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Title: Will the Covert Become Overt? Drudge Reports that Romney Will Pick CIA Director Petraeus for VP
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URL Source: http://www.dailypaul.com/247901/wil ... cia-director-petraeus-for-veep
Published: Aug 7, 2012
Author: empireisalwaysevil aka Arator
Post Date: 2012-08-07 22:34:24 by christine
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Views: 450
Comments: 26

They've ruled us from behind the scenes ever since they shot JFK. I guess they figure it's time they made it official.

http://drudgereport.com/flashgp.htm

All hail the spook-state! National "security" uber alles! Please continue sacrificing your blood and treasure to gain the favor of these, your new gods!

Will we resist this decades-long treason against our Republic, or go quietly into the night of a new Dark Age?

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#8. To: christine (#0)

Good. Maybe the CIA director can help Romney find his tax returns.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-08-08   1:13:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Good. Maybe the CIA director can help Romney find his tax returns.

And citizenship documentation on his Mexican-born father. Or maybe some unknown number of the Senate will just specially declare Mitt a natural born citizen like they did for McCain but not others of similar circumstances.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-08-08   12:16:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but not others of similar circumstances.

Not that I like McCain - quite the opposite - but McCain's situation bears no resemblance whatsoever to that of the foreignerinchief. McCain was born to a US Naval Officer and his US citizen wife who were assigned to a US military installation in the Panama Canal Zone, tho not US proper, a US military base is as good as it gets for US territory facsimile situation.

Zero was born in Kenya to a Kenyan citizen, his father. Not only that but later Zero had an Indonesian passport per his step-father and traveled on that foreign country's passport as a student. The Hawaii birth certificate is bullsh*t. I don't believe Zero was born here for a millisecond.

Romney was born in Detroit. He is a "natural born" US citizen to 2 US citizen parents. What's your problem with Romney?

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-09   0:48:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I explained at Post #7 of your 4um topic, Ron Paul: A notable omission from the list of speakers at the 2012 RNC, that Romney being born here doesn't equate to natural born citizenship. Because his father was a Governor and ran for President isn't proof that he was an American citizen. Globalists have long been trying to internationalize the office of our Presidency, spanning a century or more with their stealth coup-trickeries to do so. I suspect they're trying again to make it so neither party has a qualified nominee for the office, like they did in the 2008 election.

On McCain, I believe one intent of our Founders (as to the Article II, Section 1 natural born citizen requirement in the Constitution for Presidential office) was to do what they could to deter military excursions abroad and births on foriegn soil thereof which could compromise citizenship as well as allegiance. Here are references on why McCain was not qualified as a natural born citizen, despite whatever number of the Senate declared unilaterally that he was:

United States nationality law

The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 U.S.C. § 1403, the law states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen, was "declared" to be a United States citizen.

That means a citizen declared by statute, not a natural born citizen

theobamafile.com

A citizen "by statute" is any person born of US citizen parent(s) outside the United States -- think John McCain -- in this case, there is no foreign entanglement via parentage BUT there is a foreign entanglement via birthplace

Edited for spelling.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-08-16   1:25:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why are you bringing up McCain and Romney's father?

Mitt Romney is not either one of those aforementioned politicians.

According to the latest pronouncement on what constitutes "natural born" - since the Constitution does not define it and the Supreme Court has not ruled on it - the common agreed upon descripter is that natural born means being born in the USA or a territory under America's jurisdiction/control.

End of story.

Romney was born in Detroit, Michigan - it does not matter whether his parents were space aliens - it matters that he popped out of his Mom in Detroit, Michigan.

That's why the TeleprompterInChief went to great lengths to try to faux prove that he popped out of his Mom in Hawaii.

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-16   1:55:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why are you bringing up McCain and Romney's father?

Mitt Romney is not either one of those aforementioned politicians.

I've been bringing up the McCain citizenship status issue since his run for the Presidency and have been questioning Romney's and his father's here since long before encountering you at this forum. But, a recap for you:

Shoonra commented that the CIA might help Romney find his tax returns and I commented with words to the effect that they might also be able to help him locate missing documentation on his father's citizenship status, as it concerns his own. Then you showed up and here we are.

On the rest of your post, the Constitution isn't a dictionary for the convenience of the willfully uninformed. Terms in it had established meanings when it was written. Vattel's Law of Nations is a reference our Founders were familiar with at the time on the issue of natural born citizens or not that you could research on the subject -- or do a 4um search for previous discussions here on the subject, many of which have extensive research and material posted within them for clarification. You clearly have a blurry concept of any distinctions between various citizenship status in this country but I assure you that there are agencies of government plural whose job it is to distinguish between them.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-08-17   1:13:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

the Constitution isn't a dictionary for the convenience of the willfully uninformed. You clearly have a blurry concept of any distinctions between various citizenship status in this country but I assure you that there are agencies of government plural whose job it is to distinguish between them.

Oh really? And what a fabulous job these agencies and govt plural have done with assessing the Kenyan's natural born citizenship. I feel I have gotten my taxpayer money's worth, yes siree.

Oddly enough, I have not read Obama's name come up in your discussion regarding natural born citizenship - indeed, the most glaring example of a foreign interloper in the WH gets a pass from you.

The mind is a terrible thing to waste. Please stop being willfully uninformed and blurry about Barry Hussein Soetero's "big lie."

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-17   3:52:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

P.S. Santorum and Romney's considered Vice Presidential candidate prospects, Rubio and Jindal, should all have been disqualified as runners because they are also not eligible for the offices as natural born citizens. Just so you know that the issue of manuevers to internationalize the Executive Branch is pervasive and really much bigger than political Party, Romney, McCain, or Obama.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-08-17   5:21:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#26. To: GreyLmist (#25) (Edited)

Just so you know that the issue of manuevers to internationalize the Executive Branch is pervasive and really much bigger than political Party, Romney, McCain, or Obama.

I don't doubt what you say. But I think that Obama has been the primary beneficiary of that effort. Romney and McCain were both "natural born" based on the intent of the Founding Fathers. The Founding Fathers' included the requirement of the President being "natural born" - tho they did not specifically define the phrase at the time - to make sure the President did not have dual loyalties. The Supreme Court subsequently made decisions on related citizenship matters that colored the modern day interpretation of what "natural born" might mean. You have taken one interpretation of what "natural born" might require ( the father must be a US born citizen).

The readers' responses in the Federalist blog link below are informative because they cite cases that challenge the idea that the place of birth of the father is the defining characteristic of what it means to be "natural born." There is no question that the fathers of McCain and Romney were both US citizens, having their allegiance and loyalties only to America - McCain's father was a US Naval officer and Romney's father George, tho born in Mexico where his parents had run to for purposes of escaping religious persecution ( sound familiar?) was the child of 2 US citizens ( who never renounced their US citizenship) born in Utah and who specifically chose US citizenship for their son, George. In those days Mexico did not allow dual citizenship. The Romney Family fled back to the USA in 1912 taking George with them.

http://www.chron.com/news/articl...ican-heritage-2742503.php

snip

"A two-term Michigan governor, George Romney faced questions about his eligibility to run for president in 1968 because he wasn't born in the United States. Yet, George was born a U.S. citizen, not Mexican, because his parents were U.S. citizens. And in those days, Mexico didn't grant dual citizenship so the parents had to choose one country or the other. Mitt Romney has said neither his father nor his grandparents spoke Spanish.

www.federalistblog.us/200...ral-born_citizen_defined/

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-17 12:42:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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