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Title: How 9/11 Was Done
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Published: Sep 3, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-09-03 14:09:24 by tom007
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How 9/11 Was Done For additional notes see the accompanying blog 911notes.blogspot.com. Prologue Read the following two screens of text to learn what happened at 9/11. 9/11 was a master plot, concocted by a handfull of Israelis and dual passport Americans and carried out by the resources of the Mossad. Larry Silverstein leases a nearly worthless dinosaur WTC building complex (worthless due to the asbestos the buildings were stuffed with and needed to be cleaned up, the cost of which may have rivaled the value of the buildings themselves) weeks before 9/11, makes sure it is over insured against terrorist acts and hires an Israeli security firm. From that moment on the coast is clear to let a team of demolition experts from the Israeli army led by Peer Segalovitz into the WTC buildings. These charges plus detonators had been prepared at the premises of the Urban Moving Systems company, a Mossad front. During the weeks before 9/11 these prepared charges were loaded into vans, driven into the basements of WTC Twin Towers next to the elevator shaft, unloaded into the elevator, and lifted onto the roof of the elevator through the opening in the elevator ceiling. Next the elevator moved from floor to floor while charges where being attached to the columns as displayed in this video from 0:22 onwards. The detonators of these charges were radiographic controlled and finally detonated from WTC7 on the day of 9/11. Fast backward, Hamburg 54 Marienstrasse, july 2000, 22:40. Mohamed Atta, Al Shehhi and Jarrah (who were later blamed of being the pilots of flight 11, 175 and 93 respectively), who share the apartment hear the ringing of the door bell. Jarrah opens the door, 5 masked men make their way into the apartment with drawn pistols. The 3 Arabs are forced to lay on the ground. Their passports are confiscated, next the 3 men are made unconscious with some liquid and strangled to death afterwards. The bodies are carried out of the apartment into a van and driven off towards a desolate spot at the boarding of the Elbe river outside Hamburg, 1 kilometer north of Borstel and disposed of into the river with a bag filled with stones tied to their feet. The 3 passports are now in the possession of the agents of the Mossad, who carried out the raid on the apartment and 3 Arabs have vanished without anybody knowing that they are dead. Not long after the raid the 3 passports are given to 3 Israeli agents who were selected on having some resemblance with the 3 Arabs just killed. They make for America soon afterwards in the summer of 2000 and start laying a trail at flight schools, posing with the stolen identities from the 3 Arabs killed. Years earlier the israeli Michael Goff working for PTech, an Arab owned software company that develops key enterprise software for many government institutions like NORAD and FAA, using his secure channel with another israeli Amit Yoran, somehow manages to give Israeli army computer programmers access to this critical computer code. It was due to this manipulation that the hijackings on 9/11 remained unnoticed by the flight controller of NORAD. Once this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center. The hijacking of airliners by remote control had been tested as a dress rehearsal for 9/11 on the Egypt Air flight 990 that crashed into the Atlantic on October 31, 1999. Now everything was in place to commit the crime of the century. On the day of 9/11 the Israeli stand-ins for the ‘Arab hijackers’ showed up at the predestined departure airports to make sure they were captured on surveillance camera’s. The crucial point here is that the security at both the departure airports was in hands of an Israeli firm Huntleigh-USA, a subsidiary of the Dutch based but Israeli owned ICTS led by a fellow named Menahem Atzmon. And this is crucial: Atzmon used to be a colleague of Olmert in 1998. So there you have the link between the 9/11 operative level (an airport security firm) and the highest level of Israeli politics. What happened on the morning of 9/11 was that after the Israeli stand-ins were captured on camera, they left the airport via a side entrance and the show could begin. Minutes after the planes became air born somebody somehow was able to send a signal to the planes, causing the control panels to be disabled and the flight destination altered. What happened was that an anti-hijack system was activated (code word ‘home run’) and the regular pilot was put out of control. This pilot will probably have tried frantically to regain control of his aircraft. It is not very likely he will have told his passengers about the new situation since that would only cause panic. The passengers probably suspected nothing and hence had no reason to make any phone calls to their relatives (which were not possible anyway). And while the 9/11 passengers unsuspecting travel towards their immanent deaths, on the ground from a war room Israeli agents carry out phone calls to relatives of the passengers that were still in the air, using voice morphing technology and caller-ID spoofing and thus planted the Arabs-did-it-deception in the public consciousness. The sound samples necessary to carry out the fake telephone calls had been obtained via the israeli infiltration of American telephone networks by Israeli firms like Amdocs and Verint. By the time that the passengers were puzzled as they discerned the New York sky line it was already too late. Meanwhile on the other side of the Hudson river the members of the Israeli team that planted the demolition charges were waiting for things to happen. And while the rest of New York experienced in horror the events that were unfolding that day, the demolition experts were celebrating and high-fiving. The plot had worked out magnificently. *** Please save this page to your local hard drive *** This blog is the verbal expression of an adaptive learning process. Please come back regularly. Core Argument Ok, I admit. Some elements in this story are speculative. I do not know for instance if Atta was killed in Germany or in America. But the story is an coherent educated speculation. It is an attempt to reconstruct the events of 9/11. Myriads of web sites exist that expose the inconsistencies in the official story, that obviously is a fraud. This story offers an integral explanation of what could have happened and in all likelihood more or less did happen at 9/11 as there can be hardly any doubt about who was behind 9/11 if one rejects the official story. Some elements remain vague, like what happened exactly to WTC7, flight77, flight93 or Mohamed Atta. But these questions are of academic interest only. It’s clear who was behind 9/11 and what happened in detail with WTC-1/2 and the planes. That is enough. Here’s where most people got killed. The rest of the plot can be uncovered by a tribunal. In order to prevent that you get swallowed up by yet another 10 meters of screen text here is the core of the argument. The story is based on 2 broadly accepted postulates: 1) WTC was brought down by controlled demolition 2) The ‘dancing Israelis’ on the morning of 9/11 had foreknowledge of things to come These 2 premises are enough to put the Official Conspiracy Theory (Arabs did it) out of business. Premise 2 leads to the preliminary conclusion that the Israelis had foreknowledge because they organized the attacks themselves. Since Israelis are not known to commit suicide attacks we have to assume that the airplanes that crashed into their destinations were remote controlled. If one accepts this as a working hypothesis than there is a lot, I mean really a lot, of material that supports this Israeli Conspiracy Theory that replaces the official Arab Conspiracy Theory. We have the dedicated Zionist Silverstein who leases the WTC complex and over insures it against terrorism (leading to a hansom profit); we know that security at all departure airports and ‘arrival airports’ (WTC) was in Israeli hands (Huntleigh-USA and Kroll Associates, resp.); we know that the owner of Huntleigh-USA, Menachem Atzmon, a convicted criminal, had strong ties to Ehud Olmert, that is the highest level of Israeli politics; we also know that the Israeli secret service can eavesdrop on virtually everybody in the USA via Israeli owned companies like Amdocs and Verint which gave the Mossad the possibility to obtain sound samples of future 9/11 passengers to apply voice morphing to in order to make the fake phone calls on 9/11. And of course there is Dov Zakheim, the real mastermind of 9/11 who was CEO of SPC for 4 years prior to 9/11, a company that produces systems for remote control of airplanes. The same Zakheim that was a member of the Zionist dominated PNAC group, that more or less plotted for a global American empire, and suggested that a ‘New Pearl Harbor‘ (page 51) could speed things up a bit; and finally the same Zakheim that 6 months before 9/11 became supervisor of a group of Pentagon comptrollers that had to sort out what had happened to the 2.3 trillion dollars that were missing from the Pentagon books; many of these comptrollers conveniently got killed on 9/11 and much of the financial data went with them. This is the core of the story. Note: I am not claiming that 9/11 is solved. Of this however we can be certain: WTC controlled demolition, Israelis carried out the operation, no Arab hijackers, mastermind Zakheim, motive PNAC & Clean Break and remote control. I do not care about flight77 or 93, those are details to be solved by crime investigators. The most pressing question is that of remote control: how was that done? Were the original flights 11 and 175 remote controlled themselves or was there a plane swap as some have suggested, including Bollyn? Disclaimer: nobody is guilty until convicted by a court of law. This blog’s intent is to stimulate thinking about 9/11 from a different angle than the official one. From day one the blame has been put at bin Laden and his people without real evidence. Today bin Laden is no longer persecuted for 9/11 according to the FBI website. The theory proposed here might be true or false or contain some truth. In the end it must be an official investigation that determines who is guilty and who is not. This blog is dedicated to Italian ex-president Cossiga who is the highest ranking statesman to date who has openly stated that it was the Mossad who has carried out the 9/11 attacks.
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Uhhhh, nahhhhhhh.
OBL was never charged with any 9.11 anything by the FBI, for whatever that's worth.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
few people pay attention to the 'fact' that this alleged crime was never attributed to him on FBI wanted posters ... which has always struck me as curious in 2 respects #1 - that FBI did not blame him #2 - that kool-aid drinking Americans don't find that significant no matter what the truth eventually gets shown to be, I will die knowing that the official story is a bucket of lies - I knew it (the story being told on teeeveee) was all BS the moment the mushroom cloud began to form for first tower to fall Early in the day, Dan Rather called it a controlled demolition (as it clearly was to anyone with half a brain).
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
yes, and few people saw that as well, it's been mind blowing to see how many little things like that slipped past, as if they didn't get the scrip to everyone on time and then later, kool-aid drunks insinuate we're making it up. the trolls and shills on one youtube video began ignoring me after awhile - everything they threw simply opened the door for me to offer another little tidbit like that *LOL* the Jew I worked for in Dallas that day did not skip a beat, within 24 hours our 1,500 clients received a 'let's scare the hell out of them' email blast pushing them to place a 90 day order now, before the terrozits disrupted everything - worked like a charm, he made bank that month and then in following months as he played the card, 'they still haven't got through but can any day' Any serious 911 researcher knows about the spire.... Anyone who has watched those towers fall thousands of times scrutinising every pixel and part ... we know about the spire... It did not fall over it evaporated/disintegrated. Metal does not do that normally.... An interesting look on wikis DEW page talks about the very direct energy weapon that does just that... atomizes metal. TV fakery might of added planes where their were none but it was a DEW weapon that turned paper, cement, and metal into dust. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
ALL of the Boeing 700 series aircraft since the late 60s, have been able to be flown remotely as the result of hijackings of that time. The concept was to be able to take control of a hijacked aircraft and safely fly it to a controlled airport where it could be safely landed, and the hijackers arrested, with the mil/gov. in total control. The individual(s) in the cockpit would have no control over the aircraft in any way. This was made possible by way of the AFSCS program. Theoretically we can take total control of any of these aircraft no matter where they are over the earth. ... If a man has nothing that he is willing to die for, then he has nothing worth living for....
I would like to see that from Boeing.
Cyni, I'll have to look up the reference, but 700 series aircraft, don't remember whether its was 737s or 757s were flown to Australia from the West Coast and landed there without a human pilot aboard. This was some time before 911. This was mainstream news. I'm tied up at the moment and can't look it up now, but perhaps one of the other posters can. The Navy is working on a aircraft carrier self landing plane as we speak. Now that will be a slick trick - if they can pull it off. Hopes to have one in a few years. From what I understand, most modern jet liners can be totally auto piloted, some can take off and land in auto, as post above. Robert Fisk, asked his 7 something pilot what it would take to program this jet to fly into the WTC. The pilot pointed to his dash and said "put in the coodinates and push that button". Additionally, one of the major suspects in this saga was an Israel native who headed a company that specialized in this technology. randge... Some are in error as to the difference between "programmed" and remote controlled.
The military has the most advanced "remote piloting" in the world. Their "loss rate" is near fifty percent because of what they call "latency". Human hands guided the 911 aircraft.
except for the magic passports, of course.
yep
They know we are collectively gullible. 100 Million Americans Question or Find Fault with the Official 9/11 Story www.globalresearch.ca/100...-the-official-9-11-story/ Nearly 90 Percent of Germans Do Not Believe Official 9/11 Fairy Tale
Dov S. Zakeim was pentagon comptroller stole(?) 2.3T that went missing and was also CEO of the remote-control company. PNAC creature and otherwise worthless POS zionist.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
He and Cheney appear to me to be front center. No end to the errors and wrong assumptions in this article. To begin with, the WTC was not worthless because of asbestos. In fact it had only minimal asbestos insulation and it is the opinion of some people that if there had been more asbestos there might have been more survivors. www.foxnews.com/story/0 ,2933,34342,00.html Next, Larry Silverstein did not "make sure it is over-insured against terrorist acts". The WTC had been a target of a truck bomb in 1993, so the possibility of a terrorist attack was not so farfetched. However Silverstein had most assuredly not over-insured the WTC. In fact, the insurance consortium that handled the enormous insurance policy tried to pay for one and only one plane crash on the interpretation that there had been only one attack on the towers notwithstanding that two planes were used. It took more than a year of really expensive litigation to get the insurers to pay for both towers. If Silverstein seriously expected a major attack he surely would have had the terms of the insurance policy tightened up. Even so, Silverstein's consortium is legally obliged, under the terms of the lease from the Port Authority, to return the WTC in good condition; this means rebuilding it (or at least a part of it) at today's prices and in the meantime Silverstein's consortium is not getting a dime in rents from tenants, so the whole thing is (for the present and the immediate future) a total loss and might turn a profit only after 20 or 30 more years.
Uhhh, yeahhhh. Have you never heard of drones or UAVs? The technology DOES in fact exist (and did prior to 9/11/2001) to fly an airliner remotely. Here's a Boing 720 being flown remotely 17 years before 9/11/2001. Here's a bit more on the Dov Zakheim connection... My hypothesis is that the real planes were hijacked by remotely activated gas cannisters releasing knock out gas (or nerve gas) during flight, disabling or killing passengers and crew. Once the crew was disabled, the plane could be flown to wherever needed, possibily swapped in midair with those which would in fact fly into the towers and the Pentagon. In a swap scenario, a live pilot carrying a gas mask could have been a passenger on the original flight, putting the mask on a precise time. A gas mask may have been stashed under a seat by a ground crew member perhaps. Then the pilot could have flown the plane to a secure location, while the "terror" plane would have been flown to its target remotely. That would explain how those planes acquired that "pod" shown in the above video. http://southeastasianews.org/mai..._pyramid_mega_ritual.html
9/11 was flown by human hands.
Are you trying to say those idiots who couldn't fly a single engine Cessna flew better that day than seasoned airline pilots? The trajectory of the aircraft which hit the Pentagon could NOT have been flown by human hands, not if it was actually a 757. As it entered the Pentagon at the ground level, it flew with its engines about three feet off the Pentagon lawn, level, at over 500 mph. Any REAL 757 would have climbed since lift increases as aircraft approach the ground. The only way to prevent climbing is by decreasing the speed of the aircraft, or by pushing hard on the yoke to bring the nose down. It did not slow down, and if its nose had been pushed down it would have dug a ditch into the lawn and flipped over or broken up. So no, those were not human hands, not onboard the aircraft anyways. You ARE aware that drones utilize human pilots on the ground to fly them, right? Realistically, do you think Mossad agents wish to die for Allah? I do not recall any flying that day that could not have been accomplished by anyone with rudimentary flying skills. Prevost, the IP that first blew the whistle, made it plain, they had no interest in take off or landing training.
How would you explain this......
Politics is the conspiracy of the unproductive but organized against the productive but unorganized. Joseph Sobran
I'd like to waterboard Mr. Abramoff--I'd bet he'd be a wealth of information
Politics is the conspiracy of the unproductive but organized against the productive but unorganized. Joseph Sobran
Cyni, really. if there was nothing to hide and if, in fact, the AA 757 was the jet that flew into the Pentagon, why on earth would the government not show the films from the various surveillance cameras in the area and, instead, confiscate and hide them? How on earth could 19 cave dwellers cause NORAD to stand down over the most protected airspace in the world? Let me show you my husband's post to an acquaintance who believes the Official Fairy Tale. It follows: I usually try to stay away from posting comments on discussion threads as I have found that doing so is a waste of time. Trying to influence someone's already established opinion is not worth the time or effort, as the chance of actually changing another's opinion is infinitesimally small. As such, I am not trying change yours or anyone's opinions about the events of 9/11/01, but rather I would like to share the legitimate questions that I have, as do many others, so that we won't be labeled as conspiracy theorists and "fools" as you have called some who do have questions remaining. I have done an internet search on the percentage of Americans who do not believe the official story of 9/11 and I have found many headlines and articles, such as the one below: Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story Only 16% now believe official fable according to New York Times/CBS News poll Most of the polls range from over 50% to close to 90% of nonbelievers. Moreover, the percentages of doubting citizens in other countries are even higher than in the U.S. I, too, have found that there many gaps in the government's official version of the events of 9/11. First of all, the government has stated that right up until the moment that the planes struck the buildings, the government had no idea what was happening -- that they did not intercede because they were caught by surprise. Yet, within 24 hours, they had all of the answers and details of what just went down. They knew the names of all the "players", which countries they were from, where they got their training, etc. Yet, for example, at some third-rate crime scene, it may takes months to collect and analyze evidence before an official theory of what happened is proffered. It even took over 3 weeks for the public to find out what caused the deaths of Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston; and here in Austin, the authorities still don't know all of the details in the Yogurt Shop murders. But with 9/11, the government knew everything within hours of the crime; and now, 11 years later, there has been essentially nothing new added to the story. The story was complete almost immediately. That seemed a little too pat to me. My wife (Christine) and I have taken the time to independently research this subject in some breadth and depth, including our attendance at two separate 2-day seminars that analyzed the events of 9/11. The second seminar was about 16-hours in length and was presented by hundreds of licensed engineers and architects, as well as by chemists and physicists with Ph.D.'s, including world renowned researcher, Dr. Steven Jones, a Physics professor at Brigham Young University. The engineers and architects gave various power-point presentations, all of which concluded with the opinion that Buildings 1 and 2 could not have collapsed as they did solely because of the impact and subsequent fire caused by the airplanes. Moreover, Building 7 (a 47-story steel-structured building) collapsed at about 5 PM that afternoon and it was not hit by an airplane. Some of the points that were presented in the seminar were very interesting, and they raised questions about the government's version of events -- events that were not explainable by the laws of chemistry, physics, or logic. The engineers gave their presentations using an overhead projector. They had actual building/construction plans for Bldgs. 1 and 2. They explained that the Buildings' construction was specifically designed to withstand the impact and/or fire that could be caused by wind, lightning, an earthquake, or an airplane's impact. They stated that an airplane hitting and even penetrating the Buildings would cause no more structural damage than, for example, a sharp object going through a screen or mosquito netting -- that the object might put a hole in the screen, but it would not cause the screen to collapse. So, that led to their analysis of the subsequent fire potentially causing the collapse. They stated that jet fuel does not allow for a fire above a temperature of about 1500 degrees and that the steel columns in the building would not start to stress until the temperature got to about 2700-2900 degrees. Also, heat rises, so the temperature would be dissipating upwards and not downwards to cause a collapse from below. And even if the jet fuel burned at a temperature of 2900, the steel beams would bend and potentially cause a pancake/gravity collapse where every lower floor would cause resistance for the floors above them, which would slow the speed of the collapse. In the seminar, they gave the height of the buildings and then put a stopwatch to the collapse, which indicated that the collapse occurred at virtually free-fall speed, which could not have happened even if the plane and fire stressed the building enough to collapse it. Also, the professor of physics, Steven Jones, presented his findings. He had gotten a sample of the site's molten metal from the steel beams. He found the presence of nano-thermite, which is the substance used in controlled demolitions because it is the one substance that, as stated by Jones, "...will slice through steel like a sharp knife through soft butter..." Also, in attendance at both seminars was a man named, Willie Rodriguez. He was the chief custodian at the World Trade Center buildings for 29 years. He said that he knew every inch of those 2 buildings. He also said that, for several weeks before 9/11, mysteriously he was not allowed to be on certain floors. This had never happened to him before. Rodriguez also stated that he, along with other workers, were in a basement before the planes hit the building; and that they heard and felt explosions going off in subbasements below them. He said that one explosion caused their feet to be lifted off the floor. He later concluded that those explosions served to soften-up the substructure which helped the buildings to collapse later. Also, we watched a video of the Building's owner (Larry Silverstein) say that fires had caused significant damage to Bldg 7 on 9/11, so they discussed the possibility of bringing the building down. He said, "...later that day, they made the decision to pull it, and we watched the building come down...". Silverstein thereby admitted that the Building 7 was imploded. The seminar experts reported that it would have taken months to go through the process of getting permits and then actually wiring a building that size with demolition charges. So it became obvious that the building was already wired. Why? Did Silverstein already know that his building was pre-wired with demolition charges? Who else knew? But here is the critical question: what is the government's (not Silverstein's) official explanation for how and why Building 7 came down. I have never heard or read the government's explanation. I don't want anyone's opinion (expert or layman) of how it came down. I want the government's explanation because I've never heard it. I don't know of anyone who has heard or read what the government said about it. If it exists, that's what I would like to hear. Because 9/11 was a major crime scene and Building 7 represents 1/3 of that crime scene. Yet we know nothing about the government's findings (if they exist) on Building 7. Also, with regard to the Pentagon, it is the most surveilled building in the world. Yet we have no acceptable video of what really happened at that site. Even in photographs, I saw a hole in the Pentagon, but I saw no airplane or its wings. I saw no luggage on the ground or dead passengers. I didn't even see that any part of the lawn had been disturbed in front of the hole. So, there are many unanswered questions in my mind. The official explanations have gaps and remain incomplete. Do citizens have a right to question their government? Or, are we only good citizens if we swallow whole everything it feeds us? Is that a recipe for remaining free? Let's think about the consequences of 9/11. Domestically, we have lost many of our rights to privacy and freedom, via Homeland Security, TSA, NDAA, warrant-less wiretaps/searches, etc. Internationally, we have gone to war in Iraq and Afghanistan -- having spent trillions of dollars. We have had American troops killed and maimed. We initiated war against Iraq, on the premise that Iraq was involved in 9/11 and also had "weapons of mass destruction", but it has now been proven, and admitted by the government, that Iraq never did have WMD and had no involvement in 9/11. We have killed tens of thousands of our alleged enemies, as well as women and children (aka, collateral damage) in Iraq and Afghanistan. All of this based on the government's version of the events of 9/11. I'd say, it's pretty damned important that the government answer all of our questions and stop blowing us off as conspiracy theorists. I'm no conspiracy theorist. I don't have a theory about what happened. The government has the theory. I only have QUESTIONS about what happened; and unfortunately with an insufficiency of answers. I don't want theories, opinions, and answers from lay people, experts, peers, acquaintances, or friends. I want my government to answer my questions -- and it won't. Nor will it answer the questions of 84% of my fellow citizens (as the polls show). But, I guess in your mind, we are "fools" for even asking.
Christine... Somewhere here I posted to tom007 or someone that I found it odd that the twin towers fell within their own footprints. Do I buy 9/11 in its entirety????? Of course not. Do I buy into countless theories of what "really" happened, of course not. The more the event becomes convoluted by endless and erroneous information provided by "experts",the more the governments complicity becomes clouded and hidden. The government welcomes such. If one tries to take but one narrow facet of this event, add a common sense approach to the question, most often the hysteria is false. Example... The aircraft flown into the Pentagon. Using math and law of probability anyone can determine for themselves what happened. If one reads the government transcripts, they list names and home areas of over one hundred people on the ground that saw an aircraft fly into the Pentagon. There were so many eye witnesses that only about fifty were used as they were redundant. Any serious "investigators" have been free for years to do their own questioning of these people. To my knowledge not one person that gave sworn statements, has ever recanted their testimony. The dagger to the heart of this "theory", there was no aircraft, was destroyed, when the landing gear of the aircraft was removed by heavy equipment, for all to see and document. Such simple examples do not deter irrational thinking when a person "wants" to believe otherwise. In my lifetime I have witnessed two large aircraft crashes. When the cleanup was finished for both, what little remained was loaded onto a flatbed truck and hauled away. Four engines, pieces of the tail, bits and pieces, the landing gear, no wings, no fuselage. One has to be sensible, logical, and not run off into dark alleys because they WANT to believe. Do I believe 9/11 was a conspiracy???? Most certainly. Was our government in on it or at least had fore knowledge??? Certainly. Do I believe that what over 100 witnesses saw is all a conspiracy??? Of course not.
It's interesting what you say about "latency". When you watch simulations of the WTC 767 approaches that show the yoke and rudder work involved in hitting these targets, it's apparent that at those speeds considerable piloting skills are involved. Adding the delays in a feedback loop component of remote control would certainly complicate matters. I tried some similar maneuvers at less than half the speed in a four engine simulator some time before 911 and I think what was done that day was accomplished by expert hands. I am of course not an expert, but the flight instructor in this video is. Listen to what he has to say about veteran pilot attempts to recreate the WTC hits. randge... I did my homework on enlightening myself on the term "latency" and the experience that the military acknowledges, about their problems with "remote controlled" flight...not programmed flying. For instance, it is possible for a "pilot" sitting in an armchair in Colorado, flying a remote control aircraft in Pakistan, to suffer vertigo. The military has been very open about their huge losses via accidents etc etc due to remote control. They have been at it for years, performed by highly trained pilots and engineers and they have continual problems. Penetrating the Pentagon at low level did not take anyone with ten thousand flying hours. Plus it stretches common sense to believe that random aircraft were pre programmed or remotely controlled with such ease, yet we are still in the infancy of remote control. Further, Clancy Prevost, local gentleman, that started the investigation PRIOR TO 9/11 never voiced any belief or interest in "remote controlled" as credible. Prevost started the investigation LONG PRIOR TO 9/11. That is how the FBI had "prior knowledge" and they considered Prevost as being paranoid. Prevost had education and experience that exceeded most others. Former Navy pilot, retired airline pilot, years as instructor pilot and he knew something was amiss when all the students WITH NO PREVIOUS FLYING TIME AND WERE ONLY INTEREST IN "FLYING" large jet aircraft, No interest in landing and takeoffs. When Moussaoui paid his bill with eight thousand dollars in cash with non circulated bills, Prevost insisted the FBI take a closer look, that something was being planned. Too many good people have been led down false trails that common sense dictates are false. They need to go back to the very first public inclination that something was amiss. Prevost was the first and foremost qualified person to sense something was going to happen. Arguing endlessly of what hit the Pentagon defies common sense. Just one of the false trails that have obscured reality.
Eye whitnesses are notoriously unreliable. Better to rely on the official NSIT report issued years later for the truth. snark Burning furniture. Seriously, that is what a NSIT suit said on record. Burning furniture - dwell on that for a moment to see what liars are all about. May have been the same NSIT guy who said, straight faced, that there were NO REPORTS OF EXPLOSIONS REPORTED BY ANY SOURCE. And I don't think openly burning jet fuel will reach much more than 700 F. Snoora seems an expert. Ask her - She knows the godless Arabs did it. And we should get a donation jar going for poor Larry Silverstien who took a huge loss from all that gold from WTC 7. Israel did this to the United States People. We are all Gaza now, we may just not yet realize it. Yet. Hi C, Another factoid. As C has told Rodregis (sp) a long time employee of the WTC, stated he was denied access to parts of the building for w few weeks before 9-11. Paul Bremmer, the future King of Iraq, had his office in the blacked out part of the tower. On 9-11 Paul was not at his office - he was in NYC that morning at the major TV networks being interviewed, as the buildings were burning, as saying Iraq and Saddam were responsible for the attack. Additionally broadcast in the world's media were a phony video of the "Laughing Palistine Womens" presented as news to show how the Palistines were gleeful for the attacks. Who would have done such a dispicable piece of slander, I wonder? Better to rely on the official NSIT report issued years later for the truth. snark In that context yes. People believe the man that was there, as do I, yet the same people say the 120 people that saw an American airliner fly into the Pentagon are unreliable or dishonest. Therein is the crux of this problem. Believe one when it fits, disbelieve 120 when it does not fit with a desired outcome.
NIST actually addressed Bldg 7 and said the cause was burning furniture? And how did the furniture ignite in a couple of offices only, btw. It is just mindblowing what people will allow this lying government to get away with and do NO CRITICAL THINKING OR ANALYSIS of their own. It makes me furious!
excellent video. i hadn't seen that one before.
Christine... Do I believe the three building were "brought" down???? Yes indeed I do. However I have zero expertise as to how and by whom and in that mode I refuse to be led down false trails that serve no one but this government. Experts that sell their views because they are experts but were not there have to be weighed with caution.
I am taking account of all you say about the remote control of aircraft. It is all quite credible. What I don't find credible is the proposition that amateurs were at the controls of those Boeing aircraft. In both the Pentagon and thed WTC attacks the aircraft were operating at or outside of the design limits for aircraft of their type & at that altitude. There was some flying done that day, and it wasn't done by some yokels who didn't have time to learn how to land multi-engine aircraft. Honestly, Cyni, I don't claim to know what transpired that day, but I know when things don't add up. we all have to decide for ourselves what makes SENSE to us. after having viewed the video that randge posted, i'm even more convinced that it was not possible for a 757 to be flown into the Pentagon. i believe the witnesses saw something, but it wasn't a 757. there are also eyewitnesses who give testimony which contradicts those who say they saw an AA jetliner.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestOnce this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center.
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#3. To: tom007 (#0)
From day one the blame has been put at bin Laden and his people without real evidence
let me get this straight, you want this and have the power to do it, yet you let that other guy decide if you should? yep - why? cause the book told me to ... who wrote the book? well, he did ... the guy telling you what to do, wrote the book telling you to let him run your life? yes ... say, you want to buy a bridge?
~ the truth will set ya free, but only after it pisses ya off
~my place to rant
#4. To: Amandil (#3)
#5. To: Lod (#4)
Early in the day, Dan Rather called it a controlled demolition (as it clearly was to anyone with half a brain).
let me get this straight, you want this and have the power to do it, yet you let that other guy decide if you should? yep - why? cause the book told me to ... who wrote the book? well, he did ... the guy telling you what to do, wrote the book telling you to let him run your life? yes ... say, you want to buy a bridge?
~ the truth will set ya free, but only after it pisses ya off
~my place to rant
#6. To: tom007 (#0)
#7. To: Cynicom, Lod (#1)
Once this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center.
#8. To: Give Me Liberty (#7)
ALL of the Boeing 700 series aircraft since the late 60s, have been able to be flown remotely as the result of hijackings of that time. The concept was to be able to take control of a hijacked aircraft and safely fly it to a controlled airport where it could be safely landed, and the hijackers arrested, with the mil/gov. in total control. The individual(s) in the cockpit would have no control over the aircraft in any way. This was made possible by way of the AFSCS program. Theoretically we can take total control of any of these aircraft no matter where they are over the earth.
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"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
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except for the magic passports, of course.
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#18. To: Lod (#17)
Dov S. Zakeim was pentagon comptroller stole(
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#20. To: Cynicom, *9-11* (#1)
Uhhhh, nahhhhhhh.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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#22. To: FormerLurker (#20)
Have you never heard of drones or UAVs?
#23. To: Cynicom (#22)
9/11 was flown by human hands.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#24. To: FormerLurker (#23)
Are you trying to say those idiots who couldn't fly a single engine Cessna flew better that day than seasoned airline pilots?
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Also, in attendance at both seminars was a man named, Willie Rodriguez. He was the chief custodian at the World Trade Center buildings for 29 years. He said that he knew every inch of those 2 buildings. He also said that, for several weeks before 9/11, mysteriously he was not allowed to be on certain floors. This had never happened to him before. Rodriguez also stated that he, along with other workers, were in a basement before the planes hit the building; and that they heard and felt explosions going off in subbasements below them. He said that one explosion caused their feet to be lifted off the floor. He later concluded that those explosions served to soften-up the substructure which helped the buildings to collapse later.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#32. To: christine (#27)
But here is the critical question: what is the government's (not Silverstein's) official explanation for how and why Building 7 came down. I
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#33. To: christine (#27)
Or, are we only good citizens if we swallow whole everything it feeds us? Is that a recipe for remaining free?
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#34. To: Cynicom (#28)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#35. To: tom007 (#31)
Eye whitnesses are notoriously unreliable.
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Just one of the false trails that have obscured reality.
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