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Title: US Marine nabbed over ‘Facebook Terrorism’
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URL Source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/0 ... abbed-over-facebook-terrorism/
Published: Aug 20, 2012
Author: staff
Post Date: 2012-08-21 00:46:10 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 561
Comments: 20

He basically said 'I have some disagreements with the government and share this', and they said, 'You have to go with us."

Kathleen Thomas, Brandon Raub's mother A high-profile US Marine has been thrown behind bars for posting his critical views of US government on the social networking website Facebook.

According to his mother Kathleen Thomas, Brandon Raub - who has served his nation in two wars - was hauled off by authorities from the FBI, Secret Service and Chesterfield County PD, the Salemnews website reported.

FBI agent Sherry Grainger reportedly told Thomas her son was making “threats that were terrorist in nature”.

The writer of the story on the website described the affair as “Facebook Terrorism” stuff.

In reaction to her son's arrest, the decorated Marine’s mother has called into question the freedom of speech in the United States.

Her remarks followed the abrupt arrest of Raub whose posts on Facebook have been under scrutiny. The case, experts say, is a flagrant indication of the US government’s strict control over social networking websites, above all Facebook.

Thomas said her son was questioned about why he was writing comments critical of the government.

"He basically said 'I have some disagreements with the government and share this', and they said, 'You have to go with us'," Thomas noted.

She added, "He was handcuffed, not read his rights, put into a Chesterfield Police Department vehicle and taken to John Randolph Psychiatric Hospital in Hopewell, Virginia," Thomas said.

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Posted by Unknown Lamer on Monday August 20, @08:29PM from the rumsfeld-aspic-jsofc3ip-Verisign-terrorism-Comirex dept. colinneagle writes with news of a marine turned conspiracy theorist who was detained for psychological evaluation after posting rants on Facebook. He has since been ordered to remain in a mental facility for at least 30 days.

From the article: "There are conspiracy theorists who believe 9/11 was an inside job. I don't really follow that news, but can people be arrested after saying so online, exercising their First Amendment right to Freedom of Speech? On August 16, the FBI, Secret Service and the Chesterfield Police arrested a decorated former U.S. Marine for 'airing his critical views of the U.S. government on Facebook.' On Facebook, Raub talked about the Illuminati, a shadow organization in which 'some of the leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers' and the 'great amount of evil perpetrated by the American Government.' He said people may think he was going crazy, but a 'civil war,' the 'Revolution' is coming. 'I'm starting the Revolution. I'm done waiting.' On July 24, he said he was at a 'great crossroads. As if a storm of destiny is about to pick me up and take me to fight a great battle.' On August 9 he talked about severing heads and told the generals he was coming for them. On August 13, he wrote, 'Sharpen up my axe; I'm here to sever heads.' On August 14, Raub wrote, 'The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it.'" I suspect being a former marine and threatening to decapitate military officials might have had something to do with this (communicating specific threats?). But then again, his Facebook page was reportedly private, and according to the AP newswire: "The big concern, Whitehead said, is whether government officials are monitoring citizens' private Facebook pages and detaining people with whom they disagree." Read the 270 comments

Mental health issue (Score:4, Informative) by phantomfive (622387) This is a mental health issue. He wasn't arrested, he was detained because he is crazy. In America, you can get someone locked up as insane. He doesn't need a trial. It is a serious problem.

This has long been a problem in the western world. In Europe, if someone seemed crazy, in the 1800s it was a popular way to get rid of him if he was the only person in line ahead of you for inheritance (see for example, Prince Ludwig of Bavaria). In America, we had asylums with power to keep anyone who was deemed to be crazy. The administrators had a lot of power in these places, and eventually it was shown that doctors were incompetent at distinguishing sane people from insane people [wikipedia.org]. A lot of hospitals got closed at that point.

In case anyone cares, here is the law [virginia.gov] that will allow him to be locked up, in case any lawyer wants to comment: a mental health professional can decide to issue a temporary detention order if "it appears ... that the person (i) has a mental illness and that there exists a substantial likelihood that, as a result of mental illness, the person will, in the near future, (a) cause serious physical harm to himself or others as evidenced by recent behavior causing, attempting, or threatening harm and other relevant information, if any, or (b) suffer serious harm due to his lack of capacity to protect himself from harm or to provide for his basic human needs, (ii) is in need of hospitalization or treatment, and (iii) is unwilling to volunteer or incapable of volunteering for hospitalization or treatment."

He threatened harm, the law lets him be locked up.

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I know everyone thinks that this is a punitive move, but at least on the face of it, the psych detention is for diagnostic purposes. We put people in this situation routinely when they are 1) an danger to themselves or others (likely the rationale here) or 2) gravely disabled (think sitting in the middle of the freeway).

From the limited info presented, it may well be the most reasonable thing to do. Perhaps he's just blowing off steam. Perhaps he is having a bad day.

Or perhaps he has a couple of fully auto M-16s, a couple thousand rounds of ammo, a couple of grenades and maybe some other souvenirs of the Middle East. It's a difficult balance between letting people do what they feel is right and allowing mass murder, even if it's justified to some people's minds.

mosb1000 (710161) on Monday August 20, @09:47PM (#41063197)

Maybe I'm hanging out with the wrong crowd, but this page looks pretty normal to me. 9/11 truth and chemtrails and so fourth. If they were going to lock up everyone with a page like this, it would be tens or hundreds of thousands of people. I don't see a good reason to believe he is mentally disturbed, or that he is going to act out. His detention is alarming, to say the least. Can the Feds now use mental instability as a excuse to lock up anyone they want?

Re: Unless the reason was that people that knew him called to say that he needed help. I don't know, I can't look at that because I don't have a facebook login. I had to deactivate it because I kept getting drunk and saying stupid shit on facebook (see what I did there). So, I am more than willing to believe he is harmless...here's hoping that he is checked out, determined to be batshit crazy but harmless...then let go.

However, it doesn't bother me at all that they detained him to check him out. Re:

There's an image [networkworld.com] of his facebook page in the article, if you'd like to check it out. Re:

Sadly in Virginia detention for mental instability is legal. Here's another commenter who understands it better than me.

Re:Cue the 1st amendment nuts (Score:4, Insightful) by Firehed (942385)

There's clearly a blurry line here trying to distinguish crazed ranting from actual threats. I'm definitely opposed to the idea of "thoughtcrime", but if someone is making real threats that they're in a position to carry out (and I'm guessing an ex-Marine is more qualified than most to do so) it makes sense to step in before real harm is done. But that's also contingent on us being able to actually make a realistic distinction between blowing off steam and actually planning violence. We tend to be overcautious here, but that's societal trends at work.

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We tend to be overcautious here,

Overcautious equals paranoia. It is the FBI, the Secret Service, and the Local County police who are "overcautious," paranoid, and thus "mentally ill."

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