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Title: How 9/11 Was Done
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Published: Sep 3, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-09-03 14:09:24 by tom007
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How 9/11 Was Done For additional notes see the accompanying blog 911notes.blogspot.com. Prologue Read the following two screens of text to learn what happened at 9/11. 9/11 was a master plot, concocted by a handfull of Israelis and dual passport Americans and carried out by the resources of the Mossad. Larry Silverstein leases a nearly worthless dinosaur WTC building complex (worthless due to the asbestos the buildings were stuffed with and needed to be cleaned up, the cost of which may have rivaled the value of the buildings themselves) weeks before 9/11, makes sure it is over insured against terrorist acts and hires an Israeli security firm. From that moment on the coast is clear to let a team of demolition experts from the Israeli army led by Peer Segalovitz into the WTC buildings. These charges plus detonators had been prepared at the premises of the Urban Moving Systems company, a Mossad front. During the weeks before 9/11 these prepared charges were loaded into vans, driven into the basements of WTC Twin Towers next to the elevator shaft, unloaded into the elevator, and lifted onto the roof of the elevator through the opening in the elevator ceiling. Next the elevator moved from floor to floor while charges where being attached to the columns as displayed in this video from 0:22 onwards. The detonators of these charges were radiographic controlled and finally detonated from WTC7 on the day of 9/11. Fast backward, Hamburg 54 Marienstrasse, july 2000, 22:40. Mohamed Atta, Al Shehhi and Jarrah (who were later blamed of being the pilots of flight 11, 175 and 93 respectively), who share the apartment hear the ringing of the door bell. Jarrah opens the door, 5 masked men make their way into the apartment with drawn pistols. The 3 Arabs are forced to lay on the ground. Their passports are confiscated, next the 3 men are made unconscious with some liquid and strangled to death afterwards. The bodies are carried out of the apartment into a van and driven off towards a desolate spot at the boarding of the Elbe river outside Hamburg, 1 kilometer north of Borstel and disposed of into the river with a bag filled with stones tied to their feet. The 3 passports are now in the possession of the agents of the Mossad, who carried out the raid on the apartment and 3 Arabs have vanished without anybody knowing that they are dead. Not long after the raid the 3 passports are given to 3 Israeli agents who were selected on having some resemblance with the 3 Arabs just killed. They make for America soon afterwards in the summer of 2000 and start laying a trail at flight schools, posing with the stolen identities from the 3 Arabs killed. Years earlier the israeli Michael Goff working for PTech, an Arab owned software company that develops key enterprise software for many government institutions like NORAD and FAA, using his secure channel with another israeli Amit Yoran, somehow manages to give Israeli army computer programmers access to this critical computer code. It was due to this manipulation that the hijackings on 9/11 remained unnoticed by the flight controller of NORAD. Once this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center. The hijacking of airliners by remote control had been tested as a dress rehearsal for 9/11 on the Egypt Air flight 990 that crashed into the Atlantic on October 31, 1999. Now everything was in place to commit the crime of the century. On the day of 9/11 the Israeli stand-ins for the ‘Arab hijackers’ showed up at the predestined departure airports to make sure they were captured on surveillance camera’s. The crucial point here is that the security at both the departure airports was in hands of an Israeli firm Huntleigh-USA, a subsidiary of the Dutch based but Israeli owned ICTS led by a fellow named Menahem Atzmon. And this is crucial: Atzmon used to be a colleague of Olmert in 1998. So there you have the link between the 9/11 operative level (an airport security firm) and the highest level of Israeli politics. What happened on the morning of 9/11 was that after the Israeli stand-ins were captured on camera, they left the airport via a side entrance and the show could begin. Minutes after the planes became air born somebody somehow was able to send a signal to the planes, causing the control panels to be disabled and the flight destination altered. What happened was that an anti-hijack system was activated (code word ‘home run’) and the regular pilot was put out of control. This pilot will probably have tried frantically to regain control of his aircraft. It is not very likely he will have told his passengers about the new situation since that would only cause panic. The passengers probably suspected nothing and hence had no reason to make any phone calls to their relatives (which were not possible anyway). And while the 9/11 passengers unsuspecting travel towards their immanent deaths, on the ground from a war room Israeli agents carry out phone calls to relatives of the passengers that were still in the air, using voice morphing technology and caller-ID spoofing and thus planted the Arabs-did-it-deception in the public consciousness. The sound samples necessary to carry out the fake telephone calls had been obtained via the israeli infiltration of American telephone networks by Israeli firms like Amdocs and Verint. By the time that the passengers were puzzled as they discerned the New York sky line it was already too late. Meanwhile on the other side of the Hudson river the members of the Israeli team that planted the demolition charges were waiting for things to happen. And while the rest of New York experienced in horror the events that were unfolding that day, the demolition experts were celebrating and high-fiving. The plot had worked out magnificently. *** Please save this page to your local hard drive *** This blog is the verbal expression of an adaptive learning process. Please come back regularly. Core Argument Ok, I admit. Some elements in this story are speculative. I do not know for instance if Atta was killed in Germany or in America. But the story is an coherent educated speculation. It is an attempt to reconstruct the events of 9/11. Myriads of web sites exist that expose the inconsistencies in the official story, that obviously is a fraud. This story offers an integral explanation of what could have happened and in all likelihood more or less did happen at 9/11 as there can be hardly any doubt about who was behind 9/11 if one rejects the official story. Some elements remain vague, like what happened exactly to WTC7, flight77, flight93 or Mohamed Atta. But these questions are of academic interest only. It’s clear who was behind 9/11 and what happened in detail with WTC-1/2 and the planes. That is enough. Here’s where most people got killed. The rest of the plot can be uncovered by a tribunal. In order to prevent that you get swallowed up by yet another 10 meters of screen text here is the core of the argument. The story is based on 2 broadly accepted postulates: 1) WTC was brought down by controlled demolition 2) The ‘dancing Israelis’ on the morning of 9/11 had foreknowledge of things to come These 2 premises are enough to put the Official Conspiracy Theory (Arabs did it) out of business. Premise 2 leads to the preliminary conclusion that the Israelis had foreknowledge because they organized the attacks themselves. Since Israelis are not known to commit suicide attacks we have to assume that the airplanes that crashed into their destinations were remote controlled. If one accepts this as a working hypothesis than there is a lot, I mean really a lot, of material that supports this Israeli Conspiracy Theory that replaces the official Arab Conspiracy Theory. We have the dedicated Zionist Silverstein who leases the WTC complex and over insures it against terrorism (leading to a hansom profit); we know that security at all departure airports and ‘arrival airports’ (WTC) was in Israeli hands (Huntleigh-USA and Kroll Associates, resp.); we know that the owner of Huntleigh-USA, Menachem Atzmon, a convicted criminal, had strong ties to Ehud Olmert, that is the highest level of Israeli politics; we also know that the Israeli secret service can eavesdrop on virtually everybody in the USA via Israeli owned companies like Amdocs and Verint which gave the Mossad the possibility to obtain sound samples of future 9/11 passengers to apply voice morphing to in order to make the fake phone calls on 9/11. And of course there is Dov Zakheim, the real mastermind of 9/11 who was CEO of SPC for 4 years prior to 9/11, a company that produces systems for remote control of airplanes. The same Zakheim that was a member of the Zionist dominated PNAC group, that more or less plotted for a global American empire, and suggested that a ‘New Pearl Harbor‘ (page 51) could speed things up a bit; and finally the same Zakheim that 6 months before 9/11 became supervisor of a group of Pentagon comptrollers that had to sort out what had happened to the 2.3 trillion dollars that were missing from the Pentagon books; many of these comptrollers conveniently got killed on 9/11 and much of the financial data went with them. This is the core of the story. Note: I am not claiming that 9/11 is solved. Of this however we can be certain: WTC controlled demolition, Israelis carried out the operation, no Arab hijackers, mastermind Zakheim, motive PNAC & Clean Break and remote control. I do not care about flight77 or 93, those are details to be solved by crime investigators. The most pressing question is that of remote control: how was that done? Were the original flights 11 and 175 remote controlled themselves or was there a plane swap as some have suggested, including Bollyn? Disclaimer: nobody is guilty until convicted by a court of law. This blog’s intent is to stimulate thinking about 9/11 from a different angle than the official one. From day one the blame has been put at bin Laden and his people without real evidence. Today bin Laden is no longer persecuted for 9/11 according to the FBI website. The theory proposed here might be true or false or contain some truth. In the end it must be an official investigation that determines who is guilty and who is not. This blog is dedicated to Italian ex-president Cossiga who is the highest ranking statesman to date who has openly stated that it was the Mossad who has carried out the 9/11 attacks.
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#315. To: Cynicom (#314)
Listen to what PILOTS have to say that have time in these aircraft (toward the end of this video). SPEED - Scene from "9/11: WORLD TRADE CENTER ATTACK" by PilotsFor911Truth 2 years ago I listened to "PILOT" John Lear. All of the math is beyond me and does not compute. I would only add that the NTSB/FAA surely had equally qualified pilots that sifted thru the data. In fact during my time with them, the NTSB pilots were mostly all retired airline pilots.
That thought process requires logic Ricky. For some people, logic, probability, and reason may as well be voodoo. Because now this is pretty direct and I am leaning toward a lack of attention. in post 276 you posted a compilation vid. minute 0:56. start up around there. Should be a BIG plane edit... Anyways.... you'll note the helicopter flying in through the smoke with no affect on the smoke, top right of your screen. It is you who is lying there slick, that or you're blind as a bat, and/or your computer monitor sucks. Maybe all of the above. Here's the chronological sequence of that part of the clip;
At no time was the helicopter IN the smoke, it was closer to the observer filming than the smoke was. It's a simple matter of perspective where the helicopter was passing in front of the smoke, yet they were both relatively far away from the camera so they appear closer together than they actually were. If you were watching on a large HD monitor you'd be able to see that for a fact. As far as the "BIG plane", it is most certainly there at 1:00 - 1:01 of the clip. Really dude, are you that dumb and blind? Point out the time stamps where this allegedly occurs. Reported altitude with transponder off...would you care to give your opinion on that anomaly, FL? From NTSB - Flight Path Study - American Airlines Flight 77 So not only did military radar track the aircraft near DC, but Dulles approach control radar tracked it. Airport approach control radar is capable of determining altitude without the use of the transponder, and most likely the military radar was capable of it as well. What that affidavit indicates is that those weren't the actual 767's that were "hijacked". It indicates military jets of similar appearance were more than likely used. Those jets may have been reinforced in order to penetrate as they did, and may have been packed with explosives to cause them to disintegrate once inside the towers. We'll never know since the towers collapsed and the evidence was carted off to China. As far as the speed of the aircraft, more than likely it was slower than reported. Those videos don't appear to show a plane flying 500 mph, probably more like 300-400 mph. I suppose using trigonometry it would be possible to estimate the speed using the videos, if the distance between the camera and the aircraft were known. Then again if those were specially adapted military jets, who knows, they MIGHT have been travelling faster than what is possible for a standard 767. Yep, as one can readily find out using Google... Point out the time stamps where this allegedly occurs. 0:14 and 1:44 of the video "September 11, 2001 - As It Happened - The South Tower Attack" at Post #297: Edited for vid title and spacing. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Seriously GL? You ARE aware that those two clips are from two different viewing points, right? Turning the first clip around in perspective to that of the 2nd, they match. So, the transponders off mystique about 9/11 is hype and we can probably dispense with the radar gap contentions too because the Military was capable of all such tracking? -- yes or no. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I'm not convinced from your statement that simply a different viewing point perspective explains whether the direction of the smoke is moving over the plane or away from it in the opposite direction and those aren't the only examples of a difference in smoke trajectories as compared to the alleged plane.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Transponders are used for long range radar used by air traffic control. Airport approach radar is short range radar, but can measure altitude. I'm assuming the military radar was also airport control radar, probably based out of Andrews. When I retired, Andrews was FAA, no military involved in the DC area.
You are convincing yourself of something that is untrue. Assuming the top of the image represents north, the first clip was filmed from somewhere in line with the Verizon building, with the smoke blowing south. The second clip was filmed from a westerly direction in line with WFC 2 (left of the image), with the smoke blowing to the south as well. As I said, the videos confirm that the smoke was blowing in the same direction, and they match. Don't know about that one Cyni... There would be no delay in latency with the planes that hit the Twin Towers. They were headed for their mark, and they hit it. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I had some info that the Happy Hooligans from North Dakota were on call during the time that 9-11 went down. They received no alerts. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
At Andrews?
As far as I know, yes. The Happy Hooligans were a combat group from North Dakota. They were assigned to Andrews as a defense squadron for the D.C. area, including the entire East Coast. It would have taken very little time to scramble them and get them to the NYC area. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Well of course they had to allow that cruise missile to hit the Pentagon, otherwise all of that planning and expense would have been for naught.
Here's the chronological sequence of that part of the clip; 0:58 small plane appears from left of screen travelling to the right 1:00 airliner approaching from right travelling left 1:01 airliner disappears from view as it impacts South tower 1:02 small plane disappears behind North tower 1:03 helicopter appears from right travelling left in front of smoke plume 1:13 helicopter travels out of view to left At no time was the helicopter IN the smoke, it was closer to the observer filming than the smoke was. It's a simple matter of perspective where the helicopter was passing in front of the smoke, yet they were both relatively far away from the camera so they appear closer together than they actually were. And here is the proper chronological sequence of those moments you listed. Fresh clip starts at 0:50/51 I believe I suggested you start at 56. 0:58 nothing but towers burning. And a helicopter. That was not a small plane. Their was no small plane traffic in that air space at that time. And if that small plane or helicopter or whatever was there for that angle then we should be able to observe it in every other angle right? I mean that small plane or helicopter as I suggest it is, if it is in that version then it is in all versions correct? TO CONTINUE at 1:00 the plane enters building...Bottom right just like you observed... takes about a whole second to enter building...ending at 1:01..... 500 mph and we get a relatively magnificent view of an object moving at such a high rate of speed.. but never mind that. MOVING ON at 1:02 in the top right a shadow against the smoke appears into view moving left on the screen in through the smoke and out... at 1:10/1:11 you should clearly see it above the needle of building 1. Two objects that for the sake of argument we shall refer to as the same to helicopters on the next clip ... from these two other objects we should be able to define a perfect perspective right? I mean we can figure where all three objects were at all times from all angles correct? Only those two helicopters are not in the clip after that.... nor are they present in all the various clips when it should be possible to see them. Many videos of higher clarity have mysteriously appeared over the years but they have not provided consistent records... Their have been discrepancies. And you can prove it to yourself by plotting the paths of those two helicopters I would bet... or helicopter and small plane if you prefer. One object above impact and one object below impact....only present on select versions... free yourself of the propaganda... ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
FAA staffed Andrews way back when I was a pup. Profile: Andrews Air Force Base Related Entities: Child... US Department of Defense. Andrews Air Force Base was a participant or observer in the following events: (Between 8:00 a.m. and 10:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Numerous Aircraft at Base near Washington Participating in Training Exercises Edit event Many aircraft at Andrews Air Force Base, which is just a few miles outside Washington, DC, are taking part in training exercises. James Ampey, an FAA air traffic controller who is currently on duty in the control tower at the base, will later recall that there are “an unusually high number of aircraft taking off and landing at Andrews [this] morning, because previously scheduled military exercises [are] underway.” [9/11 Commission, 7/28/2003 pdf file] It is unclear what specific exercises these aircraft are participating in, and the exact time period Ampey is referring to.
And that is to say nothing at all about the inconsistency of comparing the variety of sizes of plane shapes.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
0:58 nothing but towers burning. And a helicopter. That was not a small plane It was shaped like a plane and moved too fast to be a helicopter. Ergo, a plane. at 1:02 in the top right a shadow against the smoke appears into view moving left on the screen in through the smoke and out... Either your monitor sucks, you aren't watching it full screen on a large enough monitor, or you need some stronger glasses. That or you're just pretending to be blind. ALSO, you are watching a compressed video which includes artifacting, ie. objects of similar color tend to blend together. HOWEVER, if you pay attention to the point it appears from the right corner of the view, and its complete flight across the screen, it is closer to the viewer than the smoke. Given the view appears to be facing eastward from the west, it was more than likely west of the North tower, thus west of the smoke, travelling north. Only those two helicopters are not in the clip after that.... nor are they present in all the various clips when it should be possible to see them. You're still grasping at straws and being disingenious. Immediately after the clip ends at 1:13, the next clip shows the same helicopter exactly where it should be in regards to the different viewing angle, ie. northwest of the WTC towers, thus it appears to be travelling slower due to the greater distance and the fact that it is heading north as seen from the northwest rather than due west. [Edit] And if you look at the clip immediately following that one, beginning at 1:44, THAT is video shot from the helicopter you are trying to claim wasn't there. Being that aircraft still take off and land there however, they must have some sort of airport control radar in place, correct? As I said, the videos confirm that the smoke was blowing in the same direction, and they match. I rotated your map pic a counterclockwise turn so that the left edge was moved to the bottom and the direction of the plane was flying from right to left towards Tower 2, as in both video clips. That does not explain for me the smoke plume's movement in opposite directions. Edited for grammar. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Yes... The changeover was made way back years ago for two reasons, the military people would be there a year or two and gone, plus they were very young. The deciding factor was that the President and other VIPs used Andrews so older, professionals, were desired.
That does not explain for me the smoke plume's movement in opposite directions. The smoke was moving south/southeast. If you see it any other way, you're confused as to what direction is which. Find me even one video where the smoke is not moving in the direction stated. In regards to the direction of the smoke in any of the videos, it is heading southeast if the top of the map is north. I was a bit off when I first thought it was heading south. The helicopter mentioned in earlier posts (1:03 to 1:13 in the 1st video below) was travelling from a position northwest of the North tower, heading northeast. I was mistaken about the other helicopter in the video immediately following (1:14 to 1:27), that one was a different news helicopter directly north of the North tower, and shot a video from that angle. That clip is in the 2nd YouTube video below, at 2:08 to 2:45. Viewing distance and zoom level make the perspectives somewhat difficult to judge, but not impossible to determine which one should be where in relation to its compass position relative to the North tower. I was correct about the video shot from the 1st helicopter, that one being the clip seen in the 1st video, 1:28 - 1:51. The 1st video shows a sequential panaromic collection of clips, starting with a view from the southwest, working clockwise around till the last clip viewed from the south. As far as the 1st helicopter, it can be seen in many of the clips if you watch for where it should be in relation to the North tower, whereas the 2nd helicopter can be seen in at least a few of them. The small plane I noticed in the 1st video at 0:58 - 1:02 is not the only instance of a similar type plane. There is one visible in the 2nd video at 1:55 - 1:57, and is apparently east of the WTC heading south. It is difficult to resolve its distance because of the fact zoom lens distort that dimension of perception. It apparently passed from left to right (north to south) and disappeared behind the North tower in the 1st video immediately before the strike by the airliner from the south. However, in the 2nd video one appears to travel north to south then disappear behind the North tower seconds AFTER the impact. If they were relatively far away, the speed traveled would have been quite fast, so it MAY have been military aircraft. There more than likely were two of them, since it wouldn't make sense for a single aircraft to pass east of the WTC from north to south seconds before the impact, and then once again seconds after the impact. 1st Video 2nd Video One side of the moon is not always dark. There is a far side of the moon from Earth that we never see, but is not always dark. God is always good!
"There is no dark side of the moon really." "Matter of fact it's all dark" You need to watch this till the end to get it... :) If you see nothing questionable in those examples then nevermind, FL. I could post more but what would be the point? That topic hasn't flown without much opposition [to views such as mine] even in No Planes circles and other 9/11 investigations of Media Fakery surely don't hinge on it. If I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time in my life but am not convinced at this point that you and likeminded others are correct. Don't want to mislead or confuse anyone if I might be mistaken and, even if I'm not, we'd likely be at another impasse from (as you said) seeing it any other way than you've noted. Will consider your input as I study the angles some more. People here can research and decide the issue of trajectories for themselves if interested. Edited for bracketed insert at sentence 3. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
See post #344, it's a full analysis of the posted clips and observations.
Stop rationalising, stop justifying , stop defending the propaganda.... IF you see propaganda stop it right away and alert your fellow citizens to the danger. I dare say you have looked a bit closer... I mean you have admitted to alot of mistakes.... I did too before I accepted the truth of the matter. Not everyone has to be in on it. In fact the only one that has to be in on it is the media (TV, Radio, and Print at least) ... Everyone and everything everywhere else could easily be invented on paper... But they did and still do require media co-operation. And they have that. Lock stock and two mockingbird barrels. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
and because you asked ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
Here is one more... I think this one might be better... IT addresses the trajectories .... Maybe you can debunk it Lurker...??? Hell Maybe even Ricky might give it a view... Who knows www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnhDqOJh_28 Worth a click lurker. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
Well I better alert my fellow citizens to your propaganda then. You have been spreading propaganda that Trayvon Martin was killed in cold blood by a racist despite even his mother acknowledging that it was an accident. If you think for one second his mother would say it was a accident if she thought it was her son screaming on those tapes then you aren't thinking clearly to say the least. God is always good!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnhDqOJh_28 Oh yeah can anyone help with an embed? I mean I do not understand how the things presented in this video a refutable unless one simply insists upon not seeing what is in plane sight. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnhDqOJh_28 Click it watch it. NOW ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
Aren't you the biggest pole smoker in the universe.... Fuck you and the tactics of disinformation fuck stain. We don't need to talk about trayvon martin... their are plenty of other places to talk about trayvon martin... This thread happens to be about 911. Fucking disinformant piece of shit. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
I dare say if you looked beyond your ass, you'd see that you've been wrong in EVERYTHING you've said, yet have admitted nothing. I cleared up some minor errors in what I said, which if you were ever involved with HONEST research of any type, is common to do if you're an honest researcher. I could be like you and claim to be 100% right, knowing that I was bit off, well no, YOU would claim to be 100% right even if you were 100% wrong. Now that I've corrected my initial minor errors, I DO stand 100% by what I have said.
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#316. To: randge (#315)
Listen to what PILOTS have to say that have time in these aircraft (toward the end of this video).
#317. To: RickyJ (#293)
Anyone with a camcorder pointing at the south tower that day who saw it explode with no plane hitting it would have proved it was a hoax. No videos of that exist today even though there were many people with cam-corders that day filming the North Tower after it was hit. Surely some of them were filming from the South and would have caught the explosion on the side of the South tower with no plane hitting it, but there is no such video that I know of. The planners of 9/11 would not have risked this possibility when it is so much easier to just crash a plane into the building for real.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#318. To: titorite (#294)
You are lying again or you simply did not pay enough attention. Which is it.
0:58 small plane appears from left of screen travelling to the right
1:00 airliner approaching from right travelling left
1:01 airliner disappears from view as it impacts South tower
1:02 small plane disappears behind North tower
1:03 helicopter appears from right travelling left in front of smoke plume
1:13 helicopter travels out of view to left
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#319. To: GreyLmist (#298)
In one it flies right to left over the water towards the South Tower through a clear sky, with smoke from the North Tower moving away from it towards the left of the screen. In another broadcast, the plane image is still moving right to left towards the South Tower but the smoke is moving over it towards the right side of the screen.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#320. To: GreyLmist (#300)
the [Pentagon] aircraft performed an acrobatic 270 degree (or 330 degree according to The 9/11 Commission Report) dive from 7,000 feet (an altitude known to the FAA despite the transponder off)
The following description of American Airline Flight 77 is based on data from the flight data recorder (FDR) recovered from the crash site, as well as radar data obtained from the Federal Aviation Administration's Air Route Traffic Control Centers, approach control at Washington Dulles Airport, and the U.S. Air Force 84th Radar Evaluation Squadron.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#321. To: wudidiz (#302)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#322. To: Cynicom, randge, wudidiz (#310)
John Lear is a crackpot
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#323. To: FormerLurker (#319)
(Edited)
In one it flies right to left over the water towards the South Tower through a clear sky, with smoke from the North Tower moving away from it towards the left of the screen. In another broadcast, the plane image is still moving right to left towards the South Tower but the smoke is moving over it towards the right side of the screen.
#324. To: GreyLmist (#323)
0:14 and 1:44 of the video
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#325. To: FormerLurker (#320)
not only did military radar track the aircraft near DC, but Dulles approach control radar tracked it. Airport approach control radar is capable of determining altitude without the use of the transponder, and most likely the military radar was capable of it as well.
#326. To: FormerLurker (#324)
#327. To: GreyLmist (#325)
So, the transponders off mystique about 9/11 is hype and we can probably dispense with the radar gap contentions too because the Military was capable of all such tracking? -- yes or no.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#328. To: FormerLurker (#327)
#329. To: GreyLmist (#326)
I'm not convinced from your statement that simply a different viewing point perspective explains whether the direction of the smoke is moving over the plane or away from it in the opposite direction and those aren't the only examples of a difference in smoke trajectories as compared to the alleged plane.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#330. To: Cynicom (#328)
When I retired, Andrews was FAA, no military involved in the DC area.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#331. To: GreyLmist (#190)
The reason was there's about a several second delay in the latency.
#332. To: FormerLurker (#330)
113th Wing D.C. Air National Guard
#333. To: BTP Holdings (#332)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#334. To: FormerLurker (#333)
(Edited)
At Andrews?
#335. To: BTP Holdings (#334)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#336. To: FormerLurker (#318)
(Edited)
#337. To: FormerLurker (#330)
Don't know about that one Cyni...
#338. To: All (#336)
#339. To: titorite (#336)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#340. To: Cynicom (#337)
FAA staffed Andrews way back when I was a pup.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#341. To: FormerLurker (#329)
(Edited)
Assuming the top of the image represents north, the first clip was filmed from somewhere in line with the Verizon building, with the smoke blowing south. The second clip was filmed from a westerly direction in line with WFC 2 (left of the image), with the smoke blowing to the south as well.
#342. To: FormerLurker (#340)
airport control radar in place, correct?
#343. To: GreyLmist (#341)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#344. To: GreyLmist, titorite, All, *9-11* (#329)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#345. To: Cynicom (#307)
dark side of the moon
#346. To: RickyJ, Cynicom (#345)
One side of the moon is not always dark.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#347. To: FormerLurker (#343)
(Edited)
#348. To: GreyLmist (#347)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#349. To: FormerLurker (#344)
If they were relatively far away, the speed traveled would have been quite fast, so it MAY have been military aircraft.
#350. To: FormerLurker (#343)
(Edited)
Find me even one video where the smoke is not moving in the direction stated.
#351. To: All (#350)
#352. To: titorite (#349)
IF you see propaganda stop it right away and alert your fellow citizens to the danger.
#353. To: All (#351)
#354. To: RickyJ (#352)
Well I better alert my fellow citizens to your propaganda then. You have been spreading propaganda that Trayvon Martin was killed in cold blood by a racist despite even his mother acknowledging that it was an accident. If you think for one second his mother would say it was a accident if she thought it was her son screaming on those tapes then you aren't thinking clearly to say the least.
#355. To: titorite (#349)
I dare say you have looked a bit closer... I mean you have admitted to alot of mistakes.... I did too before I accepted the truth of the matter.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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