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Title: How 9/11 Was Done
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Published: Sep 3, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-09-03 14:09:24 by tom007
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How 9/11 Was Done For additional notes see the accompanying blog 911notes.blogspot.com. Prologue Read the following two screens of text to learn what happened at 9/11. 9/11 was a master plot, concocted by a handfull of Israelis and dual passport Americans and carried out by the resources of the Mossad. Larry Silverstein leases a nearly worthless dinosaur WTC building complex (worthless due to the asbestos the buildings were stuffed with and needed to be cleaned up, the cost of which may have rivaled the value of the buildings themselves) weeks before 9/11, makes sure it is over insured against terrorist acts and hires an Israeli security firm. From that moment on the coast is clear to let a team of demolition experts from the Israeli army led by Peer Segalovitz into the WTC buildings. These charges plus detonators had been prepared at the premises of the Urban Moving Systems company, a Mossad front. During the weeks before 9/11 these prepared charges were loaded into vans, driven into the basements of WTC Twin Towers next to the elevator shaft, unloaded into the elevator, and lifted onto the roof of the elevator through the opening in the elevator ceiling. Next the elevator moved from floor to floor while charges where being attached to the columns as displayed in this video from 0:22 onwards. The detonators of these charges were radiographic controlled and finally detonated from WTC7 on the day of 9/11. Fast backward, Hamburg 54 Marienstrasse, july 2000, 22:40. Mohamed Atta, Al Shehhi and Jarrah (who were later blamed of being the pilots of flight 11, 175 and 93 respectively), who share the apartment hear the ringing of the door bell. Jarrah opens the door, 5 masked men make their way into the apartment with drawn pistols. The 3 Arabs are forced to lay on the ground. Their passports are confiscated, next the 3 men are made unconscious with some liquid and strangled to death afterwards. The bodies are carried out of the apartment into a van and driven off towards a desolate spot at the boarding of the Elbe river outside Hamburg, 1 kilometer north of Borstel and disposed of into the river with a bag filled with stones tied to their feet. The 3 passports are now in the possession of the agents of the Mossad, who carried out the raid on the apartment and 3 Arabs have vanished without anybody knowing that they are dead. Not long after the raid the 3 passports are given to 3 Israeli agents who were selected on having some resemblance with the 3 Arabs just killed. They make for America soon afterwards in the summer of 2000 and start laying a trail at flight schools, posing with the stolen identities from the 3 Arabs killed. Years earlier the israeli Michael Goff working for PTech, an Arab owned software company that develops key enterprise software for many government institutions like NORAD and FAA, using his secure channel with another israeli Amit Yoran, somehow manages to give Israeli army computer programmers access to this critical computer code. It was due to this manipulation that the hijackings on 9/11 remained unnoticed by the flight controller of NORAD. Once this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center. The hijacking of airliners by remote control had been tested as a dress rehearsal for 9/11 on the Egypt Air flight 990 that crashed into the Atlantic on October 31, 1999. Now everything was in place to commit the crime of the century. On the day of 9/11 the Israeli stand-ins for the ‘Arab hijackers’ showed up at the predestined departure airports to make sure they were captured on surveillance camera’s. The crucial point here is that the security at both the departure airports was in hands of an Israeli firm Huntleigh-USA, a subsidiary of the Dutch based but Israeli owned ICTS led by a fellow named Menahem Atzmon. And this is crucial: Atzmon used to be a colleague of Olmert in 1998. So there you have the link between the 9/11 operative level (an airport security firm) and the highest level of Israeli politics. What happened on the morning of 9/11 was that after the Israeli stand-ins were captured on camera, they left the airport via a side entrance and the show could begin. Minutes after the planes became air born somebody somehow was able to send a signal to the planes, causing the control panels to be disabled and the flight destination altered. What happened was that an anti-hijack system was activated (code word ‘home run’) and the regular pilot was put out of control. This pilot will probably have tried frantically to regain control of his aircraft. It is not very likely he will have told his passengers about the new situation since that would only cause panic. The passengers probably suspected nothing and hence had no reason to make any phone calls to their relatives (which were not possible anyway). And while the 9/11 passengers unsuspecting travel towards their immanent deaths, on the ground from a war room Israeli agents carry out phone calls to relatives of the passengers that were still in the air, using voice morphing technology and caller-ID spoofing and thus planted the Arabs-did-it-deception in the public consciousness. The sound samples necessary to carry out the fake telephone calls had been obtained via the israeli infiltration of American telephone networks by Israeli firms like Amdocs and Verint. By the time that the passengers were puzzled as they discerned the New York sky line it was already too late. Meanwhile on the other side of the Hudson river the members of the Israeli team that planted the demolition charges were waiting for things to happen. And while the rest of New York experienced in horror the events that were unfolding that day, the demolition experts were celebrating and high-fiving. The plot had worked out magnificently. *** Please save this page to your local hard drive *** This blog is the verbal expression of an adaptive learning process. Please come back regularly. Core Argument Ok, I admit. Some elements in this story are speculative. I do not know for instance if Atta was killed in Germany or in America. But the story is an coherent educated speculation. It is an attempt to reconstruct the events of 9/11. Myriads of web sites exist that expose the inconsistencies in the official story, that obviously is a fraud. This story offers an integral explanation of what could have happened and in all likelihood more or less did happen at 9/11 as there can be hardly any doubt about who was behind 9/11 if one rejects the official story. Some elements remain vague, like what happened exactly to WTC7, flight77, flight93 or Mohamed Atta. But these questions are of academic interest only. It’s clear who was behind 9/11 and what happened in detail with WTC-1/2 and the planes. That is enough. Here’s where most people got killed. The rest of the plot can be uncovered by a tribunal. In order to prevent that you get swallowed up by yet another 10 meters of screen text here is the core of the argument. The story is based on 2 broadly accepted postulates: 1) WTC was brought down by controlled demolition 2) The ‘dancing Israelis’ on the morning of 9/11 had foreknowledge of things to come These 2 premises are enough to put the Official Conspiracy Theory (Arabs did it) out of business. Premise 2 leads to the preliminary conclusion that the Israelis had foreknowledge because they organized the attacks themselves. Since Israelis are not known to commit suicide attacks we have to assume that the airplanes that crashed into their destinations were remote controlled. If one accepts this as a working hypothesis than there is a lot, I mean really a lot, of material that supports this Israeli Conspiracy Theory that replaces the official Arab Conspiracy Theory. We have the dedicated Zionist Silverstein who leases the WTC complex and over insures it against terrorism (leading to a hansom profit); we know that security at all departure airports and ‘arrival airports’ (WTC) was in Israeli hands (Huntleigh-USA and Kroll Associates, resp.); we know that the owner of Huntleigh-USA, Menachem Atzmon, a convicted criminal, had strong ties to Ehud Olmert, that is the highest level of Israeli politics; we also know that the Israeli secret service can eavesdrop on virtually everybody in the USA via Israeli owned companies like Amdocs and Verint which gave the Mossad the possibility to obtain sound samples of future 9/11 passengers to apply voice morphing to in order to make the fake phone calls on 9/11. And of course there is Dov Zakheim, the real mastermind of 9/11 who was CEO of SPC for 4 years prior to 9/11, a company that produces systems for remote control of airplanes. The same Zakheim that was a member of the Zionist dominated PNAC group, that more or less plotted for a global American empire, and suggested that a ‘New Pearl Harbor‘ (page 51) could speed things up a bit; and finally the same Zakheim that 6 months before 9/11 became supervisor of a group of Pentagon comptrollers that had to sort out what had happened to the 2.3 trillion dollars that were missing from the Pentagon books; many of these comptrollers conveniently got killed on 9/11 and much of the financial data went with them. This is the core of the story. Note: I am not claiming that 9/11 is solved. Of this however we can be certain: WTC controlled demolition, Israelis carried out the operation, no Arab hijackers, mastermind Zakheim, motive PNAC & Clean Break and remote control. I do not care about flight77 or 93, those are details to be solved by crime investigators. The most pressing question is that of remote control: how was that done? Were the original flights 11 and 175 remote controlled themselves or was there a plane swap as some have suggested, including Bollyn? Disclaimer: nobody is guilty until convicted by a court of law. This blog’s intent is to stimulate thinking about 9/11 from a different angle than the official one. From day one the blame has been put at bin Laden and his people without real evidence. Today bin Laden is no longer persecuted for 9/11 according to the FBI website. The theory proposed here might be true or false or contain some truth. In the end it must be an official investigation that determines who is guilty and who is not. This blog is dedicated to Italian ex-president Cossiga who is the highest ranking statesman to date who has openly stated that it was the Mossad who has carried out the 9/11 attacks.
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#439. To: GreyLmist (#437)
Again you apparently have a reading comprehension problem, that, or you're just dodging the question. Were there smoke plumes coming from the WTC towers on the morning of 9/11/2001, YES or NO? Is it too hard for you to type either word? You are apparently a bullshitter with nothing of importance to say, who can't even answer a yes or no question with a yes or a no. Your fairytale has been exposed for what it is, and you continue to spam bullshit onto this thread, making the same disproven claims OVER and OVER and OVER. The entire sentient population of NYC and surrounding areas witnessed those smoke plumes, and a vast number witnessed the South Tower strike, witnessing the resultant fireballs, and/or the impact of the airliner itself. Any waking person in that area would have at minimum looked out their window to witness the smoke plumes, matching what they were seeing on live TV. YET, a critical part of your "theory" is that the smoke was faked, along with the fireballs. That is in conflict with what the majority of the population of NYC actually witnessed. Do you seriously believe what you write? Hey genius, the debris trajectory was not towards WTC 1, as can plainly be seen in many of the videos of the event. conflicting film-evidence of their trajectories This claim has been disproven repeatedly, using a panoramic collection of original videos starting from a position southwest of the WTC, proceeding clockwise to a position south of the WTC, shot from various angles and distances. ALL videos show that the smoke plume was travelling southeast, and the plane impacted the South Tower from the south. Any difficulty in depth perception is caused by varying distances from the observer to the WTC and the use of zoom lens. Hell, your pal titorite was trying to say there wasn't even a news helicopter in the air that morning, yet it can be clearly seen on a good number of different videos from different angles that it WAS there (northwest of the North Tower travelling northeast), and actual footage FROM that helicopter has been presented. So what's in this for you? A promotion, money, or a pat on the back from the "right" people? "Videography analysis" doesn't include the creation of false evidence by doctoring the video to support the conclusion. In other words, if you doctor the video and modify to make it look doctored, that's not "analysis", that's called falsification of evidence. Me. In conjunction with the early and continued research through the years on Art Students in-residence at the WTC, I also did research that indicated a mega- art heist as one element in suspect motivations; that the 9/11 Fund was mishandled for profiteering by the Red Cross and the United Way, etc., and that it was being allocated for legal representation of terrorist suspects like the Mossad group that was apprehended, incarcerated, and released. You provided no evidence to dismiss any involvement by Mukasey in the process of their release and deflectively ignored the info on Zakheim and Tridata re: the '93 WTC bombing investigations. You are all you've been accusing of others. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, and I'm really Ron Paul. You provided no evidence to dismiss any involvement by Mukasey in the process of their release and deflectively ignored the info on Zakheim and Tridata re: the '93 WTC bombing investigations. You ARE good at spin though, well not really, but you try at least. I said nothing about Mukasey other than there's no "testable evidence", contrary to your claims. There is a WIDE range of reports which mention Chertoff as the person who effected the release of the Israelis apprehended on or after 9/11. All there is on Mukasey in regards to those Israelis is a passing reference that he played a hand in it. So what are you trying to say, that Chertoff was NOT involved? You are simply trying to refute my words where I said the Justice Department was involved in their release, and for that, you are obviously trying to cover for Chertoff. Are you an employee of his? As far as the 93 bombing, I have made no comment either way, since it has nothing to do with the Israeli spy release which is what you were responding to. Keep bumping this thread, you'll push those videos with evidence that the Mossad were involved with 9/11 off the screen in just a few more posts. I'm sure that's why you're bothering yourself with posting right now.
How paranoid delusional does that sound? MOst of us are texans.... Many of us have attended truth seeker meetings or visited the silver eagle or have in some other way meet up personally to hang out or participate in something. It is good to bump this thread... to remember... to keep the conversation going and remembering that the guilty are not only still free but are now invading nation after nation...... as important as this conversation is... it should not be an end point of activism.... All the same their was no plane at shanksville. their was no plane at the pentagon. And so it goes. The evidence speaks louder than miscalculated conclusions. 911 was done with a combination of the latest propaganda techniques , DEW, Conventional Ordinance on seven, and the complicity of a state run media. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
But there WERE planes that hit the WTC towers. As far as Shanksville, it's debatable whether or not Flight 93 was shot down over it. It most certainly didn't crash there in one piece. My point in all this is that not only is the "no planes" theory a widely recognized hoax, it is easily disproven using actual evidence and a bit of logic. I simply question the motives of those posting it, after such actual evidence is given and logical questions are raised. This is especially true where it is not part of what constitutes prima facie evidence that 9/11 was a combination Israeli/US operation, covered up by a complicit media. You are so irrationally fanatical that you both demand input and slander if it's given. Anyone can websearch for more info on Mukasey and the Dancing Israelis, for instance, which you posture as if it's unattainable or doesn't implicate him at all. They can test its tangibility or not for themselves without a proclamation from you. It certainly doesn't exonerate Chertoff, so I see no logical basis for your objection to Mukasey's inclusion as a suspect as if it somehow threatens your Judiciary claim rather than possibly expanding and supporting it. Likewise with your rendering of the Zakheim and Tridata info re: '93 WTC investigation tampering as non-corroborative. Odd sayanim-like suppressions of evidence on your part but I'll keep Mukasey in mind as a suspect whether you like it or not.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
What I posted was in response to your slandering of me with your accusation that I was giving out "unsubstantiated assertions" as opposed to your "tangible, testable evidence", which in reality doesn't exist other than in your head. Here's what you said in post 425 This is tangible, testable evidence in response to tom007's question, which FL's isn't: I made no such claim, where I simply responded to tom's question as to who I thought was involved with the release of those Israelis. Turns out I was quite right, since Chertoff is the one who did it, and he did work as the head of the Justice Department's Criminal Division. I'm sure the White House at minimum gave it's blessing, it's not something a person could do on his own, and later be promoted to Secretary of Homeland Security, and later be given TSA contracts for naked body scanners. Yes, as mentioned in some of the clips I've posted which DO indicate Mukasey as the judge who was in charge of the 9/11 victim's claims against the security firms involved with 9/11. He was involved in other aspects of post 9/11 events as well. Thing is, there is no evidence that he had anything to do with the release of those Israelis, except for a passing reference here and there that he had a hand in it. If you can find some REAL "verifiable and testable" evidence that he did, then post it. And like I said, I'm not saying he didn't, but he certainly wasn't the one who made it happen, Chertoff is the one who did, since he's the one who gave the order to do so. Lucrative contracts no doubt. And the things cause cancers. Sweet. Think I read something about important jews being able to bypass TSA security - giving them the same status in that respect as federal marshalls. Nice trick there, projecting your own evil deeds unto your victims. Now THAT is a typical sayanim-like tactic there slick. Did you even bother watching any of the videos I've posted? They completely contradict your claims as to who is protecting who. I haven't read that anywhere, do you have a link? I wouldn't doubt it though. No I don't and it may be bs. Who authorized this? FL: US State Department, Justice Department, and the White House. This is an example of evidentiary double standards that translate to pretty much any unsubstantiated assertion by planers being automatically deemed as admissable and nothing pertaining to no planes analysis. This is tangible, testable evidence in response to tom007's question, which FL's isn't: Oh and BTW, here's evidence the State Department was involved in the release of those spies... From What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks? You deny that military planes flew into towers despite eyewitnesses and pictures that clearly show it was not a commercial plane that hit the towers. You can continue to deny irrefutable evidence, but it just makes you look crazy. Those were not commercial planes that hit the towers, they were military planes.
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My point in all this is that not only is the "no planes" theory a widely recognized hoax, it is easily disproven using actual evidence and a bit of logic. I simply question the motives of those posting it, after such actual evidence is given and logical questions are raised. This is especially true where it is not part of what constitutes prima facie evidence that 9/11 was a combination Israeli/US operation, covered up by a complicit media. I notice you do not touch the pentagon..... Was that part to flimsy? OK you can disbelieve that part of the government portion but the rest of the story I insist you believe. .................................................................................... You say : I simply question the motives of those posting it, after such actual evidence is given and logical questions are raised. ................................................................................... Maybe I should question you for questioning me. I mean I have no idea why you don't get it... maybe just like you have no idea why I don't get it. Que fucking bono.... Alot of assholes got to test alot of untested technology that day. ..... I am not yet convinced of holograph planes... mostly cause the idea of that has not been repeated.... TV fakery though... easy editing with real time alterations... fuck yeah .. done before during and it is better than ever today. IMaginary planes that only exist on paper and celluloid means no one can fight back because their is no one. Conventional ordinance used to mimic a crash, some fake plane parts scattered through out the city.. parts which do not match the alleged planes used. Pre staged actors and clips and boom we got ourselves a motavational false flag with over a 99.9% guaranteed success probability. Hell look how well this chris stevens bullshit is working... Killed over a BS anti muslim movie... for 9/11/12 Now we can justify more boots on the ground in Libya .... Propaganda is fucking evil..... learn every single aspect about it that you can as it is the first and last tool in the closet of evil fucker things. 911 has many many many nuances of propaganda.... Maybe it would help you to dissect that. For the life of me... THE WINGS CAN NOT TAKE THOSE STRESSE$S, THEY HAD NO LAND MARKS TO NAVIGATE BY, INTERCEPTORS WOULD OF DISREGARDED ORDERS AT SOME POINT, THE MASS AND MATTER OF THE WRECKAGE WOULD OF BEEN RECOVERABLE, THE FILM FOOTAGE THAT CAUGHT ALOT OF THOSE "CLEAR"ISH PICTURES WAS NOT HIGH SPEED SHUTTER STUFF!!!! AHHHHHHHH SO MANY FUCKING HOLES WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT TO GET?! ACCEPT THE PAIN PUKE IF YOU NEED TO AND GET THE FUCK OVER IT!!!! It is what it is. THE TV IS A TOTALLY COMPROMISED MEDIUM THE FACT THAT YOU FAIL TO FULLY GET THAT BOTHERS ME. The Net offers your only informative refuge... and even here you have the many tentacles of the NWO octopus withering their way into us.... fuck em. .. but can you think like them? The evidence is there and it has been presented to you already to no avail thanks to vile propo blinders. Maybe the motivational aspect will reach you... So you got these evil dicks that want to do this 911 shit for various reasons... some want money, some want justifications, some just want to test the latest toys of war and some just want a blood sacrifice for cult reasons...but they all agree to work together to make this happen.. and that means they will have to dupe others into helping them do this...some willingly others unwittingly.... Now this plan must work... this time.. their can be no mistakes... again... because this plan was tried once before and FAILED in 93...(imagine clinton being able to pick off where bush 1 left off... that was a close time frame but the buildings stood strong thanks to a refusal to follow orders and clinton did not get to play the part of a war president...instead a son would forfil that BS role) IN 2001 their could be no more mistakes. 1993 already shown that a re-evaluation of trust was needed because these out of touch whackos had no idea they could not trust the 93 FBI informant.... The Human factor. Humans tend to fuck things up.. the only way to assure a plan is to remove the human factor. TV makes shit up all the time... Fox NBC CBS ABC ... all liars and mental manipulators... agents of the state. You have so many buildings to judge perspectives.... so many flying objects to judge perspectives.... so many angles........so many things that do not fit an overlapping pattern but rather a mosaic of discord that is typical of a lie. The smoke comes from multiple directions : you refuse to see it saying trick of perspective The plane has multiple approach angles: You refuse to see it saying yet another trick of perspective The MPH does not add up ,the wake vortex is missing, the cell communications were impossible, the amount of wreckage was never equal that of the amount of lost material I MEAN FROM THE TOPS OF THE HIMALAYAS TO THE BOTTOMS OF THE OCEANS CRASHED PLANES ARE ALMOST ALWAYS PUT BACK TOGETHER.. but not these four planes..... infact the official stance is they evaporated and other such asinine bullshit. An eye witness can lie.... Later videos might be fake..... But the footage of that day is all you need. IF you know Ron Avery he still has my DVD of the days events.. Not sure if Artisan has anything on the copy I sent him... Older stuff before I learned newer stuff... I look at Von Klist with contempt because I know he spent just as many hours looking at this junk as I have.... He knows the truth... he just wont risk saying it.... may my neck be thicker. Point being is that if you can find footage someone recorded from the zero moment then you can see it all for yourself. IT IS NOT A TRICK OF PERSPECTIVE! I have seen you bust out some math but I suspect it was copy and paste and not original work.... I suspect this because you can follow clip by clip via the buildings, back rounds, flying objects, you can compare all this from clip to clip to clip and see the clear inconsistencies. One has but to compare. Then to accept. or deny choice is yours. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
It was a military plane that hit the South Tower as pictures have proved.
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I've been posting details of how impossible it would be for the towers to fall into their own footprints before you could even legally drive. I've also been posting WHY it would be impossible, and not just that aspect of it, but posted the entire timeline leading up the 9/11, including info on British and US troops assembled outside of Afghanistan ready to pounce on it, days BEFORE 9/11. I've posted how Unocal, a huge oil and natural gas company, had tried to acquire land in Afghanistan back in the late 90's in order to build a pipeline from its oil fields north of Afghanistan to the reach the coast of Pakistan. I've been doing this sort of thing on different forums since 2002, kid. Wake up, stop being so naive and gullible, and use a bit of common sense. Not millions of them. The plane has multiple approach angles: You refuse to see it saying yet another trick of perspective If you truly believe that, you need to go back to school. Try studying geometry and calculus. You might learn a few things. As I mentioned on previous posts, look at the direction of the smoke, it is ALWAYS blowing towards the southeast. The plane hits the south tower from the south on every video as well. Use the posted map as a reference, and try to follow the analysis I posted using that map. If you STILL believe what you state here, there are only several possibilities; A) You are REALLY stupid. Every single lucid person in NYC and surrounding areas could see that smoke that morning, matching what they were seeing on live TV if they were in their home or in a public place with a TV set. Others who were at work, in transit, or there as tourists could see the smoke plumes as well. Not ONE of them claim to have witnessed NO SMOKE PLUMES, contradicting what was broadcast on television, live or recorded. So for your "theory" to be true, 5 million or more people would have to be "in" on the conspiracy. The only person that is acting stupid is you former lurker... and thats sad...... You make your choice and you choose comfortable delusion ............ may the yoke rest heavy on you and may posterity forget your name.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
Keep thinking you know everything punk, it'll come back and bite you when you least expect it. What's rather pathetic is that you actually appear to believe the bullshit you're posting. So, which experts did the govt call? Experts that are worthy of the title? I'd settle for one name.
This reminds me of another pro Israel shill I debated some years back. When I cited Ha'aretz (Israel's largest newspaper) as a source his only reply was, "Well, Ha'aretz is losing subscribers", as if this was some measure of the paper's veracity. And he didn't explain why the fact that all print media are shrinking because of the internet wouldn't also account for a loss of subscribers. I was supposed to assume that any loss of subscribers was the result of the paper disagreeing with him on that point of contention before he ever took exception to it! I'd be interested to see the documentation and numbers to help define the term "few". And just who does that type of analysis, anyway?
Thank you for the diagnosis, Doctor! (You won't cry foul at the use of the word "you" here, will you? And, I couldn't help but notice the absence of any medical school training as a qualifier to post #310. In the absence of formal training, just how does one accrue experience at diagnosing crackpots with such certainty? (family history perhaps?) Christine's husband certainly has the medical degree to make such a diagnosis. Would a differing opinion from a psychologist carry any weight, or would his background also come under attack? Also, the promise to stick by the "flying telephone poles" theory and a phony resume in support of it will be great, if it's notarized and filed with the district court as an amicus curiae brief. I'm quite certain that won't happen, because the court may commit the individual who puts such an affidavit on the docket for an(other) involuntary, 90 day mental health evaluation.... Otherwise, it would appear that any future complaint about a loss of civility and lack of credentials would be meaningless gibberish from a poster with a murky agenda and questionable mental health. As a matter of law an unsworn rebuttal to sworn testimony is presumed to be incorrect (or worse) and the courts take no cognizance of it. And for the life of me I can't imagine why we should, either. And life experience can be factored out now that we're all forbidden to offer any credentials in support of our posts! This thread is now for folks who are steam rollered equally flat and stupid!
What's rather pathetic is that you actually appear to believe the bullshit you're posting. And now I'm a know it all punk.... Whatever man. I don't know it all but I do know that I can measure where the buildings are in the the various foregrounds and backrounds in relation to the smoke directions and plane trajectories. When all this is looked at and measured and compared the evidence shows massive divergence rather than a clear agreed upon event. I do believe what I post... I have spent years moving into decades, doing my own leg work, researching more and more about 911 ..... And you call me the know it all punk...... Seems I can't hold a candle to what you know Former Lurker... What can be said? May all of your propaganda be of the upmost entertainment for you. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
Facts are now propaganda? The no plane position is not a serious position because it is utter BS. No serious 9/11 researcher agrees with it, not one! You are not a serious 9/11 researcher, you are a disinfo agent or a delusional nut. Saying there was no planes that hit the towers is similar to someone else saying there was no gunshot wound to Trayvon Martin, it was all smoke and mirrors, he is probably still alive somewhere. You aren't very bright to keep trying to stir racist crap up and then try very pitifully to push a no plane theory on a site like this. God is always good!
Not ONE of them claim to have witnessed NO SMOKE PLUMES, contradicting what was broadcast on television, live or recorded. The no planers are obviously no brainers trying to smear the 9/11 truth movement. They have derailed this thread numerous times with their no plane BS. This reminds me of Judy Woods' crackpot theory that there were rays from space that hit the towers causing them to explode. People like Judy Woods are obviously paid disinfo agents. I firmly believe Alex Jones is also in that camp. Tit might not be paid though, he might just be dumb enough to believe such nonsense. God is always good!
The reputable Israeli daily Ha'aretz reported that by the last week of October 2001, some six weeks after the men had been detained, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage and two unidentified "prominent New York congressmen" were lobbying heavily for their release. According to a source at ABC News close to the 20/20 report, high-profile criminal lawyer Alan Dershowitz also stepped in as a negotiator on behalf of the men to smooth out differences with the U.S. government. (Dershowitz declined to comment for this article.) And so, at the end of November 2001, for reasons that only noted they had been working in the country illegally as movers, in violation of their visas, the men were flown home to Israel. I didn't post about Mukasey to refute your vague statement, nor because I don't think the State Department or any others throughout guv departments were involved. I posted it because you had posted nothing specific at all and no planers moved to ask for supporting evidence. Further expanding on the research: Excerpts from: The Dancing Israelis on 9-11 Steven Noah Gordon, a lawyer for the five, told The New York Times that their behaviour may have been offensive, but said the behaviour was not criminal — "and they were being treated as if it was." The five have since been deported. U.S. officials have offered no explanation for the arrests, even to immigration judges. Last month, when the INS asked that bail be denied to 11 of the Israelis, a judge rejected the request, saying the government had been less than forthcoming with evidence. Although the [INS] alleges that these cases are 'special,' it has failed to present any credible evidence of the basis for this finding," Judge Elizabeth Hacker wrote. "The service has failed to submit any evidence of terrorist activity or of a threat to national security." - The Globe & Mail [Wayback] The five were ordered deported Sept. 25 by an immigration judge after they acknowledged working here illegally. The Immigration and Naturalization Service would normally move expeditiously to deport them, but they have been caught up in the Bush administration’s effort to nab anyone even remotely connected with the terror attacks. The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case. Both the lawyers for the young men and the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature conduct. You might want to retract your assertion now that they bypassed judges in their release. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Dov Zakheim, another infamous name associated with 9-11. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
None of them went in front of a judge in relation to their roles in 9/11, espionage, and violations of various laws such as possession of explosives (reportedly tons) packed in one of those white vans, along with actually BLOWING UP a van on King Street in NYC which had been painted with a mural depicting an airliner crashing into the WTC. So that's what I was talking about, not whether their visas had expired or they jaywalked somewhere. Mukasey was not an Immigration judge, and it is he you were saying was the one who freed those Israelis. So that's what I was talking about, not whether their visas had expired or they jaywalked somewhere. Mukasey was not an Immigration judge, and it is he you were saying was the one who freed those Israelis. No, you are misconstruing again. I posted info at #425 which stated that Mukasey played a critical role in sending the Mossad agents arrested on 9/11 to Israel, not the critical role as if he did it himself. At #427, you said: "Those agents never went before a judge of any type," and your evidence for that is still zero. At #444, you assert unsourced: "There is a WIDE range of reports which mention Chertoff as the person who effected the release of the Israelis apprehended on or after 9/11."; as if the wide range of reports which mention Mukasey-involvement don't count or somehow need more evidence than the zilch you presented on the subject -- and that was the point of my initial post on the matter in the first place: to show the evidentiary double standard that is expected to be higher for No Planes posters than for Planers. Thanks for proving my point again. Additionally, although Judge Hacker (who commented in the above referenced article) is an Immigration judge, she isn't even of the New York jurisdiction. There were many more Israeli suspects, besides the 5 Dancing Israelis in New York, who were also arrested and incarcerated then in other states as well. Some of the suspects were being held on Immigration charges but that wasn't what they were all being held for only, even if the Dancing Israelis were eventually deported for Immigration violations. iirc, some were stopped around Chicago with a map of the Sears Tower, etc.) The 5 Dancing Israelis were being held in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, which is a Federal Prison facility. It serves both the Eastern and the Southern U.S. District Courts of New York and Mukasey was a judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York at the time (term: 1987-2006). Also: Hellerstein (term: 1998-2011). More on Hellerstein, Mukasey, and Chertoff in another post but first a bit more on Mukasey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mukasey More on the 9/11 Dancing Israelis and others: LEST WE FORGET–Dozens of Israeli Jews Being Kept in Federal Detention « The Ugly Truth ”We think there are about 50 in detention now, in San Diego, Houston, Kansas City, St. Louis and Cleveland, and there are some who have been released,” said Ido Aharoni, a spokesman for the Israeli consulate in New York. ”It’s not easy to get an exact count. Who Destroyed the WTC? (Connect the dots) -- Memorial Day, 2008 Edited paragraph 1 + spelling and spacing. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
From: Michael Mukasey - Wikipedia Pic: President George W. Bush listens to remarks by Judge Michael Mukasey after announcing his nomination to be Attorney General. From: Urban Moving Systems: the US-Israeli 9/11 Financial Nexus Chertoff’s synagogue buddy, Michael Bernard Mukasey - an Orthodox Jew, was appointed by Bush as US Attorney General in 2007. [sic] take the 5 Israelis who were investigated by the FBI for their role in the 9-11 travesty but were allowed to return to Israel in late 2001. It was Michael Chertoff, then head of the US Justice Department’s criminal division & Talmudic Jew - Michael Mukasey, then Federal District Chief judge for New York in Manhattan, who gave the order...OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE BY ZIONIST JEWS [sic] The FBI had come under intense pressure from several congressmen and various pro-Israel groups to release the Israelis. The order to free them came from Michael Chertoff & Judge Michael Mukasey. An FBI investigator noted, “Leads were not fully investigated” due to pressure from “higher echelons.” [sic] The FBI had come under intense pressure from several congressmen and various pro- Israel groups to release the Israelis. The order to free them came from Michael Chertoff & Judge Michael Mukasey. An FBI investigator noted, “Leads were not fully investigated” due to pressure from “higher echelons.” [sic] In the days after the attacks, Mukasey worked behind closed doors seeing some of the first material witnesses detained by Federal authorities. These would have included the “five dancing Israelis” From: 9- 11: Israel’s Masterpiece - Lost Scribe Media Michael Mukasey along with Michael Chertoff, both key suspects in the 9/11 cover-up, also worked hand and glove in the first false flag bombing of the WTC in 1993. [My note: See also prior info posted earlier on Zakheim and Tridata, a subsidiary of his SPC/Systems Planning Corporation re: WTC '93 investigation tampering.] Chertoff was the lead prosecutor and Mukasey was the judge presiding over the fraudulent trial of the “Blind Sheikh”, Omar Abdel Rahman in the aftermath of the false flag bombing at WTC in 1993. The “Blind Sheikh” at the beginning of the trial asked Mukasey to remove himself from the trial given his severe bias towards the state of Israel. Mukasey, who had not permitted the “blind sheikh” the services of his choice of attorney and who also prevented the “blind sheikh” from his due process denying him the right to have an expert witness explain Islam to the ignorant jury, curtly refused this motion from the defendant. After his sentencing, the “Blind Sheikh”, among other anomalies and inconsistencies of the prosecution’s case, patiently explained that it was impossible for him to form a terrorist group while being incarcerated thousands of miles away during its creation. He was repeatedly and rudely interrupted by an irate and indignant Mukasey as the sheikh painstakingly debunked the fraudulent proceedings of the trial. In the 9/11 attacks Mukasey’s role was multifaceted. He oversaw the detained witnesses and suspects including the 5 dancing Israeli Mossad agents at the behest of then Assistant Attorney General at the Department of Justice, Michael Chertoff, the son of a founding member of the Mossad. Edited to add a link for Zakheim info at Post #425. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
BTP Holdings: Dov Zakheim, another infamous name associated with 9-11. Excerpt from: www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/newworld_order/real_path.htm ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Edited to add a link for Zakheim info at Post #425. ------- Appears we at 4um have far better investigative skills than the FBI and the New York Times and CBS. Funny that? Michael Chertoff - Wikipedia under Attorney General John Ashcroft. Chertoff Denies Knowing Who Authorized Destruction of 9-11 Steel -- Christopher Bollyn | March 9, 2011 Chertoff responded the same day: No. No idea. Other questions unanswered: Why did President Bush and Attorney General Ashcroft allow Mayor Giuliani to “take over the cleanup operation”? ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Funny that? I can't say as it's funny so much as disconcerting. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#440. To: GreyLmist (#437)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#441. To: GreyLmist (#437)
lack of significant impact on WTC 1 from the explosive debris and projectiles flying towards it
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#442. To: GreyLmist (#437)
Videography analysis a distractive and disruptive non-science, what's the point of your question?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#443. To: FormerLurker (#435)
Name me even one researcher who pioneered legitimate research into the events of 9/11 who endorses the "no planes" theory.
#444. To: GreyLmist (#443)
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Name me one legitimate 9/11 reseacher
Me.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#445. To: GreyLmist (#443)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#446. To: FormerLurker (#445)
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Keep bumping this thread, you'll push those videos with evidence that the Mossad were involved with 9/11 off the screen in just a few more posts. I'm sure that's why you're bothering yourself with posting right now.
#447. To: titorite (#446)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#448. To: FormerLurker (#445)
#449. To: GreyLmist, tom007, All (#448)
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You are so irrationally fanatical that you both demand input and slander if it's given.
This is an example of evidentiary double standards that translate to pretty much any unsubstantiated assertion by planers being automatically deemed as admissable and nothing pertaining to no planes analysis.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#450. To: GreyLmist (#448)
Anyone can websearch for more info on Mukasey and the Dancing Israelis
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#451. To: FormerLurker (#449)
ure the White House at minimum gave it's blessing, it's not something a person could do on his own, and later be promoted to Secretary of Homeland Security, and later be given TSA contracts for naked body scanners.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#452. To: GreyLmist (#448)
Odd sayanim-like suppressions of evidence on your part
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#453. To: tom007 (#451)
Think I read something about important jews being able to bypass TSA security - giving them the same status in that respect as federal marshalls.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#454. To: FormerLurker (#453)
I haven't read that anywhere, do you have a link? I wouldn't doubt it though.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#455. To: GreyLmist, tom007, RickyJ, *9-11* (#425)
tom007: Yes - Let us know who signed off on these eyewitnesses to this huge crime to be released to Israel.
The reputable Israeli daily Ha'aretz reported that by the last week of October 2001, some six weeks after the men had been detained, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage and two unidentified "prominent New York congressmen" were lobbying heavily for their release. According to a source at ABC News close to the 20/20 report, high-profile criminal lawyer Alan Dershowitz also stepped in as a negotiator on behalf of the men to smooth out differences with the U.S. government. (Dershowitz declined to comment for this article.) And so, at the end of November 2001, for reasons that only noted they had been working in the country illegally as movers, in violation of their visas, the men were flown home to Israel.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#456. To: GreyLmist (#425)
#457. To: FormerLurker (#447)
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But there WERE planes that hit the WTC towers. As far as Shanksville, it's debatable whether or not Flight 93 was shot down over it. It most certainly didn't crash there in one piece.
#458. To: titorite (#457)
#459. To: titorite (#457)
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OK you can disbelieve that part of the government portion but the rest of the story I insist you believe.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#460. To: titorite (#457)
An eye witness can lie....
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#461. To: titorite (#457)
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The smoke comes from multiple directions : you refuse to see it saying trick of perspective
B) You have an unshakable religious belief in what you write, ignoring all facts and logic.
C) You are blind as hell.
D) You are deliberately lying.
E) All of the above.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#462. To: FormerLurker (#461)
#463. To: titorite (#462)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#464. To: Cynicom, randge, christine (#304)
Utterly amazing that the government never called him as an expert witness, unless of course they suspected he was a bit of a bullshit artist.
#465. To: Cynicom, randge, christine (#306)
I read his claim long ago and few people bought into it.
#466. To: Cynicom, randge, christine (#310)
John Lear is a crackpot,
#467. To: FormerLurker (#463)
Keep thinking you know everything punk, it'll come back and bite you when you least expect it.
#468. To: titorite (#467)
May all of your propaganda be of the upmost entertainment for you.
#469. To: FormerLurker (#461)
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Every single lucid person in NYC and surrounding areas could see that smoke that morning, matching what they were seeing on live TV if they were in their home or in a public place with a TV set. Others who were at work, in transit, or there as tourists could see the smoke plumes as well.
#470. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#455)
Oh and BTW, here's evidence the State Department was involved in the release of those spies...
From What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?
Sivan, who had the camera, had planned to fly to India on Sept. 14 to meet friends there.” – Jewish Week (11/02/01)
#471. To: GreyLmist (#425)
Rabbi Zakheim
#472. To: GreyLmist (#470)
(Edited)
You might want to retract your assertion now that they bypassed judges in their release.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#473. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#472)
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None of them went in front of a judge in relation to their roles in 9/11, espionage, and violations of various laws such as possession of explosives (reportedly tons) packed in one of those white vans, along with actually BLOWING UP a van on King Street in NYC which had been painted with a mural depicting an airliner crashing into the WTC.
On October 14, 2004, citing U.S. Supreme Court precedent, Mukasey reversed his September 2002 decision and dismissed a case in which plaintiffs in twenty consolidated actions sued the Italian insurance company Generali S.p.A. (Generali), seeking damages for nonpayment of insurance proceeds to beneficiaries of policies purchased by Holocaust victims before the end of World War II.[23] In so ruling, Mukasey gave deference to "a federal executive branch policy favoring voluntary resolution of Holocaust-era insurance claims."[24]
some have been kept in detention by the Immigration and Naturalization Service for nearly a month. In some cases, the immigration service has invoked special post-Sept. 11 laws to keep the Israelis in jail but presented no evidence of a link to the terrorism investigation.
Four of the Israelis, arrested on 9-11 for celebrating the mass murder of thousands of Americans, filed a multimillion dollar lawsuit against the US Justice Department, claiming they were arrested illegally, then held without charge and interrogated and tortured for months. [sic] After Sept. 11 over 100 young Israeli "art students", illegally in the country and spying all across America, were quietly ordered "deported" to Israel by a high American official [Chertoff again?]. [Have they filed suit against US, too?]
#474. To: All, *9-11* (#473)
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More on Hellerstein, Mukasey, and Chertoff in another post
In 1987, Mukasey was nominated as a federal district judge for the Southern District of New York in Manhattan by President Ronald Reagan; he took the bench in 1988. He served in that position for 18 years, including tenure as Chief Judge from March 2000[19] through July 2006.[20]
Beginning in 2001, Michael Chertoff - the son of a Talmudic rabbi - was head of the criminal division of the US Justice Department. In 2005 President Bush nominated Chertoff as Secretary of US Homeland Security.
Alvin K Hellerstein and Michael Mukasey have been the Israeli connected, Talmudic tag-team of NY federal judges that have dominated 9/11 related litigation. [sic] Hellerstein and Mukasey just so happen to attend the exact same Orthodox, Zionist, Kehilath Jeshrun synagogue in Manhattan. The synagogue openly states that it is “deeply committed to the State of Israel and its citizens.” [sic]
#475. To: BTP Holdings (#471)
Me: Rabbi Zakheim
[Zakheim] was very familiar with WTC structures, infrastructures, and security arrangements from his involvement with SPC Subsidiary TRIDATA CORPORATION that oversaw 1993 WTC explosion related investigation and auditing.
#476. To: GreyLmist, formerlurker (#474)
In the 9/11 attacks Mukasey’s role was multifaceted. He oversaw the detained witnesses and suspects including the 5 dancing Israeli Mossad agents at the behest of then Assistant Attorney General at the Department of Justice, Michael Chertoff, the son of a founding member of the Mossad.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#477. To: All (#474)
Assistant Attorney General at the Department of Justice, Michael Chertoff, the son of a founding member of the Mossad.
From 2001 to 2003, he headed the criminal division of the Department of Justice,
Did you give the permission to send the steel from the World Trade Center to the scrap yard? If you did not authorize the destruction of the steel, who did?
Can you tell me why U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft and the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice, which you headed, allowed Mayor Giuliani to “seize control” of the crime scene and make decisions that resulted in the hasty destruction of crucial evidence before it could be properly examined?
#478. To: tom007 (#476)
Appears we at 4um have far better investigative skills than the FBI and the New York Times and CBS.
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