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Title: Witching for Water
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Published: Aug 29, 2012
Author: David Mercer
Post Date: 2012-08-29 10:04:08 by Lod
Keywords: When, It, Twitches,, Drill
Views: 224
Comments: 15

By DAVID MERCER Associated Press

(AP:CHAMPAIGN, Ill.) Well driller Randy Gebke usually uses a geology database and other high-tech tools to figure out where to sink new water wells for clients. But if asked, he'll grab two wires, walk across the property, waiting for the wires to cross to find a place to drill.

Gebke is water witching, using an ancient method with a greater connection to superstition than science.

Thousands of wells have gone dry this summer in the worst drought the nation has experienced in decades. Some homeowners are spending as much as $30,000 to have new ones drilled, and Gebke said most potential customers in his area expect water witching to be part the deal.

"Over 50 percent of the time in that conversation, they ask do we have a witcher on the crew," he said. "And my response is, `We have a witcher on every crew.'"

Water witching, also called divining or dowsing, goes back to before the Middle Ages and involves using a forked stick, metal rod or piece of wire that mysteriously points to water underground. While scientists and professional groups say there is no evidence witching works, some well drillers say it usually does.

"I'm a wire man. ... I use two wires, and when they cross, that's where the water usually is," said Gebke, 56, the general manager of Kohnen Concrete Products in Germantown, Ill.

Doc McClanahan, 46, who owns Doc's Well & Pump Service in Farmington, Mo., quietly acknowledged that he too will witch for water if a customer asks. He favors wild cherry branches for their flexibility and, though he says he has no idea how witching works, insists it can.

"You kind of get a feel for it," McClanahan said. "It'll twist in your hand."

Cherry is a common choice, Gebke said, but no one chooses willow.

"That pulls toward dog squat," he said, laughing at the thought of looking for water and finding a pile of something unwanted instead.

The National Groundwater Association, a trade group for well drillers, has officially disavowed witching as "totally without scientific merit."

And scientists who specialize in water are, at best, skeptical.

"I'm not going to dispute it because you hear too many stories," said Mark Basch, a hydrologist who is head of the Indiana Department of Natural Resources. But, he said, there's no scientific explanation for it, "not in any of the books I read in school."

Witching is an old practice. The U.S. Geological Survey, in a pamphlet on the subject, says cave paintings found in North Africa from 6,000 to 8,000 years ago show someone who appears to be witching for water. A German book on mining from the 1500s references the practice.

But while witching was common in Europe in the Middle Ages, the Christian church condemned the practice as the work of Satan. Even an 1861 Ohio Supreme Court decision found that the way water flows underground was too big a mystery, too "secret and occult," to be subject to law.

Jon Jung had never seen water witching until early August, when he hired the company Gebke works for to drill a well for a home he has planned near Mascoutah, Ill. He said two men went separately into the woods with branches from a wild cherry tree and determined where the well should be dug.

"I didn't know what to think, I was just hoping they were right," the 40-year-old Jung said.

His well has been productive, and while Jung has no idea how witching works, he wasn't surprised that it seemed to.

"All the old-timers talk about it, they swear by it," he said.

For others, the idea still seems a little odd. James Dooley's family has been in the well-drilling business in the past, and he relies on a well for all his water.

But if someone offered to dowse for water on his property in Leavenworth, Ind., "I don't know what I'd think," the 26-year-old said. "I'd think they'd probably be a little crazy. ... I just don't see it happening."

Gebke understands the skepticism, and he makes a point of saying he's a serious well driller, with decades of experience, service in professional groups and training at seminars and conferences. But he's convinced water witching works, and he tells a favorite story to support his belief.

About 20 years ago in the area where he lives and works, a church that needed a new well hired an engineer, who directed drillers to try one spot after another. None yielded enough water.

So, an old witcher was called to come over from a local nursing home.

"He hung his (witching rod) out of a pickup and they drove him around," Gebke said. "He said stop right here."

And there, Gebke said, they hit water.

The U.S. Geological Survey pamphlet doesn't exactly say witching doesn't work, but it suggests many success stories are probably the result of "finding" water in areas where it would be harder to miss than hit.

Even McClanahan notes that what no one hears about from witchers are the misses.

"You drill down and get all kinds of water and you think you're a genius," McClanahan said. "You tend to forget the 99 times you didn't get any water."

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#1. To: Lod (#0) (Edited)

I prefer to call it dowsing. Three of us tried it to see what we would come up with before drilling a well. All three of us kept coming back to the same spot. The well-driller didn't believe in dowsing but he dug where we told him and at 210 feet he came up with 50-60 gallons a minute [he hit water at least a hundred feet earlier, but kept drilling to be sure], the driller's best hit all year. The poor guy just over the ridge dug one dry well at 500-plus feet and gets 1 gallon per minute at 250 [same driller]. We used brass rods, but my father used to use apple sticks.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-08-29   10:31:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lod (#0)

About 20 years ago in the area where he lives and works, a church that needed a new well hired an engineer, who directed drillers to try one spot after another. None yielded enough water.

So, an old witcher was called to come over from a local nursing home.

"He hung his (witching rod) out of a pickup and they drove him around," Gebke said. "He said stop right here."

And there, Gebke said, they hit water.

One of my ancestors was one of those dowsers who got calls from all over his state.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-08-29   10:35:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Lod (#0)

I can do it, it works.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-29   10:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Cynicom, Dowsers, 4 (#2)

It's real and it really works -

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson

Lod  posted on  2012-08-29   11:00:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#3)

I believe you; but I also believe that it's the reaction of the wands to the presence of water, and not so much the operator.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson

Lod  posted on  2012-08-29   11:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Lod (#4) (Edited)

Thanks! We might have to dig another well soon [different property], and this gives me even more confidence that our success the first time wasn't just a fluke.

Our rods looked like those in the video, but they had much shorter "handles".

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-08-29   11:08:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom, lod (#3)

Some do it for gold too.

They use a pendulum over a map, then they go out and look for it. They say it works. I don't know. Would be interesting to try.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-08-29   11:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#3)

"I can do it, it works. "

Same here.

"If we don’t adhere to the Constitution on matters as significant as presidential eligibility, then the Constitution ceases to be a meaningful document for guiding our nation."

ndcorup  posted on  2012-08-29   12:07:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, water seekers, 4 (#6)

Straighten a shirt hanger and run it through a handle (paper towel tube, toilet paper tube, PVC, anything I guess), cut the hanger to leave 10-12" on both ends of the handle, bend each side at 90 degrees and you have a simple dowsing tool.

Amaze your family and friends.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson

Lod  posted on  2012-08-29   12:08:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#3)

I can do it, it works.

My son-in-law is good with this. He found a couple of long-lost sprinkler lines on our property with dowsing rods that I made out of heavy copper grounding wire.

Some folks have the knack.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-08-29   12:53:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#3)

I can do it, it works.

I'm going to need a new well. Come on ever, you're hired. :)


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Critter  posted on  2012-08-29   12:57:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Critter, 4 (#11)

maybe we can find ghosts, also - from dowsing commentary -

Okay try this...make you a pair of dowsing rods from coat hangers. Take soda straws and cut them to the length of the bottom pieces. Use them to separate you from the metal. They will now swing freely. Take your set up and walk somewhere towards a known water or sewer line and observe what happens. If that doesn't make you a believer take your set up to a cemetery and walk toward and over a grave. The rods will cross while over a grave. If that doesn't flip your wig then I can't help ya.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson

Lod  posted on  2012-08-29   13:10:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Lod (#5)

I believe you; but I also believe that it's the reaction of the wands to the presence of water, and not so much the operator.

I was a doubter until many years ago , a friend had a chance to buy a house and few acres cheap. The property had a spring which went dry every summer. Several wells had been drilled at great expense, all dry holes.

My Grandfather was a "dowser". The friend asked him to check out the property for water, before he bought. Grandfather checked all over the place, not a twitch, nothing.

They were giving up when he decided they had not checked close to the house, real close. He was within six feet of the house when he got an abnormal strong twitch. His opinion, it was 75 feet down and would be all the water they would ever need.

They bought the property on that opinion.

The rig was so close it cracked the foundation and cellar wall while drilling. At about 70feet they hit a gusher that flows without a pump. It still does and that was about 50 years ago.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-29   13:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Lod (#5)

I believe you; but I also believe that it's the reaction of the wands to the presence of water, and not so much the operator.

Possible but consider this.

If it is the water then you are correct, however I can find drainage pipes underground that are dry. Also I can find electrical and gas service lines, no water involved.

It is electrical in nature, for some reason those things underground disturbs the magnetic field and the wands or branches detect it.

With two wands, the force that changes their direction is very strong, they twist in my hands.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-08-29   13:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#14)

I like your thought about the magnetic/electric field - makes sense to me.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson

Lod  posted on  2012-08-29   13:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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