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Title: Pilots Analyze the Government Provided Radar Data of the Planes of 9-11
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Published: Sep 24, 2012
Author: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/911-inter
Post Date: 2012-09-24 19:34:06 by tom007
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Views: 4722
Comments: 145

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#2. To: tom007 (#0)

Alleged aircraft hit the buildings????

One can see where this is going. Another waste of time.

Another review by "EXPERTS" that cannot..."AUTHENTICATE"... the government provided material, well then the inference is it may all be LIES, all BOGUS, BECAUSE WE CANNOT PROVE ANYTHING, WHY WASTE YOUR TIME.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-24   20:38:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Alleged aircraft hit the buildings????

Are you trying to say that it is 100% certain that the aircraft which struck the towers are the ones reported as being hijacked? If you bothered watching the video, you'd more than likely understand why and how that is highly unlikely.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-24   21:16:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Are you trying to say that it is 100% certain that the aircraft which struck the towers are the ones reported as being hijacked? If you bothered watching the video, you'd more than likely understand why and how that is highly unlikely.

I dont think so.

I'll stand with my flying telephone poles. Am organizing a panel of "pole" experts as we speak, to address the "alleged" 9/11 event that never happened.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-24   21:59:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Cyni, 9/11 happened alright, just not the way the talking heads and the politicians claim it did.

What do you make of that van on the George Washington Bridge pulled over on 9/11 after the attacks, you know, the one that was filled with tons of explosives and driven by Israelis?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-24   22:31:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What do you make of that van on the George Washington Bridge pulled over on 9/11 after the attacks, you know, the one that was filled with tons of explosives and driven by Israelis?

Good starting point.

Ever notice however there are no panels of experts to prove or disprove they ever existed?

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-24   22:46:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Ever notice however there are no panels of experts to prove or disprove they ever existed?

News reports from that day, along with FBI documents, indicate they did in fact exist.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-24   23:10:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

News reports from that day, along with FBI documents, indicate they did in fact exist.

However, there has never been any independent panel of "experts" that can "prove" the government is lying.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   5:21:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

However, there has never been any independent panel of "experts" that can "prove" the government is lying.

Ever hear of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, or the producers of this video Pilots for 9/11 Truth?

The government story of the WTC collapse is physically impossible. The Israelis who were arrested on 9/11 with tons of explosives were released with charges.

How much more factual evidence is necessary? Would it take Sean Hannity to report that the government lied on 9/11 to make it so?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-25   9:25:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

How much more factual evidence is necessary? Would it take Sean Hannity to report that the government lied on 9/11 to make it so?

This is what I spoke of...

"What do you make of that van on the George Washington Bridge pulled over on 9/11 after the attacks, you know, the one that was filled with tons of explosives and driven by Israelis?"

I would like to see a panel of experts or anyone to revisit that.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   9:36:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I would like to see a panel of experts or anyone to revisit that.

Who needs a panel of experts when you got the cops on their radio?

Now you can empanel a jury of pointy heads, Cyni. ; ]

randge  posted on  2012-09-25   10:57:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Having been involved with lesser events with the government and military, over many years, I can safely say that, things get screwed up, people misspeak, misunderstand, and it takes great effort to untangle things.

Recall that no one of responsibility ever stood up and called a halt to the madness. It was a lowly FAA person that finally took the bull by the horns and ordered everyone down until it could be sorted out.

Cheney and Bush did nothing,none of their boot lickers did anything, the world was gone mad.

A peon stepped up, called a halt to everything. The VP was as useless as tits on a rain barrel and Bush was hiding in Louisiana.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   12:05:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Having been involved with lesser events with the government and military, over many years, I can safely say that, things get screwed up, people misspeak, misunderstand, and it takes great effort to untangle things.

Recall that no one of responsibility ever stood up and called a halt to the madness. It was a lowly FAA person that finally took the bull by the horns and ordered everyone down until it could be sorted out.

Cheney and Bush did nothing,none of their boot lickers did anything, the world was gone mad.

A peon stepped up, called a halt to everything.

What? Where did you get the impression that an FAA person ordered SCATANA implemented rather than the Military?

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-25   18:14:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

After this young man, before pointing negative fingers, do a check on the subject.

Here is the mans name and the story.

ANYONE THAT HAD ANY INTEREST IN 911 SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS GENTLEMAN FROM DAY ONE, NOT YEARS LATER.

"Man who grounded 4,000 planes on 9/11 was on first day of his job

As terrorists seized control of four airplanes on Sept. 11th, 2001, Ben Sliney, chief of air-traffic-control operations at the FAA's command center in Herndon, Va., gave the unprecedented order to ground 4,000-plus planes across the nation and redirect any in the sky to the nearest airport. It was his first day on the job.

On Sept. 11th, 2001, terrorists hijacked four American commercial jets with the intention of crashing them into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, and the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C. The terrorists were successful in three of their four targets with the fourth plane's assault on the Capitol building was thwarted by heroic passengers on board. While we now know no other planes were hijacked, at the time, each of the 4,000-plus flights in American air space were potential risks.

But due to Ben Sliney, the Federal Aviation Administration's National Operations Manager on duty that fateful morning, possible harm, at least by the thinking at the time, was averted. Sliney made the gutsy — and completely unprecedented — call to ground every single commercial airplane in the country.

Man who grounded 4,000 planes on 9/11 was on first day of his jobWhat makes the call — which, without direct order from the President and the bureaucracy above him, was his and his alone to make — all the more gutsy is that Sept. 11th, 2001, was Ben Sliney's first day on the job as an FAA National Operations Manager.

Although that's not to say Sliney was some neophyte making a cowboy-like call. He had 25 years of experience in air traffic control as part of FAA management, including a leadership position at New York TRACON, which has responsibility over all air traffic for New York City's three major airports and the smaller, regional airports in the New York City area. But the decision to ground the planes — that was entirely Sliney's.

In fact, it's such a great story that when Universal Pictures decided to turn the heroism of the passengers of United Flight 93 into a movie, they not only didn't overlook Sliney's role — they asked him to play himself in the movie. Which he did.

Sliney's decision is a great testament to the belief that doing the right thing sometimes requires a risky choice. Sliney made the right one."

Cyni...

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   19:39:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ANYONE THAT HAD ANY INTEREST IN 911 SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS GENTLEMAN FROM DAY ONE ...

Maybe a video would be more convincing? See http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/295417-1

Phant2000  posted on  2012-09-25   20:20:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks...

Friend of mine had that job a few years ago after I retired.

Many people are afraid of or are unable to recognize reality.

That is what we have here. There is no excuse for being obtuse about something when it is obvious to others that an enlightened background is missing.

Failure to avail oneself of what is available is basis for forming wrong opinions that defy gravity.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   20:27:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Many people are afraid of or are unable to recognize reality.

That is what we have here. There is no excuse for being obtuse about something when it is obvious to others that an enlightened background is missing.

Failure to avail oneself of what is available is basis for forming wrong opinions that defy gravity.

I love you C

But that post was marvelous nonsense.

tom007  posted on  2012-09-25   20:46:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But that post was marvelous nonsense.

I was taught civility, long ago.

The first example drummed into my thick head was this:

"Winston Churchill once said..."It costs me nothing to be civil to a man, even though I intend to hang him tomorrow".

ON this forum, I am very often labeled as dumb, stupid, ignorant and those are the kind and generous ones. At times posters use language that describes what they really think.

At the end of the day, I will have proven myself ignorant at best, but I did try to be civil doing it.

Did not cost me a cent.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-26   3:33:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I did try to be civil doing it.

Malarkey. What you tried to do here in your responses to me is exempt yourself from civility with an autocratic double standard equating any attempt to debate you as finger-pointing, rudeness, verbiage, gross verbiage, lack of self- enlightenment and intelligent discourse, negativity and so on.

Edited for spelling.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-26   4:08:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What you tried to do here in your responses to me is exempt yourself from civility with an autocratic double standard equating any attempt to debate you as finger-pointing, rudeness, verbiage, gross verbiage, lack of self- enlightenment and intelligent discourse, negativity and so on.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who knows he's full of shit. He pulls out the "civility" canard when he's had his ass handed to him on a plate an can no longer defend his position. Then he runs away.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-09-26   7:50:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who knows he's full of shit. He pulls out the "civility" canard when he's had his ass handed to him on a plate an can no longer defend his position. Then he runs away.

Perhaps my civility classes would be beneficial?????

People that do not function well in open society find such very helpful.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-26   9:35:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Perhaps my civility classes would be beneficial?????

People that do not function well in open society find such very helpful.

Because...they're not functioning well or they'd know better than to take a class in civility from you, Mr. Double Standards Autocrat?

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-26   9:53:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Because...they're not functioning well or they'd know better than to take a class in civility from you, Mr. Double Standards Autocrat?

Fan would feel much better if he were a Fan of Salma Hayek.

She has a calming effect on men that are troubled.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-26   9:56:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The comments coming from so many on all the forums on the internet sure do lend insight to the whys and wherefores of this country's status.

So many attack when opinions differ, yet few offer up anything worth considering for solving today's problems. Insults and name calling come fast and furious, but too few have, can or will hold rational discussions.

There is so much to be learned from history as well as from the views and opinions of those we share space with on this earth. There is little to be gained from challenging the rights of others to differ.

Rational and respectful discussion can bring not only enlightening knowledge, but acceptable compromise. Irrational and disrespectful communication not only encourages silence, but also limits ideas, views and suggestions that could well lead to excellent solutions, not just mediocre attempts at "putting out fires".

I hope the day comes when the majority of people on this world show respect to others.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-09-26   10:45:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I hope the day comes when the majority of people on this world show respect to others.

How to phrase this question for Cynicom without rankling him by using the word "you"...I'm gonna venture going with this: Is Kissinger an alumni of the Cynicom Class of Civility?

Henry Kissinger Says Luke Rudkowski Is A Sick Person for Questioning Him on NSM 200

video

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-26   11:38:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Henry...

I recall in real time the appearance of this evil person.

Henry like von Mises, Hayeks and others were the offspring of the Rockefeller money.

Henry was a nobody,enlisted person in the military, suspected Russian spy with the code name of Bor. He was a nobody, going nowhere until Nelson Rockefeller bought and paid for him.

When Henry was turned loose into the political arena, Rockefeller gave him $50,000 cash to tide him over until a "position" was found for him.

Anyone that read his """best seller""""" Nuclear weapons and Foreign Policy"""" knew he was another Ayn Rand in the making.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-26   11:55:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

suspected Russian spy with the code name of Bor.

That says something treasonous about G.W. Bush's selection of Kissinger to commandeer the 9/11 Commission.

9-11 Commission - Wikipedia

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, also known as the 9/11 Commission, was set up on November 27, 2002, "to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11 attacks", including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks.

[sic]

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States was established on November 27, 2002, by President George W. Bush and the United States Congress, with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger initially appointed to head the commission.[2] However, Kissinger resigned only weeks after being appointed, because he would have been obliged to disclose the clients of his private consulting business.[3]

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-26   12:23:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Grey...

If you have time to waste, read Kissingers book. I read it when very young and came away with one thought in mind. What did he say and what in hell is he talking about.

Henry can babble on endlessly and say nothing.

Turtle reminded us of one of his bad habits, I seem to recall from somewhere in the past that Henry also had body odor.

I am gonna look up Salma Hayek and forget you and Fan even exist.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-26   12:40:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

and forget you and Fan even exist.

Is that so? Well then, just don't go forgetting that in reality holograms do exist.

John Lear - 9/11 & Strategic Perception Management

Until we meet again here...

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-26   15:32:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Lear mixes truth with fiction. Those impacts at the WTC most certainly weren't holograms, and to my knowledge, holograms appear transparent, not as solid objects.

It would be especially difficult if not impossible for a hologram to be visible in bright daylight from miles away, and then there's the matter of the impact damage itself.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-26   15:44:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

to my knowledge, holograms appear transparent, not as solid objects.

CNN Shows Off Hologram Technology - Presidential Election 2008

Uploaded by ArchangelSandalphon on Nov 4, 2008

Jessica Yellin shows up on CNN New York from Chigago in a hologram

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-26   15:49:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What can be done in a darkened TV studio is not the same as what can be done in daylit skies over Manhatten, visible from tens of miles away.

That and I doubt that CNN video was made without a bit of video enhancement, yet the image is still fuzzy on the edges and appears two dimensional.

But the primary factor is that the image is stationary, it is not moving across miles of sky, and if anything, it appears fake. In other words, I question whether it was just a video superimposition rather than a bonafide hologram.

IF it were real, the technology required to project a hologram in a stationary location within a darkened studio isn't super sophisticated compared to what would be required for a daylight projection in the skies of Manhatten moving at a speed identical to that of an airliner.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-26   16:29:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#100. To: FormerLurker (#97)

I know you dislike John Lear but give him a fair hearing through his History and Future of Television testimonial:

John Lear - Vanishing Planes & Holographs

Uploaded by graflok on May 29, 2008

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-26 17:16:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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