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Title: How 9/11 Was Done
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URL Source: http://physics911.net/how-911-was-done/
Published: Sep 3, 2012
Author: http://physics911.net/how-911-was-done/
Post Date: 2012-09-03 14:09:24 by tom007
Keywords: None
Views: 18942
Comments: 674

How 9/11 Was Done

For additional notes see the accompanying blog 911notes.blogspot.com. Prologue

Read the following two screens of text to learn what happened at 9/11.

9/11 was a master plot, concocted by a handfull of Israelis and dual passport Americans and carried out by the resources of the Mossad.

Larry Silverstein leases a nearly worthless dinosaur WTC building complex (worthless due to the asbestos the buildings were stuffed with and needed to be cleaned up, the cost of which may have rivaled the value of the buildings themselves) weeks before 9/11, makes sure it is over insured against terrorist acts and hires an Israeli security firm. From that moment on the coast is clear to let a team of demolition experts from the Israeli army led by Peer Segalovitz into the WTC buildings. These charges plus detonators had been prepared at the premises of the Urban Moving Systems company, a Mossad front. During the weeks before 9/11 these prepared charges were loaded into vans, driven into the basements of WTC Twin Towers next to the elevator shaft, unloaded into the elevator, and lifted onto the roof of the elevator through the opening in the elevator ceiling. Next the elevator moved from floor to floor while charges where being attached to the columns as displayed in this video from 0:22 onwards. The detonators of these charges were radiographic controlled and finally detonated from WTC7 on the day of 9/11.

Fast backward, Hamburg 54 Marienstrasse, july 2000, 22:40. Mohamed Atta, Al Shehhi and Jarrah (who were later blamed of being the pilots of flight 11, 175 and 93 respectively), who share the apartment hear the ringing of the door bell. Jarrah opens the door, 5 masked men make their way into the apartment with drawn pistols. The 3 Arabs are forced to lay on the ground. Their passports are confiscated, next the 3 men are made unconscious with some liquid and strangled to death afterwards. The bodies are carried out of the apartment into a van and driven off towards a desolate spot at the boarding of the Elbe river outside Hamburg, 1 kilometer north of Borstel and disposed of into the river with a bag filled with stones tied to their feet. The 3 passports are now in the possession of the agents of the Mossad, who carried out the raid on the apartment and 3 Arabs have vanished without anybody knowing that they are dead. Not long after the raid the 3 passports are given to 3 Israeli agents who were selected on having some resemblance with the 3 Arabs just killed. They make for America soon afterwards in the summer of 2000 and start laying a trail at flight schools, posing with the stolen identities from the 3 Arabs killed.

Years earlier the israeli Michael Goff working for PTech, an Arab owned software company that develops key enterprise software for many government institutions like NORAD and FAA, using his secure channel with another israeli Amit Yoran, somehow manages to give Israeli army computer programmers access to this critical computer code. It was due to this manipulation that the hijackings on 9/11 remained unnoticed by the flight controller of NORAD. Once this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center.

The hijacking of airliners by remote control had been tested as a dress rehearsal for 9/11 on the Egypt Air flight 990 that crashed into the Atlantic on October 31, 1999.

Now everything was in place to commit the crime of the century. On the day of 9/11 the Israeli stand-ins for the ‘Arab hijackers’ showed up at the predestined departure airports to make sure they were captured on surveillance camera’s. The crucial point here is that the security at both the departure airports was in hands of an Israeli firm Huntleigh-USA, a subsidiary of the Dutch based but Israeli owned ICTS led by a fellow named Menahem Atzmon. And this is crucial: Atzmon used to be a colleague of Olmert in 1998. So there you have the link between the 9/11 operative level (an airport security firm) and the highest level of Israeli politics. What happened on the morning of 9/11 was that after the Israeli stand-ins were captured on camera, they left the airport via a side entrance and the show could begin. Minutes after the planes became air born somebody somehow was able to send a signal to the planes, causing the control panels to be disabled and the flight destination altered. What happened was that an anti-hijack system was activated (code word ‘home run’) and the regular pilot was put out of control. This pilot will probably have tried frantically to regain control of his aircraft. It is not very likely he will have told his passengers about the new situation since that would only cause panic. The passengers probably suspected nothing and hence had no reason to make any phone calls to their relatives (which were not possible anyway). And while the 9/11 passengers unsuspecting travel towards their immanent deaths, on the ground from a war room Israeli agents carry out phone calls to relatives of the passengers that were still in the air, using voice morphing technology and caller-ID spoofing and thus planted the Arabs-did-it-deception in the public consciousness. The sound samples necessary to carry out the fake telephone calls had been obtained via the israeli infiltration of American telephone networks by Israeli firms like Amdocs and Verint. By the time that the passengers were puzzled as they discerned the New York sky line it was already too late.

Meanwhile on the other side of the Hudson river the members of the Israeli team that planted the demolition charges were waiting for things to happen. And while the rest of New York experienced in horror the events that were unfolding that day, the demolition experts were celebrating and high-fiving. The plot had worked out magnificently.

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Core Argument

Ok, I admit. Some elements in this story are speculative. I do not know for instance if Atta was killed in Germany or in America. But the story is an coherent educated speculation. It is an attempt to reconstruct the events of 9/11. Myriads of web sites exist that expose the inconsistencies in the official story, that obviously is a fraud. This story offers an integral explanation of what could have happened and in all likelihood more or less did happen at 9/11 as there can be hardly any doubt about who was behind 9/11 if one rejects the official story. Some elements remain vague, like what happened exactly to WTC7, flight77, flight93 or Mohamed Atta. But these questions are of academic interest only. It’s clear who was behind 9/11 and what happened in detail with WTC-1/2 and the planes. That is enough. Here’s where most people got killed. The rest of the plot can be uncovered by a tribunal.

In order to prevent that you get swallowed up by yet another 10 meters of screen text here is the core of the argument. The story is based on 2 broadly accepted postulates:

1) WTC was brought down by controlled demolition 2) The ‘dancing Israelis’ on the morning of 9/11 had foreknowledge of things to come

These 2 premises are enough to put the Official Conspiracy Theory (Arabs did it) out of business.

Premise 2 leads to the preliminary conclusion that the Israelis had foreknowledge because they organized the attacks themselves. Since Israelis are not known to commit suicide attacks we have to assume that the airplanes that crashed into their destinations were remote controlled. If one accepts this as a working hypothesis than there is a lot, I mean really a lot, of material that supports this Israeli Conspiracy Theory that replaces the official Arab Conspiracy Theory. We have the dedicated Zionist Silverstein who leases the WTC complex and over insures it against terrorism (leading to a hansom profit); we know that security at all departure airports and ‘arrival airports’ (WTC) was in Israeli hands (Huntleigh-USA and Kroll Associates, resp.); we know that the owner of Huntleigh-USA, Menachem Atzmon, a convicted criminal, had strong ties to Ehud Olmert, that is the highest level of Israeli politics; we also know that the Israeli secret service can eavesdrop on virtually everybody in the USA via Israeli owned companies like Amdocs and Verint which gave the Mossad the possibility to obtain sound samples of future 9/11 passengers to apply voice morphing to in order to make the fake phone calls on 9/11. And of course there is Dov Zakheim, the real mastermind of 9/11 who was CEO of SPC for 4 years prior to 9/11, a company that produces systems for remote control of airplanes. The same Zakheim that was a member of the Zionist dominated PNAC group, that more or less plotted for a global American empire, and suggested that a ‘New Pearl Harbor‘ (page 51) could speed things up a bit; and finally the same Zakheim that 6 months before 9/11 became supervisor of a group of Pentagon comptrollers that had to sort out what had happened to the 2.3 trillion dollars that were missing from the Pentagon books; many of these comptrollers conveniently got killed on 9/11 and much of the financial data went with them. This is the core of the story.

Note: I am not claiming that 9/11 is solved. Of this however we can be certain: WTC controlled demolition, Israelis carried out the operation, no Arab hijackers, mastermind Zakheim, motive PNAC & Clean Break and remote control. I do not care about flight77 or 93, those are details to be solved by crime investigators. The most pressing question is that of remote control: how was that done? Were the original flights 11 and 175 remote controlled themselves or was there a plane swap as some have suggested, including Bollyn?

Disclaimer: nobody is guilty until convicted by a court of law. This blog’s intent is to stimulate thinking about 9/11 from a different angle than the official one. From day one the blame has been put at bin Laden and his people without real evidence. Today bin Laden is no longer persecuted for 9/11 according to the FBI website. The theory proposed here might be true or false or contain some truth. In the end it must be an official investigation that determines who is guilty and who is not. This blog is dedicated to Italian ex-president Cossiga who is the highest ranking statesman to date who has openly stated that it was the Mossad who has carried out the 9/11 attacks.

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#415. To: FormerLurker (#402)

he claims he presented his findings to Generals and they were shocked and were outraged to come to the realization that Israel did 9/11.

The "dancing Israelis" indicates foreknowledge of the day's events.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-09-15   13:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#416. To: BTP Holdings (#412)

The key words are "Urban Moving Systems".

This was the name on the van which the "dancing Israelis" used.

And, it was actually a company formed as a cover for an Israeli spy operation whose owner, an Israeli citizen, fled to Israel after being interviewed by the FBI on 9/12/2001.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   13:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#417. To: BTP Holdings (#411)

The U.S. was behind the events of 9-11. ;)

Traitors within the US, along with the government of Israel, as well as other foreign interests.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   13:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#418. To: FormerLurker (#416) (Edited)

And, it was actually a company formed as a cover for an Israeli spy operation whose owner, an Israeli citizen, fled to Israel after being interviewed by the FBI on 9/12/2001.

Not so difficult to connect the dots. It all points back to the Israleis as being the perps of 9-11, with connections to the U.S. gooberment.

They did this to get the U.S. involved in their wars for the demise of the Islamic governments. Thus, we have more proof that the Israelis were behind 9-11.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-09-15   13:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#419. To: BTP Holdings (#413)

Building #7 fell in its own footprint. A sure sign of a planned demolition.

ALL WTC buildings which collapsed "fell" into their own footprint. WTC7 actually fell at free fall speed, for which there is no other possible explanation other than controlled demolition.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   13:41:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#420. To: FormerLurker (#419) (Edited)

ALL WTC buildings which collapsed "fell" into their own footprint.

I hear the Neal Bush was in charge of security at the Twin Towers before they collapsed. We do know to whom he is related. ;)

And, then there was the new owner of the Twin Towers, a guy named Silverstein, who had a double indemnity policy on the Towers in case of terrorist attack.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-09-15   13:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#421. To: FormerLurker (#400) (Edited)

If you bothered reading this thread at all,

Those words apply more so to you Lurker rather than the people you seek to address... It is you that refuses to accept the reality of the situation preferring instead to nestle in close to the propaganda comforting your mind at night....

And that is a damn shame.

Also, the only spam sprayer here is you.... anyone paying attention to our BS can clearly see that... I wish you wouldn't use disinformation tactics in your correspondences with me GL and and Wud...... because you are undeniably doing so.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-09-15   14:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#422. To: titorite (#421)

anyone paying attention to our BS can clearly see that...

Subliminal slip there, eh tit?

You've posted nothing but doctored video, ridiculous claims with no basis in reality, and have steered this thread into a mudfest.

Like I said, congratulations on that. I'm sure your masters are pleased.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   15:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#423. To: BTP Holdings (#420)

I hear the Neal Bush was in charge of security at the Twin Towers before they collapsed. We do know to whom he is related. ;)

And, then there was the new owner of the Twin Towers, a guy named Silverstein, who had a double indemnity policy on the Towers in case of terrorist attack.

You should view this video if you want to know all the details as to who was involved, and what companies served in their individual roles in regards to 9/11.

It's a long video, but worth watching.

Missing Links: The Definitive Truth On 9/11 - Full Documentary


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   15:05:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#424. To: FormerLurker (#422)

Subliminal slip there, eh tit?

No their is nothing subliminal about it... I was referring to our conversation that goes no wheres.

You just want to continue to be an asshole for the sake of it....

You can not stop and you can not consider other ideas and opinions.... not even as a thought exercise. Not for one moment not even in a half assed attempt.. A TEXT BOOK PROPAGANDA VICTIM.

And since I have hung out with the likes of Lod and Christine I will direct you to either of them for confirmation of my shill status.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-09-15   15:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#425. To: FormerLurker, tom007, RickyJ, *9-11* (#401) (Edited)

tom007: Yes - Let us know who signed off on these eyewitnesses to this huge crime to be released to Israel.

Who authorized this?

FL: US State Department, Justice Department, and the White House.

This is an example of evidentiary double standards that translate to pretty much any unsubstantiated assertion by planers being automatically deemed as admissable and nothing pertaining to no planes analysis.

This is tangible, testable evidence in response to tom007's question, which FL's isn't:

http://www.lostscribemedia.com/news/911-israels-masterpiece/

After the towers fell, Michael Mukasey who played a critical role in sending the Mossad agents arrested on 9/11 to Israel, worked as a judge on behalf of Silverstein against the insurance company who was awarded the payout for two separate attacks to the tune of $4.68 billion.

As an interesting aside, Rabbi Zakheim was featured prominently in the 1993 bombing of the WTC when his Tridata subsidiary was put in charge of the “investigation.” Emad Salem and Ahmad Ajaj were the FBI informants and Israeli moles that expedited the “arab-terrorist” narrative for the first attack on the WTC.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-15   15:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#426. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#422) (Edited)

You have steered this thread into a mudfest and persist in doing so. From the beginning, No Planes researchers have substantially contributed to and compiled much of the evidence being parroted here on controlled demolition and Israeli involvement before people such as you, "Scholars", and eclectic professionals swooped down on it and confiscated it for yourselves as if its all the intellectual property of Planers only. Not so. The No Planes investigations do not threaten the controlled demolition aspect of 9/11 or evidence of Israeli involvement. It's your remote control theory that is shaky conjecture.

Edited sentence 1.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-15   15:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#427. To: GreyLmist, tom007, RickyJ, *9-11* (#425)

Do you have reading comprehension issues? The question was who exactly was responsible for the release of those Mossad agents.

Those agents never went before a judge of any type, and Zahheim had no influence on Justice Department decisions. If you bothered yourself with facts, it was actually Michael Chertoff who ordered those releases, reportedly on orders of the White House.

I'm sure the State Department, in conjuction with Israeli demands, had their hands in it too.

Why do you try to dismiss truthful info with bullshit, accusing the reporter of somehow posting disinfo, where it is becoming quite obvious that it is you and your little crew that are doing so?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   15:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#428. To: GreyLmist, titorite, wudidiz, *9-11* (#426)

So ok, let's try to gather what it is you actually saying. Let's start with a simple question.

Were there smoke plumes coming from the towers on the morning of 9/11/2001, YES or NO?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   15:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#429. To: titorite (#424)

Well perhaps you're just a drunk who likes to talk big, OR, you're an operative who has gained the trust of unsuspecting people.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   16:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#430. To: Cynicom (#391)

FL... Do you guys get paid for this favor you did Israel?

Cyni... Short, to the point, honest and accurate.

The government loves muddied waters.

Not much real about that.


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-09-15   16:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#431. To: titorite, FormerLurker (#424)

You can not stop and you can not consider other ideas and opinions.... not even as a thought exercise.

I disagree. FL can do that. When he wants to.


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-09-15   16:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#432. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#426) (Edited)

From the beginning, No Planes researchers have substantially contributed to and compiled much of the evidence being parroted here on controlled demolition

Pure bullshit. If anything, legitimate researchers would kick you out of a room if you persisted in disrupting their presentation.

Funny how NONE of the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, or any of the other legitimate researchers such as Dr. Steven Jones endorses your "theory".

In fact, it is widely known that the "no planes" theory is a totally un- scientific hoax designed to obscure, obfuscate, and obstruct any legitimate research into 9/11.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   16:08:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#433. To: GreyLmist, All, *9-11* (#428)

Again, please answer the question.

Were there smoke plumes coming from the towers on the morning of 9/11/2001, YES or NO?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   16:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#434. To: GreyLmist, titorite, All, *9-11* (#433)

< crickets chirping >

Again, please answer the question.

Were there smoke plumes coming from the towers on the morning of 9/11/2001, YES or NO?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   16:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#435. To: GreyLmist (#426)

The No Planes investigations

Hoaxsters don't perform investigations, they perform hoaxes and then attempt to claim any real research into real events as their own in order to beef up their "standing".

Name me even one researcher who pioneered legitimate research into the events of 9/11 who endorses the "no planes" theory.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   16:49:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#436. To: GreyLmist (#426)

< crickets chirping >

Again, please answer the question.

Were there smoke plumes coming from the towers on the morning of 9/11/2001, YES or NO?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   16:50:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#437. To: FormerLurker (#433)

Again, please answer the question.

Were there smoke plumes coming from the towers on the morning of 9/11/2001, YES or NO?

I should wait to see if you ever get around to answering my queries of you on the insignificant amount of smoke damage at the Towers, for example, as well as the lack of significant impact on WTC 1 from the explosive debris and projectiles flying towards it from the demolishment of WTC 2 before I answer but yes, of course there is film in evidence that shows smoke plumes coming from the Towers on the morning of 9/11/2001. There is also observable, conflicting film-evidence of their trajectories, etc., from MSM sources as well as amateur film aired by the MSM. As you consider all such smoke formations as undisputable, prima facie evidence in itself of your 9/11 thesis, regardless of the contradictions, and consider technical Videography analysis a distractive and disruptive non-science, what's the point of your question? To once again declare any response as interference and sprayed propaganda to dominate and derail the thread? I haven't decided yet exactly how much of the Acts of War against America which we saw that day may have been designed offstage by the perps. Btw, this thread isn't a private presentation room for remote control agendists. If you want one like that, go make one of your own.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-15   17:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#438. To: GreyLmist (#425) (Edited)

tom007: Yes - Let us know who signed off on these eyewitnesses to this huge crime to be released to Israel. Who authorized this?

FL: US State Department, Justice Department, and the White House.

This is an example of evidentiary double standards that translate to pretty much any unsubstatiated assertion by planers being automatically deemed as admissable and nothing pertaining to no planes analysis.

This is tangible, testable evidence in response to tom007's question, which FL's isn't:

http://www.lostscribemedia.com/news/911-israels-masterpiece/

After the towers fell, Michael Mukasey who played a critical role in sending the Mossad agents arrested on 9/11 to Israel,

For anyone interested, Michael Chertoff served as head of the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice at the time this went on.

Here's some info concerning how he released those Israeli spies, plus more.

Michael Chertoff gets the Israeli spies released

As far as Michael Mukasey, I can find no information that he had any role in the release of these Mossad agents, but he may well have had a part in terms of suppressing evidence in regards to indictments, who knows.

But there is NO real "testable evidence" that he did, contrary to your claim otherwise.

So GreyLmist, now that you've spammed and cut and pasted something you found in an attempt to refute what I posted, apparently not looking much further than the first thing you came across, have anything intelligent to add, such as an apology perhaps?

BTW, did you notice that nothing within that page you linked mentions the "no planes" theory?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   17:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#439. To: GreyLmist (#437)

Blah blah blah blah blah

Again you apparently have a reading comprehension problem, that, or you're just dodging the question.

Were there smoke plumes coming from the WTC towers on the morning of 9/11/2001, YES or NO?

Is it too hard for you to type either word?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   17:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#440. To: GreyLmist (#437)

You are apparently a bullshitter with nothing of importance to say, who can't even answer a yes or no question with a yes or a no.

Your fairytale has been exposed for what it is, and you continue to spam bullshit onto this thread, making the same disproven claims OVER and OVER and OVER.

The entire sentient population of NYC and surrounding areas witnessed those smoke plumes, and a vast number witnessed the South Tower strike, witnessing the resultant fireballs, and/or the impact of the airliner itself.

Any waking person in that area would have at minimum looked out their window to witness the smoke plumes, matching what they were seeing on live TV.

YET, a critical part of your "theory" is that the smoke was faked, along with the fireballs. That is in conflict with what the majority of the population of NYC actually witnessed.

Do you seriously believe what you write?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   17:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#441. To: GreyLmist (#437)

lack of significant impact on WTC 1 from the explosive debris and projectiles flying towards it

Hey genius, the debris trajectory was not towards WTC 1, as can plainly be seen in many of the videos of the event.

conflicting film-evidence of their trajectories

This claim has been disproven repeatedly, using a panoramic collection of original videos starting from a position southwest of the WTC, proceeding clockwise to a position south of the WTC, shot from various angles and distances.

ALL videos show that the smoke plume was travelling southeast, and the plane impacted the South Tower from the south. Any difficulty in depth perception is caused by varying distances from the observer to the WTC and the use of zoom lens.

Hell, your pal titorite was trying to say there wasn't even a news helicopter in the air that morning, yet it can be clearly seen on a good number of different videos from different angles that it WAS there (northwest of the North Tower travelling northeast), and actual footage FROM that helicopter has been presented.

So what's in this for you? A promotion, money, or a pat on the back from the "right" people?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   17:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#442. To: GreyLmist (#437)

Videography analysis a distractive and disruptive non-science, what's the point of your question?

"Videography analysis" doesn't include the creation of false evidence by doctoring the video to support the conclusion. In other words, if you doctor the video and modify to make it look doctored, that's not "analysis", that's called falsification of evidence.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   17:52:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#443. To: FormerLurker (#435)

Name me even one researcher who pioneered legitimate research into the events of 9/11 who endorses the "no planes" theory.

Me. In conjunction with the early and continued research through the years on Art Students in-residence at the WTC, I also did research that indicated a mega- art heist as one element in suspect motivations; that the 9/11 Fund was mishandled for profiteering by the Red Cross and the United Way, etc., and that it was being allocated for legal representation of terrorist suspects like the Mossad group that was apprehended, incarcerated, and released. You provided no evidence to dismiss any involvement by Mukasey in the process of their release and deflectively ignored the info on Zakheim and Tridata re: the '93 WTC bombing investigations. You are all you've been accusing of others.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-15   17:58:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#444. To: GreyLmist (#443) (Edited)

Name me one legitimate 9/11 reseacher
Me.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, and I'm really Ron Paul.

You provided no evidence to dismiss any involvement by Mukasey in the process of their release and deflectively ignored the info on Zakheim and Tridata re: the '93 WTC bombing investigations.

You ARE good at spin though, well not really, but you try at least. I said nothing about Mukasey other than there's no "testable evidence", contrary to your claims. There is a WIDE range of reports which mention Chertoff as the person who effected the release of the Israelis apprehended on or after 9/11.

All there is on Mukasey in regards to those Israelis is a passing reference that he played a hand in it. So what are you trying to say, that Chertoff was NOT involved?

You are simply trying to refute my words where I said the Justice Department was involved in their release, and for that, you are obviously trying to cover for Chertoff. Are you an employee of his?

As far as the 93 bombing, I have made no comment either way, since it has nothing to do with the Israeli spy release which is what you were responding to.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   18:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#445. To: GreyLmist (#443)

Keep bumping this thread, you'll push those videos with evidence that the Mossad were involved with 9/11 off the screen in just a few more posts. I'm sure that's why you're bothering yourself with posting right now.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   18:09:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#446. To: FormerLurker (#445) (Edited)

Keep bumping this thread, you'll push those videos with evidence that the Mossad were involved with 9/11 off the screen in just a few more posts. I'm sure that's why you're bothering yourself with posting right now.

How paranoid delusional does that sound?

MOst of us are texans.... Many of us have attended truth seeker meetings or visited the silver eagle or have in some other way meet up personally to hang out or participate in something.

It is good to bump this thread... to remember... to keep the conversation going and remembering that the guilty are not only still free but are now invading nation after nation...... as important as this conversation is... it should not be an end point of activism....

All the same

their was no plane at shanksville.

their was no plane at the pentagon.

And so it goes. The evidence speaks louder than miscalculated conclusions.

911 was done with a combination of the latest propaganda techniques , DEW, Conventional Ordinance on seven, and the complicity of a state run media.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-09-15   18:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#447. To: titorite (#446)

But there WERE planes that hit the WTC towers. As far as Shanksville, it's debatable whether or not Flight 93 was shot down over it. It most certainly didn't crash there in one piece.

My point in all this is that not only is the "no planes" theory a widely recognized hoax, it is easily disproven using actual evidence and a bit of logic.

I simply question the motives of those posting it, after such actual evidence is given and logical questions are raised.

This is especially true where it is not part of what constitutes prima facie evidence that 9/11 was a combination Israeli/US operation, covered up by a complicit media.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   18:38:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#448. To: FormerLurker (#445)

You are so irrationally fanatical that you both demand input and slander if it's given. Anyone can websearch for more info on Mukasey and the Dancing Israelis, for instance, which you posture as if it's unattainable or doesn't implicate him at all. They can test its tangibility or not for themselves without a proclamation from you. It certainly doesn't exonerate Chertoff, so I see no logical basis for your objection to Mukasey's inclusion as a suspect as if it somehow threatens your Judiciary claim rather than possibly expanding and supporting it. Likewise with your rendering of the Zakheim and Tridata info re: '93 WTC investigation tampering as non-corroborative. Odd sayanim-like suppressions of evidence on your part but I'll keep Mukasey in mind as a suspect whether you like it or not.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-15   19:05:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#449. To: GreyLmist, tom007, All (#448) (Edited)

You are so irrationally fanatical that you both demand input and slander if it's given.

What I posted was in response to your slandering of me with your accusation that I was giving out "unsubstantiated assertions" as opposed to your "tangible, testable evidence", which in reality doesn't exist other than in your head.

Here's what you said in post 425

This is an example of evidentiary double standards that translate to pretty much any unsubstantiated assertion by planers being automatically deemed as admissable and nothing pertaining to no planes analysis.

This is tangible, testable evidence in response to tom007's question, which FL's isn't:

I made no such claim, where I simply responded to tom's question as to who I thought was involved with the release of those Israelis. Turns out I was quite right, since Chertoff is the one who did it, and he did work as the head of the Justice Department's Criminal Division. I'm sure the White House at minimum gave it's blessing, it's not something a person could do on his own, and later be promoted to Secretary of Homeland Security, and later be given TSA contracts for naked body scanners.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   19:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#450. To: GreyLmist (#448)

Anyone can websearch for more info on Mukasey and the Dancing Israelis

Yes, as mentioned in some of the clips I've posted which DO indicate Mukasey as the judge who was in charge of the 9/11 victim's claims against the security firms involved with 9/11. He was involved in other aspects of post 9/11 events as well.

Thing is, there is no evidence that he had anything to do with the release of those Israelis, except for a passing reference here and there that he had a hand in it.

If you can find some REAL "verifiable and testable" evidence that he did, then post it. And like I said, I'm not saying he didn't, but he certainly wasn't the one who made it happen, Chertoff is the one who did, since he's the one who gave the order to do so.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   19:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#451. To: FormerLurker (#449)

ure the White House at minimum gave it's blessing, it's not something a person could do on his own, and later be promoted to Secretary of Homeland Security, and later be given TSA contracts for naked body scanners.

Lucrative contracts no doubt.

And the things cause cancers.

Sweet.

Think I read something about important jews being able to bypass TSA security - giving them the same status in that respect as federal marshalls.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2012-09-15   19:30:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#452. To: GreyLmist (#448)

Odd sayanim-like suppressions of evidence on your part

Nice trick there, projecting your own evil deeds unto your victims. Now THAT is a typical sayanim-like tactic there slick.

Did you even bother watching any of the videos I've posted? They completely contradict your claims as to who is protecting who.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   19:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#453. To: tom007 (#451)

Think I read something about important jews being able to bypass TSA security - giving them the same status in that respect as federal marshalls.

I haven't read that anywhere, do you have a link? I wouldn't doubt it though.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   19:38:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#454. To: FormerLurker (#453)

I haven't read that anywhere, do you have a link? I wouldn't doubt it though.

No I don't and it may be bs.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2012-09-15   19:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#455. To: GreyLmist, tom007, RickyJ, *9-11* (#425)

tom007: Yes - Let us know who signed off on these eyewitnesses to this huge crime to be released to Israel.

Who authorized this?

FL: US State Department, Justice Department, and the White House.

This is an example of evidentiary double standards that translate to pretty much any unsubstantiated assertion by planers being automatically deemed as admissable and nothing pertaining to no planes analysis.

This is tangible, testable evidence in response to tom007's question, which FL's isn't:

Oh and BTW, here's evidence the State Department was involved in the release of those spies...

From What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?

The reputable Israeli daily Ha'aretz reported that by the last week of October 2001, some six weeks after the men had been detained, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage and two unidentified "prominent New York congressmen" were lobbying heavily for their release. According to a source at ABC News close to the 20/20 report, high-profile criminal lawyer Alan Dershowitz also stepped in as a negotiator on behalf of the men to smooth out differences with the U.S. government. (Dershowitz declined to comment for this article.) And so, at the end of November 2001, for reasons that only noted they had been working in the country illegally as movers, in violation of their visas, the men were flown home to Israel.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-15   20:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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