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Title: WHAT AND WHY in the world are "They" Sprayng?
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Published: Aug 21, 2012
Author: G W Griffen
Post Date: 2012-08-21 20:20:44 by Itistoolate
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What in the World Are They Spraying? (Full Length)

"Why in the World are They Spraying?" Full Length Documentary HD

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#1. To: Itistoolate (#0)

What in the World Are They Spraying?

Nothing.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-21   20:47:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

Are you blind Cyni?

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-08-21   20:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Itistoolate (#2)

Now now.

I could have said ping.

Different opinion does not translate to...BLIND...

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-21   21:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

2 hrs 30 min of video and you comment after 4 min?

How can anyone take you seriously?

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-08-21   21:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Itistoolate (#4)

Easy...

Most people do not buy into the "spraying" idea.

The entire concept is beyond imagination.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-21   21:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

Us Patent Proves They Are Spraying Chemtrails!

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-08-21   21:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Itistoolate (#6)

Utter nonsense.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-21   21:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#7)


Atmospheric Geoengineering is occuring in our skies daily, and on a worldwide basis
For those who doubt the feasibility of these special operations, just take a look at the following Patents.

Chemtrail Patents:

Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere
United States Patent 4,686,605 / Eastlund / August 11, 1987
http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4686605.WKU.&OS=PN/4686605&RS=PN/4686605

A method and apparatus for altering at least one selected region which normally exists above the earth's surface. The region is excited by electron cyclotron resonance heating to thereby increase its charged particle density. In one embodiment, circularly polarized electromagnetic radiation is transmitted upward in a direction substantially parallel to and along a field line which extends through the region of plasma to be altered. The radiation is transmitted at a frequency which excites electron cyclotron resonance to heat and accelerate the charged particles. This increase in energy can cause ionization of neutral particles which are then absorbed as part of the region thereby increasing the charged particle density of the region.

Method of modifying weather
United States Patent 6,315,213 / Cordani / November 13, 2001
http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6315213.WKU.&OS=PN/6315213&RS=PN/6315213

A method for artificially modifying the weather by seeding rain clouds of a storm with suitable cross-linked aqueous polymer. The polymer is dispersed into the cloud and the wind of the storm agitates the mixture causing the polymer to absorb the rain. This reaction forms a gelatinous substance which precipitate to the surface below. Thus, diminishing the clouds ability to rain.

Process for absorbing ultraviolet radiation using dispersed melanin
United States Patent / 5,286,979 / Berliner / February 15, 1994
http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5286979.WKU.&OS=PN/5286979&RS=PN/5286979

This invention is a process for absorbing ultraviolet radiation in the atmosphere by dispersing melanin, its analogs, or derivatives into the atmosphere. By appropriate choice of melanin composition, size of melanin dispersoids, and their concentration, the melanin will absorb some quantity of ultraviolet radiation and thereby lessen its overall effect on the critters who would normally absorb such radiation.

Liquid atomizing apparatus for aerial spraying
United States Patent / 4,948,050 / Picot / August 14, 1990
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4948050.WKU.&OS=PN/4948050&RS=PN/4948050

A rotary liquid spray atomizer for aerial spraying is driven by a variable speed motor, driven in turn by power from a variable speed AC generator. The generator is driven from a power take-off from the engine of the spraying aircraft, a drive assembly includes a device for controlling the speed of the generator relative to the speed of the engine. The particularly convenient drive assembly between the generator and the power take-off is a hydraulic motor, which drives the generator, driven by a hydraulic pump driven from the power take-off. The speed of the hydraulic motor can be controllably varied. Conveniently the AC motor is a synchronous motor.

Laminar microjet atomizer and method of aerial spraying of liquids
United States Patent / 4,412,654 Yates / November 1, 1983
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4412654.WKU.&OS=PN/4412654&RS=PN/4412654

A laminar microjet atomizer and method of aerial spraying involve the use of a streamlined body having a slot in the trailing edge thereof to afford a quiescent zone within the wing and into which liquid for spraying is introduced. The liquid flows from a source through a small diameter orifice having a discharge end disposed in the quiet zone well upstream of the trailing edge. The liquid released into the quiet zone in the slot forms drops characteristic of laminar flow. Those drops then flow from the slot at the trailing edge of the streamlined body and discharge into the slipstream for free distribution.

ROCKET HAVING BARIUM RELEASE SYSTEM TO CREATE ION CLOUDS IN THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE
United States Patent: - US3813875 / Issued/Filed Dates: June 4, 1974 / April 28, 1972
http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailsbariumresearch.showMessage?topicID=28.topic

A chemical system for releasing a good yield of free barium (Ba°) atoms and barium ions (BA+) to create ion clouds in the upper atmosphere and interplanetary space for the study of the geophysical properties of the medium. Inventor(s): Paine; Thomas O. Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration with respect to an invention of , Hampton, VA 23364


NASA: BARIUM - Chemical Formulas/Suppliers
source: gisgaia
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This is the "Description of Preferred Embodiments" link in the NASA Barium Patent listed above. Astounding that this information was generated in l969 and now,30 years later, there is evidence of Barium saturation in our atmosphere.

The Barium/Fuel mixtures are listed below along with the suppliers.

Description of Preferred Embodiments:
Referring now to the drawings and more particularly to FIG. 1, there is shown a segment of a suitable carrier vehicle 10, such for example a rocket motor. Vehicle 10 is employed to carry fuel tank 11, insulated oxidizer tank 13 and combustion chamber 15, along with the necessary instrumentation, from earth into the upper atmosphere or into interplanetary space. Fuel tank 11 is in fluid connection with combustion chamber 15 and oxidizer tank 13 is in fluid connection with combustion chamber 15 by way of respective conduits 17 and 19. A pair of valves 21 and 23 are disposed within the respective conduits 17 and 19. Valves 21 and 23 are adapted to be selectively and simultaneously opened by a suitable battery-powered timing mechanism, radio signal, or the like, to release the pressurized fuel and oxidizer from tanks 11 and 13. The fuel and oxidizer then flow through conduits 17 and 19 and impinge upon each other through a centrally positioned manifold and suitable jets (not shown) in combustion chamber 15 where spontaneous ignition occurs. The reaction products are then expelled through the open ends of combustion chamber 15 as plasma which includes the desired barium neutral atoms and barium ions as individual species.

The fuel utilized in fuel tank 11 is either hydrazine (N2 H4) or liquid ammonia (NH3) while the oxidizer employed is selected from the group consisting of liquid fluorine (F2), chlorine trifluoride (ClF3) and oxygen difluoride (OF2). When using hydrazine as the fuel, barium may be dissolved therein as barium chloride, BaCl2, or barium nitrate, Ba(NO3)2, or a combination of the two. When using liquid ammonia as the fuel, barium metal may be dissolved therein. The combination found to produce the highest intensity of Ba° and Ba+ resonance radiation in ground based tests involved a fuel of 16 percent Ba(NO3)2, 17 percent BaCl2 and 67 percent N2 H4 ; and as the oxidizer, the cryogenic liquid fluorine F2 and in which an oxidizer to fuel weight ratio was 1.32.
Other combinations of ingredients tested are set forth in Table I below:

TABLE I
______________________________________
System Optimum O/F Percent
Ionization
Calculated
______________________________________
16.7% BaCl2 -
83.3% N2 H4 /ClF3
2.36 68.0
26% BaCl2 -
74% N2 H4 /ClF3
2.08 70.0
50% Ba(NO3)2 -
50% NH3 /ClF3
1.52 -
42.9% Ba(NO3)2 -
57.1% N2 H4 /ClF3
1.19 50.0
16.7% BaCl2 -
83.3% N2 H4 /F2
1.95 68.8
26% BaCl2 -
74% N2 H4 /F2
1.71 70.6
21% BaCl2 -
9% Ba(NO3)2 -
70% N2 H4 /F2
1.57 68.5
17% BaCl2 -
16% Ba(NO3)2 -
67% N2 H4 /F2
1.31 68.1
13% BaCl2 -
21.5% Ba(NO3)2 -
65.5% N2 H4 /F2
1.34 63.7
9% BaCl2 -
30% Ba(NO3)2 -
61% N2 H4 /F2
1.04 63.7
42.9% Ba(NO3)2 -
57.1% N2 H4 /F2
0.976 43.0
42.9% Ba(NO3)2 -
57.1% N2 H4 /OF2
0.694 46.9
26% BaCL2 -
74% N2 H4 /OF2
1.22 52.8
______________________________________
The conditions under which each of the combinations listed in Table I were tested were ambient and the percentage ionization was calculated by equations set forth in NASA Contract Report CR-1415 published in August 1969.
The chemical supplier and manufacturers stated purity for the various chemicals employed are set forth in Table II below:
______________________________________
Chemical
Supplier Purity
______________________________________
N2 H4
Olin Mathieson Chemical
Technical Grade
Company, Lake Charles,
97-98% N2 H4
Louisiana (2-3% H2 O)

NH3
Air Products and Chemicals
Technical Grade
Allentown, Pa.

BaCl2
J. T. Baker & Co. Reagent Grade
Phillipsburg, N.J.

Ba(NO3)2
J. T. Baker & Co. Reagent Grade
Phillipsburg, N.J.

F2 Air Products & Chemicals
98%
Allentown, Pa.
ClF3
Allied Chemical Co.
99.5%
Baton Rouge, La.
OF2
Allied Chemical Co.
98%
Baton Rouge, La.
______________________________________

A solubility study of various mixtures containing Ba(NO3)2, BaCl2 and N2 H4 was made at room temperature and is shown in the triangular plot of FIG. 2. Seven solutions that were used in the tests enumerated in Table I are indicated by reference letters in FIG. 2 as follows:
a. 16.7% BaCl2 - 83.3% N2 H4
b. 26% BaCl2 - 74% N2 H4
c. 21% BaCl2 - 9% Ba(NO3)2 - 70% N2 H4
d. 17% BaCl2 - 16% Ba(NO3)2 - 67% N2 H4
e. 13% BaCl2 -21.5% Ba(NO3)2 -65.5% N2 H4
f. 9% BaCl2 - 30% Ba(NO3)2 - 61% N2 H4
g. 42.9% Ba(NO3)2 - 57.1% N2 H4

A mixture below the Saturation Line, that is toward the Ba(NO3)2 or BaCl2 corners contained a solid and a solution phase whereas the salts were in complete solution above the saturation line.
All fuel mixtures or systems described were easily handled except the 50 percent Ba(NO3)2 -50 percent NH3 system. This system caused clogging of the feed valves due to precipitation of the Ba(NO3)2. In addition the light values obtained using this system was relatively low.
In testing of each of the fuel mixtures set forth in Table I the Ba° light was greater than the Ba+ light for a given oxidizer/fuel ratio in each of the mixtures. The maximum light occurred in all systems at a point located between the stoichiometric O/F and 3 percent less than the stoichiometric O/F. The stoichiometric O/F is defined as being equivalent to the oxidizer to fuel weight ratio in a balanced equation assuming the salt is converted to free Ba, F to HF, Cl to HCl and O to H2 O. For example, one system tested had an O/F ratio of 142 grams oxidizer per 100 grams fuel or 1.42/1.00. If the barium is assumed to be converted to BaF2 then the stoichiometric O/F is 1.47. Since the greatest light output in all cases occurred with O/F less than stoichiometric it is apparent that little of the Ba was combined as BaF2 or BaCl2. This was confirmed by spectrographic analysis.
In Table II the various systems are listed in decreasing light output or relative light intensity as measured by phototubes in millivolts, thereby indicating the relative barium yield.
TABLE III
__________________________________________________________
SYSTEM MAXIMUM RELATIVE
(percent weight for fuel)
INTENSITY, millivolts
Ba° 5535 A
Ba+ 4554 A
___________________________________________________________
17% BaCl2 -16% Ba(NO3)2 -67% N2 H4 /F2
27600
11800
13% BaCl2 -21.5% Ba(NO3)2 -65.5% N2 H4 /F2
23600
8340
21% BaCl2 -9% Ba(NO3)2 -70% N2 H4 /F2
20600
9100
9% BaCl2 -30% Ba(NO3)2 -61% N2 H4 /F2
16600
5970
26% BaCl2 -74% N2 H4 /F2
16600
6520
26% BaCl2 -74% N2 H4 /OF2
11800
2100
16.7% BaCl2 -83.3% N2 H4 /F2
9100 3350
42.9% Ba(NO3)2 -57.1% N2 H4 /F2
9000 1800
42.9% Ba(NO3)2 -57.1% N2 H4 /OF2
7300 1330
42.9% Ba(NO3)2 -57.1% N2 H4 /ClF3
663 94
50% Ba(NO3)2 -50% NH3 /ClF3
221 44
___________________________________________________________

From the above information, it is readily seen that the 17 percent BaCl2 -16 percent Ba(NO3)2 -67 percent N2 H4 /F2 system gave the greatest amount of light intensity of the 4554 A Ba+ and 5535 A Ba° spectral lines. Ambient tests showed that the optimum oxidizer to fuel ratio of this system was 1.32 to 1.00. This system containing 8.52 weight percent barium was estimated to be 68.1 percent ionized. Also since this system had the largest relative light intensity it would be expected to give the greatest amount of Ba° and Ba+ and would appear to be the optimum system for a barium payload. In all systems tested it was found that the relative light reached a maximum at the O/F corresponding to the stoichiometric equation yielding barium as one of the reaction products and that the relative light output was sensitive to the O/F. Moving to either side of the optimum O/F caused a sharp decrease in relative light.
In vacuum tests the ignition of each system tested was smooth and like the ambient tests, took place in the combustion chamber. The rapid expansion in vacuum caused a decreased atom and ion density in the luminous flame which caused the light intensity to be about 1/37 to 1/50 the intensity measured in ambient tests. The percentage ionization was approximately the same for vacuum and ambient tests.
The operation of the invention is now believed apparent. Initially, fuel tank 11 is charged with the fuel containing the desired quantity of dissolved barium salt and pressurized with helium. The fuel tank pressure may be in the range of 6.89 to 20.06 ¥ 105 Newton/meter2. Oxidizer tank 13 is also charged with the appropriate oxidizer and pressurized. Cryogenic oxidizers such as OF2 and F2 are condensed from gases in the closed oxidizer tank which must be maintained enclosed in a liquid nitrogen bath. The oxidizer feed valve 23 and conduit 19 must also be maintained at liquid nitrogen temperature with a liquid nitrogen jacket when employing a cryogenic oxidizer.
The noncryogenic oxidizer, ClF3, may be pressurized into the closed oxidizer tank 13 from a supply bottle with super dry nitrogen.
Combustion chamber 15 is formed of stainless steel, aluminum, or the like F2 compatible metals and is internally partitioned by the manifold, not shown. The conduits 17 and 19 terminate in a manifold having injector orifices (not shown) mounted 90° to each other within each end of chamber 15 and sized for pressure drops of 5.24 to 10.2 ¥ 105 Newton/meter2 across the orifice. Fuel and oxidizer flows are in the range of 2.05 to 6.82 Kg/sec each. The entire system is carried into the upper atmosphere or interplanetary space by rocket vehicle 10 where, in response to a suitable signal, timing mechanism or the like, valves 21 and 23 may be selectively opened and closed and the pressurized liquid fuel and oxidizer will flow through conduits 17 and 19 into combination unit 15. When the hypergolic liquids impinge upon each other, they spontaneously ignite to expel reaction product gases or plasma including the highly luminous barium neutral atoms and barium ions as individual species. All of the barium reaching the combustion chamber is vaporized and released through the opposite ends thereof so that a high yield efficiency is obtained. The resulting high flame temperature, approximately 4,000°K., and some as yet not determined chemical activation, produces a relatively large amount of barium ions in the flame which is a highly desirable condition. It has been estimated from spectroscopic measurements that the degree of ionization may be as high as 75 percent in the released plasma in comparison to being on the order of 1 percent for the previously used Ba-CuO solid system which depends almost entirely on solar photoionization, a time-dependent phenomena which further reduces the usable barium yield of this known system.
Thus, it is readily apparent that the present invention provides an inherently more efficient process of producing barium clouds wherein the degree of ionization in the released plasma is much greater. The selectively opening and closing of valves 21 and 23 gives the possibility of a payload with multiple releases permitted due to the start and stop capabilities of the liquid system. Also, the liquid system of the present invention gives the possibility of controlling rates so that a trailtype release can be obtained as well as a point-source type. In addition, the liquid system of the present invention effects the formation of barium atoms and ions at the time of combustion and expansion at high temperatures and results in little opportunity for the barium to condense during release.
There are obviously many variations and modifications to the present invention that will be readily apparent to those skilled in the art without departing from the spirit or scope of the disclosure or from the scope of the claims.
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Itistoolate  posted on  2012-08-21   22:00:28 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Itistoolate (#8)

Balderdash.

Trot me out ONE crew from any organization that can prove they have participated any high altitude spraying for any nefarious reason.

It would require thousands of flight and ground crews, surely one has come forward?

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-21   22:08:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#9)

Go ahead and DENY all those US Patents, you only make yourself look more idiotic with every reply.

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-08-21   22:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Itistoolate (#10)

Its...

No need to be personal about a negative opinion.

Is there ONE flight crew that has come forward with proof of what they are doing?

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-21   22:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#11)

Sure there is I have talked with them.

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-08-21   22:25:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Itistoolate (#12)

Well then that should be of help.

Are there public statements stating what they sprayed, where, and for what reason? It would be interesting to read who they are and what they did.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-21   22:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: wudidiz (#0)

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-08-24   14:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#1)

Nothing.

Exactly right.

When I was a kid the trucks would go by and spray for mosquitoes. All the kids would get in the spray and dance around. No one said a word to us.

I think it was DDT, which is harmless to people.

"Chemtrails." Sure, right.

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-08-24   15:30:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Turtle (#15)

In the military, we were "spraying" a whole lot of water for hours and days on end. At high altitude it followed us everywhere we went. Could not get away from it.

Descend to lower altitudes and it would disappear, simply amazing.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-24   15:47:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Itistoolate, 4 (#14)

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson

Lod  posted on  2012-08-24   16:10:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#5)

The entire concept is beyond imagination.

Whose imagination?


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-08-25   13:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Itistoolate, All (#18)


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-08-25   13:41:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: wudidiz (#18)

Whose imagination?

Mine...

I was around aviation for over thirty years, so from experience, such boggles my mind.

Drag out someone that will swear on a Bible they have been doing such nefarious deeds for lo these many years.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-25   13:45:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#16)

In the military, we were "spraying" a whole lot of water for hours and days on end. At high altitude it followed us everywhere we went. Could not get away from it.

Descend to lower altitudes and it would disappear, simply amazing.

Thing is Cyni, MOST people know the difference between contrails and CHEMTRAILS. They are not the same thing.

You DO know that what you're talking about is called a contrail, right?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-08-25   13:45:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#20)

Mine...

Well at least you have that much right :)


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-08-25   13:52:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: FormerLurker (#21)

I suspect we are all talking about the same thing, namely contrails, some have modified this by substituting chem for con.

I have no problem with anyone believing whatever they desire, however, surely they must be able to bring out people that have been spraying for so many years. There must be at least one.

I watched two years of spraying (seeding) fog in an experiment to try to precipitate it out as rain. After millions of dollars it was given up as a lost cause.

Worldwide spraying would require unlimited money and thousands of people involved. I see no credible person coming forward.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-25   13:56:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: wudidiz (#22)

wud...

I suspect I really have very few rights anymore.

The world was a better place before instant communications and world wide travel. A simple man could live his life as his own, that is no longer possible.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-25   13:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#24)

Whatever. It's still a good life. Thing is, the chemtrail operation is not beyond my imagination. The scope and magnitude is mind boggling, but I see it. I also see that you don't. That's why I'm telling you. I wish you were right about it. Sorry I don't have any willing "credible" witnesses for you at this moment.


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-08-25   14:19:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom, wudidiz, All (#23)

I suspect we are all talking about the same thing, namely contrails, some have modified this by substituting chem for con.

I grew up in the 60's and was very curious about jets in the sky. I'd often watch them as they left their vapor trails (contrails) which dissipated into blue skies, or even into skies not so blue as they traveled in and out of clouds.

I was stationed at a Marine Corps Air Station out in the desert for several years, and I'd quite often see our jets leaving contrails when they flew at high altitude.

I KNOW what a damn contrail is.

HOWEVER, since the mid-90's or so, I've noticed LOW ALTITUDE aircraft leaving THICK BILLOWING trails of something other than water vapor. I've ALSO seen the same thing coming out of medium and high altitude craft, where they purposely circle back and criss cross either their own path or that of their partner jets, as there are usually several of them working in teams.

Those trails do NOT dissipate normally, instead, they expand into large billows of oily vapor, and after a short period of time, turn the skies gray and hazy.

So no Cyni, those are NOT normal contrails. People call THOSE things CHEMTRAILS.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-08-25   14:46:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: FormerLurker (#26)

Thanks for a sane, insightful reply.

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-08-25   14:48:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: wudidiz (#25)

wud...

Over decades I came to use the 3P formula on such.

Possible....It is possible, yes.

Probable...No

Proof-positive...None

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-25   15:01:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#23) (Edited)

EMBARGOED: NOT FOR PUBLIC RELEASE BEFORE 5 P.M. EDT WEDNESDAY, MAY 14 [1997]

Cold War Chemical Tests Over American Cities Were Far Below Dangerous Levels

WASHINGTON -- A series of secret tests conducted by the U.S. Army in the 1950s and 1960s did not expose residents of the United States and Canada to chemical levels considered harmful, according to a new report* from a committee of the National Research Council.

The U.S. Army released the chemical compound zinc cadmium sulfide from airplanes, rooftops, and moving vehicles in 33 urban and rural areas as part of a Cold War program to test the way biological weapons might disperse under different conditions. Zinc cadmium sulfide, a fine fluorescent powder, was chosen because its particles are similar in size to germs used in biological warfare, and because its fluorescence under ultraviolet light made it easy to trace. It is not a biological weapon, nor was it thought at the time to be toxic. But residents in affected cities -- including Minneapolis; St. Louis; Winnipeg, Manitoba; Corpus Christi, Texas; and Fort Wayne, Ind. -- became concerned about possible health effects after details of the tests became widely known in the 1990s...

...In some cities the Army dispersed microorganisms -- either alone or in combination with zinc cadmium sulfide. Recent research indicates that the microbes used do not produce disease in healthy people, but could produce disease in people with weak immune systems. The committee was not asked to assess the possible health effects of these tests, nor was it asked to address the ethical and social issues raised by the testing program as a whole.

Of course it was safe. <./s>

I've seen the biowar maps, I grew up at ground zero of the tests in FTW. Both my older and younger sister suffered from brain tumors. Wanna guess what comes to my mind whenever I get a headache?

Cadmium is bad news. Cadmium MSDS [pdf]

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-08-25   15:13:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Esso (#29)

Nefarious governments?

Surely, but remember if it is factual that we have have endless world wide spraying, the people doing it are living on the same planet as the rest of us.

Breathing the same air, drinking the same water etc etc??????

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-25   18:15:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom, 4 (#30)

Breathing the same air, drinking the same water etc etc?

Much like their GMO for everything.

They don't give a shit.

Many of the true believers want all their families to die for the purity of mother earth.

They're certifiably insane.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson

Lod  posted on  2012-08-25   18:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#30)

Certainly the low-level grunts doing the dirty work are convinced that it's safe and their "Patriotic Duty" and "for the good of the country and flag" (like voting).

As for the rest of it, I can't explain it (insanity maybe).

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-08-25   18:30:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Lod (#31)

They're certifiably insane.

That seems to be the only logical explanation.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-08-25   18:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Lod, Phant2000 (#31)

The main question is, will man live long enough on earth to export human life to other planets?

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-25   18:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#34)

The OPs (other planets) should hope the hell not.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson

Lod  posted on  2012-08-25   18:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Lod, Esso (#35)

Sir Lod/Esso...

If you have never read.."The Case for Mars", by Robert Zubrin, I highly recommend it.

It will be the most enlightening book you have read in years. The future of Earth and Mars is all there, written from the view of an engineer. Not some pulp writer.

If either of you care to read, I will gladly send my copy, free and post paid for your perusal.

It is written in laymans language. I still visit it on occasion.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-25   18:49:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Cynicom (#36)

.."The Case for Mars", by Robert Zubrin..

If either of you care to read, I will gladly send my copy, free and post paid for your perusal.

Thanks, but I'll have my wife pick it up at the library. I already paid for that copy (if you know what I mean). Did a quick look at Amazon's preview, it looks interesting.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-08-25   19:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Lod (#35)

The OPs (other planets) should hope the hell not.

It'd probably be OK if the emmigration is kept jew/zio-free.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-08-25   19:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Itistoolate (#27)

You're welcome IATL, always happy to help out.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-08-25   20:35:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom (#5)

Most people do not buy into the "spraying" idea.

The entire concept is beyond imagination.

I used to think something along the same lines... Then I watched the geo/climate engineering summit. I did not even know this thing existed.... I think I watched it here. In fact I know I did somewhere here....

No it is all very real....

Some act under government direction....That is the evil you can see track and fight.

Then some assholes lonewolf it. They are impossible to stop yet easy to exact revenge upon.

www.energydigital.com/gre...geoengineering-experiment

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-11-24   21:45:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: FormerLurker (#26) (Edited)

HOWEVER, since the mid-90's or so, I've noticed LOW ALTITUDE aircraft leaving THICK BILLOWING trails of something other than water vapor. I've ALSO seen the same thing coming out of medium and high altitude craft, where they purposely circle back and criss cross either their own path or that of their partner jets, as there are usually several of them working in teams.

I've also noticed this in my area. There were lots of this reported in L.A. as well.

I can tell the difference between contrails and chemtrails and what I've been noticing is that contrails leave a straight white billowing path which disappears within a few minutes. However, the other kind of trails I've noticed are heavier leaving a thick almost pinkish smog-like trail that spreads long and wide and stays in the atmosphere for several hours.

purplerose  posted on  2012-11-24   22:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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