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Title: How 9/11 Was Done
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Published: Sep 3, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-09-03 14:09:24 by tom007
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How 9/11 Was Done For additional notes see the accompanying blog 911notes.blogspot.com. Prologue Read the following two screens of text to learn what happened at 9/11. 9/11 was a master plot, concocted by a handfull of Israelis and dual passport Americans and carried out by the resources of the Mossad. Larry Silverstein leases a nearly worthless dinosaur WTC building complex (worthless due to the asbestos the buildings were stuffed with and needed to be cleaned up, the cost of which may have rivaled the value of the buildings themselves) weeks before 9/11, makes sure it is over insured against terrorist acts and hires an Israeli security firm. From that moment on the coast is clear to let a team of demolition experts from the Israeli army led by Peer Segalovitz into the WTC buildings. These charges plus detonators had been prepared at the premises of the Urban Moving Systems company, a Mossad front. During the weeks before 9/11 these prepared charges were loaded into vans, driven into the basements of WTC Twin Towers next to the elevator shaft, unloaded into the elevator, and lifted onto the roof of the elevator through the opening in the elevator ceiling. Next the elevator moved from floor to floor while charges where being attached to the columns as displayed in this video from 0:22 onwards. The detonators of these charges were radiographic controlled and finally detonated from WTC7 on the day of 9/11. Fast backward, Hamburg 54 Marienstrasse, july 2000, 22:40. Mohamed Atta, Al Shehhi and Jarrah (who were later blamed of being the pilots of flight 11, 175 and 93 respectively), who share the apartment hear the ringing of the door bell. Jarrah opens the door, 5 masked men make their way into the apartment with drawn pistols. The 3 Arabs are forced to lay on the ground. Their passports are confiscated, next the 3 men are made unconscious with some liquid and strangled to death afterwards. The bodies are carried out of the apartment into a van and driven off towards a desolate spot at the boarding of the Elbe river outside Hamburg, 1 kilometer north of Borstel and disposed of into the river with a bag filled with stones tied to their feet. The 3 passports are now in the possession of the agents of the Mossad, who carried out the raid on the apartment and 3 Arabs have vanished without anybody knowing that they are dead. Not long after the raid the 3 passports are given to 3 Israeli agents who were selected on having some resemblance with the 3 Arabs just killed. They make for America soon afterwards in the summer of 2000 and start laying a trail at flight schools, posing with the stolen identities from the 3 Arabs killed. Years earlier the israeli Michael Goff working for PTech, an Arab owned software company that develops key enterprise software for many government institutions like NORAD and FAA, using his secure channel with another israeli Amit Yoran, somehow manages to give Israeli army computer programmers access to this critical computer code. It was due to this manipulation that the hijackings on 9/11 remained unnoticed by the flight controller of NORAD. Once this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center. The hijacking of airliners by remote control had been tested as a dress rehearsal for 9/11 on the Egypt Air flight 990 that crashed into the Atlantic on October 31, 1999. Now everything was in place to commit the crime of the century. On the day of 9/11 the Israeli stand-ins for the ‘Arab hijackers’ showed up at the predestined departure airports to make sure they were captured on surveillance camera’s. The crucial point here is that the security at both the departure airports was in hands of an Israeli firm Huntleigh-USA, a subsidiary of the Dutch based but Israeli owned ICTS led by a fellow named Menahem Atzmon. And this is crucial: Atzmon used to be a colleague of Olmert in 1998. So there you have the link between the 9/11 operative level (an airport security firm) and the highest level of Israeli politics. What happened on the morning of 9/11 was that after the Israeli stand-ins were captured on camera, they left the airport via a side entrance and the show could begin. Minutes after the planes became air born somebody somehow was able to send a signal to the planes, causing the control panels to be disabled and the flight destination altered. What happened was that an anti-hijack system was activated (code word ‘home run’) and the regular pilot was put out of control. This pilot will probably have tried frantically to regain control of his aircraft. It is not very likely he will have told his passengers about the new situation since that would only cause panic. The passengers probably suspected nothing and hence had no reason to make any phone calls to their relatives (which were not possible anyway). And while the 9/11 passengers unsuspecting travel towards their immanent deaths, on the ground from a war room Israeli agents carry out phone calls to relatives of the passengers that were still in the air, using voice morphing technology and caller-ID spoofing and thus planted the Arabs-did-it-deception in the public consciousness. The sound samples necessary to carry out the fake telephone calls had been obtained via the israeli infiltration of American telephone networks by Israeli firms like Amdocs and Verint. By the time that the passengers were puzzled as they discerned the New York sky line it was already too late. Meanwhile on the other side of the Hudson river the members of the Israeli team that planted the demolition charges were waiting for things to happen. And while the rest of New York experienced in horror the events that were unfolding that day, the demolition experts were celebrating and high-fiving. The plot had worked out magnificently. *** Please save this page to your local hard drive *** This blog is the verbal expression of an adaptive learning process. Please come back regularly. Core Argument Ok, I admit. Some elements in this story are speculative. I do not know for instance if Atta was killed in Germany or in America. But the story is an coherent educated speculation. It is an attempt to reconstruct the events of 9/11. Myriads of web sites exist that expose the inconsistencies in the official story, that obviously is a fraud. This story offers an integral explanation of what could have happened and in all likelihood more or less did happen at 9/11 as there can be hardly any doubt about who was behind 9/11 if one rejects the official story. Some elements remain vague, like what happened exactly to WTC7, flight77, flight93 or Mohamed Atta. But these questions are of academic interest only. It’s clear who was behind 9/11 and what happened in detail with WTC-1/2 and the planes. That is enough. Here’s where most people got killed. The rest of the plot can be uncovered by a tribunal. In order to prevent that you get swallowed up by yet another 10 meters of screen text here is the core of the argument. The story is based on 2 broadly accepted postulates: 1) WTC was brought down by controlled demolition 2) The ‘dancing Israelis’ on the morning of 9/11 had foreknowledge of things to come These 2 premises are enough to put the Official Conspiracy Theory (Arabs did it) out of business. Premise 2 leads to the preliminary conclusion that the Israelis had foreknowledge because they organized the attacks themselves. Since Israelis are not known to commit suicide attacks we have to assume that the airplanes that crashed into their destinations were remote controlled. If one accepts this as a working hypothesis than there is a lot, I mean really a lot, of material that supports this Israeli Conspiracy Theory that replaces the official Arab Conspiracy Theory. We have the dedicated Zionist Silverstein who leases the WTC complex and over insures it against terrorism (leading to a hansom profit); we know that security at all departure airports and ‘arrival airports’ (WTC) was in Israeli hands (Huntleigh-USA and Kroll Associates, resp.); we know that the owner of Huntleigh-USA, Menachem Atzmon, a convicted criminal, had strong ties to Ehud Olmert, that is the highest level of Israeli politics; we also know that the Israeli secret service can eavesdrop on virtually everybody in the USA via Israeli owned companies like Amdocs and Verint which gave the Mossad the possibility to obtain sound samples of future 9/11 passengers to apply voice morphing to in order to make the fake phone calls on 9/11. And of course there is Dov Zakheim, the real mastermind of 9/11 who was CEO of SPC for 4 years prior to 9/11, a company that produces systems for remote control of airplanes. The same Zakheim that was a member of the Zionist dominated PNAC group, that more or less plotted for a global American empire, and suggested that a ‘New Pearl Harbor‘ (page 51) could speed things up a bit; and finally the same Zakheim that 6 months before 9/11 became supervisor of a group of Pentagon comptrollers that had to sort out what had happened to the 2.3 trillion dollars that were missing from the Pentagon books; many of these comptrollers conveniently got killed on 9/11 and much of the financial data went with them. This is the core of the story. Note: I am not claiming that 9/11 is solved. Of this however we can be certain: WTC controlled demolition, Israelis carried out the operation, no Arab hijackers, mastermind Zakheim, motive PNAC & Clean Break and remote control. I do not care about flight77 or 93, those are details to be solved by crime investigators. The most pressing question is that of remote control: how was that done? Were the original flights 11 and 175 remote controlled themselves or was there a plane swap as some have suggested, including Bollyn? Disclaimer: nobody is guilty until convicted by a court of law. This blog’s intent is to stimulate thinking about 9/11 from a different angle than the official one. From day one the blame has been put at bin Laden and his people without real evidence. Today bin Laden is no longer persecuted for 9/11 according to the FBI website. The theory proposed here might be true or false or contain some truth. In the end it must be an official investigation that determines who is guilty and who is not. This blog is dedicated to Italian ex-president Cossiga who is the highest ranking statesman to date who has openly stated that it was the Mossad who has carried out the 9/11 attacks.
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#303. To: wudidiz (#302)
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Such a statement is what logicians call a falsifiable hypothesis because it can be shown to be either true or not true. It is an assertion that is readily testable, and relies on well-known engineering specifications for verification. To date, I have seen no one refute it, and to me at least it is one of the enduring mysteries that really stands out when I contemplate the years of arguments that have unfolded in the wake of the events of 9-11. Your mileage may vary, as they say. Also worthy of contemplation are the many analyses of the plane videos on that day. They have notable discontinuities and irregularities that defy explanation. I really don't know what to make of all this, but the rabbit hole, as all of you know who have suited up and dived into that declivity, is very deep indeed. It scares the crap outta me to think about it. Personally, I leave this aspect of the topic alone when discussing it with regular folks, because it causes them to back away slowly checking as they go to see if there are any blunt weapons within my reach. Nevertheless, people are really beginning to realize the magnitude of the deceptions perpetrated on that day, much as they have slowly come to accept the understanding that there is more than one ass in an assassination, and that JFK was not murdered by one man alone. I try not to scare them off. There are many other inconsistencies and problems with the Warren . . . er 911 Commission's conclusions and the leaky conventional 911 story. From the unlikely tale of the "hijackers" identity and behavior to the demolitions of three buildings - these things don't hang together and the logical discontinuities in the conventional narrative get people to think. I tend to stay away from this topic, but these facts (as presented for example by Lear) will also have to be dealt with in time. And I believe that in time they will be. This person firstly tries to cow all readers with his "accomplishments". Utterly amazing that the government never called him as an expert witness, unless of course they suspected he was a bit of a bullshit artist. Stating opinions against visual facts is asinine.
I do not know what happened that day, Cyni. You would do me a great service, sir, if you would kindly disprove this assertion: No Boeing 767 could attain that speed [540 mph] at 1000 feet. Check fully authenticated by crew and black box that a B707 flew on its back and in vertical dive that exceeded ALL parameters of the aircraft, full load of passengers, yet it landed safely. I would have to revisit the accident report to see what the highest speed attained was. Secondly and most importantly, I suspect the aircraft NEVER REACHED THAT SPEED. He did not say it ever did, just that it was impossible. That in no way proves or disproves what we saw happen. This part really floors anyone that ever spent any time in aviation.... 8. No Boeing 767 airliners hit the Twin Towers as fraudulently alleged by the government, media, NIST and its contractors. Such crashes did not occur because they are physically impossible as depicted for the following reasons: For one that is a self proclaimed expert, note he claims no aeronautical education at all, zip in education, something that is rather odd. I read his claim long ago and few people bought into it.
One has to use caution when reading self styled experts that "flew secret missions for the CIA". This update on John Lear is but a few days olde. John Lear 3 Dumbest Dark Side of the Moon Conspiracy Theories Posted by Harrison Preston in September 4th, 2012 Posted in: Conspiracy Theories Tags: dark side of the moon, john lear, karl wolf, moon base, moon conspiracies In the acclaimed book “A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America”, author Michael Barkun, professor emeritus of political science at Syracuse University, states there are three types of conspiracy theories: Event conspiracies, Systemic conspiracies and Superconspiracies (1). We believe there is a fourth type of conspiracy theory that professor Barkun may have overlooked in his otherwise excellent publication; the “Plain Dumb” conspiracy. There are a large number of conspiracies that fall in to this category, but what some people believe is happening on the dark side of the moon has to be seen to be believed. John Lear, the son of Bill Lear of “Lear Jet” fame, has claimed a number of startling and ridiculous “facts” about the dark side of the moon. John says there is a civilization of humans living there, breathing air in a region covered with lakes, rivers, forests and snow-capped mountain ranges! Furthermore, he believes the moon was towed into position by a “large” space ship, primarily to help jumpstart our fledgling civilization.
I have no more first hand knowledge of what a 707B did on its back during testing that I have of what Marilyn Monroe did on hers during the course of her career. But this does not answer the question about 767s. (707s were built to dual purpose civilian/military specs.) It is also important to know how fast whatever aircraft that hit the WTC/Pentagon were flying when they hit. There's a question that seems like it should be readily settled but is fraught with technical complications. Here's what one poster said on a thread at a site where the technical considerations are examined at a level somewhat beyond what we're doing here as most of posters have relevant qualifications: Trust me on this...the aviation aspects of the events on 9/11 are a very complex, intertwined, multilayered set of events that are partially simultaneous...and ALL events are affected by the intricacies of TIME...or...what happened when...and what else happened at that time...and what happened earlier...and what happened later. Its a FOURTH DIMENSION NIGHTMARE...to try and figure all of this out...and we are only about 10% of the way there. http://911blogger.com/news/2010-06-24/nasa-flight-director-confirms-911- aircraft-speed-improbable Trying to get hold of what happened on the day in question by focusing on the aircraft is kind of like attempting to capture a tiger by grabbing it by the tail. You are likely to suffer minor bites and scratches. I try to avoid going there. above sea level because of parasite drag which doubles with velocity and parasite power which cubes with velocity. b. The fan portion of the engine is not designed to accept the volume of dense air at that altitude and speed. The man's got a good point here. But what does he know?? randge... John Lear is a crackpot, what he states as facts are from his mind, whether correct or not I have no idea. Of course, there are a dozen people that have seen the dark side of the moon AND SAW NOTHING. But John Lear because he flew "secret missions" for the CIA can state without doubt that there are humans on the moon"... OK John, whatever.
The questions raised have nothing whatever to do logically with who raised them. Some questions still demand answers, no matter who may bring them up and whatever other crazed fantasies they cherish. Let's leave the ad hominems. We got enough to keep us busy here without them. Surely you jest???? No one paid any attention to Lear FOR A REASON. Flying secret missions for the CIA is not a qualifier. I believe it has been four years now and no one has bothered to address his assertions, whether it be for or against. I suspect if indeed all of which he asserts were true that hundreds of pilots and engineers would have lined up in support????????? All of his opinions are above my pay grade so I cannot refute anything. However when something does not pass the smell test, I pay attention. HE claims the men that have seen the back side of the moon ARE WRONG, they did not see what they saw, akin to what millions saw on live TV and they are all wrong. I stand by the flying telephone poles. Later I will dummy up a resume that PROVES I know what I am talking about.
Forget Lear. Listen to what pilots have to say that have time in these aircraft (toward the end of this video). SPEED - Scene from "9/11: WORLD TRADE CENTER ATTACK" by PilotsFor911Truth 2 years ago What???? Forget Lear????? Good heavens no. He was presented as some kind of expert by wudidiz. I even took time to read his resume, written by him. Did you know he even is connected to the cure for AIDS? Anyone that would try to read his self written life history, would quit in disgust and disbelief. wud needs to present more credible views than a widely known crackpot.
Listen to what PILOTS have to say that have time in these aircraft (toward the end of this video). SPEED - Scene from "9/11: WORLD TRADE CENTER ATTACK" by PilotsFor911Truth 2 years ago I listened to "PILOT" John Lear. All of the math is beyond me and does not compute. I would only add that the NTSB/FAA surely had equally qualified pilots that sifted thru the data. In fact during my time with them, the NTSB pilots were mostly all retired airline pilots.
That thought process requires logic Ricky. For some people, logic, probability, and reason may as well be voodoo. Because now this is pretty direct and I am leaning toward a lack of attention. in post 276 you posted a compilation vid. minute 0:56. start up around there. Should be a BIG plane edit... Anyways.... you'll note the helicopter flying in through the smoke with no affect on the smoke, top right of your screen. It is you who is lying there slick, that or you're blind as a bat, and/or your computer monitor sucks. Maybe all of the above. Here's the chronological sequence of that part of the clip;
At no time was the helicopter IN the smoke, it was closer to the observer filming than the smoke was. It's a simple matter of perspective where the helicopter was passing in front of the smoke, yet they were both relatively far away from the camera so they appear closer together than they actually were. If you were watching on a large HD monitor you'd be able to see that for a fact. As far as the "BIG plane", it is most certainly there at 1:00 - 1:01 of the clip. Really dude, are you that dumb and blind? Point out the time stamps where this allegedly occurs. Reported altitude with transponder off...would you care to give your opinion on that anomaly, FL? From NTSB - Flight Path Study - American Airlines Flight 77 So not only did military radar track the aircraft near DC, but Dulles approach control radar tracked it. Airport approach control radar is capable of determining altitude without the use of the transponder, and most likely the military radar was capable of it as well. What that affidavit indicates is that those weren't the actual 767's that were "hijacked". It indicates military jets of similar appearance were more than likely used. Those jets may have been reinforced in order to penetrate as they did, and may have been packed with explosives to cause them to disintegrate once inside the towers. We'll never know since the towers collapsed and the evidence was carted off to China. As far as the speed of the aircraft, more than likely it was slower than reported. Those videos don't appear to show a plane flying 500 mph, probably more like 300-400 mph. I suppose using trigonometry it would be possible to estimate the speed using the videos, if the distance between the camera and the aircraft were known. Then again if those were specially adapted military jets, who knows, they MIGHT have been travelling faster than what is possible for a standard 767. Yep, as one can readily find out using Google... Point out the time stamps where this allegedly occurs. 0:14 and 1:44 of the video "September 11, 2001 - As It Happened - The South Tower Attack" at Post #297: Edited for vid title and spacing. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Seriously GL? You ARE aware that those two clips are from two different viewing points, right? Turning the first clip around in perspective to that of the 2nd, they match. So, the transponders off mystique about 9/11 is hype and we can probably dispense with the radar gap contentions too because the Military was capable of all such tracking? -- yes or no. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I'm not convinced from your statement that simply a different viewing point perspective explains whether the direction of the smoke is moving over the plane or away from it in the opposite direction and those aren't the only examples of a difference in smoke trajectories as compared to the alleged plane.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Transponders are used for long range radar used by air traffic control. Airport approach radar is short range radar, but can measure altitude. I'm assuming the military radar was also airport control radar, probably based out of Andrews. When I retired, Andrews was FAA, no military involved in the DC area.
You are convincing yourself of something that is untrue. Assuming the top of the image represents north, the first clip was filmed from somewhere in line with the Verizon building, with the smoke blowing south. The second clip was filmed from a westerly direction in line with WFC 2 (left of the image), with the smoke blowing to the south as well. As I said, the videos confirm that the smoke was blowing in the same direction, and they match. Don't know about that one Cyni... There would be no delay in latency with the planes that hit the Twin Towers. They were headed for their mark, and they hit it. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I had some info that the Happy Hooligans from North Dakota were on call during the time that 9-11 went down. They received no alerts. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
At Andrews?
As far as I know, yes. The Happy Hooligans were a combat group from North Dakota. They were assigned to Andrews as a defense squadron for the D.C. area, including the entire East Coast. It would have taken very little time to scramble them and get them to the NYC area. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Well of course they had to allow that cruise missile to hit the Pentagon, otherwise all of that planning and expense would have been for naught.
Here's the chronological sequence of that part of the clip; 0:58 small plane appears from left of screen travelling to the right 1:00 airliner approaching from right travelling left 1:01 airliner disappears from view as it impacts South tower 1:02 small plane disappears behind North tower 1:03 helicopter appears from right travelling left in front of smoke plume 1:13 helicopter travels out of view to left At no time was the helicopter IN the smoke, it was closer to the observer filming than the smoke was. It's a simple matter of perspective where the helicopter was passing in front of the smoke, yet they were both relatively far away from the camera so they appear closer together than they actually were. And here is the proper chronological sequence of those moments you listed. Fresh clip starts at 0:50/51 I believe I suggested you start at 56. 0:58 nothing but towers burning. And a helicopter. That was not a small plane. Their was no small plane traffic in that air space at that time. And if that small plane or helicopter or whatever was there for that angle then we should be able to observe it in every other angle right? I mean that small plane or helicopter as I suggest it is, if it is in that version then it is in all versions correct? TO CONTINUE at 1:00 the plane enters building...Bottom right just like you observed... takes about a whole second to enter building...ending at 1:01..... 500 mph and we get a relatively magnificent view of an object moving at such a high rate of speed.. but never mind that. MOVING ON at 1:02 in the top right a shadow against the smoke appears into view moving left on the screen in through the smoke and out... at 1:10/1:11 you should clearly see it above the needle of building 1. Two objects that for the sake of argument we shall refer to as the same to helicopters on the next clip ... from these two other objects we should be able to define a perfect perspective right? I mean we can figure where all three objects were at all times from all angles correct? Only those two helicopters are not in the clip after that.... nor are they present in all the various clips when it should be possible to see them. Many videos of higher clarity have mysteriously appeared over the years but they have not provided consistent records... Their have been discrepancies. And you can prove it to yourself by plotting the paths of those two helicopters I would bet... or helicopter and small plane if you prefer. One object above impact and one object below impact....only present on select versions... free yourself of the propaganda... ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
FAA staffed Andrews way back when I was a pup. Profile: Andrews Air Force Base Related Entities: Child... US Department of Defense. Andrews Air Force Base was a participant or observer in the following events: (Between 8:00 a.m. and 10:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Numerous Aircraft at Base near Washington Participating in Training Exercises Edit event Many aircraft at Andrews Air Force Base, which is just a few miles outside Washington, DC, are taking part in training exercises. James Ampey, an FAA air traffic controller who is currently on duty in the control tower at the base, will later recall that there are “an unusually high number of aircraft taking off and landing at Andrews [this] morning, because previously scheduled military exercises [are] underway.” [9/11 Commission, 7/28/2003 pdf file] It is unclear what specific exercises these aircraft are participating in, and the exact time period Ampey is referring to.
And that is to say nothing at all about the inconsistency of comparing the variety of sizes of plane shapes.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
0:58 nothing but towers burning. And a helicopter. That was not a small plane It was shaped like a plane and moved too fast to be a helicopter. Ergo, a plane. at 1:02 in the top right a shadow against the smoke appears into view moving left on the screen in through the smoke and out... Either your monitor sucks, you aren't watching it full screen on a large enough monitor, or you need some stronger glasses. That or you're just pretending to be blind. ALSO, you are watching a compressed video which includes artifacting, ie. objects of similar color tend to blend together. HOWEVER, if you pay attention to the point it appears from the right corner of the view, and its complete flight across the screen, it is closer to the viewer than the smoke. Given the view appears to be facing eastward from the west, it was more than likely west of the North tower, thus west of the smoke, travelling north. Only those two helicopters are not in the clip after that.... nor are they present in all the various clips when it should be possible to see them. You're still grasping at straws and being disingenious. Immediately after the clip ends at 1:13, the next clip shows the same helicopter exactly where it should be in regards to the different viewing angle, ie. northwest of the WTC towers, thus it appears to be travelling slower due to the greater distance and the fact that it is heading north as seen from the northwest rather than due west. [Edit] And if you look at the clip immediately following that one, beginning at 1:44, THAT is video shot from the helicopter you are trying to claim wasn't there. Being that aircraft still take off and land there however, they must have some sort of airport control radar in place, correct? As I said, the videos confirm that the smoke was blowing in the same direction, and they match. I rotated your map pic a counterclockwise turn so that the left edge was moved to the bottom and the direction of the plane was flying from right to left towards Tower 2, as in both video clips. That does not explain for me the smoke plume's movement in opposite directions. Edited for grammar. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Yes... The changeover was made way back years ago for two reasons, the military people would be there a year or two and gone, plus they were very young. The deciding factor was that the President and other VIPs used Andrews so older, professionals, were desired.
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#304. To: wudidiz (#302)
#305. To: Cynicom (#304)
#306. To: randge (#305)
#307. To: randge, wudidiz (#305)
#308. To: Cynicom (#306)
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Check fully authenticated by crew and black box that a B707 flew on its back and in vertical dive that exceeded ALL parameters of the aircraft
#309. To: wudidiz (#302)
No Boeing 767 could attain that speed at 1000 feet
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#310. To: randge (#308)
#311. To: Cynicom (#310)
#312. To: randge, wudidiz (#311)
The questions raised have nothing whatever to do logically with who raised them.
#313. To: Cynicom (#312)
#314. To: randge, wudidiz (#313)
Forget Lear.
#315. To: Cynicom (#314)
#316. To: randge (#315)
Listen to what PILOTS have to say that have time in these aircraft (toward the end of this video).
#317. To: RickyJ (#293)
Anyone with a camcorder pointing at the south tower that day who saw it explode with no plane hitting it would have proved it was a hoax. No videos of that exist today even though there were many people with cam-corders that day filming the North Tower after it was hit. Surely some of them were filming from the South and would have caught the explosion on the side of the South tower with no plane hitting it, but there is no such video that I know of. The planners of 9/11 would not have risked this possibility when it is so much easier to just crash a plane into the building for real.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#318. To: titorite (#294)
You are lying again or you simply did not pay enough attention. Which is it.
0:58 small plane appears from left of screen travelling to the right
1:00 airliner approaching from right travelling left
1:01 airliner disappears from view as it impacts South tower
1:02 small plane disappears behind North tower
1:03 helicopter appears from right travelling left in front of smoke plume
1:13 helicopter travels out of view to left
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#319. To: GreyLmist (#298)
In one it flies right to left over the water towards the South Tower through a clear sky, with smoke from the North Tower moving away from it towards the left of the screen. In another broadcast, the plane image is still moving right to left towards the South Tower but the smoke is moving over it towards the right side of the screen.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#320. To: GreyLmist (#300)
the [Pentagon] aircraft performed an acrobatic 270 degree (or 330 degree according to The 9/11 Commission Report) dive from 7,000 feet (an altitude known to the FAA despite the transponder off)
The following description of American Airline Flight 77 is based on data from the flight data recorder (FDR) recovered from the crash site, as well as radar data obtained from the Federal Aviation Administration's Air Route Traffic Control Centers, approach control at Washington Dulles Airport, and the U.S. Air Force 84th Radar Evaluation Squadron.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#321. To: wudidiz (#302)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#322. To: Cynicom, randge, wudidiz (#310)
John Lear is a crackpot
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#323. To: FormerLurker (#319)
(Edited)
In one it flies right to left over the water towards the South Tower through a clear sky, with smoke from the North Tower moving away from it towards the left of the screen. In another broadcast, the plane image is still moving right to left towards the South Tower but the smoke is moving over it towards the right side of the screen.
#324. To: GreyLmist (#323)
0:14 and 1:44 of the video
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#325. To: FormerLurker (#320)
not only did military radar track the aircraft near DC, but Dulles approach control radar tracked it. Airport approach control radar is capable of determining altitude without the use of the transponder, and most likely the military radar was capable of it as well.
#326. To: FormerLurker (#324)
#327. To: GreyLmist (#325)
So, the transponders off mystique about 9/11 is hype and we can probably dispense with the radar gap contentions too because the Military was capable of all such tracking? -- yes or no.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#328. To: FormerLurker (#327)
#329. To: GreyLmist (#326)
I'm not convinced from your statement that simply a different viewing point perspective explains whether the direction of the smoke is moving over the plane or away from it in the opposite direction and those aren't the only examples of a difference in smoke trajectories as compared to the alleged plane.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#330. To: Cynicom (#328)
When I retired, Andrews was FAA, no military involved in the DC area.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#331. To: GreyLmist (#190)
The reason was there's about a several second delay in the latency.
#332. To: FormerLurker (#330)
113th Wing D.C. Air National Guard
#333. To: BTP Holdings (#332)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#334. To: FormerLurker (#333)
(Edited)
At Andrews?
#335. To: BTP Holdings (#334)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#336. To: FormerLurker (#318)
(Edited)
#337. To: FormerLurker (#330)
Don't know about that one Cyni...
#338. To: All (#336)
#339. To: titorite (#336)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#340. To: Cynicom (#337)
FAA staffed Andrews way back when I was a pup.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#341. To: FormerLurker (#329)
(Edited)
Assuming the top of the image represents north, the first clip was filmed from somewhere in line with the Verizon building, with the smoke blowing south. The second clip was filmed from a westerly direction in line with WFC 2 (left of the image), with the smoke blowing to the south as well.
#342. To: FormerLurker (#340)
airport control radar in place, correct?
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