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Title: How 9/11 Was Done
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Published: Sep 3, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-09-03 14:09:24 by tom007
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How 9/11 Was Done For additional notes see the accompanying blog 911notes.blogspot.com. Prologue Read the following two screens of text to learn what happened at 9/11. 9/11 was a master plot, concocted by a handfull of Israelis and dual passport Americans and carried out by the resources of the Mossad. Larry Silverstein leases a nearly worthless dinosaur WTC building complex (worthless due to the asbestos the buildings were stuffed with and needed to be cleaned up, the cost of which may have rivaled the value of the buildings themselves) weeks before 9/11, makes sure it is over insured against terrorist acts and hires an Israeli security firm. From that moment on the coast is clear to let a team of demolition experts from the Israeli army led by Peer Segalovitz into the WTC buildings. These charges plus detonators had been prepared at the premises of the Urban Moving Systems company, a Mossad front. During the weeks before 9/11 these prepared charges were loaded into vans, driven into the basements of WTC Twin Towers next to the elevator shaft, unloaded into the elevator, and lifted onto the roof of the elevator through the opening in the elevator ceiling. Next the elevator moved from floor to floor while charges where being attached to the columns as displayed in this video from 0:22 onwards. The detonators of these charges were radiographic controlled and finally detonated from WTC7 on the day of 9/11. Fast backward, Hamburg 54 Marienstrasse, july 2000, 22:40. Mohamed Atta, Al Shehhi and Jarrah (who were later blamed of being the pilots of flight 11, 175 and 93 respectively), who share the apartment hear the ringing of the door bell. Jarrah opens the door, 5 masked men make their way into the apartment with drawn pistols. The 3 Arabs are forced to lay on the ground. Their passports are confiscated, next the 3 men are made unconscious with some liquid and strangled to death afterwards. The bodies are carried out of the apartment into a van and driven off towards a desolate spot at the boarding of the Elbe river outside Hamburg, 1 kilometer north of Borstel and disposed of into the river with a bag filled with stones tied to their feet. The 3 passports are now in the possession of the agents of the Mossad, who carried out the raid on the apartment and 3 Arabs have vanished without anybody knowing that they are dead. Not long after the raid the 3 passports are given to 3 Israeli agents who were selected on having some resemblance with the 3 Arabs just killed. They make for America soon afterwards in the summer of 2000 and start laying a trail at flight schools, posing with the stolen identities from the 3 Arabs killed. Years earlier the israeli Michael Goff working for PTech, an Arab owned software company that develops key enterprise software for many government institutions like NORAD and FAA, using his secure channel with another israeli Amit Yoran, somehow manages to give Israeli army computer programmers access to this critical computer code. It was due to this manipulation that the hijackings on 9/11 remained unnoticed by the flight controller of NORAD. Once this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center. The hijacking of airliners by remote control had been tested as a dress rehearsal for 9/11 on the Egypt Air flight 990 that crashed into the Atlantic on October 31, 1999. Now everything was in place to commit the crime of the century. On the day of 9/11 the Israeli stand-ins for the ‘Arab hijackers’ showed up at the predestined departure airports to make sure they were captured on surveillance camera’s. The crucial point here is that the security at both the departure airports was in hands of an Israeli firm Huntleigh-USA, a subsidiary of the Dutch based but Israeli owned ICTS led by a fellow named Menahem Atzmon. And this is crucial: Atzmon used to be a colleague of Olmert in 1998. So there you have the link between the 9/11 operative level (an airport security firm) and the highest level of Israeli politics. What happened on the morning of 9/11 was that after the Israeli stand-ins were captured on camera, they left the airport via a side entrance and the show could begin. Minutes after the planes became air born somebody somehow was able to send a signal to the planes, causing the control panels to be disabled and the flight destination altered. What happened was that an anti-hijack system was activated (code word ‘home run’) and the regular pilot was put out of control. This pilot will probably have tried frantically to regain control of his aircraft. It is not very likely he will have told his passengers about the new situation since that would only cause panic. The passengers probably suspected nothing and hence had no reason to make any phone calls to their relatives (which were not possible anyway). And while the 9/11 passengers unsuspecting travel towards their immanent deaths, on the ground from a war room Israeli agents carry out phone calls to relatives of the passengers that were still in the air, using voice morphing technology and caller-ID spoofing and thus planted the Arabs-did-it-deception in the public consciousness. The sound samples necessary to carry out the fake telephone calls had been obtained via the israeli infiltration of American telephone networks by Israeli firms like Amdocs and Verint. By the time that the passengers were puzzled as they discerned the New York sky line it was already too late. Meanwhile on the other side of the Hudson river the members of the Israeli team that planted the demolition charges were waiting for things to happen. And while the rest of New York experienced in horror the events that were unfolding that day, the demolition experts were celebrating and high-fiving. The plot had worked out magnificently. *** Please save this page to your local hard drive *** This blog is the verbal expression of an adaptive learning process. Please come back regularly. Core Argument Ok, I admit. Some elements in this story are speculative. I do not know for instance if Atta was killed in Germany or in America. But the story is an coherent educated speculation. It is an attempt to reconstruct the events of 9/11. Myriads of web sites exist that expose the inconsistencies in the official story, that obviously is a fraud. This story offers an integral explanation of what could have happened and in all likelihood more or less did happen at 9/11 as there can be hardly any doubt about who was behind 9/11 if one rejects the official story. Some elements remain vague, like what happened exactly to WTC7, flight77, flight93 or Mohamed Atta. But these questions are of academic interest only. It’s clear who was behind 9/11 and what happened in detail with WTC-1/2 and the planes. That is enough. Here’s where most people got killed. The rest of the plot can be uncovered by a tribunal. In order to prevent that you get swallowed up by yet another 10 meters of screen text here is the core of the argument. The story is based on 2 broadly accepted postulates: 1) WTC was brought down by controlled demolition 2) The ‘dancing Israelis’ on the morning of 9/11 had foreknowledge of things to come These 2 premises are enough to put the Official Conspiracy Theory (Arabs did it) out of business. Premise 2 leads to the preliminary conclusion that the Israelis had foreknowledge because they organized the attacks themselves. Since Israelis are not known to commit suicide attacks we have to assume that the airplanes that crashed into their destinations were remote controlled. If one accepts this as a working hypothesis than there is a lot, I mean really a lot, of material that supports this Israeli Conspiracy Theory that replaces the official Arab Conspiracy Theory. We have the dedicated Zionist Silverstein who leases the WTC complex and over insures it against terrorism (leading to a hansom profit); we know that security at all departure airports and ‘arrival airports’ (WTC) was in Israeli hands (Huntleigh-USA and Kroll Associates, resp.); we know that the owner of Huntleigh-USA, Menachem Atzmon, a convicted criminal, had strong ties to Ehud Olmert, that is the highest level of Israeli politics; we also know that the Israeli secret service can eavesdrop on virtually everybody in the USA via Israeli owned companies like Amdocs and Verint which gave the Mossad the possibility to obtain sound samples of future 9/11 passengers to apply voice morphing to in order to make the fake phone calls on 9/11. And of course there is Dov Zakheim, the real mastermind of 9/11 who was CEO of SPC for 4 years prior to 9/11, a company that produces systems for remote control of airplanes. The same Zakheim that was a member of the Zionist dominated PNAC group, that more or less plotted for a global American empire, and suggested that a ‘New Pearl Harbor‘ (page 51) could speed things up a bit; and finally the same Zakheim that 6 months before 9/11 became supervisor of a group of Pentagon comptrollers that had to sort out what had happened to the 2.3 trillion dollars that were missing from the Pentagon books; many of these comptrollers conveniently got killed on 9/11 and much of the financial data went with them. This is the core of the story. Note: I am not claiming that 9/11 is solved. Of this however we can be certain: WTC controlled demolition, Israelis carried out the operation, no Arab hijackers, mastermind Zakheim, motive PNAC & Clean Break and remote control. I do not care about flight77 or 93, those are details to be solved by crime investigators. The most pressing question is that of remote control: how was that done? Were the original flights 11 and 175 remote controlled themselves or was there a plane swap as some have suggested, including Bollyn? Disclaimer: nobody is guilty until convicted by a court of law. This blog’s intent is to stimulate thinking about 9/11 from a different angle than the official one. From day one the blame has been put at bin Laden and his people without real evidence. Today bin Laden is no longer persecuted for 9/11 according to the FBI website. The theory proposed here might be true or false or contain some truth. In the end it must be an official investigation that determines who is guilty and who is not. This blog is dedicated to Italian ex-president Cossiga who is the highest ranking statesman to date who has openly stated that it was the Mossad who has carried out the 9/11 attacks.
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#587. To: GreyLmist (#586)
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Did you happen to miss my last series of posts which thoroughly proves that the "Smoke & Mirrors" videos is actually a fraudulent succession of edits to the original CBS source video? PBS-Center 07 (May 25, 2010) US Department of Commerce, NIST View Direction: north Duration: 8.475 File Size: 31,700,388 bytes (30.23 MB) This movie is part of the collection: NIST WTC Organized Video Repository Producer: US Department of Commerce, NIST The apparent producer of the video, judging from the watermark in the video is WETA, a Washington DC based public broadcasting station. I have no idea why NIST would associate itself to the video, then again, perhaps with the deception they've already perpetrated it isn't hard to imagine they'd be the ones behind this one as well. Here's a bit about WETA It's clear as day they (either WETA or NIST itself) manipulated the CBS video to create that video of the approach, where the plane appears out of nowhere. I posted the NIST video clip for the PBS documentary referenced in the Smoke and Mirrors videos at Post #525 and again at Post #586 in a collection of related videos for comparisons as an access convenience. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Out of curiousity, are you ever going to tell me which way YOU think the smoke is travelling in each clip in regards to compass direction? Uh yeah, I just responded to that post. Now why do you think a WETA produced video would be claimed by NIST? Was it NIST who doctored the CBS video, or was it WETA? Oh yes, I guess I missed that one. I had earlier asked you for a simple yes or no as to whether you were saying there wasn't a smoke plume coming from the North Tower, and in your response in post 525 you said something about me posting "voluminous and redundant, bilious verbiage round and round and round". Like wow, just a bit of projection there on your part, don't you think? You still tap danced and dodged the question, so I didn't bother reading that post any further. Apparently that's where you decided to post a video of the "airplane out of nowhere", ignoring the very simple question as to whether or not you think there was a smoke plume or not. Watcha think of this? I think video compression causes a loss of resolution, especially that of a repetitive linear pattern such as the outside of the WTC. Have you ever used a digital camera to take a picture of an object with closely spaced lines in it? You'll notice there is distortion where the lines appear to blend together. The same is true of compressed video. It is digitized, and pixel data which the compression algorithm deems redundant is discarded. The only way to see what the actual video showed in terms of the entry hole damage at that instant in time is to view the non compressed version, which may or not be digital, since in 2001 I think a lot of high end cameras were using digital recording rather than analog. The thing is about the whole "no planes" theory is that nobody appears to be in agreement as to what is real and what is not, even between no planers themselves. Nobody wants to say yes I think this is true, or no I think that is untrue. Add to that the fraudulent evidence, along with the rather implausible idea that the entire international news media conspired to produce false events in real time using videos prepared ahead of time in a highly sophisticated studio, and that nobody out of the millions of people in NYC stated that what was broadcast on live television was NOT what they were seeing with their own eyes, well, I think it's a rather impossible concept. Indeed there seem to be a number of anomalies that I see in this video (posted in #570), as there are in the "As it happened" collection of videos that you posted in #549. I think you meant #572 because #570 doesn't have a video posted there. The sprawl of vids and info is confusing and posts have been problematic to go to specifically on my computer when doing searches in Full Thread mode (probably because it's vast), so I consolidated the posts and their videos (at Post #586) which I thought to be most relevant to the current issues about the Smoke and Mirrors controversy, as well as the anomalies about smoke and plane trajectories, etc. Below are the two videos which are listed there that I think you've noted for various anomalies observed: 2. Post #572 | 9/11 TV Fakery: Smoke & Mirrors -- long version, 10 min. 4. Post #549 | September 11, 2001 - As It Happened - The South Tower Attack -- 8.5 min. I am focused on just the opening video in the opening of the "Smoke & Mirrors" - the one with the plane that appears out of nowhere for clarity's sake, so we don't get lost in what we are talking about (which can happen rather quickly when folks are discussing these sorts of topics.) Also at Post #586 linked above is a NIST clip (Producer: US Department of Commerce, NIST) at Internet Archive of the PBS-Center 07 documentary referenced in both of the Smoke and Mirrors videos. This is the link for the documentary clip at Internet Archive: http://archive.org/details/PBS-Center07. An Individual Files section is listed at the bottom of the page that you might be able to reference for further comparisons. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Actually, the source of the "Smoke and Mirrors" video is from Detroit Public TV, which got ITS version of the clip from either terrorize.dk or WETA. I don't see where NIST comes in to the picture except for the fact they have archived the video. So either terrorize.dk, WETA, or NIST (if they are the actual source), are the ones who doctored the CBS video to give the illusion of a plane appearing out of nowhere. Have you ever used a digital camera to take a picture of an object with closely spaced lines in it? You'll notice there is distortion where the lines appear to blend together. The same is true of compressed video. It is digitized, and pixel data which the compression algorithm deems redundant is discarded. The only way to see what the actual video showed in terms of the entry hole damage at that instant in time is to view the non compressed version, which may or not be digital, since in 2001 I think a lot of high end cameras were using digital recording rather than analog. The thing is about the whole "no planes" theory is that nobody appears to be in agreement as to what is real and what is not, even between no planers themselves. Nobody wants to say yes I think this is true, or no I think that is untrue. Add to that the fraudulent evidence, along with the rather implausible idea that the entire international news media conspired to produce false events in real time using videos prepared ahead of time in a highly sophisticated studio, and that nobody out of the millions of people in NYC stated that what was broadcast on live television was NOT what they were seeing with their own eyes, well, I think it's a rather impossible concept. You have failed to address any of the anomalies in the picture. You talk about video compression, but the images are taken from a video shown on the news. One of the ones used as "evidence" of a plane hit. Wud, ALL videos found on the Internet are compressed, thus obscuring fine details in the sort of patterns I described. You asked me what I thought, I gave you my thoughts, so what's the beef? killtown.911review.org/2nd- hit.html There are hundreds of images and animated gifs there, but not much in the way of video that's still available. So what exactly are you talking about? You didn't post a video, just somebody's tiny video capture images which may or not even be "untouched". You have to be more specific than "Watcha think of this", especially when there is nothing being said or asked. You want to talk about THIS video? It's an actual video of what I think you're trying to show. Notice the blockiness though, that is because it is not only compressed, but it's a digital enlargement of a compressed video that's THEN been recompressed and uploaded to YouTube which runs the video through an Adobe Flash video converter which ALSO performs its own compression. Nope. In case you didn't get the memos about that earlier: I took you off my Assistance List on that matter. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
If you want to watch something which might answer some of your questions and open your eyes to things, here's this... Deleted a duplicate post here. Edit to add: So that this post is not just a waste of space, am noting here that additional info was added to Post #586 since the time this one and #603 (with the memo on reference material copies sent) were pinged. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Pinging copies of reference materials at Post #586. May have to try accessing the post more than once if it goes to the opening post in this thread first, as my computer does likely due to thread-length. If so, go to the end of the path for Post #586 in the browser and click Enter.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
So let's see. You are refusing to state WHAT direction you think the smoke is going, HAVE refused to state which direction the smoke is going, yet CLAIM that the smoke is going in the wrong direction. Thing is, you don't seem to KNOW WHICH DIRECTION the smoke SHOULD be travelling to begin with, and can't seem to determine the orientation for the view in each clip you specified, ie. 0:14 and 1:44. The first view is from the northwest of the North Tower, with the South Tower obscured since it was directly southeast of the North Tower. The second view is from due west of the towers from a further distance, with the North Tower to the left and the South Tower to the right. The smoke moves to the southeast in both clips. So what part of any of the above are you unable to understand, and/or what part of it do you disagree with? You're not helping prove your sincerity in this by ducking and evading the question. For anyone who wants to see how the NIST/WETA/Detroit Public TV/terrorize.dk/Smoke and Mirrors "plane out of nowhere" video clip was created, click on the link below to post 578. Subsequent posts 582, 583, and 584 analyze the deception behind the "Smoke and Mirrors" video in detail.
My apologies to terrorize.dk as I've checked the archived page you linked, and using the Google Translate function, found that the author of THAT site was apparently saying the same things I just said about how the "airplane appears out of nowhere" was faked, ie. by splicing in a modified version of the beginning which has the plane erased, picked up at the 0:02 mark where the smoke jumps backwards. The person was refering to the Detroit Public TV video, so obviously DPTV didn't get the video from terrorize.dk, rather it was the other way around. So then apparently both Detroit Public TV and WETA got their video from the same source, one or the other produced it. Is that source actually NIST? Did NIST fake the "plane out of nowhere" to instigate the "no plane" theory? You're not helping prove your sincerity in this by ducking and evading the question. You're like a Looney Tunes duck, honestly, "daffy-1". This is an example of why it's unproductive to converse seriously with you lately, FL, and why the length of this thread (over unwarranted redundancies) is causing manueverability issues to wade through it for more important matters. I have not refused to state which direction the smoke is going and don't recall at the moment having used the particular phrase "wrong direction", although I might have. I've told you multiple times already that the smoke is going in opposite directions. Also, that the plane is moving from right to left in both examples I cited (0:14 and 1:44) but the smoke is moving to the left and away from the plane flying through a clear sky in the first example (at 0:14) and in the second example (at 1:44) the smoke is moving towards the plane and over it as it flows from left to right. Capiche now? Probably not but it's not a priority to me if you still don't get it. Ref: Post #586 ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Also, that the plane is moving from right to left in both examples I cited (0:14 and 1:44) So what? The plane was moving northwards, so viewing from the northwest or from the west will show a right to left motion. but the smoke is moving to the left and away from the plane flying through a clear sky in the first example (at 0:14) No. It is moving away from the observer, and the view is from the northwest, thus the direction of the smoke is southeast. The easterly component will give the appearance of a leftwards motion, but THAT part of the plume is well past the WTC and out in the distance after having expanded. It is quite clear that the smoke pouring out of the North Tower is heading directly towards the South Tower, which is southeast of the North Tower. and in the second example (at 1:44) the smoke is moving towards the plane and over it as it flows from left to right. You're wrong. In the second clip, viewed from roughly due west of the WTC, the smoke is not just moving left to right (southwards), but also outwards (eastwards). The plane itself was west of the smoke and does not fly through it. Capiche now? Do you? The person was refering to the Detroit Public TV video, so obviously DPTV didn't get the video from terrorize.dk, rather it was the other way around. So then apparently both Detroit Public TV and WETA got their video from the same source, one or the other produced it. Is that source actually NIST? Did NIST fake the "plane out of nowhere" to instigate the "no plane" theory? afaik, the source is NIST. The Producer is listed as US Department of Commerce, NIST. Doubtful that the video was created for any NoPlanesTheory reason. As I said before (I think more than once), to my recollection, the video was Media manipulated for Iraq War propaganda purposes. For whatever reason it was done, that is likely where the graduated smoke copy was inserted, although there are smoke anomalies and smoke-shape issues between similar scenes in the videos listed for comparison. Other MSM video clips of 9/11 do show the plane image appearing out of nowhere. As far as the plane being shown on only one side or the other of the Empire State building and not a full approach path in some places, I doubt that is meant to be intentionally misleading as to where the plane image first appears in its approach. Rather, it's likely due to particular disscussion points about the scene. The video states that the smoke is the main focus of the analysis and not so much the plane, etc. Nice talking to ya this time, FL. Appreciated reading your thoughtful note. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Things is GL, the Smoke and Mirrors author implies that this is actual footage from the day of 9/11, and uses it to "prove" his "no planes" theory. He even has the blatent audacity to say that the NIST video is taken from a different camera than the CBS video which he later includes in his presentation, while making dishonest remarks about how the "camera was aimed slightly to the right of the Empire State Building instead of at the burning WTC", where in reality the shot is a cropped and doctored version of the CBS video he later includes in his own video. He goes on to draw attention, repeatedly I might add, to how it "comes out of nowhere". And yes, he then shows the wider angle version of the CBS clip with a doctored smoke plume, going into detail about how it was fake. Sure it's fake, but it's ALSO doctored video based upon the original CBS video, which does NOT contain a fake smoke plume, it contains the real one. Do you? I think so. You seem to be saying, basically, that it's just an optical illusion but the shift in the buildings from one view to the next isn't significant enough for me to see it your way at this time. Didn't appreaciate this note as much as the last one, though, but nice try anyway. Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
It's a matter of 3 dimensional motion in a 2 dimensional space. You need to visualize the depth of the shot.
1st clip is a closeup shot looking southeast, where the 2nd clip is a far away shot looking due east. There will be a 45 degree shift in perspective, AND the perceived depth will be different between the two.
I am behind on reading through the updates to this thread and the time I have left for this session is short. It will likely be a couple of days or more before I can get back to it with enough time for analysis and fact checking. If you check other CBS videos from that day, I think you will find that the plane image does appear out of nowhere in more than the Smoke and Mirrors videos. That isn't the first and only time the MSM CBS-footage of that day has been researched. L8r.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The original CBS source video has the plane freeze framed with a circle around it before showing the approach, and that is the only version of the full approach from CBS I could find. I haven't seen anything other than the doctored NIST video or its derivitives that show a "plane out of nowhere". Thanks for the hints. I'll think on it some more eventually, no doubt, cuz if I happen to forget to do that, you'll most likely make it your business at some point to remind me, I reckon. : /
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Will try to look around for more examples of the CBS footage after the weekend - - sooner if possible. Am a bit tuckered out right now and have to get busy shortly with other things. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Well I have never been to disinfo school. And the people that know me know what a real life human being I am... as well as the mess that I am. All that I wish to accompilish is the sharing of information I have gathered over my years of research. (Edited out the snarky shit I had to say) ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
The no-planers still arguing in this thread? I doubt no-planers will ever go away or be convinced they are in error, but they sure are derailing the main subject of this thread, and that is Israeli involvement in 9/11. I can't say for sure they are disinfo, but I can say they are not very logical thinkers. God is always good!
If you've ever seen a plane fly thru smoke, I think you will agree THEY DO LEAVE A VISIBLE WAKE. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
The Joos had their fingerprints all over 9-11. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
They do with or without smoke, but those planes probably didn't fly through smoke. God is always good!
But they don't [Edit: usually] leave a visible wake in clear air. In fact, I've never seen a wake form from planes passing in and out of clouds. The vortices themselves are rather low speed rotating air currents [Edit: Ok so I was wrong about that, where the core is actually spinning at high speed], they aren't super fast nor are they high pressure cyclones. They have enough force however to affect aircraft flying through them. Thing is, this is what wing tip vortices look like. These were formed by a F-18 pulling a high-g manuever. The creation of visible vortices depends on a number of factors, such as dew point, air temperature, wing loading, velocity, and air pressure. So it is rather impossible to calculate without having detailed weather data for NYC on the morning of 9/11, and knowing the speed of the aircraft with a fair degree of certainty, whether or not visibile vortices should have formed when the plane banked into the South Tower. You are still not understanding this... I think you are being obstinate on purpose. It is like this... THe plane flies... a wake is made... It follows a plane.. it exists regardless... Do you have to see wind to be knocked over by it? I mean this is not that complicated of an idea.... how you could of been missing this far... I can not fathom unless you were doing so purposefully ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
The vortices don't "follow" the plane, they are formed BEHIND the plane and do not have any forward motion. They drift with the wind, and the wind was moving southeast, away from the towers. Additionally, they are dispersed by the ground and surrounding buildings, and were most likely scattered due to the shock wave created by the explosion. In fact, if you look at the smoke cloud formed at the exit hole of the South Tower, it formed a funnel type cloud within the first few seconds then dispersed. So there is nothing in actual footage which appears different than it should, AND, it's quite obvious a plane hit the building. Additionally, they are dispersed by the ground and surrounding buildings, and were most likely scattered due to the shock wave created by the explosion. In fact, if you look at the smoke cloud formed at the exit hole of the South Tower, it formed a funnel type cloud within the first few seconds then dispersed. So there is nothing in actual footage which appears different than it should, AND, it's quite obvious a plane hit the building. Wow, were making progress. Glad to see you move away from the position of insisting that smoke be present for a wake vortex to exist. Now then, Vortices DO follow the path of the plane. Why you think Newtonian physics do not apply to the 911 planes is beyond me.... anyways the wake is formed and it follows a plane just like a wake of a boat follows a boat. Now if that boat speeds into and over the banks it's wake does not disappear. It crashes into the banks and disperses outwards. Also a newly formed vortex does not drift with the wind...... Come on man you are just now learning about this stuff , who are you trying to fool here US or yourself? Because anyone that knows much about this subject knows some of these lines you have been expressing are grossly incorrect. Like smoke being a necessary component of wake vortex or here saying that a a wake vortex will drift with he wind or comparing the wing tip vortex of a fighter jet in a high G manuver as opposed to a typical commercial jet vortex. The two look very different and I almost wonder if your intent was to mislead. I mean anyone that searches wake vortex in an image search will see how HUGH a vortex is compared to your faux example.... Then you throw in some supposition : ................................................. Additionally, they are dispersed by the ground and surrounding buildings, and were most likely scattered due to the shock wave created by the explosion. ...................................................... Well thats great and all but since you are still learning about how a wake vortex is formed and how long it lasts and how powerful it can be.... The time is not right for you to make suppositions... you need to learn more about this till you know it better. The effects can tumbles cars. If you knew more about wake vortex you would know that too. And no, their is no vortex effect on the towers.. fakers have tried to point to things that arent there... no doubt you have already latched onto those videos and have them ready to post in counter to my words regardless of the accuracy of those vids because those people are grabbing at straws... And please be aware that you last line is total brainwashed circular logic: ........................................... So there is nothing in actual footage which appears different than it should, AND, it's quite obvious a plane hit the building. .............................. And you like to eat apples because apples tastes good and thats why you like to eat apples . You wanna run with remote control planes, and pods, and drones and everything else and then hypocritically claim nothing in that footage is out of the ordinary... you're looking for missile flashes and fighter jet pixel blips and you want to tell us all here that everything is on the up and up on your say so?.... Unless you say otherwise. Keep learning more about the wake vortex effect ... ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest2. Post #572 | 9/11 TV Fakery: Smoke & Mirrors -- long version, 10 min.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#588. To: GreyLmist (#586)
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Click here: http://archive.org/details/PBS-Center07 -- 8.5 sec. clip with audio of the PBS documentary. Full version at Internet Archive.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#589. To: FormerLurker (#575)
Out of curiousity, do you have a link to the NIST documentary you cite, or are you just repeating what you've heard in the "Smoke and Mirrors" video?
#590. To: GreyLmist (#586)
Me: 0:14 and 1:44 timestamps for comparison of smoke trajectories
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#591. To: GreyLmist (#589)
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I posted the NIST video clip for the PBS documentary referenced in the Smoke and Mirrors videos at Post #525 and again at Post #586 in a collection of related videos for comparisons as an access convenience.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#592. To: GreyLmist (#589)
I posted the NIST video clip for the PBS documentary referenced in the Smoke and Mirrors videos at Post #525
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#593. To: FormerLurker (#578)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#594. To: wudidiz (#593)
Watcha think of this?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#595. To: randge (#573)
I have been following this debate on and off for the past couple of days and haven't had time to keep up with the minutiae of the discussion, but I'd like to know how you'd respond to this question.
How do I know what I am seeing here is a video as it was released or copied from Detroit Public TV and hasn't been doctored to show something other than what the original producer had broadcast?
#596. To: GreyLmist, randge, *9-11* (#595)
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Also at Post #586 linked above is a NIST clip (Producer: US Department of Commerce, NIST) at Internet Archive of the PBS-Center 07 documentary referenced in both of the Smoke and Mirrors videos. This is the link for the documentary clip at Internet Archive: http://archive.org/details/PBS-Center07.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#597. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#594)
I think video compression causes a loss of resolution, especially that of a repetitive linear pattern such as the outside of the WTC.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#598. To: wudidiz (#597)
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You have failed to address any of the anomalies in the picture. You talk about video compression, but the images are taken from a video shown on the news. One of the ones used as "evidence" of a plane hit.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#599. To: wudidiz (#597)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#600. To: FormerLurker (#590)
Out of curiousity, are you ever going to tell me which way YOU think the smoke is travelling in each clip in regards to compass direction?
#601. To: wudidiz, *9-11* (#597)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#602. To: , *No Planers* (#586)
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#603. To: *No Planers* (#586)
#604. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#600)
Nope. In case you didn't get the memos about that earlier: I took you off my Assistance List on that matter.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#605. To: All, *9-11* (#578)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#606. To: GreyLmist, randge, All, *9-11* (#586)
Link to Internet Archive Wayback Machine page-copy for terrorize.dk: Second Hit - North of the Empire State Building [Translate from Danish to English]
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#607. To: FormerLurker (#604)
So let's see. You are refusing to state WHAT direction you think the smoke is going, HAVE refused to state which direction the smoke is going, yet CLAIM that the smoke is going in the wrong direction.
4. Post #549 | September 11, 2001 - As It Happened - The South Tower Attack -- 8.5 min.
#608. To: GreyLmist (#607)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#609. To: FormerLurker (#606)
My apologies to terrorize.dk as I've checked the archived page you linked, and using the Google Translate function, found that the author of THAT site was apparently saying the same things I just said about how the "airplane appears out of nowhere" was faked, ie. by splicing in a modified version of the beginning which has the plane erased, picked up at the 0:02 mark where the smoke jumps backwards.
#610. To: GreyLmist (#609)
I doubt that is meant to be intentionally misleading as to where the plane image first appears in its approach. Rather, it's likely due to particular disscussion points about the scene. The video states that the smoke is the main focus of the analysis and not so much the plane, etc.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#611. To: FormerLurker (#608)
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Capiche now?
#612. To: GreyLmist (#611)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#613. To: GreyLmist (#611)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#614. To: FormerLurker (#610)
#615. To: GreyLmist (#614)
If you check other CBS videos from that day, I think you will find that the plane image does appear out of nowhere in more than the Smoke and Mirrors videos
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#616. To: FormerLurker (#613)
#617. To: FormerLurker (#615)
The original CBS source video has the plane freeze framed with a circle around it before showing the approach, and that is the only version of the full approach from CBS I could find. I haven't seen anything other than the doctored NIST video or its derivitives that show a "plane out of nowhere".
#618. To: FormerLurker (#569)
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You seem to be an expert at it, in your own mind at least. You should go back to disinfo school since you obviously suck at what you're trying to accomplish.
#619. To: all (#618)
#620. To: FormerLurker (#501)
You are claiming that planes leave visible wakes in the air just like boats do in water.
#621. To: RickyJ (#619)
Israeli involvement in 9/11.
#622. To: BTP Holdings (#620)
If you've ever seen a plane fly thru smoke, I think you will agree THEY DO LEAVE A VISIBLE WAKE.
#623. To: BTP Holdings (#620)
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If you've ever seen a plane fly thru smoke, I think you will agree THEY DO LEAVE A VISIBLE WAKE.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#624. To: BTP Holdings (#620)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#625. To: FormerLurker (#624)
#626. To: titorite (#625)
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It follows a plane.. it exists regardless...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#627. To: FormerLurker (#626)
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The vortices don't "follow" the plane, they are formed BEHIND the plane and do not have any forward motion. They drift with the wind, and the wind was moving southeast, away from the towers.
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