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Title: Women, STEM, and D&D
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Free Northerner
URL Source: http://freenortherner.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/women-stem-and-dd/
Published: Aug 12, 2012
Author: Free Northerner
Post Date: 2012-08-12 15:00:51 by Turtle
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Views: 130
Comments: 13
Yesterday, I briefly mentioned the topic of women in the math and sciences. It’s well know that post-secondary education is predominantly female. It is also well known that this is not true of STEM fields, where women are a minority. Some chock this up to differences in intelligence or that women aren’t gifted at math. It’s not differences in overall intelligence, as the difference in average intelligence between men and women has always been small, and might even have reversed in the last few years. Even so, men have always held generally have held a small advantage in spatial reasoning and mathematical reasoning, but these differences are not great enough to account for the massive disparities in math-based subjects. Greater male variability may explain some of it. High-level mathematics requires high intelligence, and due to greater variability there are a greater number of high-intelligence males than females (just as there are greater number of low-intelligence males), but as we can see from IQ by intended major, even those intending to enter the hard sciences have an average IQ of only about 110. Even factoring in variability, a requirement for an IQ of 110 should not lead to such large disparities in the STEM field, but fewer women pursue STEM fields at this point. Feminists will argue that it’s all about discrimination and whatnot, but with the predominance of females throughout the rest of universities and the large number of programs dedicated to attracting women to STEM its hard to see how any can argue this with a straight face. Not to mention, that females are well-represented in the physical and life sciences. Is there somehow less discrimination in the life and physical sciences than the harder sciences? Unlikely. Notice instead that the STEM fields women are involved in are the less math oriented sciences. Across the board, women avoid fields that require lots of math. So the problem is mathematics, but it is unlikely due to differences in intelligence and the explanation of discrimination is ludicrous. So the answer: in general, women simply don’t like math. Shocking, I know. Now, this is the point where feminists cry sexism, women do like math (say the female gender and polisci students). Now, you know from personal experience women don’t like math; ask most women, and they’ll readily admit they don’t like math. The available data seems to support the assertion women just plain don’t like it, but proving that women generally don’t like math is difficult. You can’t really see into women’s minds to show they don’t like math and anecdotes that all your female friends don’t like math is no more proof positive of a statistical trend than the one female friend you have who loves math is proof negative. So, how can we know? The answer is simple: Dungeons and Dragons. **** See, the thing is, most guys don’t like math either. Only a small minority of men, and an even smaller minority of women, enjoy math. These men are generally referred to as nerds. (When I say nerd, I don’t mean the recent trend of “LOL, I watched Dr. Who once, I’m such a nerd” hipster teenagers. I mean the actual nerds, the guys who will spend their Saturday nights imagining themselves swinging around +2 Swords of Shining Light or who will actually go outside and throw around lightning bolts.) These nerds are the ones who dominate the STEM fields. Why they’re (or more accurately we’re, as I’m a bit of a nerd myself) like that I don’t know, but I kinda like Half-Sigma’s idea that nerds are simply men with a very mild form of Asperger’s, something also kind of touched on by Susan Pinker. But that’s beside the point, which is that nerds dominate the STEM field, because they are abnormal people who actually likes math. **** So, how does that help us prove that women dislike math? Simple, look at D&D. D&D, for the uninitiated, is essentially what happens when you combine Tolkien, tactical wargames, improvisational theatre, and mathematics. Nerds get together and each creates a character, which is essentially a large block of statistics and math made of options from a large, complicated rule book. He then gives this block of math some personality (sometimes the personality comes before the math, but most nerds know which usually comes first). One nerd, the GM, gets the especially complicated job of creating a world out of blocks of statistics and math. The nerds then takes their blocks of math which interact with (and kill) the GM’s blocks of math, so their blocks of math can grow larger numbers to defeat more powerful blocks of math. Along the way there is some roleplaying: which is essentially improvisational theatre concerning the blocks of math. D&D is essentially what people who enjoy math do for fun. It’s making math a game. **** It’s a simple fact that few women play D&D, it is largely the domain of males. The game is open for all to play and most players would love to have more females players who share their hobby. Yet, women don’t play. You go to any improvisational theatre group, there’s tons of women, women like theatre. Women also like Tolkien, and fantasy in general for that matter. So, why don’t they like D&D? Math. Most women, and most men, don’t like math, so making a game of complex math is not something they would consider fun. If women, on average, liked math as much as men, they would be as involved in D&D as men. There is no discrimination or institutional barriers preventing them from enjoying D&D, all it requires for entry is $20 for the rulebook. You don’t even really need that as most GM’s would be happy to lend you their copy if you join their game. They are not though. **** It doesn’t have to be D&D. In the above D&D can be replaced by complex board games, science fiction, Magic cards, war games, or pretty much any nerdy math-based activity. No matter what the math-oriented hobby, men vastly outnumber women. Women simply don’t see the enjoyment in spending free time doing math. Most men don’t either, but the minority of men who do is larger than the minority of women who do. **** That’s why there’s a STEM gap. The minority of females who are nerds is smaller than the minority of men who are nerds. So, next time a feminist says that there’s a STEM gap and it’s caused by sexism, ask her if she plays D&D and how many of her female friends do? Share this: Poster Comment: I don't like math and it's slow going for me but I can do it. I have no natural talent. I never played D&D but I was a big science fiction fan when I was 12. I have always found it a little odd than so many dim-witted women are grade-school teachers but can't teach math.
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#1. To: Turtle (#0)
I dislike math, but played plenty of D&D (actually Advanced D&D) and am a computer and sci-fi nerd.
Actually, I love math but my brain does not accept numeric input. Give me a decent calculator and I'll calculate all kinds of useless things.
Does drafting count as a STEM field?
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#2. To: Armadillo (#1)
I guess. Sorta. It is visio-spatial. Does drafting count as a STEM field?
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
#3. To: Turtle (#0)
Jesus saves!
The rest of you take full damage.
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#4. To: Turtle (#0)
I like math and majored in Physics. I have natural talent, and paid for college by getting a DI athletic scholarship. I never played D&D, but did play Risk for days at a time, I was a big science fiction, Dr. Who fan, and horror movie fan. I have always found it enlightening that so many dim-witted women are grade-school teachers, but insist on running the world right into the ground. Touche U Terrapin....lol In my opinion the reason wimmin don't want to go into STEM fields is it is really hard work. They want to be Doctors and pop out babies and work part time writing prescriptions, and not getting their hands dirty.
#5. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#3)
ROTFLMAO! Jesus saves! The rest of you take full damage.
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#6. To: Armadillo (#5)
:))
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#7. To: Turtle, Armadillo (#0)
I can do math and I'm good at it but I wouldn't say I love it. Never did D&D. It was a church thing for me. Did allow my son to play Magic. He was good at it. and don't get me started on teachers. *rolls eyes*
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#8. To: Lysander_Spooner (#4)
I was obsessed with it. There are pictures of me wearing a purple shirt and playing Risk. It was the proto-version of D&D. play Risk for days at a time,
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
#9. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#3)
There's ALWAYS a lone orc ready to blindside you from a hidden passageway, just like in real life :)
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#10. To: Turtle (#8)
yeah, but did u play "Pong" ....lol
#11. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#3)
Jesus saves - passes to Moses...and Moses scores!! Jesus saves!
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
#12. To: Lysander_Spooner (#10)
First video game I ever played. yeah, but did u play "Pong" ....lol
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#13. To: Turtle (#12)
Not certain, but it may have been the first video game. For about two weeks we were the cool kids in the neighborhood when Pops brought that home :)
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