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Title: James Holmes was a Lunatic, not Brainwashed
Source: Unclebob's Treehouse
URL Source: [None]
Published: Jul 30, 2012
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2012-07-30 12:00:00 by Turtle
Keywords: None
Views: 10385
Comments: 106

Whenever something bad happens the Conspiracist Crackpots immediately come out of the woodwork and start hallucinating. Holmes was brainwashed. He had a chip in his head. It was a false flag operation.

It’s all bullshit. Brainwashing doesn’t exist, contrary to those with the vapors.

The retired psychiatrist James Gilligan spend 35 years dealing with thousands of murderers, trying to find out what they did what they did. Every time what he heard was, “He dissed me [my wife, girlfriend, parents, friends, children] so I killed him.”

One day he realized what he was hearing was the story of Cain and Abel – a story thousands of years old that explained why people murdered other people. Cain murdered Abel because he was rejected, humiliated, insulted, shamed. He blamed it on his brother and murdered him.

Murder is about the desire for revenge, to replace shame with pride.

Holmes was a complete loser with women. He was consistently rejected by them. I doubt he had even kissed a woman, just like the Korean shooter in Virginia who murdered some 30 people.

Holmes had been on a sex site trying to find women, and was rejected by every one of them.

Additionally, he was mentally ill, apparently from schizophrenia. On TV I saw his eyes wandering. That’s a side effect of psychiatric drugs (I don’t call it medication) and one of the main side effects of these drugs is increases in murder/suicide.

I doubt Holmes even remembers what he did.

A schizophrenia on murder/suicide “medication,” a loner/loser rejected by women, who was just kicked out of school…he was sending out red flags all over the place.

The Conspiracist Crackpots, because they are deluded, can’t see the truth in front of their eyes. Unfortunately, they’ll never change their minds. Believing is non-existent conspiracies is just too much fun.

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#67. To: PSUSA2 (#61)

You see Christianity as the result of an ancient world wide conspiracy to control mankind. I tend to agree with you on that, more or less.

Yet you see no conspiracy in the worship of the devil, often times fueled with mind altering drugs, wanton sex, and animal sacrifice. You even claim such things don't happen or even exist.

My point is that there ARE conspiracies of all types and scope. The facts concerning Holmes don't support the supposition that he was the lone shooter, and they point towards the strong possibility he was purposely driven mad by those he trusted.

There ARE those in this world which would do such a thing, and THEY are most likely involved and/or possessed by pure evil, motivated by greed and lust for power.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   16:44:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#68. To: Turtle, HOUNDDAWG (#66)

However, brainwashing does not exist.

And how do you KNOW this to be true Turtle? Your "gut feeling"?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   16:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#69. To: PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#60)

Remember corexit and how we were all doomed Doomed DOOMED!!!

Remember fukushima and how we should at least be bald by now, if not dead?

You exaggerate for effect without citing sources. Who made the statements?

And, there's this:

April 12, 2012 08:00 AM

Gulf Coast Fishermen: 'Everything is Dead'

The Fukushima disaster is far from over.

Of course if (G_d forbid) inexplicable cancers suddenly strike your loved ones you'll blame anything but radiation because your religious beliefs (state worship) must remain sacrosanct.

And, only someone who is trying to insulate himself from frightening truths would suggest that the deaths from either disasters must be immediate to be attributable to the whore you are pimping for.

And the fact that the only issue of concern to you is govt's plausible deniability is evidence of your 98 lb weakling agenda.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2012-07-31   16:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#70. To: FormerLurker (#65)

You may be able to convince yourself that's what satanism is about, but you won't convince me of it. It's not called SATANism because of flowery ideas and concepts involving self exploration, it's called that because its adherents believe in a devil like being named satan, whom they worship.

If you accept the xianity definition, then you're right.

But as for me, they're just a little biased. Just a little...

"Satan" is a title, not a name. Do you know what it means?

How about the root definition of "worship"? Hint: It doesn't mean groveling.

That's why they call him master.

lol. Really? I can't imagine a Satanist doing that. But we Satanists are an eclectic bunch, so who knows.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   16:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#71. To: Turtle (#66)

...brainwashing does not exist.

But, talk radio is a poor source upon which to rely.

And if you "don't know what it is but you do know what it ain't" then how do your views differ from those of ordinary bigots, fanatics, simpletons and stupids of every stripe?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2012-07-31   16:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#72. To: Dead Culture Watch (#64)

Welcome!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2012-07-31   16:55:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#73. To: HOUNDDAWG (#69)

Of course if (G_d forbid) inexplicable cancers suddenly strike your loved ones you'll blame anything but radiation because your religious beliefs (state worship) must remain sacrosanct.

Yes, let us now sing "god bless america, I bend over for thee". Please rise.

And, only someone who is trying to insulate himself from frightening truths would suggest that the deaths from either disasters must be immediate to be attributable to the whore you are pimping for.

A half and half, $200! BJ for $50!

Silly me. I thought the topic was about Holmes. I guess that a person is either all in, and believes every conspiracy, or he folds and worships the state.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   16:56:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#74. To: PSUSA2 (#70)

"Satan" is a title, not a name. Do you know what it means?

It is the Judeo/Christian name of the devil. The devil has been described in detail by various cultures, including those outside of the Abrahamic religions.

lol. Really? I can't imagine a Satanist doing that. But we Satanists are an eclectic bunch, so who knows.

I guess you've never listened to heavy metal much. Not that ALL heavy metal is satanic, but a lot of it is...

Lyrics: 

End of passion play 
Crumbling away 
I'm your source of self-destruction 


Veins that pump with fear 
Sucking darkest clear 
Leading on your death's construction 


Taste me you will see 
More is all you need 
Dedicated to 
How I'm killing you 


Come crawling faster 
Obey your master 
Your life burns faster 
Obey your master 
Master 


Master of puppets 
I'm pulling your strings 
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams 


Blinded by me 
You can't see a thing 
Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 


Master 
Master 


Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 
Master 
Master 


Needlework the way 
Never you betray 
Life of death becoming clearer 


Pain monopoly 
Ritual misery 
Chop your breakfast on a mirror 


Taste me you will see 
More is all you need 
Dedicated to 
How I'm killing you 


Come crawling faster 
Obey your master 
Your life burns faster 
Obey your master 
Master 


Master of puppets 
I'm pulling your strings 
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams 
[ Lyrics from: 
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/metallica/master+of+puppets_20092140.html ]
 Blinded by me 
You can't see a thing 
Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 


Master 
Master 


Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 
Master 
Master, master, master, master... 


(Bridge) 


(1st solo - James) 


Master, master 
Where's the dreams that I've been after? 


Master, master 
Promised only lies 


Laughter, laughter 
All I hear or see is laughter 


Laughter, laughter 
Laughing at my cries 


FIX ME! 


(2nd solo - Kirk) 


Hell is worth all that 
Natural habitat 
Just a rhyme without a reason 


Never-ending maze 
Drift on numbered days 
Now your life is out of season 


I will occupy 
I will help you die 
I will run through you 
Now I rule you too 


Come crawling faster 
Obey your master 
Your life burns faster 
Obey your master 


Master 


Master of puppets 
I'm pulling your strings 
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams 


Blinded by me 
You can't see a thing 
Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 


Master 
Master 


Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 
Master 
Master

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   16:59:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#75. To: FormerLurker (#67)

You see Christianity as the result of an ancient world wide conspiracy to control mankind. I tend to agree with you on that, more or less.

Not just xianity.

Yet you see no conspiracy in the worship of the devil, often times fueled with mind altering drugs, wanton sex, and animal sacrifice. You even claim such things don't happen or even exist.

I dont recall ever claiming that.

Drugs? Some do.

Sex? Sure. that too. For some odd reason, sex is popular. With everyone.

Animal Sacrifice? Ask the kikes about that one.

My point is that there ARE conspiracies of all types and scope.

Agreed.

And somehow that conclusion has already been reached in the Holmes case. I see no reason for a trial, now.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   17:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#76. To: PSUSA2 (#75)

And somehow that conclusion has already been reached in the Holmes case. I see no reason for a trial, now.

I've not seen anything in regards to Holmes not needing a trial. Thing is, there should be a further investigation, and there apparently IS an ongoing investigation. Who knows if they'll follow through with the leads and unanswered questions.

But all known facts indicate it is highly unlikely, or even impossible, for Holmes to have acted alone.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   17:09:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#77. To: Turtle, HOUNDDAWG, FormerLurker, PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#66)

However, brainwashing does not exist.

History of MK-ULTRA. CIA program on Mind Control

Mind Control Cover-up The Secrets of Mind Control

This mind control summary is based on astonishing excerpts from three landmark books: Bluebird by Colin Ross, MD; Mind Controllers by Armen Victorian; and A Nation Betrayed by Carol Rutz. The authors provide hundreds of footnotes to support their thorough research. This revealing information is based on 18,000 pages of declassified CIA mind control documents. To order these key documents from the U.S. government, click here. Join in powerfully building a better world for all by spreading the word

A declassified CIA document dated 7 Jan 1953 [1] describes the creation of multiple personality in 19-year old girls. "These subjects have clearly demonstrated that they can pass from a fully awake state to a deep H [hypnotic] controlled state ... by telephone, by receiving written matter, or by the use of code, signal, or words and that control of those hypnotized can be passed from one individual to another without great difficulty. It has also been shown by experimentation with these girls that they can act as unwilling couriers for information purposes."

The CIA Mind Control Projects

A CIA document dated 10 Feb 1954 [4] describes an experiment on the creation of unsuspecting assassins: "Miss [deleted] was then instructed (having expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss [deleted] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing this, she would pick up a pistol and fire it at Miss [deleted]. She was instructed that she would not hesitate to "kill." Miss [deleted] carried out these suggestions including firing the (unloaded) gun at [deleted]. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened. Miss [deleted] expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened." BB 36, 37

327 CIA mind-control victims win cash claims

HUNDREDS of mentally ill patients who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments by a Scottish doctor could be entitled to compensation

Doctor Ewan Cameron, who became one of the world’s leading psychiatrists, developed techniques used by Nazi scientists to wipe out the existing personalities of people in his care.

Cameron, who graduated from Glasgow University, was recruited by the CIA during the cold war while working at McGill University in Montreal, Canada.

He carried out mind-control experiments using drugs such as LSD on hundreds of patients, but only 77 of them were awarded compensation.

Now a landmark ruling by a Federal Court judge in Montreal will allow more than 250 former patients, whose claims were rejected, to seek compensation.

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Yeah....I guess these hundreds of mind control victims who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments are just a bunch of "kooks"?

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-07-31   17:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#78. To: PSUSA2 (#75)

Animal Sacrifice? Ask the kikes about that one.

The Jews used to do that milennia ago. Thing is, I don't think they tortured little kittens and puppies to death, as I've heard and read about in regards to satanic cults.

As far as sex, I don't think the Jews performed rituals while copulating with young boys and girls, invoking their "master" and his demons.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   17:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#79. To: Bill D Berger, Turtle (#77)

Yeah....I guess these hundreds of mind control victims who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments are just a bunch of "kooks"?

Maybe Turtle will claim they don't exist.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   17:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#80. To: Turtle, HOUNDDAWG, FormerLurker, PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#77)

The Manchurian Veterans

They Were Expendable

In 1953, President Dwight Eisenhower's Secretary of Defense Charles E. Wilson authorized scientific experimentation on active duty military members in a document now infamously known as the Wilson Memo.

Between 1954 and 1975, more than seven thousand Army and Air Force personnel are thought to have participated in Sidney Gottlieb's mind control program.

Many of these veterans have sought compensation for the physical and psychological damage they suffered at the hands of Gottlieb and his assistants, but to date the government has balked at honoring their claims.In 2001, President Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen awarded yet another contract to the IOM to locate the Edgewood veterans and other subjects of DoD chemical testing. In a 2003 article published in Military Medicine , the IOM reported that it had conducted a survey of 4,002 Edgewood veterans. But this report focused on subjects of Sarin and other chemical weapon experiments, not specifically on the MK-ULTRA mind control program subjects.

Further confusing the issue was a 2004 Government Accounting Office (GAO) report titled Chemical and Biological Defense: DOD Needs to Continue to Collect and Provide Information on Tests and Potentially Exposed Personnel. The report covered veteran test subjects in a chemical and biological test program known as "Project 112," but also addressed a Department of Defense mandate to investigate all other human test projects conducted since World War II.

The report stated that Army documents identified over seven thousand Army and Air Force personnel who participated in these "other tests" conducted at Edgewood and elsewhere, but didn't specifically break out which of these test veterans were involved in Gottlieb's mind control experiments.

It also said the GAO had concluded that, "the scope and the magnitude of tests involving human subjects was not available, and the exact number of human subjects might never be known." *

Shocking Videos of LSD and MKULTRA Experiments on Citizens

The purpose of the project was outlined in a memo dated January 1952 that stated, “Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?”

Project Bluebird researchers experimented with a wide variety of psychoactive substances, including LSD, heroin, marijuana, cocaine, PCP, mescaline, and ether. Thousands of military personal were dosed and experimented upon, and it is believed that many civilians were also used.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-07-31   17:14:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#81. To: FormerLurker (#79)

Maybe Turtle will claim they don't exist.

I wouldn't be surprised.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-07-31   17:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#82. To: FormerLurker, Bill D Berger, Turtle, HOUNDDAWG, PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#74)

Satanism is a kind of rot.

Is it not??

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-07-31   17:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#83. To: randge (#82)

It's a symptom of a sick and deranged society.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   18:10:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#84. To: Bill D Berger (#80)

Was Holmes one of them?

Some have already reached that conclusion. How, I don't know. Unless it already fits into their own preconceived ideas, making proof superfluous.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   18:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#85. To: randge (#82)

To be fair though, I think that song was about drugs, namely heroin and cocaine. BUT, it was performed in a way where it could be taken several ways, and I'd wager that most people just hear MASTER, MASTER, and something about obeying him.

Members of the audience flash the "horns", and I'd bet some of them DO "get into satan".

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   18:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#86. To: PSUSA2, Bill D Berger (#84)

Was Holmes one of them?

Some have already reached that conclusion. How, I don't know

And then some people have already reached the conclusion that he wasn't, although past history and known facts indicate otherwise.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   18:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#87. To: FormerLurker (#86)

And then some people have already reached the conclusion that he wasn't, although past history and known facts indicate otherwise.

One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act.

I guess mass murders were unknown until there was a MK-ULTRA. Or, a devil to blame. There's always some outside cause, right? Personal responsibility is so passe...

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   18:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#88. To: PSUSA2 (#84)

Was Holmes one of them?

Some have already reached that conclusion.

The evidence certainly does indicate that.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-07-31   18:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#89. To: PSUSA2 (#87)

One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act.

He certainly MIGHT be a mass murderer if it was in fact him who was in that theater shooting people up. Although he most likely was NOT the ONLY shooter in that theater due to various eyewitness reports of multiple shooters, or of another person taking a cell phone call by the fire exit and propping the door open.

His intelligence would have called for a better plan than simply waiting outside the door for the cops to arrest him, even if he was in fact insane.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   19:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#90. To: PSUSA2 (#87)

One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act.

I guess mass murders were unknown until there was a MK-ULTRA. Or, a devil to blame. There's always some outside cause, right? Personal responsibility is so passe...

So what then? You are pious enough to pass judgement on the dude without all the details because getting to know him and his family is too much for you?

What fucking shit head.

Some fucking people I swear , you could read about the little fucker, his dad, his grand dad who they are and what they do but no.. that is asking too much of the likes of you.. you who would just shrug your shoulders and put a bullet in him.... Never fucking mind that others could be made to do this shit... never mind more sons ov bitches were involved no, lets just let those other guilty fucksticks go because JAMES HOLMES DID IT! TEEVEE TOLD ME SO!

For fucks sake you might as well pull your own guillotine cord.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-07-31   19:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#91. To: Bill D Berger (#88)

I guess we'll have to wait for the trial to see what the real evidence is.

Oh wait. I can see it now. If he is innocent or declared insane: The lawyers were in on it. The judge was crooked, and Illuminati to boot. It's a conspiracy. If he is guilty as charged (capital murder): The lawyers were in on it. The judge was crooked, and Illuminati to boot. It's a conspiracy.

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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   19:06:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#92. To: titorite (#90)

So what then? You are pious enough to pass judgement on the dude without all the details because getting to know him and his family is too much for you?

What fucking shit head.

Some fucking people I swear , you could read about the little fucker, his dad, his grand dad who they are and what they do but no.. that is asking too much of the likes of you.. you who would just shrug your shoulders and put a bullet in him.... Never fucking mind that others could be made to do this shit... never mind more sons ov bitches were involved no, lets just let those other guilty fucksticks go because JAMES HOLMES DID IT! TEEVEE TOLD ME SO!

For fucks sake you might as well pull your own guillotine cord.

I should frame that. It's one for the ages and should replace the Mona Lisa at that Louvre museum.

All I said was this: "One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act."

And that somehow makes me "pious" and "judgmental"? I said "one possibility" that was being "studiously ignored in some quarters".

Perhaps he needs a group hug and a candlelight vigil?

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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   19:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#93. To: PSUSA2 (#92)

All I said was this: "One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act."

INCORRECT

You said a little something more too

"I guess mass murders were unknown until there was a MK-ULTRA. Or, a devil to blame. There's always some outside cause, right? Personal responsibility is so passe... "

I guess personal responsibility is 'passe' for people like you who can't even attribute a full quote to themselves.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-07-31   19:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#94. To: FormerLurker (#89)

His intelligence would have called for a better plan than simply waiting outside the door for the cops to arrest him, even if he was in fact insane.

Which is why we have to wait and see.

You're imo trying to make sense out of something that is not logical. Anyone that thinks he's the joker in a batman movie and opens fire in a theater is not going to think or act logically (as we think of logic). But there is evident premeditation re: boobytrapped apartment etc. Unless, of course, there were no boobytraps.

All I am saying is that he cannot be tried on the internet. There is too much crap out there. I don't know what he did or didn't do, and I refuse to speculate or listen to others speculation(s). But shit, that really ticked off a few people. lol they think they have it all figured out.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   19:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#95. To: titorite (#93)

And?

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   19:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#96. To: PSUSA2 (#94)

People are at least awake enough to ask the questions and refuse to accept the simple answer on sheer authority from government spokemen just because it's the easiest way to get past it and "move on".

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   19:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#97. To: Bill D Berger, 4um (#77)

I'm out of the police game for years, but I've never saw anything like these types of shootings. I'd guess when I was working more than 90% were drug related or of personal. These current nut-sacks give me a totally different "feel." I'm not sure if it's the chemical cocktails these kids are treated to as kids, or something more sinister. For sure these shootings are all exploited by the anti gunners, and that is my major concern. I have no doubt that they are coming after our weapons via our ammunition. I just placed a large order. I urge others who never plan on giving up their guns to do the same.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-31   19:51:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#98. To: FormerLurker (#96)

People are at least awake enough to ask the questions and refuse to accept the simple answer on sheer authority from government spokemen just because it's the easiest way to get past it and "move on".

Yeah, but the thing is, they think they already have the answers, to this and other things.

I'm not sure that saying "the .gov lies" is good enough. OK, they lie, and 2+2=4. What's the truth? Too many already think they have the truth. But they don't agree with each other.

It's more about beliefs and how people hang on to them for dear life. IMO beliefs should not be so permanent. They should be subject to change with new information. But that is hardly ever the case.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   20:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#99. To: PSUSA2 (#98)

I'm open minded about the Holmes case, but there are a LOT of unanswered questions surrounding it and conflicting facts. How WOULD a mind controlled assassin behave, if he had no training in firearms or explosives, but was a doctoral candidate in a neuroscience program?

Too many things don't add up, and given the history of MKULTRA and other dark projects, I would have to see it as a possible part of the picture.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   20:26:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#100. To: FormerLurker (#68)

And how do you KNOW this to be true Turtle? Your "gut feeling"?

Because there are no Brainwashed Zombies programmed for murder, although the crackpots believe there are.

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-31   20:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#101. To: Turtle (#100)

Because there are no Brainwashed Zombies programmed for murder, although the crackpots believe there are.

And how do you KNOW this Turtle? Do you work at the CIA Office of Science of Technology, and do you have a SCI Top Secret clearance?

There is enough documentation publically available to indicate such work WAS performed, and that various degrees of success were obtained.

Here's one for you. How did RFK get shot with more bullets than were in Sirhan Sirhan's gun, and why did none of those bullets match the gun he did have?

The RFK Panel

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   20:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#102. To: Turtle, FormerLurker (#100)

Because there are no Brainwashed Zombies programmed for murder,

Sirhan Sirhan and His Account of Delta Programming Mind Control

Convicted RFK assassin says girl manipulated him

Convicted assassin Sirhan Sirhan was manipulated by a seductive girl in a mind control plot to shoot Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, and his bullets did not kill the presidential candidate, lawyers for Sirhan said in new legal papers.

The documents filed this week in federal court and obtained by The Associated Press detail extensive interviews with Sirhan during the past three years, some done while he was under hypnosis.

The papers point to a mysterious girl in a polka-dot dress as the controller who led Sirhan to fire a gun in the pantry of the Ambassador Hotel. But the documents suggest a second person shot and killed Kennedy while using Sirhan as a diversion.

For the first time, Sirhan said under hypnosis that on a cue from the girl he went into “range mode” believing he was at a firing range and seeing circles with targets in front of his eyes.

“I thought that I was at the range more than I was actually shooting at any person, let alone Bobby Kennedy,” Sirhan was quoted as saying during interviews with Daniel Brown, a Harvard University professor and expert in trauma memory and hypnosis. He interviewed Sirhan for 60 hours with and without hypnosis, according to the legal brief.

The "Manchurian Candidate": Lee Harvey Oswald?

Declassified memos and investigative reporting by various sources have taught us a great deal over the past 40 years of how involuntary operatives could be cleverly "programmed" by the CIA as apparent communist sympathizers to infiltrate and disrupt communist organizations. (We now know that during the 1960s scores of phony leftists were used by the CIA and FBI to infiltrate and discredit organizations through violent behavior in infamous programs such as COINTELPRO.) We have also learned how supposed "lone-nut" Lee Harvey Oswald's seemingly irrational behavior actually complemented such espionage programs:

* His defection to the Soviet Union was secretly handled by the CIA as a counterintelligence mission and mirrored an elaborately staged defection involving another low-level American soldier (with a similar background) that began the very same year Oswald's did.

* Following his return to the U.S., Oswald leveraged his defector credentials to play the role of pro-Castro activist while constantly surrounded by anti-communists with links to the intelligence world.

-- His best friend in Dallas was a wealthy White Russian with ties to the CIA and the address of future CIA Director George Bush in his wallet.

-- After moving to New Orleans, Oswald formed an unauthorized chapter of a Castro-friendly group targeted by the CIA and handed out pro-Castro leaflets printed with the office address of an FBI anti-communist expert.

-- Future "lone-nut assassin" and pro-Castro activist Oswald even met with one of the CIA's anti-Castro assassins in New Orleans, while under both CIA and FBI surveillance (NYT, 1993).

* Oswald's supposed pro-communist behavior fit the profile of a hypnotized anti-Communist infiltrator as detailed in declassified documents from his era. Military hypnotist George Estabrooks even bragged of carrying out an operation employing a brainwashed Marine who was hypno-programmed with a pro-communist personality so he could be prematurely discharged from the service as a fake defector and then used in an anti-communist intelligence operation. Further, he claimed his hypnosis technique had been used to create assassins.

MIND CONTROL: WAS NORWAY SHOOTER AN MK-ULTRA MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE?

Breivik’s profile, and Hollywood extra photos were already on the news desks of editors within minutes of his apprehension, and if that’s not strange enough, allegedly, also, the arresting police already knew his name. This point was brought up by Channel 4 anchorman Jon Snow, who raised this oddity in a tweet, “What we don’t know is how the police knew the terrorist’s name before they arrested him”.

Other uncertainties will fester, and these are mostly fundamental forensic issues we face in a digital age. There is no evidence that Anders Breivik is author Andrew Berwick, or that he had anything to do with writing the so-called digital PDF “Manifesto” which, mind you, despite all of its twisted content, it is written in flawless English (not in Norwegian), which indicates an academic or professional English editor.

Additionally, the “Marxist Hunter” badge visible in his now famous Amphibious Combat action shot has been Photoshopped into the picture by persons unknown. As we have pointed out, we still don’t know where all of these photos came from and how they were delivered to the media.

Oklahoma bomber McVeigh was Mind Controlled

Oklahoma bomber McVeigh was Mind Controlled

Friday, 30 December 2011 23:44

"According to the government/mass media, a 4800 ANFO (Ammonium Nitrate plus Fuel Oil) bomb placed inside a rented Ryder truck parked approximately 20/30 feet from the federal building exploded at 9.02am, April 19, 1995. The bomb killed 168 people as well as injuring over 500 others. The ANFO bomb demolished at least 25% of the Murrah building and caused varying degrees of damage to a further 270 buildings in the immediate vicinity of the bomb." Timothy McVeigh was sentenced to death and executed June 11, 2001. He was totally innocent, because he was mind-controlled.

"Dr. Louis Jolyon West was an expert on brainwashing and mind control. According to Gunderson, Dr. West visited Timothy McVeigh in jail many times. Furthermore, Timothy McVeigh wrote a letter to his sister saying he was selected to be a assassin for the CIA."

At the age of 29 West was appointed Head of the Department of Psychiatry, Neurology and Biobehavioral Sciences at the University of Oklahoma School of Medicine. The establishment also allowed CIA programmer Dr. Louis Joyon "Jolly" West to examine Jack Ruby in his jail cell. He was the killer of the JFK murder patsy Lee Harvey Oswald, also CIA mind-controlled.

"A new documentary, A Noble Lie, has been released regarding the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19, 1995, which shows with copious evidence that the bombing was not the act of one man, Timothy McVeigh, but that McVeigh was but a mind-controlled patsy for sinister forces within the U.S. government who wanted to use that event as a pretext to finally pass Bill Clinton's Anti-Terrorism bill, which would not have passed without something of that magnitude to spur it."

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-07-31   20:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#103. To: Bill D Berger (#102) (Edited)

Sirhan Sirhan and His Account of Delta Programming Mind Control

Great minds think alike, or so I've heard...

Not talking about Sirhan Sirhan here in case there's any confusion on the part of Turtle and his flock.

But the RFK assassination certainly sheds light on what we're both talking about.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   22:57:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#104. To: Bill D Berger (#102) (Edited)

Let's not forget Unibomber Ted who volunteered for the CIA mind bending........

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-08-01   0:24:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#105. To: Turtle (#51)

Only nuts believe

That the USS Maine wasn't attacked by a dastardly enemy but instead had a malfunction that caused her to sink.....and caused this nation to go to war.

That the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was a valid reason to lead this nation to war in Vietnam.

That the USS Liberty was gunned down on accident.

That Operation Northwoods would never happen.

That asbestos is safe for the public.

That the Iran Contra Affair was just a misunderstanding.

That the CIA wasn't running drugs into LA and across this nation.

That the CIA hasn't been assassinating people since inception.

That Chemtrails are just contrails that fail to dissipate as instructed.

And that's just the tip of the ice burg on what a nut believes.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-08-01   0:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#106. To: FormerLurker (#99)

I'm open minded about the Holmes case, but there are a LOT of unanswered questions surrounding it and conflicting facts. How WOULD a mind controlled assassin behave, if he had no training in firearms or explosives, but was a doctoral candidate in a neuroscience program?

Agreed.

But it looks like some have the answers to those many unanswered questions.

I don't know much about explosives, but being the owner of more than one AR, They're not hard to figure out.

There used to be a board called roguesci that had information on how to make explosives and other interesting things. They were pro and amateur chemists, and they ran that board with an iron fist. One typo and they banned people, and that was for safety reasons. And because I''m not a chemist, much of it was way over my head. But since the shooter was probably familiar with chemistry, he'd be able to do that.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-08-01   11:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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