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Title: NO SUCH THING AS CONSPIRACY? here's "honest shecky" LINCOLN!
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Frank Conner via "El Puppy Poquito"
URL Source: http://www.iahushua.com/hist/lincoln.html
Published: Aug 1, 2012
Author: Rebbe HOUNDDAWG Q. Schwartz, DIAMONDS UN
Post Date: 2012-08-01 09:21:54 by HOUNDDAWG
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If you read Lincoln's first inaugural address with any care at all, you'll see that it was simply a declaration of war against the South. It was also filled with lies and specious reasoning. In 1861, the official government-charter for the U.S. was the U.S. Constitution. In writing it, the delegates to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 (some of the most-canny politicians in the country) had pointedly omitted from it the "perpetual union" clause which had been a main feature of the unworkable Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union--the U.S.-government charter which had preceded the Constitution. Under the Articles, no state could secede lawfully unless all states seceded simultaneously. But the Constitution--which Lincoln had just taken an oath to uphold--did not contain that clause (or any other like it); so any state could secede lawfully at any time. And the Southern states did secede lawfully. Honest Abe flat-out lied when he said that was not so in his inaugural address; and he subsequently used his blatant lie to slaughter 623,000 Americans and Confederates--primarily in order to perpetuate himself in political office. Lincoln had said he would go to war to "preserve the Union." But in order to start the war, he would somehow have to maneuver the South into firing the first shots, because Congress did not want war and would not declare war of its own volition. The most-likely hot-spot in which Lincoln could start his war was Charleston Harbor, where shots had already been fired in anger under the Buchanan administration. But the newly-elected governor of South Carolina, Francis Pickens, saw the danger--that Lincoln might, as an excuse, send a force of U.S. Navy warships to Charleston Harbor supposedly to bring food to Maj Anderson's Union force holed up in Fort Sumter. So Gov Pickens opened negotiations with Maj Anderson, and concluded a deal permitting Anderson to send boats safely to the market in Charleston once a week, where Anderson's men would be allowed to buy whatever victuals they wished. (This arrangement remained in effect until a day or so before the U.S. Navy warships arrived at Charleston). Maj Anderson wrote privately to friends, saying that he hoped Lincoln would not use Fort Sumter as the excuse to start a war, by sending the U.S. Navy to resupply it. Before his inauguration, Lincoln sent a secret message to Gen Winfield Scott, the U.S. general-in-chief, asking him to make preparations to relieve the Union forts in the South soon after Lincoln took office. Lincoln knew all along what he was going to do. President Jefferson Davis sent peace commissioners to Washington to negotiate a treaty with the Lincoln administration. Lincoln refused to meet with them; and he refused to permit Secretary of State Seward to meet with them. After Lincoln assumed the presidency, his principal generals recommended the immediate evacuation of Maj Anderson's men from Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor--which was now located on foreign soil. To resupply it by force at this point would be a deliberate act-of-war against the C.S.A. It turned out that Lincoln's postmaster general, Montgomery Blair, had a brother-in law, Gustavus V. Fox, who was a retired Navy-captain and wanted to get back into action. Fox had come up with a plan for resupplying Fort Sumter which would force the Confederates to fire the first shots--under circumstances which would make them take the blame for the war. Lincoln sent Fox down to Fort Sumter to talk with Maj Anderson about the plan; but Anderson wanted no part of it. Lincoln had Fox pitch the plan to his Cabinet twice. The first time, the majority said that Fox's plan would start a war and were unenthusiastic about it. But the second time, the Cabinet members got Lincoln's pointed message, and capitulated. Meanwhile, Congress got wind of the plan. Horrified, they called Gen Scott and others to testify about it; Scott and the other witnesses said they wanted no part of the move against the Confederacy in Charleston; and nor did Congress. Congress demanded from Lincoln--as was Congress's right--Fox's report on Maj Anderson's reaction to the plan. Lincoln flatly and unconstitutionally refused to hand it over to them. Lincoln sent to Secretary Cameron (for transmittal to Secretary Welles) orders in his own handwriting (!) to make the warships Pocahantas and Pawnee and the armed-cutter Harriet Lane ready for sailing, along with the passenger ship Baltic--which would be used as a troop ship, and two ocean-going tugboats to aid the ships in traversing the tricky shallow harbor-entrance at Charleston. This naval force was to transport 500 extra Union-soldiers to reinforce Maj Anderson's approximately-86-man force at Fort Sumter--along with huge quantities of munitions, food, and other supplies. The Confederacy would, of course, resist this invasion--in the process firing upon the U.S. flag. The unarmed tugs would, of necessity, enter the harbor first, whereupon they would likely be fired upon by the C.S.A., giving Lincoln the best-possible propaganda to feed to the Northern newspapers, which would then rally the North to his "cause." Lincoln sent orders for the Union naval-force to time its sailing so as to enter Charleston Harbor on 11 or 12 April. Next, Lincoln sent a courier to deliver an ultimatum to Gov Pickens on 8 April, saying that Lincoln intended to resupply Fort Sumter peaceably or by force. There was no mistaking the intent of that message. Lincoln had set the perfect trap. He had given President Davis just enough time to amass his forces and fire upon the U.S. Navy. But if Davis acquiesced instead, Lincoln need merely begin sending expeditionary forces to recapture all of the former Union-forts in the South now occupied by Confederate forces; sooner or later Davis would have to fight; and the more forts he allowed Lincoln to recapture in the interim, the weaker would be the military position of the C.S.A. As a practical matter, Davis was left with no choice. Accordingly, the C.S.A., when informed that the U.S. Navy was en route, demanded that Maj Anderson surrender the fort forthwith. Anderson refused; Beauregard's artillery bombarded Fort Sumter into junk (miraculously without loss of life during the bombardment); and Anderson then surrendered with honor intact. The U.S. Navy arrived during the bombardment--but because elements of the force had been delayed for various reasons, did not join in the fight. The Navy was allowed to transport Anderson's men back to the U.S. Thereafter Lincoln wrote to Fox, pronouncing the mission a great success. Lincoln ended his letter by saying, "You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Fort Sumter, even if it should fail; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result." Folks, that ought to be plain enough for anybody to understand. Poster Comment: Now, if we're to accept the childish assertion that "conspiracies don't exist" we must decide at which point after "honest shecky" Lincoln's "suicide" the govt metamorphosed into an unflaggingly honest and ethical entity and so many Americans became unnaturally evil, trying to smear govt with false accusations of involvement in many horrible acts against the rights of people. Either way Mary Surratt, the first woman executed by NewFedGov Bank, Inc. was wrongfully hanged by a military tribunal that conspired to wrench jurisdiction over her and other civilians away during peace time, constitutionally guaranteed rights notwithstanding. And if real conspiracies don't exist (although the tribunal believed they did, at least in the death of the president) she could not have planned with others the assassinations of Lincoln, Johnson, and Seward. In my opinion: The "pious perverts" here at 4 have made such ridiculous assertions that the possibility of the members simply being politically naive "does not exist". When honest but uninformed people are confronted with the truth they either stop being uninformed or they stop being honest. I personally believe that those to whom I'm alluding were neither honest or uninformed before they were confronted with truths that directly refute their Pollyanna propaganda about "The Honest US Government-Clean Hands And Clean Drawers Just Like Mom Always Insisted On For Those Sudden Unexpected Hospital Visits!". (FROM THE MR. ROGERS BOOK ON ETHICAL GOVERNMENT IN PRACTICE) The fact that congress has compelling proof of conspiracies within and without the govt is evidenced by the laws they passed, e.g. those to bind the CIA from murdering civilians and foreign heads of state. Any who believe or, who expect us to believe that "conspiracies don't exist" when congress knows damned well that they do cannot explain how congress could pass criminal statutes and penalties proscribing conspiracies, unless congress is engaging in an ongoing conspiracy to punish acts that simply do not take place, just as the aforementioned military tribunal did. Either way, the proof of existence of conspiracies, specifically govt conspiracies is manifest and indisputable. And, even the most absurd posts we've seen here inadvertently support the existence of conspiracies by govt. Hollywood regularly treats the viewing public to films about govt conspiracies, such as Executive Action, Three Days of the Condor, Enemy Of The State and The Hunt For Red October. If we're expected to believe that the films (in which known details are amazingly accurate) simply manufacture the criminal misdeeds of govt then it would seem unlikely that that the US Armed Forces would ever cooperate in the making of such films (no more submarines, flattops or specialized weapons on loan) and no honorable vet would ever lend his name to the credits as "technical adviser" any more than they'd assist with a film by The Communist Party USA. And, if Hollywood was so vile as to criminally misrepresent the govt in virtually every such film would Hollywood have the special permits required to possess working machine guns, rocket launchers and state of the art weapons and electronics that only the military may legally possess? If commies or militant Muslims decide to start a film company to undermine the US Govt with vicious lies (and no Tom Clancy-type authors upon whom to rely) would they be issued such permits? Former Navy SEALs "Dick" Marcinko and Jesse Ventura would bust guts "laffing" at our silly little girl dilettantes' assertions that all conspiracies should be dismissed until the entire govt confesses and demands to be executed, and then only after their supporters here at 4 have had a chance to float a trial balloon about "massive psychosis" afflicting every self confessed conspirator. HAH! "I'd let the govt wrongfully prosecute my Mommy and send her to Gitmo before admitting that I'm wrong!"_Turdle Limpet. _____________________________________________ "ARE THOSE DIAMONDS IN YOUR POCKET OR ARE YOU HAPPY TO SEE ME?" Rebbe HOUNDDAWG Q. Schwartz, DIAMONDS UNLIMITED, LLC
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#4. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
LOL! That's the sort of laugh that will linger, spontaneously springing forth giggles over and over again throughout the day. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
lol....no need to steal Turtle's thunder. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I'm immune to ad hominem insults, although I suspect some of the people here don't know what "ad hominem" means. Or post hoc, ergo propter hoc, for that matter. I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
bluegrass once said truthers are annoying They are. :/ Our white sons are sent to war against non-whites who have done us no harm, and this is not called crime; I thought Honest Abe Lincoln went to war to free the human farm implements Way Down South?? ;-) Oh, I'm IN for the ensuing hilarity and 65-pages of drama/crying fits/hurled expletives that's sure to follow ;-) "I'd let the govt wrongfully prosecute my Mommy and send her to Gitmo before admitting that I'm wrong!"_Turdle Limpet.
#5. To: PSUSA2, Turtle (#2)
I am assuming that you are also "alluding" to me,
#6. To: abraxas (#5)
ol....no need to steal Turtle's thunder.
#7. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
at home, non-white criminals prey upon our wives and daughters and this is not called war.
#8. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
-Alex Kurtagic
#9. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
The Synagogue of Satan 1821-1875 "...1861 One month after the inauguration of President Abraham Lincoln (16th President of the United States from 1860 till his assassination in 1865), the American Civil War gets underway at Fort Sumter, South Carolina, after South Carolina leaves the Union. Slavery has always been cited as the cause of the war but this was simply not the case, as President Lincoln himself stated, “I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the state where it now exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so...My paramount objective is to save the Union and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it.” The real reason for the war is that the Southern States were in a dire economic situation due to the actions of the Northern States. Northern industrialists had used trade tariffs to prevent the Southern States from buying cheaper European goods. Europe subsequently retaliated by stopping cotton imports from the South. Thus the South had been forced to pay more for goods whilst having their income slashed. This is when the money changers saw the opportunity to divide and conquer America by plunging it into Civil War. This is confirmed by Otto Von Bismarck when he was Chancellor of Germany (1871 - 1890), who stated the following in 1876, “The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe, these bankers were afraid that the United States if they remained as one block and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence which would upset their financial domination over the world. The voice of the Rothschilds’ predominated. They foresaw the tremendous booty if they could substitute two feeble democracies, indebted to the financiers, to the vigorous Republic, confident and self-providing. Therefore they started their emissaries in order to exploit the question of slavery and thus dig an abyss between the two parts of the Republic.”...." http://www.iamthewitness.com/boo...ue.of.Satan/1821-1875.htm Thomas J. DiLorenzo: The Truth About the 14th Amendment "...On January 22, 1861, the New York Times announced that slavery would indeed be a "very tolerable system" if only slaves were allowed to legally marry, be taught to read, and to invest their savings. In short, the cartoonish notion that the Republican party was so incensed over racial discrimination in the South after the war that, in a fit of moral outrage, it trashed all constitutional precepts to dictatorially adopt the Fourteenth Amendment, should not be taken seriously. As Alexis de Tocqueville wrote in Democracy in America, it was obvious to all that racial prejudice was stronger in the North than it was in the South. "The prejudice of race," wrote Tocqueville, "appears to be stronger in the states that have abolished slavery than in those where it still exists." If the Republican party was so sensitive about racial discrimination in the post-war era it would not have sent General Sherman out west just three months after the war ended to commence a campaign of genocide against the Plains Indians. The very same army that had recently conquered and occupied the Southern states — led by Generals Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan — mass murdered Indian men, women, and children during the winters, when families would be together, with massive Gatling gun and artillery fire. In a letter to his son a year before he died (1889), Sherman expressed his regret that his armies did not murder every last Indian in North America. The Fourteenth Amendment has had precisely the effect that its nineteenth-century Republican party supporters intended it to have: it has greatly centralized power in Washington, D.C., and has subjected Americans to the kind of judicial tyranny that Thomas Jefferson warned about when he described federal judges as those who would be "constantly working underground to undermine the foundations of our confederated fabric." It's time for all Americans to reexamine the official history of the "Civil War" and its aftermath as taught by paid government propagandists in the "public" schools for the past 135 years." www.constitution.org/14ll/truth_14th.htm 14th Amendment Truth: YOU ARE REALLY A SLAVE - YouTube conspiracy? what conspiracy??
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"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#10. To: GreyLmist (#1)
I thought that, too. I can't find the film ON DEMAND or anywhere else in the movie listings. All the more interesting now that you've made the observation as well. Thank you my friend. Seems they made Three Days of the Condor scarce after 9/11.
#11. To: PSUSA2, Turtle (#2)
Well then, you've separated yourself from Turdle, who most certainly did say that in post #36. In fact he takes a sadistic glee in insulting others' intelligence while proudly demonstrating his logic deficit. Such wild eyed assertions that dismiss any suspicion of a govt that has amply demonstrated its capacity for evil are a religious belief. And I for one will not allow anyone to browbeat me with such nonsense. Now the most famous sniper in US history, Carlos Hathcock was asked by the FBI to set up a simulation of the JFK murder and to fire 3 shots in six seconds using Oswald's rifle. Gunny Hathcock concluded that "it couldn't be done". (Hathcock confirmed this to me on the telephone) Needless to say, the results of the best simulation of the assassination that did not support The Warren Commission fairy tale simply wasn't newsworthy. Instead we were treated to a "news broadcast" of Oswald's brother (who proudly trumpets his belief in his brother's guilt) firing a slick, tight and smooth Weatherby Vanguard rifle while aiming at and hitting nothing, and the "reporter" concluded that it was indeed possible to fire three rounds in six seconds. There wasn't even a target set up for this "demonstration", as if the whole case simply hinged on any rifle firing that fast without targeting a moving president. Now, I ask you, just what kind of stupids see that and then pronounce Oswald guilty and the rest of us crazy? Why, the Turdles among us of course. I don't know anyone that has ever written that "conspiracies do not exist". That's like saying the sun doesn't exist.
#12. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
Indeed it is my friend. Frank Conner and Thomas Di Lorenzo have done a great service to us all by dismantling the "Angel Lincoln myth". Excellent article.
#13. To: abraxas (#4)
LOL! That's the sort of laugh that will linger, spontaneously springing forth giggles over and over again throughout the day. : ) Thanks my friend. "I'd let the govt wrongfully prosecute my Mommy and send her to Gitmo before admitting that I'm wrong!"_Turdle Limpet.
#14. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#7) (Edited)
They are. :/ Although I can't speak for him, I know that he never disputed any assertion that joos were behind it all. He has no patience with those who tippy toe around the elephant in the room. bluegrass once said truthers are annoying
#15. To: X-15 (#8) (Edited)
Oh, I'm IN for the ensuing hilarity and 65-pages of drama/crying fits/hurled expletives that's sure to follow ;-) Phunnie! You already know that my State Of Delaware (a Yankee state) was the last state to free slaves, AFTER THE WAR AND ONLY BECAUSE OF THE PASSAGE OF THE 13TH AMENDMENT. Our entire congressional delegation voted against the amendment and all newspapers here railed against the amendment because it "impinged on states' rights!" Well, spank my bottom and hand me to my Mama! No one can rightfully accuse Lincoln of being a darkie lover. He was more precisely, a useful tool with the instincts of a tyrant. And as a lawyer he held the concepts of morality, sovereignty and the sanctity of the law in contempt. And the only Southerner who could rightfully claim the protection of any of the aforementioned principles had to show President Lincoln that a Minie ball would bounce off his chest. I thought Honest Abe Lincoln went to war to free the human farm implements Way Down South?? ;-)
#16. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, christine (#9)
Outstanding contribution! Thank you from the bottom of my shrunken black Grinch heart!
#17. To: Turtle (#6)
Oh that was none of that.... For the one in question to be immune to the words accused...well... They would have to be a retarded, cowardly, or lying about the affront. ad hominem" means. Or post hoc, ergo propter hoc, for that matter.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#18. To: HOUNDDAWG (#11)
That's what he said. But, I think he misspoke, from what he has written elsewhere recently. I'll let him handle this if he wants to. Such wild eyed assertions that dismiss any suspicion of a govt that has amply demonstrated its capacity for evil are a religious belief. It's LIKE a religious belief. Now, I ask you, just what kind of stupids see that and then pronounce Oswald guilty and the rest of us crazy? Why not embrace the craziness? Do you want to be accepted by the people you inherently disagree with? I don't. The thing is, it's one thing to say the government is "evil", that they lie when the truth will save them, etc. But given that they lie constantly, what then is the truth? That's where the bad blood comes from, arguing over truth. That's how I see it. I remember something about that demonstration with a nice new modern smooth action rifle. A kid can get off 3 shots in 6 seconds, and the bullet will definitely hit the ground, somewhere. There have been all sorts of phony demonstrations in what they laughingly refer to as being "documentaries". They did it with 9/11 too. Well then, you've separated yourself from Turdle, who most certainly did say that in post #36.
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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
#19. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)
Thanks for posting this, the Thomas J. DiLorenzo archives at Lew Rockwell are priceless info on the real "Honest Abe" Lincoln.
-Alex Kurtagic
#20. To: HOUNDDAWG (#14) (Edited)
Point. Jewaholics can be annoying too; I confess I've struggled myself there. Jews are enemies but are not the problem. --- I think Oswald probably wasn't the only shooter; I think Israel probably had something to do with 911. But so what? Neither probability is important. I know that he never disputed any assertion that joos were behind it all.
Our white sons are sent to war against non-whites who have done us no harm, and this is not called crime;
at home, non-white criminals prey upon our wives and daughters and this is not called war.
#21. To: HOUNDDAWG (#12)
Ask most of today's propagandized politicians who learned everything they know in a government school who their "heroes" are and the answers you will hear most often would be that damned tyrant, Abe Lincoln, and that commie bastard FDR. And it doesn't matter which ones you ask either, ALMOST ALL of them will cite those two.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi
"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken
"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance
Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
#22. To: HOUNDDAWG, GreyLmist (#10)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#23. To: James Deffenbach (#21)
How true. Lincoln and FDR demonstrated how the govt can be used to further any ideological (read: Rothschild, Rockefeller, and other banker/industrialist/philanthropist planned) changes to the nation and the lives of the people who can be made to suffer if they resist. Of course Bush and Obama have also resolved not to be "guided by the dead hand" of the founders. Ask most of today's propagandized politicians who learned everything they know in a government school who their "heroes" are and the answers you will hear most often would be that damned tyrant, Abe Lincoln, and that commie bastard FDR. And it doesn't matter which ones you ask either, ALMOST ALL of them will cite those two.
#24. To: HOUNDDAWG (#23)
Those two dumb efs couldn't be guided by hurricane force winds. The two dumbest members of the founders would be 100 times as smart as Bush and Obama and that after they've been dead all this time. Of course Bush and Obama have also resolved not to be "guided by the dead hand" of the founders.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi
"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken
"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance
Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
#25. To: wudidiz, HOUNDDAWG (#22)
Watched it and thanks for the present. :) The 1974 James Grady book is called "Six Days of the Condor." Brown & Root was one of the companies that it made brief mention of, iirc, and I think also the Committee of 300. The movie is reportedly the first time one was filmed inside a WTC tower. Three Days Of The Condor
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#26. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#10)
You're welcome, pal. Since there's discussion of the "Civil" War here, I discovered recently while researching the Slavery issue that what's also extremely scarce is info on the exact dates it was ended in each State -- likely suppressed because it would expose the brainwashing lie that only the South had slavery when the war began and during it. Several Northern states had slavery during the war years -- Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, Delaware. -- and D.C. too. As a matter of fact, there was slavery among the tribes in Alaska when we bought it from Russia circa 1868, so America had to abolish it here again then. Thank you my friend.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#27. To: GreyLmist (#25)
Great post. It's these flabbergasting little factoids that excite my conspiracy glands. Those and FDR's admonition that "Nuthin in politics be happen by accidents mah nigga!" Some deep digging Illuminati investigators also insist that the insiders are big on numerology, symbology and cryptic reference/use of places, etc.,. I also believe that they use Biblical references to 666 and such to aggravate Christian fears and/or faith in mystical, sublime and omnipotent evil. I ask myself, "Why else would some Fundies seemingly accept and welcome as inevitable The Apocalypse and the promised (where?) gas and propane tanker truck explosions as their drivers are beamed up?" Watched it and thanks for the present. :) The 1974 James Grady book is called "Six Days of the Condor." Brown & Root was one of the companies that it made brief mention of, iirc, and I think also the Committee of 300. The movie is reportedly the first time one was filmed inside a WTC tower.
#28. To: GreyLmist (#26)
Where were you when I was debating with Kool Aid drinking Lincolnites? Excellent facts about slavery in general and AK in particular. Since there's discussion of the "Civil" War here, I discovered recently while researching the Slavery issue that what's also extremely scarce is info on the exact dates it was ended in each State -- likely suppressed because it would expose the brainwashing lie that only the South had slavery when the war began and during it. Several Northern states had slavery during the war years -- Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, Delaware. -- and D.C. too. As a matter of fact, there was slavery among the tribes in Alaska when we bought it from Russia circa 1868, so America had to abolish it here again then.
#29. To: HOUNDDAWG (#27)
A nail being symbolic of the number 6 in Hebrew, I suspect the number 666 is symbolic of the three nails of the Crucifixion. Because they don't have to pay high-risk auto insurance or have their license revoked as endangering others if that's what they expect? Just a thought. I also believe that they use Biblical references to 666 and such to aggravate Christian fears and/or faith in mystical, sublime and omnipotent evil.
I ask myself, "Why else would some Fundies seemingly accept and welcome as inevitable The Apocalypse and the promised (where?) gas and propane tanker truck explosions as their drivers are beamed up?"
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#30. To: PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, Turtle (#18)
I intended to reply to this and it slipped away in the chaos. To answer your question, I won't allow others to frame the debate or characterize me or mine in ill fitting roles for their convenience. Picture a Sunday morning roundtable discussion that begins with the moderator introducing the participants thus: "One the left we have wild-eyed crazy conspiracy theorist HOUNDDAWG Q. SCHWARTZ, and on the clean living right we have the very sane, rational, logical and patriotic Alan Dershowitz, whose distinguished C.V. is too lengthy to detail. Good Morning, gentlemen. Let's begin with Mr. HOUNDDAWG. DAWG, is it true that you've stopped beating your wife and that you've never actually been CONVICTED of child molestation?" "....embrace the craziness" indeed. You're correct to assume that I have a choice, but I'm not sure that some others do. Why not embrace the craziness? Do you want to be accepted by the people you inherently disagree with? I don't.
#31. To: GreyLmist (#29)
A nail being symbolic of the number 6 in Hebrew, I suspect the number 666 is symbolic of the three nails of the Crucifixion. I'd find that easier to accept if you could cite two joos who support that belief with all three of their opinions. I also believe that they use Biblical references to 666 and such to aggravate Christian fears and/or faith in mystical, sublime and omnipotent evil.
#32. To: HOUNDDAWG (#28)
I don't know. Ping me the next time you're having a discussion on that era. Lincoln -- he copied the British manuever of offering freedom to slaves who chose to fight on their side during the Revolutionary War. Effectively, those who did were still enslaved but with the added peril of risking their lives daily. This site says: When a State moved to abolish Slavery, that didn't necessarily mean immediate abolishment of all Slavery there. I'd have to check to be sure but I think Pennsylvania is one example of gradual abolition: children freed when they reached adulthood but older slaves would not be freed. The Cherokee were the last to free their Slaves after Lincoln's War. Here's a Wikipedia reference on the Alaska Slavery issue after it was purchased from Russia: Where were you when I was debating with Kool Aid drinking Lincolnites?
With the end of the Revolutionary War and the defeat of the British, many black loyalists found themselves in a dangerous predicament. Fearing punishment and death if captured by American militiamen, many fled to New York and sought refuge with the British forces gathered there. The British partially kept their reward to many of these blacks, allowing at least 3,000 to leave with them and be resettled in Nova Scotia. The unfortunate blacks that escaped to Savannah and Charleston were allowed to evacuate with their British allies as well, who promptly resold many of them back into bondage in the Caribbean. Most of the escaped slaves however were returned as "stolen property" to their colonial American owners.
1870: U.S. abolishes slavery among Indians in Alaska after purchasing it from Russia in 1867
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#33. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)
lol :) I'll put that on my to-do list. I'd find that easier to accept if you could cite two joos who support that belief with all three of their opinions.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#34. To: HOUNDDAWG (#30)
Let me ask you this: How would SMART people react to that introduction? I mean those that are watching on the boob tube. You don't think they'll see thru the crap? IMO it shouldn't matter what the idiots think. YOu're just not going to convince them of anything, so why try? To them, you're a nut, and will always be a nut. And I personally don't want nuts for allies. The other side can have the nuts, because they are worthless. By doing what they have done in your example, they are trying to 1) frame the conversation by 2) putting you on the defensive. I don't let anyone get away with that. ANyone tries that shit with me and they will regret the day they were born. And once they were down, I'd attack even harder. But I'd be so very nice and reasonable about it, and that drives them nuts. Here's what I'd do. I'd say something like "Hmmm, so so building 7 dropped because of a little fire, like the official story claimed, and I'm the crazy one? HAHAHAHAHA!" Throw it right back in their fucking faces. But that's just me. I literally couldn't care less what they thought of me. I don't want them to like me. That is why I endorse embracing the craziness. "One the left we have wild-eyed crazy conspiracy theorist HOUNDDAWG Q. SCHWARTZ, and on the clean living right we have the very sane, rational, logical and patriotic Alan Dershowitz, whose distinguished C.V. is too lengthy to detail. Good Morning, gentlemen. Let's begin with Mr. HOUNDDAWG. DAWG, is it true that you've stopped beating your wife and that you've never actually been CONVICTED of child molestation?"
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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
#35. To: GreyLmist (#32)
Not surprising. "The White Man's Burden" had its limits after all. It certainly didn't include taking blacks back home as equals and fellow "brothers" in arms, I'm sure. The unfortunate blacks that escaped to Savannah and Charleston were allowed to evacuate with their British allies as well, who promptly resold many of them back into bondage in the Caribbean.
#36. To: PSUSA2 (#34) (Edited)
How would SMART people react to that introduction? I mean those that are watching on the boob tube. You don't think they'll see thru the crap? IMO it shouldn't matter what the idiots think. You're just not going to convince them of anything, so why try? To them, you're a nut, and will always be a nut. And I personally don't want nuts for allies. The other side can have the nuts, because they are worthless. Smart people would know that you have displeased the same people who can and will also cheerfully destroy them. And even the less gifted among us intuitively sense that if you cannot control your own reputation and good name then they too can expect ridicule if they publicly side with you. And, you may laugh off a first attempt to stereotype you. Whether or not you're put on the defensive you may never get another chance to use the mass media they control to undermine them. You simply cannot discount the incredible power of the One Eyed Non Christian and few if any that do will ever accomplish much. And your reply about bldg 7 dropping "because of a little fire" would be rebutted by a moderator who lies with something like "The govt experts said that bldg 7 was a raging inferno loaded with diesel fuel and flammable fixtures, so I ask you folks, who do you believe? This is Schmuely Guapo, Good Night." And a great idea's time will likely never come without somehow reaching the masses. Ezra Pound went from famous poet and radio broadcaster to a 13 yr mental institution inmate after trying to use the radio to awaken the masses about The Wiley Mr. Yehudi. And his life is now an object lesson for the few "smart people" who know his name. Many good men and women have tried to swim against the tide but the stress is cumulative and their missions often end badly. And those who don't crack or quit may end up like Danny Casolaro, Hunter Thompson, Gary Webb and others who allegedly committed suicide. Govt assassins just don't care if such "suicides" are even plausible. And, local authorities never give the feds any trouble lest they invite investigations into their own questionable shootings, jail hangings, assaults, custody rapes, financial mismanagement, etc.,. (Watch what happens to Sheriff Joe. He's "running around stacks o' dynamite with a blow torch") The good news is, there is no historical precedent on conquering a free people as well armed as we. The bad news is, there is no precedent on how to defeat the power of mass media and modern weaponry in the hands of the most evil creatures to ever evolve from our slimy, primordial ancestors. I don't mean to suggest that we can't ever restore freedoms lost, but we must first be worthy of it and I'm not sure that most Americans are. And, I'm just not interested in cocksure approaches from those who have never been close enough to danger to smell the dragon's breath on their necks. Let me ask you this:
#37. To: HOUNDDAWG (#36)
I didn't say there wasn't a price to be paid. This is a war, after all. So you're right about that. It's past time for people to think of this as a war, and not "social media" where we only gather around the cyber campfire and chew the cyberfat. The good news is, there is no historical precedent on conquering a free people as well armed as we. The bad news is, there is no precedent on how to defeat the power of mass media and modern weaponry in the hands of the most evil creatures to ever evolve from our slimy, primordial ancestors. They cant park a Abrams on every street corner. You're a musician, right? So, you've done some traveling, I guess. It's a big country. Restoring freedom does NOT have to involve a shooting war. It can be won with noncooperation. I don't mean to suggest that we can't ever restore freedoms lost, but we must first be worthy of it and I'm not sure that most Americans are. I used to think about that a lot, going down the road with nothing good on the radio. We just don't know how many people are with us. We dont know what they're thinking. Most people dont even get to know their neighbors. All we know are the illusions of the MSM. According to them (MSM), there is no reality outside of their illusions. If people can't handle the "dragons breath" now, they wont he able to handle it when things really get rough. We're ALL in danger. It could all end today, or tomorrow, or 50 years from now. There is a difference between "inevitable" and "imminent" that I had to learn.
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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
#38. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
you're being overly generous by even acknowledging silly fruitcakes who claim that evil (a synonym for conspiracists) doesnt exist. But in the end, it doesnt matter what whoever thinks. The truth is the truth, let em disagree to their hearts content.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#39. To: PSUSA2 (#37)
Don't I know it. My bare fear (as in, "the absence of all reason" like plunging out a WTC window to escape immolation) is that Americans will dutifully line up and take a micro chip for Enfamil (two cans per day) Budweiser (two cans per day) or fuel ration cards (2 gallons per week) Not until they're up against the wall and nothing's left (or offered) will we know if the unorganized militia will fight (too little too late) or report with sunscreen, work gloves and shovels, ready to stack their iron into surrender trophies. ("Oh, yeah, the 2nd amendment bars us govt folks from banning your firearms. But there's no constitutional bar to inviting citizens to join the so very Pop, progressive, New Fabian Fan Club") Restoring freedom does NOT have to involve a shooting war. It can be won with noncooperation.
#40. To: HOUNDDAWG (#36)
Terry Yeakey could attest to that (if he hadn't "committed suicide"). "It is important to note how, exactly, Yeakey is supposed to have killed himself. He was said to have slit his wrists and neck, causing him to nearly bleed to death in his car, and then miraculously climbed over a barbed wire fence. He then was purported to have walked over a miles distance, through a nearby field, eventually shooting himself in the side of the head at an unusual angle. Startlingly, no weapon was found at the scene of the body, no investigation was conducted, no fingerprints taken, and no interviews with family members or friends were had to try and determine why Yeakey would have been suicidal, or if he had, in fact, been suicidal at all. Instead, the conclusion that Yeakey’s death was a suicide was reached immediately, without an autopsy. Yeakey had witnessed things during his response to the bombing* which did not agree with the ‘official version’ of events touted by the national media and law enforcement at that time. Yeakey was in the process of collecting evidence which supported and documented the inconsistencies he witnessed the morning of the bombing at the scene itself." *The Oklahoma City bombing. Officer Yeakey had personally and at great risk to himself rescued four people from the building. Govt assassins just don't care if such "suicides" are even plausible.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi
"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken
"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance
Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
#41. To: Artisan (#38)
I'll take that hit. (thanks for being kind about it) It seems that the sole "fruitcake" is out of supporters at the moment. Even those who reflexively oppose me have fronted but a single smarmy wisecrack each on this. So, You're correct. I invested entirely too much energy extending a debate invitation to a mushroom. you're being overly generous by even acknowledging silly fruitcakes who claim that evil (a synonym for conspiracists) doesnt exist. But in the end, it doesnt matter what whoever thinks. The truth is the truth, let em disagree to their hearts content.
#42. To: James Deffenbach (#40)
I was truly saddened by Officer Yeakey's death. A black cop with many commendations and the guts to stand up to the Morlocks, even as his superiors cringed and soiled their Class A funeral trousers.
#43. To: HOUNDDAWG (#42)
Yeah, Terry Yeakey was certainly a credit to his profession, a profession that has lost the respect of most people due to clowns like Grand Island the mall cop or the wannabe or whatever he is.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi
"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken
"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance
Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
#44. To: HOUNDDAWG (#39)
What would happen if, say, 90% of the population went along with that. 10% then told the .gov to go engage in self-fornication. I'm using the 90/10 as plausible percentages (IMO). That 10% removed all money from banks, came down with the "blue flu", and did business only with other 10%ers. They refuse to make a mortgage payment, or for that matter, refused to pay any bills except for maybe the light bill. And if the pigs started getting even more uppity, that 10% would take care of things. Freelancers would be free to engage in some underhanded and sneaky things, if the mood hit. Doing those simple and very doable things, what would happen? IMO it would crash the system in a month. Maybe sooner. My bare fear (as in, "the absence of all reason" like plunging out a WTC window to escape immolation) is that Americans will dutifully line up and take a micro chip for Enfamil (two cans per day) Budweiser (two cans per day) or fuel ration cards (2 gallons per week)
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