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Title: How 9/11 Was Done
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URL Source: http://physics911.net/how-911-was-done/
Published: Sep 3, 2012
Author: http://physics911.net/how-911-was-done/
Post Date: 2012-09-03 14:09:24 by tom007
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Views: 18705
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How 9/11 Was Done

For additional notes see the accompanying blog 911notes.blogspot.com. Prologue

Read the following two screens of text to learn what happened at 9/11.

9/11 was a master plot, concocted by a handfull of Israelis and dual passport Americans and carried out by the resources of the Mossad.

Larry Silverstein leases a nearly worthless dinosaur WTC building complex (worthless due to the asbestos the buildings were stuffed with and needed to be cleaned up, the cost of which may have rivaled the value of the buildings themselves) weeks before 9/11, makes sure it is over insured against terrorist acts and hires an Israeli security firm. From that moment on the coast is clear to let a team of demolition experts from the Israeli army led by Peer Segalovitz into the WTC buildings. These charges plus detonators had been prepared at the premises of the Urban Moving Systems company, a Mossad front. During the weeks before 9/11 these prepared charges were loaded into vans, driven into the basements of WTC Twin Towers next to the elevator shaft, unloaded into the elevator, and lifted onto the roof of the elevator through the opening in the elevator ceiling. Next the elevator moved from floor to floor while charges where being attached to the columns as displayed in this video from 0:22 onwards. The detonators of these charges were radiographic controlled and finally detonated from WTC7 on the day of 9/11.

Fast backward, Hamburg 54 Marienstrasse, july 2000, 22:40. Mohamed Atta, Al Shehhi and Jarrah (who were later blamed of being the pilots of flight 11, 175 and 93 respectively), who share the apartment hear the ringing of the door bell. Jarrah opens the door, 5 masked men make their way into the apartment with drawn pistols. The 3 Arabs are forced to lay on the ground. Their passports are confiscated, next the 3 men are made unconscious with some liquid and strangled to death afterwards. The bodies are carried out of the apartment into a van and driven off towards a desolate spot at the boarding of the Elbe river outside Hamburg, 1 kilometer north of Borstel and disposed of into the river with a bag filled with stones tied to their feet. The 3 passports are now in the possession of the agents of the Mossad, who carried out the raid on the apartment and 3 Arabs have vanished without anybody knowing that they are dead. Not long after the raid the 3 passports are given to 3 Israeli agents who were selected on having some resemblance with the 3 Arabs just killed. They make for America soon afterwards in the summer of 2000 and start laying a trail at flight schools, posing with the stolen identities from the 3 Arabs killed.

Years earlier the israeli Michael Goff working for PTech, an Arab owned software company that develops key enterprise software for many government institutions like NORAD and FAA, using his secure channel with another israeli Amit Yoran, somehow manages to give Israeli army computer programmers access to this critical computer code. It was due to this manipulation that the hijackings on 9/11 remained unnoticed by the flight controller of NORAD. Once this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center.

The hijacking of airliners by remote control had been tested as a dress rehearsal for 9/11 on the Egypt Air flight 990 that crashed into the Atlantic on October 31, 1999.

Now everything was in place to commit the crime of the century. On the day of 9/11 the Israeli stand-ins for the ‘Arab hijackers’ showed up at the predestined departure airports to make sure they were captured on surveillance camera’s. The crucial point here is that the security at both the departure airports was in hands of an Israeli firm Huntleigh-USA, a subsidiary of the Dutch based but Israeli owned ICTS led by a fellow named Menahem Atzmon. And this is crucial: Atzmon used to be a colleague of Olmert in 1998. So there you have the link between the 9/11 operative level (an airport security firm) and the highest level of Israeli politics. What happened on the morning of 9/11 was that after the Israeli stand-ins were captured on camera, they left the airport via a side entrance and the show could begin. Minutes after the planes became air born somebody somehow was able to send a signal to the planes, causing the control panels to be disabled and the flight destination altered. What happened was that an anti-hijack system was activated (code word ‘home run’) and the regular pilot was put out of control. This pilot will probably have tried frantically to regain control of his aircraft. It is not very likely he will have told his passengers about the new situation since that would only cause panic. The passengers probably suspected nothing and hence had no reason to make any phone calls to their relatives (which were not possible anyway). And while the 9/11 passengers unsuspecting travel towards their immanent deaths, on the ground from a war room Israeli agents carry out phone calls to relatives of the passengers that were still in the air, using voice morphing technology and caller-ID spoofing and thus planted the Arabs-did-it-deception in the public consciousness. The sound samples necessary to carry out the fake telephone calls had been obtained via the israeli infiltration of American telephone networks by Israeli firms like Amdocs and Verint. By the time that the passengers were puzzled as they discerned the New York sky line it was already too late.

Meanwhile on the other side of the Hudson river the members of the Israeli team that planted the demolition charges were waiting for things to happen. And while the rest of New York experienced in horror the events that were unfolding that day, the demolition experts were celebrating and high-fiving. The plot had worked out magnificently.

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Core Argument

Ok, I admit. Some elements in this story are speculative. I do not know for instance if Atta was killed in Germany or in America. But the story is an coherent educated speculation. It is an attempt to reconstruct the events of 9/11. Myriads of web sites exist that expose the inconsistencies in the official story, that obviously is a fraud. This story offers an integral explanation of what could have happened and in all likelihood more or less did happen at 9/11 as there can be hardly any doubt about who was behind 9/11 if one rejects the official story. Some elements remain vague, like what happened exactly to WTC7, flight77, flight93 or Mohamed Atta. But these questions are of academic interest only. It’s clear who was behind 9/11 and what happened in detail with WTC-1/2 and the planes. That is enough. Here’s where most people got killed. The rest of the plot can be uncovered by a tribunal.

In order to prevent that you get swallowed up by yet another 10 meters of screen text here is the core of the argument. The story is based on 2 broadly accepted postulates:

1) WTC was brought down by controlled demolition 2) The ‘dancing Israelis’ on the morning of 9/11 had foreknowledge of things to come

These 2 premises are enough to put the Official Conspiracy Theory (Arabs did it) out of business.

Premise 2 leads to the preliminary conclusion that the Israelis had foreknowledge because they organized the attacks themselves. Since Israelis are not known to commit suicide attacks we have to assume that the airplanes that crashed into their destinations were remote controlled. If one accepts this as a working hypothesis than there is a lot, I mean really a lot, of material that supports this Israeli Conspiracy Theory that replaces the official Arab Conspiracy Theory. We have the dedicated Zionist Silverstein who leases the WTC complex and over insures it against terrorism (leading to a hansom profit); we know that security at all departure airports and ‘arrival airports’ (WTC) was in Israeli hands (Huntleigh-USA and Kroll Associates, resp.); we know that the owner of Huntleigh-USA, Menachem Atzmon, a convicted criminal, had strong ties to Ehud Olmert, that is the highest level of Israeli politics; we also know that the Israeli secret service can eavesdrop on virtually everybody in the USA via Israeli owned companies like Amdocs and Verint which gave the Mossad the possibility to obtain sound samples of future 9/11 passengers to apply voice morphing to in order to make the fake phone calls on 9/11. And of course there is Dov Zakheim, the real mastermind of 9/11 who was CEO of SPC for 4 years prior to 9/11, a company that produces systems for remote control of airplanes. The same Zakheim that was a member of the Zionist dominated PNAC group, that more or less plotted for a global American empire, and suggested that a ‘New Pearl Harbor‘ (page 51) could speed things up a bit; and finally the same Zakheim that 6 months before 9/11 became supervisor of a group of Pentagon comptrollers that had to sort out what had happened to the 2.3 trillion dollars that were missing from the Pentagon books; many of these comptrollers conveniently got killed on 9/11 and much of the financial data went with them. This is the core of the story.

Note: I am not claiming that 9/11 is solved. Of this however we can be certain: WTC controlled demolition, Israelis carried out the operation, no Arab hijackers, mastermind Zakheim, motive PNAC & Clean Break and remote control. I do not care about flight77 or 93, those are details to be solved by crime investigators. The most pressing question is that of remote control: how was that done? Were the original flights 11 and 175 remote controlled themselves or was there a plane swap as some have suggested, including Bollyn?

Disclaimer: nobody is guilty until convicted by a court of law. This blog’s intent is to stimulate thinking about 9/11 from a different angle than the official one. From day one the blame has been put at bin Laden and his people without real evidence. Today bin Laden is no longer persecuted for 9/11 according to the FBI website. The theory proposed here might be true or false or contain some truth. In the end it must be an official investigation that determines who is guilty and who is not. This blog is dedicated to Italian ex-president Cossiga who is the highest ranking statesman to date who has openly stated that it was the Mossad who has carried out the 9/11 attacks.

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You see GL, I might SUGGEST and HYPOTHESIZE that a nerve agent or some other sort of incapacitating gas was used to neutralize the crew and passengers, allowing for the actual airliners to be flown to secure locations either remotely or by an individual onboard who had a gas mask.

Thing is, I don't stomp my feet and cry if people don't jump on the bandwagon and agree with me, and I don't claim to KNOW for a fact that is what actually DID happen.

I simply state that it MAY have happened, and that it is quite possible that it could have been done that way.

See the difference between that and what you're saying, where you have almost some sort of religious belief that it HAD to have happened the way you say, where there were no planes involved in the attacks and that it was all produced in a studio ahead of time, and that every single person who witnessed the events is in on the conspiracy.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-11   21:05:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you really think it's possible to fly those maneuvers by remote control?

Using a cruise missile, it wouldn't have to be remote control.

Are we in agreement then that the alleged plane manuevers at the Pentagon couldn't have been flown by remote control?

Edited the question for clarity.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-11   21:19:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Explain to me ONE actual piece of evidence that proves no planes hit the towers. I'll be waiting...

"The burden of proof isn't really on No Planes researchers to prove a negative 4 times. Nevertheless, that nearly impossible mathematical feat has already been demonstrated many times, here and elsewhere, for those willing to review the technical analysis of Videographers as well as that of Architects and Engineers, etc. Perhaps you're under your mistaken impression because of G.W. Bush's ploy to invade Iraq by demanding evidence of non-existent WMDs there. The burden of proof about planes is on those making the assertions of planes -- the government and those like you who extrapolate from it." ~ GreyLmist

wudidiz  posted on  2012-09-11   22:56:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

wud...

I have a theory that it was flying telephone poles that did it.

Am looking to recruit some "experts" with PHDs to agree and take up the cause.

Look for a book later.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-11   23:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

NBC/CNN/Fox didn't plan the 9/11 wargames. NORAD (along with certain key civilian and military planners) did.

So? The Military conducts wargames often. Red Team, Blue Team and what have you -- with or without civilian participation.

As far as Flight 93, if my hypothesis that a chemical agent such as nerve gas was used to incapacitate the crews of the other "hijacked" aircraft, perhaps the gas failed to release properly and didn't reach the cabin, thus requiring some "intervention" on the part of Cheney to order a shoot down so as to hide any evidence of what had actually gone on.

The Military doesn't take their orders from Vice Presidents and alleged Flt. 93 had already nosedived into the ground in that part of the scenario, before the supposed "shootdown order" by Cheney. If you think the Military wouldn't have known at the time that alleged Flt. 93 wasn't still flying, think again. They don't really need the FAA to tell them stuff like that.

Timeline for the day of the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia

10:10 to 10:15 (approximately): Vice President Cheney, unaware that Flight 93 has crashed, authorizes fighter aircraft to engage the inbound plane, reported to be 80 miles (129 km) from Washington, based not on radar (from which it has disappeared) but speed and trajectory projections.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-12   0:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your little GIF file tells a lie, in that the outer shell of the WTC towers was made of ALUMINUM, NOT STEEL.

From World Trade Center Construction

After the steel structure was in place, the crew attached the outer "skin" to the perimeter -- anodized aluminum, pre-cut into large panels.

So are you willing to admit that the person who created that GIF file is lying and misleading his audience, and that you shouldn't try to use that as "evidence" of what it is you're selling here?

Are you joking? The WTC buildings were made of steel by the tons. Are you insinuating that a thin, aluminum veneer means they weren't steel structures?; or that anodized aluminum would make it so an aluminum plane could possibly melt through the steely structure like the ABC "Butter Plane"? I hope not.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-12   1:43:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You see GL, I might SUGGEST and HYPOTHESIZE that a nerve agent or some other sort of incapacitating gas was used to neutralize the crew and passengers, allowing for the actual airliners to be flown to secure locations either remotely or by an individual onboard who had a gas mask.

Thing is, I don't stomp my feet and cry if people don't jump on the bandwagon and agree with me, and I don't claim to KNOW for a fact that is what actually DID happen.

I simply state that it MAY have happened, and that it is quite possible that it could have been done that way.

See the difference between that and what you're saying, where you have almost some sort of religious belief that it HAD to have happened the way you say, where there were no planes involved in the attacks and that it was all produced in a studio ahead of time, and that every single person who witnessed the events is in on the conspiracy.

As I'm sure you know, it is not quite possible for the alleged plane maneuvers at the Pentagon to have been flown by remote control. Your own ground effect analysis should confirm that for you.

The first part of your second paragraph sounds somewhat similar to the Republican thugs' demeaning, hissy-fit projections onto Ron Paul supporters who objected at all to being belittled, berated, steamrolled, disenfranchised, and otherwise assaulted with abusive maltreatment.

Some sort of religious belief? I don't know what you're talking about but you're putting way too much emphasis on alleged witnesses. You do realize, don't you, that they didn't all describe seeing or hearing planes?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-12   2:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Name me any law of physics that backs up your allegations. That, and provide ANY evidence of what you claim. You know, witnesses, actual video proving no plane hit, etc.

< crickets chirping >

I'm still waiting....

Every law of physics backs up my allegations, afaik. The remote control theory not so much. It's not my job to provide you with a Unification Theory of 9/11 and No Planes Research because you don't want to do the homework yourself and haven't even been interested enough in topics here to be up to speed on it, although I did post an actual video gif for you from ABC which you scourged for no good reason, imo. While I'm waiting for your replies, I'll post this:

Holmgren and Reynolds on No Planes on 911 - Exposing the Illusion

By Ronald Bleier

December 2006

In [Gerard] Holmgren’s view, the perpetrators had to weigh the dangers inherent in their two main options: either use real passenger planes or use missiles (or some other similar method or combination of methods of creating an explosion) and convince people that the missiles were planes.

In the missile-not-planes scenario, Holmgren suggests that there are two things that could go wrong. The first problem is that witnesses would say (as they did in reality) that they didn’t see a plane involved in the first strike. Holmgren suggests that this problem was easily countered in part because there was only an 18-minute window between the first hit at 8:46 and the second at 9:03 when everyone saw "a big jet live on TV." Most witnesses who said they didn’t see a plane strike the North Tower were effectively intimidated or ignored.

According to Holmgren, in the brief period between the two strikes, there was only one witness who said he saw a large jet strike the North Tower, "and that just happened to be the vice prez of CNN…" Thus the problem of "contrary witnesses [turned out to be] a minor inconvenience…easily overcome with good planning."

The other problem that Holmgren imagines to the missile scenario is that someone "might look at the videos and see what’s actually there.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-12   3:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

wud...

I have a theory that it was flying telephone poles that did it.

Am looking to recruit some "experts" with PHDs to agree and take up the cause.

Look for a book later.

So, after attempting to chastise me your offering above is what supposedly constitutes polite and reasoned debate?

In the thread that I referenced in my inline link you wrote: "One has to be realistic, the government could care less and if per chance this Pandoras box should be opened again, they will provide "experts" by the dozens to refute everything."

To which I replied, "So, you are saying that govt can find physicists to refute known physical laws by which all real world endeavors are bound?"

And you dared to lecture me on "keeping it impersonal" ostensibly to avoid offending your Pollyanna sensibilities when in light of the above post that was so obviously not your goal at all.

Pray tell, how do you reconcile that with your post to wud which was intended to ridicule him for daring to make an affirmative assertion when you have no intelligent followup question but only a silly, punitive question intended to squelch the subject at issue?

And, by what logic is my question to you (which could be answered with a "Yes" or "No" by an intellectually honest person) bad form in light of your insulting post to wud?

Again you've been caught trying to squelch this debate and you didn't even ask a question, instead posting only childish (as in second childhood) nonsense.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2012-09-12   3:34:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hound...

Debate?????

By whom and where?

I love good, intellectual, honest, civil debate.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-12   3:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

For starters, for your "idea" to be feasible, ALL network news stations, foreign news crews, and any bystander who happened to be looking at the towers would ALL had to have decided beforehand that they were going to hoodwink the world and produce the biggest fraudulent story of all time.

You can start by telling me how these "news guys" had control of the population of New York City in order for everyone and anyone who witnessed the events to fall in line with their bogus video.

You can also tell me HOW honest news reporters and camera men could be made to go along with such a lie.

Incredible claims require incredibile evidence.

It is not an incredible claim to state planes hit the towers, because that is what people saw, and what news cameras recorded. It IS an incredible claim to state that nothing like that actually happened, that is was all faked.

I think I already addressed all that at Post #212. The Official 9/11 Mythology, remote control, one or more cruise missles are all more incredible claims, imo, than CGI and filtered witnesses -- which is the "Occam's Razor" with the least risk factor of something going amiss but here's a link and excerpt for you to consider:

The 9- 11 Files No planes

A cast of thousands, hundreds or even dozens was not needed to to pull off this media deception.

All that was needed were the news directors at the top networks to do what they were told, a few actors at the scene to play at being eye witnesses, and a dime- a-dozen video editor to re-work the "live" footage so that it shows "reality" the way the conspirators wanted it to be shown.

Edited for punctuation and spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-12   3:57:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hound...

Debate?????

By whom and where?

I love good, intellectual, honest, civil debate.

More of you insults I see.

You know, if I examined this place and found it so wanting as you seem to have done, I think I'd find another place that's worthy of my lofty gift.

But, who are we kidding? It is YOU who is hanging on by your fingernails here. Of course there's always room for silly, one dimensional posts from a less fortunate soul. But no one will criticize them until you find your own thread derailing weapon turned on you.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2012-09-12   4:05:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Care to explain how those external fireballs were created, or were those "fake" too?

How about the entrance holes, were they ALSO faked? Was the smoke faked?

Were there even any explosives used, or were those fake too? Maybe the towers simply fell on their own, right?

I mentioned at post #164 that the WTC was demolished by controlled demolition, whether that was by conventional explosives (ex: WTC 7), unconventional methods, or a combination of both. You mentioned (at Post #150) people jumping out of the Towers. Early on and through the years, I did extensive research on the Art Students in-residence at the Towers leading up to 9/11. There was an example that I've posted before -- maybe at this forum too -- of a fake-jumper hoax some time before 9/11. I think that was also staged in New York City but I'd have to check to be sure. In this 9/11 video at 7:16, there's an alleged jumper falling behind a building. Could be a stuntman falling onto a big cushion, for all we know, so yes, I think it's possible that could be faked Hollywood-style. Yes, I think the entrance holes and fireballs could have been rigged as well. Little to no smoke damage at the Towers is one of the issues that I listed as an anomaly and you hopscotched over, then misconstrued later.

And BTW, care to post anything from Architects and Engineers for Truth which states there were no aircraft involved in the 9/11 attacks?

I read and listen to Architects & Engineers for their Physics and scientific analysis (except for their incorporation of Steven E. Jones' thermitic mantra, which has chain of evidence problems, imo) not their Pop-Culture opinionations about 9/11 aircraft.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-12   5:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I can kind of see how he may have thunk up his flying telephone poles theory and might not have been kidding about it 100% on account of this:

Path Of Hurricane Erin September 2001 9/11 Coincidence(?)

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-12   5:26:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I can kind of see how he may have thunk up his flying telephone poles theory

Grey...

Young man, I never had an original thot, ever, in my head.

On the contrary if you look back quite a few years, during the Viet Nam war, "flying telephone poles" were in the news every day for years on end.

The correct name for them was "SAMS", surface to air missiles, used by the communists to shoot down our aircraft. Our pilots named them flying telephone poles because that is what they looked like from the air.

I believe even olde John McCain was shot down by one.

So you see, I did not thunk up anything, nor try to lead anyone astray.

Good heavens no.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-12   9:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

wud...

I have a theory that it was flying telephone poles that did it.

Am looking to recruit some "experts" with PHDs to agree and take up the cause.

Look for a book later.

Cyni,

I suggest you find some evidence for that first.

In the meantime, I'll wait for the movie.

wudidiz  posted on  2012-09-12   9:52:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In the meantime, I'll wait for the movie.

Good morning young man...

Hold it, right there.

Book always afore the movie, dont rush things.

I told Grey this morning that he was prolly tooooo young to recall flying telephone poles, maybe same with you????

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-12   9:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Good morning young man...

Hold it, right there.

Book always afore the movie, dont rush things.

I told Grey this morning that he was prolly tooooo young to recall flying telephone poles, maybe same with you????

:) Good morning

Of course flying telephones is before my time, but I know what you mean now.

wudidiz  posted on  2012-09-12   10:20:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

every single person who witnessed the events is in on the conspiracy

There's a conspiracy?

How many people would need to be involved to fake a video?

Who are these "eyewitnesses" of which you speak?

If a detective is to make a case, does he not need some fucking evidence?

Where is it? Have you seen it? Can you post it here?

wudidiz  posted on  2012-09-12   10:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Here's your stupid evidence:

Yeah. That's it.

wudidiz  posted on  2012-09-12   10:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Are we in agreement then that the alleged plane manuevers at the Pentagon couldn't have been flown by remote control?

I wouldn't use the word "couldn't". I'd say it's unlikely, but I wouldn't rule it out. It's more likely though that it was flown just as other cruise missiles are flown.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   11:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The burden of proof isn't really on No Planes researchers

So if I say there isn't any such thing as an atom, because I've never seen one, I don't have to prove it, right?

BTW, you're using a fraudulent premise in the animated GIF you posted, as I already explained to GreyLmist. The outer shell of the WTC was made of aluminium, not steel.

So your "evidence" relies on false information. Why do you need to lie wud? Have any information that ISN'T false concerning your theory?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   11:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So? The Military conducts wargames often. Red Team, Blue Team and what have you -- with or without civilian participation.

You are claiming the news media (and bystanders) staged the 9/11 attacks. Did they also setup those wargames in order to provide cover for the attacks, in your opinion?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   11:16:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Timeline for the day of the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia

10:10 to 10:15 (approximately): Vice President Cheney, unaware that Flight 93 has crashed, authorizes fighter aircraft to engage the inbound plane, reported to be 80 miles (129 km) from Washington, based not on radar (from which it has disappeared) but speed and trajectory projections.

Now you're relying on Wikipedia for your timeline? So you're claiming that Flight 93 WASN'T shot down, and that they did the "Let's Roll" thing and fought those damn Arabs flying the plane, causing it to crash?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   11:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Are you joking? The WTC buildings were made of steel by the tons.

The CORE was steel, the FLOORS were concrete supported by steel, but the exterior skin was made of ALUMINUM and glass. Got a problem with that?

Sure there were steel columns, but between those column was ALUMINUM. What it comes down to is that the outer walls were NOT solid steel.

As far as an object travelling at high velocity, have you ever shot a gun? Lead is softer than steel, yet a high power rifle bullet such as a .308 will slice through steel as if it were butter.

So no, it's not physically impossible for a high speed massive object to slice through glass, aluminum, and SOME steel columns.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   11:27:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You do realize, don't you, that they didn't all describe seeing or hearing planes?

Many of them did. As far as who is starting to sound like who, it sounds like you are trying to detract from SCIENTIFIC and FACTUAL evidence, and toss in enough confusion and unsubstantiated claims to drive people away from who was actually behind the attacks.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   11:30:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Every law of physics backs up my allegations, afaik.

Now you're just tossing out any ole shit to see what sticks.

You claim "every law of physics" backs up your allegations. Do you even KNOW any laws of physics? Give me ONE example using the laws of physics to back up your allegations.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   11:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Here's your stupid evidence:

Evidence of what? Nothing proving what you claim exists in the footage you posted. So what's your point?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   11:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So your "evidence" relies on false information. Why do you need to lie wud? Have any information that ISN'T false concerning your theory?

You should not call wud a liar.

You should just look at the cold hard evidence bit by bit, point by point , critical individual component by individual critical component.

The remains of the alleged four planes were never recovered for reassembly... when TWA 800 went down over water damn near every piece was fished out.

Why is that the remains of four planes do not add up to the mass of one whole plane? Then to get really technical their is the whole luggage, people, black box aspect....

AND

Did you know you can not lose US planes in US air space? That is correct it was impossible in 2001 and it is still impossible today... Like a physical impossibility thanks to the structure of the air traffic control system. SO when the Official version states that the planes were lost for awhile.... total bull. .....And anyone that knows anything about air traffic should know this... so why include this lie on the conspirators part?

..... The impact at shanksville? Where is that plane? The earth did not absorb it... the US military did not shoot it down... Their was no plane in shanksville. Just an old abandoned strip mine with an ordinance crater. No wings, no bodies, no plane.

The pentagon.... What happened at the pentagon was impossible for commercial air craft....and even military craft would have a hard time doing it.... And again , lack of plane parts, luggage, people.... Did I mention the hole at the pentagon is not big enough to fit a plane?

Then their is New york....the one place we all saw planes.... on our TV sets. And we saw it over and over and over..... so it must be true. After all we saw it on TV and the government said it happened this way and I am not aware of the government ever using TV to lie to the public.... (Pardon me a moment while I put out this pants fire)

Yet their is a very big tell missing from imaginary planes.... It is their wake. Like boats , planes make a neat little wake vortex. It follows them... If they fly through smoke they swirl the smoke... if a plane crashes its wake will spiral the fireball while it is aflame.

Also if you pay close attention to the planes trajectory from news footage to news footage you will note that different news feeds had different plane trajectories.... This means unequivocally that TV fakery was used... Some stations had fake plane footage and we know this for certain because of the variety of flawed impact footage... If their is more than one path per plane then you can be certain the footage is fake. If not in whole then at the very least in part.

Also if you watch all the little helicopters that buzzed the towers that day before they fell..... You might take notice that their rotors very rarely disturbed the smoke.... even when some dare devil pilots flew through it....

Go ahead... re-watch those vids.... Find the wake vortex... find the helicopter blades that don't disturb the smoke.... find the painful ugly truth.... it is sicker than most are willing to admit...

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-09-12   11:39:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As far as an object travelling at high velocity, have you ever shot a gun? Lead is softer than steel, yet a high power rifle bullet such as a .308 will slice through steel as if it were butter.

Also this is incorrect.

If it were correct, bullet proof vests would be useless and DU rounds would of never been engineered.

Maybe if it is a wafer thin sheet of steel, maybe then it might rip through like butter....

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-09-12   11:50:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As I'm sure you know, it is not quite possible for the alleged plane maneuvers at the Pentagon to have been flown by remote control. Your own ground effect analysis should confirm that for you.

I've never said that it isn't possible, because it IS possible.

Ground effect at high speed comes into play for large heavy aircraft such as airliners, but not so much if at all for smaller aircraft such as fighter jets and cruise missiles.

It is a matter of Wing loading, where low wing loading provides for higher lift at lower speeds (such as a commerical airliner), and high wing loading provides for less lift requiring higher speeds for takeoff and landing (such as a fighter jet).

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   11:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Also this is incorrect.

If it were correct, bullet proof vests would be useless and DU rounds would of never been engineered.

Standard ballistic vests will NOT stop a .308, and NO vest will stop a .50 BMG.

So you are wrong.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   11:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So you are wrong.

I think you have some coping issues with being incorrect....

We were discussing velocity and soft objects going through hard objects... Not bullets and vests....

You seem to think the a bullet can go through anything... It can not... also the planes were flying at around 500 MPH........ significantly slower than your average bullet.

MOre proof of TV fakery is the melting plane footage where the plane just melts into the building. Totally ignoring the laws of action/reaction..... The plane did not even ripple nor did it dislodge a chip of paint ... until it sank all the way in down to its tail... the building even fixed it's own plane hole for a moment.... but then boom....... You might know the footage... its a four frame shoot featured in von klists "in plane sight"

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-09-12   12:02:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

DU rounds would of never been engineered

Oh and BTW, DU rounds were invented in order to penetrate through heavily armored vehicles such as tanks.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   12:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I've never said that it isn't possible, because it IS possible.

Ground effect at high speed comes into play for large heavy aircraft such as airliners, but not so much if at all for smaller aircraft such as fighter jets and cruise missiles.

It is a matter of Wing loading, where low wing loading provides for higher lift at lower speeds (such as a commerical airliner), and high wing loading provides for less lift requiring higher speeds for takeoff and landing (such as a fighter jet).

Whatever it was, it did not burn the grass....

Nor did it burn gigantic construction wire spools... heck they did not even get knocked over...I even saw some un burned trees ( unburned closer to the zero moment... later in the day they got it.)

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-09-12   12:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh and BTW, DU rounds were invented in order to penetrate through heavily armored vehicles such as tanks.

As good as of a digression as that is I would still point out that all the planes in the news footage lack any discernible wake.... Which is not possible. Leaving the only other option no mater how unlikely... If their is no wake then their is no plane.... and that is to say nothing of the dare devil helicopter pilots that can fly through the fire smoke with out blowing the smoke everywhere.....

Amazing that last part....

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-09-12   12:19:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So all these people are lying, eh?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   12:26:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As good as of a digression as that is I would still point out that all the planes in the news footage lack any discernible wake....

What do you mean "wake"? Boats leave wakes, not planes.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   12:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why is that the remains of four planes do not add up to the mass of one whole plane? Then to get really technical their is the whole luggage, people, black box aspect....

You know this how? Did you fish for the molecular fragments remaining in the debris yourself?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   12:33:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Did you know you can not lose US planes in US air space? That is correct it was impossible in 2001 and it is still impossible today... Like a physical impossibility thanks to the structure of the air traffic control system. SO when the Official version states that the planes were lost for awhile.... total bull. .....And anyone that knows anything about air traffic should know this... so why include this lie on the conspirators part?

A) On the morning of 9/11 there were false blips inserted on radar screens as part of the "wargames" in play. Those false blips caused confusion as to which planes were real and which ones weren't.

B) Yes it IS possible to "lose" radar contact if the transponder is turned off. There are blind spots in the radar grid, where if the plane is not chirping its transponder, and it is flying through a radar blind spot, it will not appear on FAA screens.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-12   12:37:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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