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9/11 See other 9/11 Articles Title: How 9/11 Was Done Source: [None] URL Source: http://physics911.net/how-911-was-done/ Published: Sep 3, 2012 Author: http://physics911.net/how-911-was-done/ Post Date: 2012-09-03 14:09:24 by tom007 Keywords: None Views: 13655 Comments: 674 How 9/11 Was Done For additional notes see the accompanying blog 911notes.blogspot.com. Prologue Read the following two screens of text to learn what happened at 9/11. 9/11 was a master plot, concocted by a handfull of Israelis and dual passport Americans and carried out by the resources of the Mossad. Larry Silverstein leases a nearly worthless dinosaur WTC building complex (worthless due to the asbestos the buildings were stuffed with and needed to be cleaned up, the cost of which may have rivaled the value of the buildings themselves) weeks before 9/11, makes sure it is over insured against terrorist acts and hires an Israeli security firm. From that moment on the coast is clear to let a team of demolition experts from the Israeli army led by Peer Segalovitz into the WTC buildings. These charges plus detonators had been prepared at the premises of the Urban Moving Systems company, a Mossad front. During the weeks before 9/11 these prepared charges were loaded into vans, driven into the basements of WTC Twin Towers next to the elevator shaft, unloaded into the elevator, and lifted onto the roof of the elevator through the opening in the elevator ceiling. Next the elevator moved from floor to floor while charges where being attached to the columns as displayed in this video from 0:22 onwards. The detonators of these charges were radiographic controlled and finally detonated from WTC7 on the day of 9/11. Fast backward, Hamburg 54 Marienstrasse, july 2000, 22:40. Mohamed Atta, Al Shehhi and Jarrah (who were later blamed of being the pilots of flight 11, 175 and 93 respectively), who share the apartment hear the ringing of the door bell. Jarrah opens the door, 5 masked men make their way into the apartment with drawn pistols. The 3 Arabs are forced to lay on the ground. Their passports are confiscated, next the 3 men are made unconscious with some liquid and strangled to death afterwards. The bodies are carried out of the apartment into a van and driven off towards a desolate spot at the boarding of the Elbe river outside Hamburg, 1 kilometer north of Borstel and disposed of into the river with a bag filled with stones tied to their feet. The 3 passports are now in the possession of the agents of the Mossad, who carried out the raid on the apartment and 3 Arabs have vanished without anybody knowing that they are dead. Not long after the raid the 3 passports are given to 3 Israeli agents who were selected on having some resemblance with the 3 Arabs just killed. They make for America soon afterwards in the summer of 2000 and start laying a trail at flight schools, posing with the stolen identities from the 3 Arabs killed. Years earlier the israeli Michael Goff working for PTech, an Arab owned software company that develops key enterprise software for many government institutions like NORAD and FAA, using his secure channel with another israeli Amit Yoran, somehow manages to give Israeli army computer programmers access to this critical computer code. It was due to this manipulation that the hijackings on 9/11 remained unnoticed by the flight controller of NORAD. Once this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center. The hijacking of airliners by remote control had been tested as a dress rehearsal for 9/11 on the Egypt Air flight 990 that crashed into the Atlantic on October 31, 1999. Now everything was in place to commit the crime of the century. On the day of 9/11 the Israeli stand-ins for the ‘Arab hijackers’ showed up at the predestined departure airports to make sure they were captured on surveillance camera’s. The crucial point here is that the security at both the departure airports was in hands of an Israeli firm Huntleigh-USA, a subsidiary of the Dutch based but Israeli owned ICTS led by a fellow named Menahem Atzmon. And this is crucial: Atzmon used to be a colleague of Olmert in 1998. So there you have the link between the 9/11 operative level (an airport security firm) and the highest level of Israeli politics. What happened on the morning of 9/11 was that after the Israeli stand-ins were captured on camera, they left the airport via a side entrance and the show could begin. Minutes after the planes became air born somebody somehow was able to send a signal to the planes, causing the control panels to be disabled and the flight destination altered. What happened was that an anti-hijack system was activated (code word ‘home run’) and the regular pilot was put out of control. This pilot will probably have tried frantically to regain control of his aircraft. It is not very likely he will have told his passengers about the new situation since that would only cause panic. The passengers probably suspected nothing and hence had no reason to make any phone calls to their relatives (which were not possible anyway). And while the 9/11 passengers unsuspecting travel towards their immanent deaths, on the ground from a war room Israeli agents carry out phone calls to relatives of the passengers that were still in the air, using voice morphing technology and caller-ID spoofing and thus planted the Arabs-did-it-deception in the public consciousness. The sound samples necessary to carry out the fake telephone calls had been obtained via the israeli infiltration of American telephone networks by Israeli firms like Amdocs and Verint. By the time that the passengers were puzzled as they discerned the New York sky line it was already too late. Meanwhile on the other side of the Hudson river the members of the Israeli team that planted the demolition charges were waiting for things to happen. And while the rest of New York experienced in horror the events that were unfolding that day, the demolition experts were celebrating and high-fiving. The plot had worked out magnificently. *** Please save this page to your local hard drive *** This blog is the verbal expression of an adaptive learning process. Please come back regularly. Core Argument Ok, I admit. Some elements in this story are speculative. I do not know for instance if Atta was killed in Germany or in America. But the story is an coherent educated speculation. It is an attempt to reconstruct the events of 9/11. Myriads of web sites exist that expose the inconsistencies in the official story, that obviously is a fraud. This story offers an integral explanation of what could have happened and in all likelihood more or less did happen at 9/11 as there can be hardly any doubt about who was behind 9/11 if one rejects the official story. Some elements remain vague, like what happened exactly to WTC7, flight77, flight93 or Mohamed Atta. But these questions are of academic interest only. It’s clear who was behind 9/11 and what happened in detail with WTC-1/2 and the planes. That is enough. Here’s where most people got killed. The rest of the plot can be uncovered by a tribunal. In order to prevent that you get swallowed up by yet another 10 meters of screen text here is the core of the argument. The story is based on 2 broadly accepted postulates: 1) WTC was brought down by controlled demolition 2) The ‘dancing Israelis’ on the morning of 9/11 had foreknowledge of things to come These 2 premises are enough to put the Official Conspiracy Theory (Arabs did it) out of business. Premise 2 leads to the preliminary conclusion that the Israelis had foreknowledge because they organized the attacks themselves. Since Israelis are not known to commit suicide attacks we have to assume that the airplanes that crashed into their destinations were remote controlled. If one accepts this as a working hypothesis than there is a lot, I mean really a lot, of material that supports this Israeli Conspiracy Theory that replaces the official Arab Conspiracy Theory. We have the dedicated Zionist Silverstein who leases the WTC complex and over insures it against terrorism (leading to a hansom profit); we know that security at all departure airports and ‘arrival airports’ (WTC) was in Israeli hands (Huntleigh-USA and Kroll Associates, resp.); we know that the owner of Huntleigh-USA, Menachem Atzmon, a convicted criminal, had strong ties to Ehud Olmert, that is the highest level of Israeli politics; we also know that the Israeli secret service can eavesdrop on virtually everybody in the USA via Israeli owned companies like Amdocs and Verint which gave the Mossad the possibility to obtain sound samples of future 9/11 passengers to apply voice morphing to in order to make the fake phone calls on 9/11. And of course there is Dov Zakheim, the real mastermind of 9/11 who was CEO of SPC for 4 years prior to 9/11, a company that produces systems for remote control of airplanes. The same Zakheim that was a member of the Zionist dominated PNAC group, that more or less plotted for a global American empire, and suggested that a ‘New Pearl Harbor‘ (page 51) could speed things up a bit; and finally the same Zakheim that 6 months before 9/11 became supervisor of a group of Pentagon comptrollers that had to sort out what had happened to the 2.3 trillion dollars that were missing from the Pentagon books; many of these comptrollers conveniently got killed on 9/11 and much of the financial data went with them. This is the core of the story. Note: I am not claiming that 9/11 is solved. Of this however we can be certain: WTC controlled demolition, Israelis carried out the operation, no Arab hijackers, mastermind Zakheim, motive PNAC & Clean Break and remote control. I do not care about flight77 or 93, those are details to be solved by crime investigators. The most pressing question is that of remote control: how was that done? Were the original flights 11 and 175 remote controlled themselves or was there a plane swap as some have suggested, including Bollyn? Disclaimer: nobody is guilty until convicted by a court of law. This blog’s intent is to stimulate thinking about 9/11 from a different angle than the official one. From day one the blame has been put at bin Laden and his people without real evidence. Today bin Laden is no longer persecuted for 9/11 according to the FBI website. The theory proposed here might be true or false or contain some truth. In the end it must be an official investigation that determines who is guilty and who is not. This blog is dedicated to Italian ex-president Cossiga who is the highest ranking statesman to date who has openly stated that it was the Mossad who has carried out the 9/11 attacks. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-549) not displayed.       .       .       . #550. To: GreyLmist (#549) (Edited) You had no problem earlier re-posting (at #344) and then debating in better form the very same video of MSM clips that I posted twice before at #297 and #323 (noting in the second posting the timestamps 0:14 and 1:44 for comparison of smoke and plane trajectories): Do you have ADD or dyslexia? Which tower do you think is closest to you at 0:14 in the video? Since you're probably not going to answer, it's the NORTH tower viewed from the northeast, and smoke is blowing directly away from the observer (southeast), then expanding out from right to left in the distance. At 1:14, it's from the same angle and the smoke is blowing the same direction. But wait, at 1:16 THERE is the original footage of the aptly named [Smoke and Mirrors] video you've been using as "evidence" of tampering, where in the original, here at 1:16, such tampering does not exist, and the smoke is STILL travelling southeast. Since you've proven your inability to judge direction, the view is from the north, and the North Tower is to the right of the South Tower (look at the f'in map if you don't believe me), and the smoke is travelling right to left and away, ie. to the southeast. And BTW, the newscaster says "it went into the east tower". There WAS no "east tower", he obviously meant South Tower, but he may have made the mistake due to the fact the South Tower was actually southeast of the North Tower. All you're doing is proving how inept you are at analyzing video footage. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-20   18:32:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #551. To: GreyLmist (#549) I'm confident that most others here can well assess the trajectories for themselves in the above video and more And they would see for themselves what sort of shit you've been shoveling here. without having to be repetitiously run through your guantlet and mazes about it. The mazes are set up by you, where you absolutely refuse to acknowledge compass orientation, act as if there is no such thing as direction, and refuse to answer yes or no questions with a yes or a no. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-20   18:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #552. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#323) (Edited) 0:14 and 1:44 of the video "September 11, 2001 - As It Happened - The South Tower Attack" at Post #297: Here in post 323 you said 0:14 and 1:44. So in case you're going to claim I'm avoiding the issue, 0:14 was recorded from the northeast of the North Tower, and the smoke is travelling southeast as explained previously. The footage at 1:44 was recorded from the west of both towers, resulting in a left to right and outwards direction of the smoke, and a right to left approach of the aircraft into the South Tower. Are you really that blind, dumb, or confused? Are you ever going to admit you're mistaken, or are you going to keep on posting this dung every 50 posts or so, pretending that you've never been proven wrong on this topic? "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-20   18:46:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #553. To: GreyLmist (#525) and consider technical Videography analysis a distractive and disruptive non- science I consider those who FABRICATE "video oddities" where none existed before to be liars, swindlers, and worse. What you've posted as "evidence" is NOT "technical Videography", it is nothing more than amaturish attempts to distort and doctor the original footage while claiming that's what they "found" in that original footage, where those distortions and "oddities" did not exist till they got their hands on it, edited it, then published their "findings". Again, the very video you posted just now, showing the raw footage (timestamp 1:16), proves that the person who "found" the manipulation in the smoke plume is the person who ADDED that manipulated smoke plume, since the original footage does NOT contain such manipulation. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-20   18:56:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #554. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#549) In terms of proof that "no planers" are themselves manipulating and fabricating evidence to "prove" the videos are fabricated, here's a prime example of their "work". Observe the original footage in the following video from 4:35 to 4:59. It's obvious the smoke plume in that original footage is not manipulated. Now look at their "evidence", where someone has produced a video aptly named [9/11 TV Fakery: Smoke & Mirrors]. It is obvious the smoke plume has been erased and overlayed with a copy, progressing to an enlarged copy from right to left. The author has even indicated with yellow lines where he doctored the video. Now how's that for being dumb and believing everything you see on YouTube? "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-20   19:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #555. To: FormerLurker, *9-11*, *No Planers* (#539) Because it is this sort of bullshit that obscures the truth, and prevents the majority of the population from ever nailing it down well enough to demand action. Most people on the fence about it would just dismiss ALL further discussion of 9/11 contradictions and flat out impossibilities as whacked out fantasies, and would feel perhaps the government story IS true, and that is the end of it. This sort of thing destroys any credibility thousands of people have worked long and hard for, and obscures any real facts and data they present. It's just the sort of thing those complicit with the attacks themselves would do to cover their tracks. Don't be silly. No Planers haven't stood in the way of Planers demanding action. On the contrary, I've asked since long before arriving here why your side hasn't moved to prosecute if they have it all figured out. Stop using us as the excuse for Planer inactions. As far as I know, a majority of the population being agreeable isn't required to proceed prosecutorially in Criminal cases. Lynch mobs are maybe what you're imagining in the way of demanding action. Even the American Revolution probably didn't have a majority of the population concurring -- at least at first. As for the people on the fence you spoke of, 9/11 shouldn't be a contest for most popular and marketable narrative, imo. My guess is that some aren't much interested in the truth or discussions or researching for themselves -- Planes or no Planes. Perhaps it's condescending, intelligence-insulting attitudes like yours and the implausibility of remote control mantras that are hindering your group from convincing others. You've all along been peddling "9/11 contradictions and flat out impossibilities as whacked out fantasies" by the pretense that 9/11 should strangely be handled as some kind of "exceptional" case where it's considered crazy, etc., to scrutinize available videos for veracity. Even an unarmed theft at a convenience store with cameras gets more serious investigation of the film and its accuracy or lack thereof than you and yours are willing to accept as routine procedure in 9/11 evidence gathering. Like you said, that's just the sort of thing those complicit with the attacks themselves would do to cover their tracks. Let me tell you that, by my reckonings, those dumbed-down and ludicrous strategies, illogical denials and suppressive prohibitions against evidence you don't like doesn't sway as many people to your arrogant, muddying and demeaning way of thinking as much as you seemingly suppose. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-20   19:50:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #556. To: RickyJ, randge, Lod, Cynicom, All (#554) Ping to post 554 with clear evidence of tampering by no planers to make video footage appear to be tampered with. Well no shit, THEY are the ones doing the tampering. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-20   19:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #557. To: GreyLmist (#555) Hey genius, check your ping to post 554. So will you now admit that you have been trying to pass off videos doctored by no planers as actual evidence of a huge conspiracy by all news networks and the people of NYC on the morning of 9/11? "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-20   19:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #558. To: GreyLmist (#555) (Edited) You've all along been peddling "9/11 contradictions and flat out impossibilities as whacked out fantasies" by the pretense that 9/11 should strangely be handled as some kind of "exceptional" case where it's considered crazy, etc., to scrutinize available videos for veracity. As I've said all along, fabricating evidence is not called scrutiny, it's called falsification of evidence and quackery. In terms of what I post regarding 9/11, I post known scientific principles and how they relate to the events of 9/11, such as the impossibility of the towers falling at near free fall speed into themselves as if the lower floors didn't exist, as well as the obvious free fall speed of WTC7 as if it were falling through thin air. I post the fact that at least some of the hijackers are still alive. I post the fact that it is physically impossible for a 757 to fly several feet over the Pentagon lawn at over 500 mph while not even scraping the lawn, and flying nose level into the Pentagon ground floor, especially when piloted by a inept fool who couldn't even fly a single engine propeller driven plane.. I post reports concerning foreign assets found with tons of explosives on the George Washington Bridge that day, and the involvement of their brethren jumping with joy and dancing to the sight of the WTC towers collapsing, and how they were picked up by law enforcement and detained, then released. I post the plausibility of remote controled aircraft being the aircraft that actually took part in the attacks of that day, and historical data backing up that hypothesis. I have posted many other things concerning that day, but not once have I posted as factual and definitive any hair brained scenario which would require huge leaps of faith to accept, especially if it defies all logic and would require millions of co-conspirators to pull off. So no, I don't post "9/11 contradictions and flat out impossibilities as whacked out fantasies", I identify how the official story is impossible, and how scientific fact contradicts the official legend. By you peddling whacked out fantastical stories as 9/11 "truth", you discredit those who ARE honestly researching the facts concerning 9/11, and their work, since the masses of ignorant Americans who believe bin Laden was behind 9/11 will group what YOU say along with what Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and other such experts have to say, and dismiss BOTH of you without any thought thinking you are both saying similar things. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-20   20:13:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #559. To: GreyLmist (#555) If you can admit to me and the rest of the forum that you have been mistaken, and that you can see how you might be perceived as a disinfo specialist due to your posts and your refusal to answer honestly any question asked of you, then perhaps I WON'T think of you as a disinfo specialist working for this government, or that of another involved party, such as Israel. If you can't admit that or won't, then from now on I'll know what you truly are, and that isn't anything good. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-20   20:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #560. To: FormerLurker (#544) So what's stopping you, go ahead and don some black SWAT outfit and do your thing at CNN, since you're a big bad brave internet tough guy, I'm sure it'll work out for you swell. NO no no , you see you did not even pay attention to what you read... you gave it just a quick gloss over and replied with the first witty snarky comment you could think of. I am not an internet tough guy. Nor am I a keyboard warrior. I do stuff in real life.... I have tried to write about my exploits here once or twice... in an effort to encourage others to commit to daring exploits..... Mind you I am not a cold blooded killer so murder is off the table but everything short of that in the effort to restore liberty to people, anything else is an option. And in my time here I have been made aware that I am not alone in the effort. Unfortunately you do not seem to be with us FL You seem to be against those that would espouse outrageous conspiracy theories ... only it's no theory... I think deep down inside you know in your heart of hearts that their are inconsistencies that have been pointed out to you... Inconsistencies you are choosing to ignore in lieu of being right. ..... Or at least not being wrong.... Meh.... I do my thing and theirs nothing you can say or do to alter that. Just as their is little you can do about changing how little you have done in the past... you Former Lurker can only change how much more active you will be in the future. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!! titorite  posted on  2012-09-20   21:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #561. To: titorite (#560) You seem to be against those that would espouse outrageous conspiracy theories ... only it's no theory... I think deep down inside you know in your heart of hearts that their are inconsistencies that have been pointed out to you... Inconsistencies you are choosing to ignore in lieu of being right. ..... Or at least not being wrong.... Care to explain why you're posting false evidence and claiming it supports your theory? See post 554 before you respond. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-20   21:55:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #562. To: FormerLurker (#561) (Edited) Care to explain why you're posting false evidence and claiming it supports your theory? See post 554 before you respond. I have not. You have though... You have made up claims that no one other than you have made... Twisted perversions of the facts presented by others.. Twisted for the soul purpose of attempting to make others look bad so that you yourself can avoid the egg on your face. I mean you think Wake vortex only exists if their is smoke and that without smoke that phenomena can not be observed.... You have said as much to me in post after post after post.... False evidence is you .....You are arguing with disinformation tactics.... The 25 rules of disinformation.... you are using them verbatim. And post 554 was already responded too... in post 560.... the very post you quoted.... maybe next time you will read my response instead of quoting my unread response demanding I respond to you still.....< p> Like I said you like to spam. If you can't win with presumptions you are quite willing to post pages of copy and paste OR if you do that too often you'll break down a post like this one and dissect it sentence by sentence and respond sentence by sentence..... Thus filling up a page with your words again... knocking off everyone elses words... It is a very insidious tactic you SOB. I wish you would not use the enemies play book.... but you choose your sides whatever. You like FEMA Camps and government reasoning then by all means enjoy your stay in their custody. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!! titorite  posted on  2012-09-20   22:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #563. To: FormerLurker (#554) (Edited) In terms of proof that "no planers" are themselves manipulating and fabricating evidence to "prove" the videos are fabricated, here's a prime example of their "work". I'm going to say here, a bit before your latest batch of 50 or so posts fully cycles through, that I could just as easily say it's Planers like you who've manipulated and fabricated evidence to sabotage No Planers. Your obsessive compulsion to slander so profusely, Gordion Knot-like, is way beyond my capacity to deal with untangling it all as I have many other things I need to do and would rather do, here and elsewhere, with my time. I don't know what your problem is with open investigations that are often learn-as-you-go and not some devious conspiracy to deceive. I'm not a New Yorker familiar with the landscape or a Videography tech by trade but how much does it matter if you aren't or anyone else isn't an expert in that particular field but is able to notice anomalies and cares to check out the analyses? Aren't you the one who claims practically all the witnessess rightly know what they saw with their own eyes that day and in the media? Well, I saw smoke moving in two different directions compared to a plane flying in from the right of the screen and still do -- with the smoking Tower somewhat more to the right [Correction: left of the] other in the 2nd clip at 1:44 than the 1st at 0:14 where the other Tower was behind it; but that isn't a noticable enough change of position to me to explain the smoke moving both away from the plane approaching through a clear sky prior to it looking to move in the opposite direction over the plane. Nor does your smoke-expansion hypothesis explain the discrepacies in the approach- field for me. I've already told you at #347 that I could be mistaken about the smoke trajectories. However, you are no longer even in the running to be the one to convince me I am, if so, based on your evidence alone. I'll be needing a second opinion, maybe more, that I believe are much more reliable than you after all of this rigamarole from your malicious orations. You seem way more bothered than I am about me going out on a limb to state what it looks like to me, whether or not I could be proved wrong about that. I think it would have been remiss and egotistical of me to not raise the question as I saw it so as to avoid having scorn heaped on me from the likes of you for human error on my part. If I'm wrong about it, as you insist, does it still say anything to you about the alleged eyewitnesses and millions of others, as you've alluded to, possibly being mistaken about what they think they saw in the various disaster areas and on TV? It should tell you that you might be wrong too -- about the correctness or not of some numbers of their testimonies. Also, I never said that the 8.5 second Internet Archived NIST clip was an exact duplication of the video that you've been tarring and feathering, so to speak, or that it was the extent of the scene's appearance in the documentary that I haven't seen all of and you probably haven't either. Apparently, you think the section you cited in the MSM newsclip video is enough to declare it a deliberately deceptive work of No Planers, not faked at all by the Media and the totality of all there is to it regarding its context within the documentary. I disagree that's grounds enough for your decree. I can't say for certain if a real No Planer [Edit to add: at YouTube] was sincerely trying to debunk what they saw correctly to be manipulated video but I suspect that's the case and they didn't know it might be a snare to set them up and other No Planers for harrasement about the effort to analyze it. Wouldn't surprise me if something more sinister along those lines is involved with it in addition to War propaganda tactics on 9/11 and later -- maybe from a guv or foreign affiliated provacateur in league with the perps or some hostile Planer or whatever. Who knows? Not me but I gave you the background I had on it to the best of my ability. I don't know what you think you've proven other than your quickness to post your jumpings to dubious conclusions. It doesn't seem to matter much to you if you might be wrong or not -- just if you can convince others that it's somehow worse and unpardonable if No Planers are ever less than 100% accurate too in their evaluations. Well, at least we do have actual evidence submitted for open examination -- unlike you and your speculative, improbable remote control assertions. Edited for striking and bracketed correction at paragraph 3, bracketed insert at last paragraph, punctuation, grammar, and spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-20   23:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #564. To: FormerLurker (#557) (Edited) Hey genius, check your ping to post 554. So will you now admit that you have been trying to pass off videos doctored by no planers as actual evidence of a huge conspiracy by all news networks and the people of NYC on the morning of 9/11? No, I didn't do that. You are misleading people by trying to pass off your scurrilous imagineerings as truth when it isn't and you're doing that deliberately, imo. Do you think everybody here who can read and see what you're doing is dumber than you and won't catch-on to your unethical M.O.? Seems so but don't count on it. Edited last sentence and spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-20   23:42:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #565. To: FormerLurker (#548) in your mind, do you think the entire population of NYC would lie about what they saw that day, or keep silent about it if it were in conflict with what they saw on TV? Do YOU think the smoke plumes were faked? I think all the videos of a plane hitting the wtc are fake. I think it's obvious. I don't really care to argue about it. "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry wudidiz  posted on  2012-09-21   1:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #566. To: wudidiz (#565) I think all the videos of a plane hitting the wtc are fake. I think it's obvious. What IS obvious is that no planers are fabricating evidence to support their theory, since no such evidence exists in real life. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   2:28:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #567. To: GreyLmist (#563) I'm going to say here, a bit before your latest batch of 50 or so posts fully cycles through, that I could just as easily say it's Planers like you who've manipulated and fabricated evidence to sabotage No Planers. What it comes down to is that you've been caught red-handed trying to pass off fabricated evidence as if it were a bona-fide, 100% true and accurate analysis of REAL video that was broadcast on 9/11, or even on a later date. You used an obviously fraudulent analysis as a cornerstone of your "proof", where all you've done is given me a REALLY good idea of what "no planers" are all about, and that is ignoring every possible piece of evidence collected which contradicts their own far-out fantasy, and actually creating fake videos which are supposed to support what they say. Even when caught red-handed, you tap dance around the issue and claim I'M the one trying to pull a fast one on everyone here. Okie dokie dude, go try to fool some young kid who doesn't know any better, I'm sure you'd have better luck. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   2:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #568. To: GreyLmist (#563) (Edited) Well, I saw smoke moving in two different directions compared to a plane flying in from the right of the screen and still do -- with the smoking Tower somewhat more to the right [Correction: left of the] other in the 2nd clip at 1:44 than the 1st at 0:14 where the other Tower was behind it; but that isn't a noticable enough change of position to me to explain the smoke moving both away from the plane approaching through a clear sky prior to it looking to move in the opposite direction over the plane If you can't tell the difference from a northwesterly view of the North Tower as opposed to a westerly view of BOTH towers, then you are beyond hope, OR, you are faking being that stupid. Either way, it's obvious you'll continue to spew what you do till the end of time, no matter HOW much clear evidence there is to the contrary. Just one last time, in case you really ARE that confused as to what you're seeing. The clip at 0:14 is a view of the North Tower from the northwest facing southeast, as can be clearly seen since it was emitting smoke as it was stuck by the first plane, and the South Tower is obscured due to the fact it is directly southeast of the North Tower. The smoke is blowing towards the South Tower. At 1:44 it is clearly a video taken from the west, as both towers are visible, and the North Tower is spewing smoke from left to right towards the South Tower. The plane approaches from right to left and strikes the South Tower. I'm not a rocket scientist, yet I was able to figure that one out without breaking a sweat. I'd hate to see you have to figure something out that took much more thought than that, since you are apparently unable to understand something any reasonably intelligent person would easily understand. There is no smoke "blowing in opposite directions" except from out of your own head. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   2:48:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #569. To: titorite (#562) The 25 rules of disinformation.... you are using them verbatim. You seem to be an expert at it, in your own mind at least. You should go back to disinfo school since you obviously suck at what you're trying to accomplish. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   2:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #570. To: All (#550) it's the NORTH tower viewed from the northeast, and smoke is blowing directly away from the observer (southeast), then expanding out from right to left in the distance. Correction. With all these idiotic back and forth posts I misspoke and said the first shot was from the northeast. I meant northwest, and had said northwest hundreds of posts ago. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   2:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #571. To: FormerLurker (#568) (Edited) There is no smoke "blowing in opposite directions" except from out of your own head. Lean to the left, smoke. Lean to the right. Stand up. Sit down. Fight, fight, fight with FL -- cuz, obviously, that's what they want you to do and seems they don't have anything better to do than spend their time on this for kicks. lol I'm aware that it all makes sense to you but, like I said before, you are no longer eligible to assist in deciding the matter for me. Your view makes about as much sense to me as this possibility for the destruction of the WTC -- which is slightly more plausible than your remote control non-evidence in the scenario, although I'll admit not by much /S: The Day The Earth Stood Still - Truck Destruction Sequence Edited paragraph 1. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-21   3:23:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #572. To: FormerLurker (#570) (Edited) Correction. With all these idiotic back and forth posts I misspoke and said the first shot was from the northeast. I meant northwest, and had said northwest hundreds of posts ago. I knew that. lol Not really. Since I'm here, though, do you realize that the example you cited a couple of times at 1:16 in the MSM newsclips video isn't really comparable to the Internet Archived NIST video because the NIST video shows a plane approach and the MSM newsclip video doesn't? This longer, 10-min. version of the video you've been rampaging about for so long has comparable examples of the archived NIST documentary in question (at the start) and the alleged plane impact too: 9/11 TV Fakery: Smoke & Mirrors I'm posting it because I like this question and answer session in the Comments section there: "Do people really believe the US governement could contain a plan like this from anyone." "that's the point, they didn't contain a plan like this. They messed up big time and everyone knows about it now. Anhd anyway this was a production set up by the media you follow without question, not your temporary government figureheads." These are the soundtrack lyrics, since they are annoyingly hard to hear there: I locked myself inside the capsule And watched the planet slowly turning blue The lights before me flashed and sparkled Holding keys to lives I've wandered through Circuits buzzing, visions passing Mysterious and cold upon the screen Glowing, flowing with the currents Yet never knowing where I've really been The floating seeds of timeless travel Come to rest in planes that don't exist Visiting worlds of crystal beauty Offering dreams so very hard to resist I've seen the past, I've seen the future Beyond dimension and into empty space Finding questions, never answers Living time behind another face Not sure what's the meaning of that so, Edited a typo + punctuation and am moving on... ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-21   4:12:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #573. To: GreyLmist (#572) I have been following this debate on and off for the past couple of days and haven't had time to keep up with the minutiae of the discussion, but I'd like to know how you'd respond to this question. Indeed there seem to be a number of anomalies that I see in this video (posted in #570), as there are in the "As it happened" collection of videos that you posted in #549. How do I know what I am seeing here is a video as it was released or copied from Detroit Public TV and hasn't been doctored to show something other than what the original producer had broadcast? I am focused on just the opening video in the opening of the "Smoke & Mirrors" - the one with the plane that appears out of nowhere for clarity's sake, so we don't get lost in what we are talking about (which can happen rather quickly when folks are discussing these sorts of topics.) Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken randge  posted on  2012-09-21   12:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #574. To: GreyLmist, randge, All (#572) (Edited) Since I'm here, though, do you realize that the example you cited a couple of times at 1:16 in the MSM newsclips video isn't really comparable to the Internet Archived NIST video because the NIST video shows a plane approach and the MSM newsclip video doesn't? This longer, 10-min. version of the video you've been rampaging about for so long has comparable examples of the archived NIST documentary in question (at the start) and the alleged plane impact too: I specified not only the short segment at 1:16 of the video you posted, but the time frame between 4:35 to 4:59. That original footage IS what your "Smoke and Mirrors" derived from, although that part of the original footage does not show the approach of the plane, just the resulting fireball and smoke. It is possible that the NIST archive contains the entire feed from that camera, whereas the original was only the live footage being broadcast in real time. It is VERY CLEAR however that the "smoke and mirrors" video was amatuerishly doctored to make it LOOK doctored, ie. the erasure of the original smoke plume and the step graduated copy overlayed where the smoke used to be in the video, along with a different sized impact fireball that hardly expands and doesn't result in a billow of smoke. In ALL of the original video that can be found, the fireball, resulting smoke, and smoke plume from the North Tower match. So yes, the "smoke and mirrors" video is exactly that, a cheap trick pulled off by a no planer to support his case, where he is guilty of the very thing he is accusing all of the news networks of perpetrating on 9/11, and that is fabricating evidence to support his cause. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   13:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #575. To: GreyLmist (#572) the archived NIST documentary in question Out of curiousity, do you have a link to the NIST documentary you cite, or are you just repeating what you've heard in the "Smoke and Mirrors" video? "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   13:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #576. To: GreyLmist, randge, All (#572) (Edited) Here's another clip of the live CBS footage aired live on the morning of 9/11. It does NOT show the approach of the aircraft. The "Smoke and Mirrors" video claims to have obtained its footage from Detroit Public TV, which in turn, oddly enough, obtained ITS footage from some defunct website named terrorize.dk, which was a domain out of Denmark. It is claimed to be a crop of the CBS footage, yet the CBS footage doesn't show the approach. It's obvious disinfo, which you either fell for, or are actively a participant in. [Edit] Oddly enough, Detroit Public TV has pulled its "documentary" off its website... Detroit Public TV "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   14:10:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #577. To: FormerLurker (#576) It's obvious disinfo, which you either fell for, or are actively a participant in. Please, some of us are really trying to get to the bottom of this. I am a participant in nothing. I am merely trying to get a handle on this stuff. WTF is this, BTW? Yet another version? Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken randge  posted on  2012-09-21   14:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #578. To: GreyLmist, randge, titorite, RickyJ, tom007, wudidiz, abraxas, All, *9-11* (#572) (Edited) Ah hah. Here's a clip of footage aired later by CBS, which does show the approach of the aircraft, yet starts with the aircraft already halfway from the right edge of the screen to the right side of the Empire State Building. It would be quite easy to start the clip generated by that terrorize.dk website by taking video with the aircraft out of the frame (ie. when the plane was hidden by the Empire State Building) and then inserting video with the aircraft on its approach, to make it look like the plane appeared out of nowhere. Being the smoke plume WAS doctored by terroize.dk, it is HIGHLY likely that is exactly what was done. In fact, you can see from the Detroit Public TV video at the 0:02 mark that the smoke plume gets fuzzy and appears to jump. That is exactly where the splice was made, and that is exactly where the aircraft "appears out of nowhere". [Edit] Please refer to post Post 582 for further analysis. In fact if you compare the smoke plume at the end of that clip, where the plane disappears behind the Empire State Building, that is EXACTLY where the video STARTS, The video is looped from the true start of the motion in the CBS video, with the plane edited out of the frame, then restarted slightly after the beginning of motion in the CBS video, giving the illusion that it was all one continuous clip with a plane appearing out of nowhere. This is OBVIOUS and BLATENT fabrication of false evidence on the part of terrorize.dk, and then further propagated by the author of the "Smoke and Mirrors" video. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   14:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #579. To: randge (#577) Please, some of us are really trying to get to the bottom of this. I am a participant in nothing. I am merely trying to get a handle on this stuff. I wasn't saying you were a participant randge, I was speaking to GreyLmist, but pinging you to what I was saying. Sorry for the misunderstanding. WTF is this, BTW? Yet another version? ' Yes, it's part of the original footage which showed the last part of the approach, and then the resulting impact. See my last post for further clarification as to exactly what is going on with "terrorize.dk", Detroit Public TV, and the "Smoke and Mirrors" video, and how it relates to the actual footage. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   14:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #580. To: FormerLurker (#579) It's extremely difficult to know whose collection of pixels is the genuine article here and what has been tampered with. I don't have the expertise myself and must rely on the interpretations of others. If they'd had cell phone cameras in Jesus' day, we'd be treated to vids of Jesus walking on water and yet others that show him wading in the surf. "See, they cropped his image and set him on top on the waves!" Then we'd be treated to a hot argument over the physics of waves and the prevalent air currents over the Sea of Galilee. I'm afraid that this is one area of the 911 investigation that suffers from the fact that the evidence is too easily tainted or suffers from a lack of clear provenance. Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken randge  posted on  2012-09-21   15:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #581. To: randge (#580) It's extremely difficult to know whose collection of pixels is the genuine article here and what has been tampered with. I don't have the expertise myself and must rely on the interpretations of others. The evidence of tampering on the part of terrorize.dk, the source for the Detroit Public TV and the extended "Smoke and Mirrors" video is blatent, where that video which is used to "prove" TV stations fabricated the aircraft and resulting impacts out of nothing, shows a splice at the 0:02 mark where the smoke appears to jump and go backwards. That is where the footage was modified to make it appear that the "plane came out of thin air". As far as the short version of the "Smoke and Mirrors" video, it is SUPER blatent that the smoke plume has been tampered with, if you compare it to not only the CBS footage, but ANY of the live footage from that day. It's quite ironic that the author of the video, who is claiming himself to be an expert apparently, wasn't bright enough to compare the terrorize.dk video with any of the original footage. Of course this causes confusion among some as to what is real and what isn't, and that is the clear intent of the "no plane theorist". "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   15:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #582. To: All (#578) (Edited) After more analysis, the terrorize.dk video of the aircraft approach was created as follows; The true beginning of the clip is looped, but with the aircraft edited out for the first pass, then restarted several tenths of seconds after the actual start point, this time with the aircraft in frame. Thus, it appears that the aircraft comes out of nowhere. In the original CBS footage, the video was freeze framed with the aircraft circled, then ran up to the end of the clip. The fake footage from terrorize.dk simply added a fake beginning using the original clip with the aircraft erased out of the frame, starting from where the CBS video actually begins to show motion, and then inserted the actual footage to slightly after (tenths of a second) the point of where the first segment was cut from, more than likely to make the splice less noticable in terms of positioning of the smoke plume. If you look though, it is STILL quite noticable, as the smoke jumps backwards right at the same time the aircraft "appears out of nowhere". "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   18:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #583. To: GreyLmist, All (#572) One more thing about this extended "Smoke and Mirrors" video. At 00:39 into the video it asks, "Why was the camera aimed slightly to the right of the Empire State Building instead of at the burning WTC?". It adds the comment, "A perfect position to catch the arrival of the 2nd plane". Thing is, terrorize.dk CROPPED the original CBS video to make it LOOK that way, whereas the original footage is a wide view of Lower Manhatten taken from north of the Empire State Building, with the WTC centered in the frame. Just one more thing that the "Smoke and Mirrors" video lies about. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   18:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #584. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#572) (Edited) Continuing the analysis of the "Smoke and Mirrors" extended video, it states at 1:29 that, "This is about the impact that was not shown". The original footage sure DID show that impact, but of course the author of "Smoke and Mirrors" would have his audience believe that his statement is beyond reproach. And of course, at 1:41 into the video, he shows his doctored version of the impact and the smoke plume from the North Tower, which he obviously edited from the original CBS footage to make it look as it does. He did this by erasing the smoke plume, copying a part of it, then cutting and pasting it in expanding sequences to recreate a fake plume. He then makes the claim that's what the original footage really shows, where in fact HE is the one who made it look that way. He goes on to show at 7:38 the actual CBS footage, which apparently he remembered DID exist, and claims it is a different clip of what he just spent minute upon minute "analyzing". He's disingenious enough to claim that the CBS newscaster is unaware of the plane in the video, whereas the live feed was NOT showing the aircraft approach, it only caught the actual fireball after the impact. It was only by replaying the feed from that particular camera AFTER the impact that the approach was visible. [Edit] Upon reexamining the live CBS footage, it's apparent that the newscaster didn't catch the plane on the first replay (2:33 into the video), but DID see it on the 2nd replay at 3:24 into the video, which is posted below. Has ANYONE besides me paid any attention to these rather critical inconsistencies and obvious deception? "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   19:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #585. To: All (#584) (Edited) It's quite obvious to me what the "no plane" movement is all about, and that is to deceive, mislead, and trick casual observers of the 9/11 Truth movement using fabricated evidence, false claims, and outright lies. What is obnoxious and sickening to me is the fact there are some who would ridicule those who disbelieve such nonsense, and accuse THOSE people of "disinfo", where it is blatently apparent it is the "no plane" movement that is pure disinformation being used to discredit or at minimum obscure any valid scientific data concerning 9/11, and to dismiss crucial analysis and discussion contrary to their agenda. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   19:35:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #586. To: randge (#573) (Edited) 1. Post #525 | PBS-Center 07 : US Department of Commerce, NIST : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive Click here: http://archive.org/details/PBS-Center07 -- 8.5 sec. clip with audio of the PBS documentary. Full version at Internet Archive. PBS-Center 07 (May 25, 2010) US Department of Commerce, NIST View Direction: north Duration: 8.475 File Size: 31,700,388 bytes (30.23 MB) This movie is part of the collection: NIST WTC Organized Video Repository Producer: US Department of Commerce, NIST 2. Post #572 | 9/11 TV Fakery: Smoke & Mirrors -- long version, 10 min. Description: The particular clip analyzed in this video was found on the 9/11 website terrorize.dk (now gone) back in early 2004 and has not been altered by the video-maker in any way. [My note: Contains the NIST PBS clip listed above at beginning of the video.] 3. Post #373 | 9-11 TV Fakery Smoke & Mirrors (short version) -- 4 min. Description: The particular clip analyzed in this video was found on the 9/11 website terrorize.dk (now gone) back in early 2004 and has not been altered by the video-maker in any way. 4. Post #549 | September 11, 2001 - As It Happened - The South Tower Attack -- 8.5 min. Me: 0:14 and 1:44 timestamps for comparison of smoke trajectories FL: 1:16 smoke issue and 4:35-4:59 plane and smoke issues; comparison to Smoke and Mirrors videos Description: This segment is comprised of a succession of newscasts that feature the impact of Flight 175 into the South Tower as it happened LIVE at 9:03 AM. This segment documents and preserves how just about each and every network covered the moment the South Tower was struck on live television. Included are clips from ABC News, CBS News, WNYW-TV (Channel 5, New York), WNBC- TV (Channel 4, New York), NY1 (New York One, All News), Fox News Channel, WCBS- TV (Channel 2, New York), WPIX-TV (Channel 11, New York)... Also included in this segment are four NON-BRAOADCAST angles of the impact of Flight 175 into the South Tower. They are included here for completeness and utilize audio from NPR Radio from the morning. This is an exerpt from the DVD - "September 11, 2001 - As It Happened - A Composite." 5. randge's newsclip video at Post #577 | Second plane hit, CBS, 9/11, 09:04 -- 0:18 seconds Description: Second plane hit, CBS, 9/11, 09:04 [My note: plane comes from behind Empire State building] 6. FL's newsclip video at Post #578 | 2nd hit CBS 9:17 am -- 0:38 seconds Description: 2nd plane impact 7. FL's newsclip video at Post #576 | 2nd hit - WCBS-TV (CBS2) **LIVE** -- 0:50 seconds Description: Live news footage of United Airlines Flight 175 hitting the south tower of the World Trade Center. You DO NOT actually see the plane in this video, the camera zooms out only after the plane crashed. Taken from local CBS affiliate CBS-2 in New York. [My note: no plane but smoke and explosion examples for comparisons to other videos] 8. FL's YouTube version of PBS-Center 07 documentary clip [Refs. NIST + Smoke and Mirrors videos] at Post #578 | 2nd hit Detroit Public TV (CBS 9:05 crop from terrorize.dk) -- 0:09 seconds Description: 2nd plane impact 9. הוכחה לזיוף טלוויזיוני ב 9/11 העשן מוכפל ! -- Hebrew version at YouTube of the Smoke and Mirrors long version video, posted June of this year. Published on Jun 25, 2012 by tuvalo2 Noted at 911conspiracy.tv (currently offline) re: Smoke & Mirrors YouTube video posted by Elpiper. The camera location: General Motors Building, aka FAO Schwartz, E 58th St at Madison Ave... 215 meters tall on ground elevated at 48 feet above sea level Lat 40.763595 Lon -73.972781 (Thanks, YougeneDebs) Link to Internet Archive Wayback Machine page-copy for terrorize.dk: Second Hit - North of the Empire State Building [Translate from Danish to English] Edited to add 3 more videos + formatting + 911conspiracy.tv info and terrorize.dk link + spelling + Notation below at Post #576 by FormerLurker [FL]: Oddly enough, Detroit Public TV has pulled its "documentary" off its website... Detroit Public TV ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-21   21:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #587. To: GreyLmist (#586) (Edited) 2. Post #572 | 9/11 TV Fakery: Smoke & Mirrors -- long version, 10 min. Did you happen to miss my last series of posts which thoroughly proves that the "Smoke & Mirrors" videos is actually a fraudulent succession of edits to the original CBS source video? "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   22:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #588. To: GreyLmist (#586) (Edited) Click here: http://archive.org/details/PBS-Center07 -- 8.5 sec. clip with audio of the PBS documentary. Full version at Internet Archive. PBS-Center 07 (May 25, 2010) US Department of Commerce, NIST View Direction: north Duration: 8.475 File Size: 31,700,388 bytes (30.23 MB) This movie is part of the collection: NIST WTC Organized Video Repository Producer: US Department of Commerce, NIST The apparent producer of the video, judging from the watermark in the video is WETA, a Washington DC based public broadcasting station. I have no idea why NIST would associate itself to the video, then again, perhaps with the deception they've already perpetrated it isn't hard to imagine they'd be the ones behind this one as well. Here's a bit about WETA WETA It's clear as day they (either WETA or NIST itself) manipulated the CBS video to create that video of the approach, where the plane appears out of nowhere. "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   22:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #589. To: FormerLurker (#575) Out of curiousity, do you have a link to the NIST documentary you cite, or are you just repeating what you've heard in the "Smoke and Mirrors" video? I posted the NIST video clip for the PBS documentary referenced in the Smoke and Mirrors videos at Post #525 and again at Post #586 in a collection of related videos for comparisons as an access convenience. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-21   22:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #590. To: GreyLmist (#586) Me: 0:14 and 1:44 timestamps for comparison of smoke trajectories Out of curiousity, are you ever going to tell me which way YOU think the smoke is travelling in each clip in regards to compass direction? "The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-21   22:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (591 - 674) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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