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Title: Veep Pick Paul Ryan Is No Conservative
Source: The New American Magazine
URL Source: http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/po ... k-paul-ryan-is-no-conservative
Published: Aug 12, 2012
Author: Jack Kenny
Post Date: 2012-08-12 15:11:38 by hondo68
Keywords: backed "Government Motors", Omnibus Appropriations 2012, NDAA, TARP, Patriot Act, support of big-spending
Views: 565
Comments: 47

Veep Pick Paul Ryan Is No Conservative

No sooner had Mitt Romney's choice of Paul Ryan as his running mate become known than the world of punditry was abuzz with talk of "Ryanmania." Since mania is by definition an excessive or unreasonable enthusiasm, the label may be regarded as an understatement.For while the seven-term Republican congressman from Wisconsin and chairman of the House Budget Committee is not yet a household name across America, he does generate excitement within the "conservative movement," an excitement and enthusiasm that suggests the talking heads at Fox News and the dot.com warriors at The Weekly Standard have no more sense of conservative, constitutional government than the cheering chanting crowd of Republican partisans who greeted the vice presidential hopeful in Norfolk, Virginia, Saturday morning.

Like him or not, the one thing politically aware Americans are supposed to know about Paul Ryan is that he is a fiscal conservative, a bold budget hawk. He is, after all, the prime author of the House budget plan (titled "the Path to Prosperity") to repeal the Obama health insurance program ("ObamaCare"), turn the Medicaid program for low-income Americans over to the states and create a private insurance option for Medicare beneficiaries starting in 2023. The plan would also turn food stamps and other federal programs for the poor into block grants to the states, with limits on the growth of those programs. If Republican voters have any doubts about Ryan's commitment to budget austerity, they need only hear the Democrats' outcry that Ryan's "Path to Prosperity" will be a road to the poorhouse for elderly and low-income Americans.

But on the other side of the ledger, Ryan's voting record shows a robust support of big-spending programs to enlarge the role of the federal government, especially when they are promoted by a Republican in the White House. Ryan voted for all of the big-ticket, budget-busting items of the administration of President George W. Bush, including the No Child Left Behind Act and the prescription drug benefit known as Medicare Part D, often described as the largest expansion of the welfare state since Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. Ryan voted to create the new Department of Homeland Security, including the Transportation Security Administration that has harassed air travelers, while making aircraft safe from shoes, belt buckles and grandma's knitting needles. He voted for the PATRIOT Act, giving government enhanced powers for warrantless snooping into the lives of American citizens as well as foreign nationals. Ryan voted for the Troubled Assets Relief Program that bailed out the "too big to fail" financial institutions and inspired the Tea Party rebellion against big government and "crony capitalism." He backed the auto bailout that turned GM into "Government Motors."

And while conservatives generally like to leave wars and military spending off the list of costly "big government" programs, Ryan's record on that front is also troubling. Like Romney, Ryan has no foreign policy credentials and no record of military service to point to in the election campaign. And like Romney, Ryan swallowed whole the Bush-Cheney line on Iraq and supported the decision to invade and occupy that country in a needless war that cost more than 4,000 American and hundreds of thousands Iraqi lives and has added roughly a trillion dollars to our soaring national debt. Ryan's budget calls for no reduction in military spending, despite the continued presence of U.S. troops in some 130 countries around the world, most of which have no bearing on our own national security.

Even more troubling is Ryan's vote last December in favor of the National Defense Authorization Act. The legislation included a provision authorizing the President to use the military to arrest suspected terrorists, including American citizens apprehended in the United States, and hold them indefinitely, without charges and without trial, in clear violation of due process rights guaranteed by the Constitution. This year Ryan voted against an amendment to remove that provision from the law.

Ryan did vote against reauthorization of the Export-Import Bank, which grants loans and loan guarantees to foreign governments and businesses for the purchase of U.S. products. But his vote last year for the $915 billion Omnibus Appropriations Bill for 2012 went to support further spending on housing, education, foreign aid, and other programs for which there is no constitutional role for the federal government. On The New American magazine's latest Freedom Index, matching congressional votes with the strictures of the Constitution, Ryan's rating for the 112th Congress to date was an anemic 67 percent.

Paul Ryan is, in short, a typical Bush-era Republican, whose selection as a vice presidential candidate is being trumpeted as a triumph by many of the same Republicans who are doing their best to flush the administration of George W. Bush down the memory hole. Republican candidates almost never invoke the Bush name and the most recent Republican President will not be attending the party's convention in Tampa, where Romney and Ryan are expected to be officially nominated. Chances the name of the 43rd President will be mentioned in rare fleeting reference, if at all. Yet in his choice of running mate, Romney has chosen a loyal Bush Republican and reliable supporter of the programs and policies that made the Bush administration an anathema to genuine conservatives and an embarrassment to the nation.

Finally, the Ryan budget, while including a number of unspecified cuts in entitlement programs, would push overall spending higher than current levels. Despite its optimistic revenue projections, the Congressional Budget Office projects the Ryan plan will lead to a balanced budget by 2040.That suggests a rousing slogan for the Romney-Ryan ticket: "Slightly Less Socialism And A Balanced Budget in 28 Years."


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Just another big gov progressive like Obama and W. Mitt.


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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

He's a geek hugely influenced by the anti-American "Ayn Rand," who's real name was Alice Rosenbaum.

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-08-12   15:14:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: hondo68 (#0)

...the one thing politically aware Americans are supposed to know about Paul Ryan is that he is a fiscal conservative, a bold budget hawk.

Except, of course, when it comes to the untold billions of dollars being funneled into Israel and the trillions pumped into the jewWars & bankster's pockets every year.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-08-12   15:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#0)

He's only a budget hawk when it comes to cutting money going to the welfare state. He's a typical big spending Republicrat when it comes to funding the warfare state. He's nothing special.

We need someone who will take a hammer and chisel to both the welfare AND warfare state.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT!
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-08-12   15:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Esso (#2)

Except, of course, when it comes to the untold billions of dollars being funneled into Israel and the trillions pumped into the jewWars & bankster's pockets every year.

Exactly. He's just another Israeli-first war monger willing to spend American money and American lives to prop up the apartheid country of Israel.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT!
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-08-12   15:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: hondo68 (#0)

Ryan voted to create the new Department of Homeland Security, including the Transportation Security Administration that has harassed air travelers, while making aircraft safe from shoes, belt buckles and grandma's knitting needles.

That's reason enough to curse him.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-08-12   15:57:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#3)

We need someone who will take a hammer and chisel to both the welfare AND warfare state.

Yep, Ryan is a RINO neocon - a slightly different shade of color of leftism.

Let's keep in mind that Neoconservatives were former Democrats before they crossed over to the GOP and polluted that party too.

http://conservapedia.com/Neoconservatism

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A neoconservative (also spelled "neo-conservative"; colloquially, neocon) in American politics is someone presented as a conservative but who actually favors big government, interventionalism, and a hostility to religion in politics and government. The word means "newly conservative," and thus formerly liberal. A neocon is a type of RINO, and like RINOs does not accept most of the important principles in the Republican Party platform.

Many older neocons had been liberals in their youth and admired President Franklin D. Roosevelt, while younger neocons are more economically conservative than Roosevelt but like to downplay the social issues. In 2010 the highest priority of the neoconservatives was to increase military action by the United States in the Middle East and Afghanistan, and to expand it to an American confrontation against Iran; in 2011 their goals include supporting a military attack on Libya, continuing the Afghanistan War indefinitely, and even suggesting military action against Syria. There is a revolving door between some neocons and highly paid positions in the defense industry, which may explain the constant neoconservative demands for more wars.

In the European nations of Britain and France, neoconservatives dominate right-leaning politics, but in the United States neocons are less influential than the conservative movement. For example, neocons begrudgingly supported Mitt Romney as the Republican nominee for President in 2012, even though he was not their first choice and Romney has never supported the neocon agenda.

Neoconservatives tend to oppose the appointment of social conservatives to high governmental positions, such as nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court. Neoconservatives support candidates who are liberal on social issues instead.

Neoconservatives favor expensive foreign interventionalism with massive federal spending, often to replace a dictator with a new system of government that may be worse. Sometimes this is expressed as a desire to install a democracy in a culture that may be incompatible with it. The neoconservative position was discredited in the failure of democracy in the Iranian elections of 2009.

The neoconservative movement emerged in the mid 1970s, played a limited role in the Ronald Reagan Administration, and then had a voice in the Defense Department under the George W. Bush Administration after 9/11. Candidates favored by neoconservatives for president in 2012 include Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee, Mike Pence and, to a lesser extent because she pulls support away from those candidates, Sarah Palin.

Some prominent spokesmen include Bill Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Charles Krauthammer, Richard Perle, Robert Kagan, Christopher Hitchens, Bernard Lewis, Stephen Schwartz, Elliott Abrams, Ben Wattenberg and Carl Gershman.

In contrast to traditional conservatives, neoconservatives favor globalism, downplay religious issues and differences, are unlikely to actively oppose abortion and homosexuality. Neocons disagree with conservatives on issues such as classroom prayer, the separation of powers, cultural unity, and immigration. Neocons favor a strong active state in world affairs. Neocons oppose affirmative action with greater emphasis and priority than other conservatives do.

On foreign policy, neoconservatives believe that democracy can and should be installed by the United States around the world, even in Muslim countries such as Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.

Neoconservatives were prominent in the George W. Bush administration by supporting a strong foreign policy, and especially favored the Iraq War and its efforts to spread democracy worldwide.

Also:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Co.../000/000/003/000tzmlw.asp

"The Neoconservative Persuasion" by Irving Kristol

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-12   16:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: scrapper2 (#6)

Yep, Ryan is a RINO neocon

Nope, he a REAL Republican neocon, like Bush, McCain, Bill & Irving Kristol. W. Mitt, Boehner, and most holding office. The RINO's are the pro-American conservative ones, like Ron Paul. A minority, at least on the leadership level of the GOP.


My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.

hondo68  posted on  2012-08-12   18:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: hondo68 (#7)

The RINO's are the pro-American conservative ones, like Ron Paul.

If you see it that way, more power to you. You obviously do not want to accept the fact that Ron Paul is Republican.

Imo, Ron Paul is a true conservative Republican. He is what the GOP has been and should be.

The RINO's are liberals in Republican clothing that have infiltrated and taken control of the GOP.

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-12   18:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: hondo68 (#7)

Sunday, August 12, 2012

McCain says Paul Ryan is a ‘bold choice’ like Sarah Palin

...




Doesn't Paul Ryan look a lot like Sarah Palin?



By "bold", does Sen. McCain mean that Paul Ryan will be a "loser" like Sarah Palin? I hope he's right!






Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) on Sunday compared GOP hopeful Mitt Romney’s selection of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) for vice president to his 2008 pick of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R).

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/12/mccain-says-ryan-is-a-bold-choice-like-palin/

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-08-12   18:18:19 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Itistoolate (#9)

The Romney-Ryan ticket is unattractive in many ways and it will probably lose in November.

I don't like the neocon politics of either Mittens or Ryan frankly.

But in November I will vote for them. Four tears ago I voted for Ron Paul as write-in candidate on principle.

But 4 years of Obama is 4 years too much of extremist socialism. I really worry what this nation will be like with another 4 years of Obama. This nation could survive 4 years of Romney-Ryan - those 2 are a far lesser more predictable evil than Obama.

I will vote for Romney-Ryan as a vote against 4 more years of Obama, whose policies are a clear and present danger to this Republic's survival.

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-12   18:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: scrapper2 (#10)

The 'lesser' of 2 evils is why we are where we are.

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-08-12   19:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Itistoolate (#11)

The 'lesser' of 2 evils is why we are where we are.

So do you have a better more realistic answer to stop the Obama-Alinsky Machine from destroying America?

Just whining about the 2 party fraud system on blogs and sitting on your hands and opting out as you have noted previously may make you feel fullfilled and satisfied but that doesn't work for me. I like living in the main stream, and enjoying materialistic perks and leading an affluent middle class life style. Shoot me for being unashamedly successful and not wanting to have the fruits of my hard work and that of my family, friends, and colleagues being heavily taxed and re-distributed to prop up Dem Party typical voters ie. deadbeats and anti-American special interest groups and individuals.

Sometimes the lesser of 2 evils is just that - LESSER - because the other option is no option unless you are a Utopian communist or a loser. Did I miss anything that describes Obama-ites?

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-12   19:46:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: scrapper2 (#8)

You obviously do not want to accept the fact that

...W. Mitt is a real, genuine Republican. Hope & Change...

Dream on.


My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.

hondo68  posted on  2012-08-12   20:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: hondo68 (#13)

What's your point?

I said Romney is not a genuine Republican - he is a RINO. You claim Romney is.

I said Ron Paul is a genuine conservative Republican. You claim Ron Paul is not.

Ron Paul describes himself as a Republican. He says he is trying to save the GOP from itself - from the RINOs and Neocons - liberals wearing GOP clothing - who have high jacketed the GOP.

www.huffingtonpost.com/20...epublicans_n_1394927.html

If you like Ron Paul, you have to face the fact that he identifies himself as a Republican. Sorry. It is what it is.

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-12   20:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: scrapper2, wakeup (#14)

"ALL" FEDS are FEDS. They are the enemy ! My son e-mailed me the above video and I thought it was funny that one of our 4UM members made it. Ya just never know. Thanks Ron !

"In an unjust society, the only place for a just man is prison."

Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2012-08-12   20:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: hondo68 (#0)

Look at these skinny guys.

Bring back Clinton!

"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-08-12   23:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: hondo68, Turtle, F.A. Hayek Fan, X-15, scrapper2, Itistoolate, noone222, Prefrontal Vortex (#0)

Ryan only scores 60% on the Freedom Index.

He voted to continue paying UN dues. Extended the Patriot Act. Voted against withdrawal from Libya and voted to keep funding action there. Voted to raise the debt limit. voted in another NAFTA like trade agreement with Korea. voted in favor of the Omnibus Appropriations bill. voted in favor of the line item veto which violates the separation of powers. Voted in favor of the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA). and voted in favor of indefinite detention in the NDAA.


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-08-13   0:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: farmfriend (#17)

Hey, you don't need to convince me of Ryan's warts.

But do you think he's as bad or worse than Obama?

I firmly believe there is NOTHING as bad or worse than 4 more years of the CommunistInChief.

But we are all free to make that choice in November.

I am voting against Obama.

Staying home is not an option for me, because that's a vote for Obama and the Alinsky crowd.

As I recall you are/were a state employee. Maybe a pro-union Obama is better for you and your family. I pass no judgement. We all do what we need to do.

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-13   1:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: scrapper2 (#18)

But do you think he's as bad or worse than Obama?

I firmly believe there is NOTHING as bad or worse than 4 more years of the CommunistInChief.

I believe the global elites run the show and that it really doesn't matter what I think or who I vote for. I'll be voting Libertarian. I refuse to continue voting lesser of two evils. All that does is continue the farce of "choice".


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-08-13   10:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: farmfriend (#19)

I believe the global elites run the show and that it really doesn't matter what I think or who I vote for.

Exactly...

People trying their best to "rationalize" their voting, for whatever reason, are displaying the fact they are indeed brainwashed and programmed.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-13   10:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: noone222 (#15)

My son e-mailed me the above video

how cool is that!

christine  posted on  2012-08-13   10:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: farmfriend (#19)

I believe the global elites run the show and that it really doesn't matter what I think or who I vote for. I'll be voting Libertarian. I refuse to continue voting lesser of two evils. All that does is continue the farce of "choice".

Well said.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson

Lod  posted on  2012-08-13   12:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Lod (#22)

thank you


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-08-13   13:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#20)

People trying their best to "rationalize" their voting, for whatever reason, are displaying the fact they are indeed brainwashed and programmed.

Rationalizing comes from all quarters: -those not voting -those who write in Ron Paul -those who vote against Obama.

Doesn't mean any of the above are programmed or brainwashed.

Brainwashed/programmed is ferret and shoonra.

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-13   13:38:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: christine (#21)

how cool is that!

Pretty cool, at least one of my kids is paying attention !

I am hesitant to say too much to him because I don't want to see him fighting the system until his kid(s) are out of the house. (Which will be a long time from now.

"In an unjust society, the only place for a just man is prison."

Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2012-08-13   13:38:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: farmfriend (#17)

He's done everything except kiss the Wailing Wall, and he'll probably make that Special Pilgramage before November to show Bill Kristol that he's down for the Zionist agenda.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-08-13   14:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: scrapper2 (#24)

The opposite to voting is non-voting.

Peoples of the past have tried to exercise their right to not vote, and been criminalized for it. The worst example being the Soviet Union. Mostly Christians refused to participate in rigged elections, so the government passed a law making voting mandatory, or else.

By doing so the best they accomplished was a 99.8 % rate of compliance. It was embarrassing to have people refuse to legitimize the government, so the law corrected that.

My first vote was for Ike for two reasons. One, he promised to get me out of the Korean thing, AND I WAS BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING THAT VOTING WAS MY PATRIOTIC DUTY.

There was one trifling detail that kept bothering me, how could BOTH parties offer Ike the top spot...JUST NOT POSSIBLE, unless there WAS BUT ONE PARTY.

Ike got my worthless being out of Korea, so I repaid him in his second term. After that vote, all were "hold your nose" type votes. People have to do what their conscience dictates, not what they were brainwashed into doing.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-13   14:06:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: farmfriend (#19)

I refuse to continue voting lesser of two evils. All that does is continue the farce of "choice".

Like I said before, we all do what we need to do. We rationalize our actions in different ways. 4um posters do so with eyes wide open. demundergrounders and kossacks do it with ears and eyes shut.

Voting Libertarian is still continuing the farce of choice. There is no 3rd party choice in America. That's why Ron Paul does not run as a Libertarian.

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-13   14:12:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#27)

By doing so the best they accomplished was a 99.8 % rate of compliance. It was embarrassing to have people refuse to legitimize the government, so the law corrected that.

Both results achieve the same end - ie. de-legitimizing government. Remember all of us chuckling when MSM promoted as proof positive evidence of "democracy as victor" when the Iraqis had a 98% turnout at the voting booths after Uncle Saddam's fall? Under Uncle Sam, the voting turnout was 99.5%. Not much difference - both were very obvious false indicators of democracy in action, of a legitimate government being elected by/for/from the People.

The problem in America is that the majority of people will not get on board with the idea of not voting in mass. So if just a few people do not vote, it means there is a miniscule percentage loss in voter turn out. Going from a 34% voter turnout to a 33.9% turnout makes no point whatsoever. It does not show govt being de-legitimized. It just sends a message ( if noticed at all) to the world at large and to the PTB that "some malcontents" "threw their votes away."

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-13   14:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: scrapper2 (#28)

There is no 3rd party choice in America.

I know that probably better than anyone on this forum since I saw first hand how they are destroyed from within using major party money and lawyers.


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-08-13   14:42:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: scrapper2 (#29)

The problem in America is that the majority of people will not get on board with the idea of not voting in mass

Without checking, I believe the last estimate of non voters was eighty million Americans. Many descriptions of such people have been subscribed to, by the media, namely, ignorant, stupid, careless, moochers, even the term unsophisticated.

Assuming ALL those attributes apply to we non voters, there are two lines of defense in our favor.

We have a RIGHT TO NOT VOTE...

The character of the government elected is a direct choice of those better qualified, therefore by extension, better, enlightened people, would elect a better enlightened government.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-13   14:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#31)

Assuming ALL those attributes apply to we non voters, there are two lines of defense in our favor.

We have a RIGHT TO NOT VOTE...

Absolutely, we have the right not to vote.

And absolutely out of the 80 Million non-voters, there is a good % of people - not ALL by any means - who are NOT exercising choice. They just do not show up at the voting booth - a conscious deliberate decision involving "choice" was not in play.

The % of non-voters who made a choice is 50/50, at best, I wager.

Don't under estimate the % of slothful, stupid Americans who live in this country. Those afflictions are not merely things that affect people who vote GOP or Dem Party.

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-13   15:59:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: farmfriend, scrapper2 (#17)

Democrats stab whites in the front.
Republicans stab whites in the back.

Republicans are worse.

"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-08-13   17:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: scrapper2 (#18)

I firmly believe there is NOTHING as bad or worse than 4 more years of the CommunistInChief.

As Marcus Aurellius said, do not trouble yourself with visions of a presidency lived all at once. Or something like that.

"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-08-13   18:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: scrapper2 (#18)

I firmly believe there is NOTHING as bad or worse than 4 more years of the CommunistInChief.

that's what the global elites want you to think so you will keep voting lesser of two evils and voting for their puppets "that can win" like that is more important than the policies they push.

stop and think about it. who was better or worse for this country? Nixon who gave us the EPA and affirmative action or Carter who gave us the energy dept. If your didn't already know, could you tell from that who had the D and who had the R? who was worse? Bush for giving us the Patriot Act or Obama who gave us Obama care based on Romney care? who has the Ds and who has the Rs. They are all puppets pushing an agenda that does not favor the American public or constitutional freedoms.


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-08-13   18:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: scrapper2 (#32)

More than fifty years ago when I first took an active part in non partisan politics, my greatest learning came from "numbers crunchers" or statisticians.

They cared less about who won or lost, rather what the numbers told them that was never in the media.

The most eye opening was voting patterns going from the lowest of elected offices, dog catcher, to President of this country. The total number of voters, compared to votes for dog catcher were nearly always 100 per cent. As the importance of the office increased, the total number of voters remained the same, BUT THE COMBINED VOTES FOR EACH OFFICE DECREASED THE HIGHER ONE WENT.

The office of the presidency ALWAYS HAD THE GREATEST DISPARITY.

Voters knew they had no choice. They were voting against the system way back then, in increasing numbers as the years went by.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-13   18:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: farmfriend (#35) (Edited)

They are all puppets pushing an agenda that does not favor the American public or constitutional freedoms.

What you're telling me is not news to me. I know everything there is to know about puppets and global elites etc etc. I used to post here long before you started. I am not voting against Obama because I don't know the drill. ok? So please don't lecture me as tho I'm a dummy and you're an enlightened genius.

Previously I wrote in Ron Paul. But after 4 hellish years of Obama in the WH, I am voting against Obama. This is the way I want to go.

You vote whatever you want. I've said before. I don't agree with how you will vote. I don't think voting Libertarian is any better an answer than what I'm planning to do. Even Ron Paul doesn't run as a Libertarian because he knows that America is a 2 party system. And he has chosen to stay with the party that he thinks is closer to what he believes in. He has said he is trying to save the GOP from itself. Ron Paul has made a choice of lesser evil rather than trying to run with a party, the Libertarians, that is not viable.

We do what we need to do.

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-14   6:00:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#36)

The office of the presidency ALWAYS HAD THE GREATEST DISPARITY. Voters knew they had no choice. They were voting against the system way back then, in increasing numbers as the years went by.

Could please provide a source for the stats that support what you say? I have never heard that theory before.

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-14   6:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#33)

Democrats stab whites in the front. Republicans stab whites in the back.

Republicans are worse.

Say what? Never mind.

scrapper2  posted on  2012-08-14   6:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: scrapper2 (#38)

I have never heard that theory before.

Not a theory, rather a mathematical surety.

There are many factors the crunchers provide to political parties and anyone willing to purchase. Here in the hills we are rather backward, still using paper ballots, so the results are rarely tampered with. Local media publishes the county results, so with a pencil one can do their own local crunching.

I have been away from it so long that I cannot recall the names of suppliers, would have to go hunting on internet.

The Feds use such to ascertain many facts about voting cities, states, towns etc etc.

The striking factor to me was the number of people NOT voting for President, thus the number of non voters is actually greater if one adds those withholding their votes.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-14   9:17:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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