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Title: Pilots Analyze the Government Provided Radar Data of the Planes of 9-11
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Published: Sep 24, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-09-24 19:34:06 by tom007
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#67. To: FormerLurker (#52)
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It could have already been airborne with its transponder turned off. But transponder off wouldn't mean invisible until then, as you know. Thanks for correcting the link. Edited last sentence. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Grey... I refuse to write you off as a hopeless case. Open your mind, drop the personal negativity, there is a world of knowledge out there to be absorbed for free. Example...Ten years after the fact, someone has to educate you with what everyone else has long known. That is very telling and my last word until you open your mind, and LISTEN. Cyni...
In terms of primary radar, blips can be merged tranparently by a lower altitude plane climbing from below radar altitude, while maintaining the same geographical position as the other aircraft. A swap could be made by both aircraft flying side by side momentarily, then the original aircraft descends at such a rate and airspeed to match the position of the upper aircraft, till it is below radar altitude. It's probably one good reason why the FAA destroyed the statements of the controllers that day which may have included an observation that for a moment, the primary blip for Flight 77 and 175 got a little bigger. But then again, if the transponders hadn't been turned off yet, would they had even been tracking them on primary radar at that point? In reference to the destroyed FAA tape... F.A.A. Official Scrapped Tape of 9/11 Controllers' Statements The taping began before noon on Sept. 11 at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center, in Ronkonkoma, on Long Island, where about 16 people met in a basement conference room known as "the Bat Cave" and passed around a microphone, each recalling his or her version of the events a few hours earlier. But officials at the center never told higher-ups of the tape's existence, and it was later destroyed by an F.A.A. official described in the report as a quality-assurance manager there. That manager crushed the cassette in his hand, shredded the tape and dropped the pieces into different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department. I refuse to write you off as a hopeless case. Open your mind, drop the personal negativity, there is a world of knowledge out there to be absorbed for free. Example...Ten years after the fact, someone has to educate you with what everyone else has long known. That is very telling and my last word until you open your mind, and LISTEN. Cyni... I don't know what you're talking about. Sliney wasn't news to me. I reposted a link by me from last year with excerpts as evidence of that and for your perusal regarding your vague "peon" statement. Apparently, that abbreviated info was too much for you to absorb, like other research that conflicts much with the official and popular mantras. [Edit to add: You assessed it as "verbiage".] Perhaps you think that you should be exempt from studying the situation while directing others to do that -- Do as you say, not as you do. Drop your personal negativity. I could remove the word "baloney" at post #49 (in reply to your dismissive refusal of an explanatory reference at that point) and the issue of jeopardizing national security by misleading the public into conditioned mythos-acceptance of national security breaches at various levels would be the same. Evidently, you still have nothing to say about that other than to degrade my knowledge of this matter. Edited for hyphenation, punctuation and bracketed insert. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Good question. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
911Timeline.net - The Most Comprehensive Minute By Minute Timeline On 911 8) 7:59 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 11 a Boeing 767-223ER with a maximum capacity of 181 passengers and 23,980 gallons of fuel, lifts off from Logan International Airport in Boston, Massachusetts, bound for Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles, California. Take-off was scheduled for 7:45. I've learned the hard way that being at the airport to board by departure time wasn't early enough to be seated, due to the door being closed for pre-flight steps that had to be conducted prior to scheduled lift-off. Am wondering if the official story indicates that some sort of special boarding arrangement was made for the alleged hijackers. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I was taught civility, long ago. The first example drummed into my thick head was this: "Winston Churchill once said..."It costs me nothing to be civil to a man, even though I intend to hang him tomorrow". ON this forum, I am very often labeled as dumb, stupid, ignorant and those are the kind and generous ones. At times posters use language that describes what they really think. At the end of the day, I will have proven myself ignorant at best, but I did try to be civil doing it. Did not cost me a cent.
No knowledge of this. I do know years ago, people at the olde CAA had no protection from liability while doing their job as directed. Every word was taped, stamped, filed and stored. It finally took an act of Congress to relieve workers from liability. Anytime there was an event, lawyers descended like locusts, suing everyone in sight, the man at the bottom could end up penniless trying to protect himself. Once the government accepted the legal burden, the lawyers looked elsewhere for money.
Malarkey. What you tried to do here in your responses to me is exempt yourself from civility with an autocratic double standard equating any attempt to debate you as finger-pointing, rudeness, verbiage, gross verbiage, lack of self- enlightenment and intelligent discourse, negativity and so on. Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
And most of us find it salutary to actually practice important lessons we were taught. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who knows he's full of shit. He pulls out the "civility" canard when he's had his ass handed to him on a plate an can no longer defend his position. Then he runs away. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! This tactic is well described in "Compromised" by Terry Reed (I think) detailing how drug shipments were dropped into the US by Barry Seal et al. I asked an AF fighter pilot, my neighbor, if it would work, and he answered affirmative. Yeh that's what I do with unimportant tapes that I know nobody will ever be interested and deal with unimportant issues. Perhaps my civility classes would be beneficial????? People that do not function well in open society find such very helpful.
People that do not function well in open society find such very helpful. Because...they're not functioning well or they'd know better than to take a class in civility from you, Mr. Double Standards Autocrat? ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Fan would feel much better if he were a Fan of Salma Hayek. She has a calming effect on men that are troubled.
People that do not function well in open society find such very helpful. Cowards like to make see-through excuses and run away when they've been cornered instead of manning up and admitting they were wrong or admitting defeat or just outright saying that they no longer want to argue the issue. You fool no one. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! The comments coming from so many on all the forums on the internet sure do lend insight to the whys and wherefores of this country's status. So many attack when opinions differ, yet few offer up anything worth considering for solving today's problems. Insults and name calling come fast and furious, but too few have, can or will hold rational discussions. There is so much to be learned from history as well as from the views and opinions of those we share space with on this earth. There is little to be gained from challenging the rights of others to differ. Rational and respectful discussion can bring not only enlightening knowledge, but acceptable compromise. Irrational and disrespectful communication not only encourages silence, but also limits ideas, views and suggestions that could well lead to excellent solutions, not just mediocre attempts at "putting out fires". I hope the day comes when the majority of people on this world show respect to others.
Fan... If you do not have affinity for Salma Hayek, we can never be friends. Of course, if you are female, I could understand a dislike for Salma.
How to phrase this question for Cynicom without rankling him by using the word "you"...I'm gonna venture going with this: Is Kissinger an alumni of the Cynicom Class of Civility? Henry Kissinger Says Luke Rudkowski Is A Sick Person for Questioning Him on NSM 200 ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Henry... I recall in real time the appearance of this evil person. Henry like von Mises, Hayeks and others were the offspring of the Rockefeller money. Henry was a nobody,enlisted person in the military, suspected Russian spy with the code name of Bor. He was a nobody, going nowhere until Nelson Rockefeller bought and paid for him. When Henry was turned loose into the political arena, Rockefeller gave him $50,000 cash to tide him over until a "position" was found for him. Anyone that read his """best seller""""" Nuclear weapons and Foreign Policy"""" knew he was another Ayn Rand in the making.
There is a picture of Kissinger eating his own boogers. That's the least of his problems, the mass-murdering bastid. I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
I recall that also. A friend of mine referred to Henry as, "a dirty bag of money sitting in a chair". Like Rand, Henry could babble on for hours and say nothing. Another Rockefeller Jew lackey foisted upon the citizens of this country.
That says something treasonous about G.W. Bush's selection of Kissinger to commandeer the 9/11 Commission. 9-11 Commission - Wikipedia [sic] The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States was established on November 27, 2002, by President George W. Bush and the United States Congress, with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger initially appointed to head the commission.[2] However, Kissinger resigned only weeks after being appointed, because he would have been obliged to disclose the clients of his private consulting business.[3] ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Grey... If you have time to waste, read Kissingers book. I read it when very young and came away with one thought in mind. What did he say and what in hell is he talking about. Henry can babble on endlessly and say nothing. Turtle reminded us of one of his bad habits, I seem to recall from somewhere in the past that Henry also had body odor. I am gonna look up Salma Hayek and forget you and Fan even exist.
I can vouch for the truth of the Rockefeller/Kissinger relationship ... like "up close and personal"!!! Personal observation: Birds of a feather stick together ... and stink always follows stink!!!
Is that so? Well then, just don't go forgetting that in reality holograms do exist. John Lear - 9/11 & Strategic Perception Management Until we meet again here... ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Lear mixes truth with fiction. Those impacts at the WTC most certainly weren't holograms, and to my knowledge, holograms appear transparent, not as solid objects. It would be especially difficult if not impossible for a hologram to be visible in bright daylight from miles away, and then there's the matter of the impact damage itself. CNN Shows Off Hologram Technology - Presidential Election 2008 Uploaded by ArchangelSandalphon on Nov 4, 2008 Jessica Yellin shows up on CNN New York from Chigago in a hologram ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
What can be done in a darkened TV studio is not the same as what can be done in daylit skies over Manhatten, visible from tens of miles away. That and I doubt that CNN video was made without a bit of video enhancement, yet the image is still fuzzy on the edges and appears two dimensional. But the primary factor is that the image is stationary, it is not moving across miles of sky, and if anything, it appears fake. In other words, I question whether it was just a video superimposition rather than a bonafide hologram. IF it were real, the technology required to project a hologram in a stationary location within a darkened studio isn't super sophisticated compared to what would be required for a daylight projection in the skies of Manhatten moving at a speed identical to that of an airliner. One other thing GL, since when do you trust CNN to be giving you truthful information?
Since when don't you trust CNN/MSM video on 9/11 imagery issues? ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I know you dislike John Lear but give him a fair hearing through his History and Future of Television testimonial: John Lear - Vanishing Planes & Holographs Uploaded by graflok on May 29, 2008 ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Thing is, it wasn't just CNN which had live video from 9/11, it was all the other networks airing simultaneously, including international networks such as the BBC. Besides, for the reasons mentioned it is pretty much impossible that the flight of the aircraft could be faked with a hologram. It borders on science fiction, whereas the remote controlled plane theory isn't within that realm, it is actually quite possible and plausible. Cross-referencing Post #59 at 4um Title: Let US start a thread on WHO Did 911 Excerpts: EXERCISES INCLUDED MOCK TV NEWS REPORTS It is known that simulated television news reports had been used in training exercises before 9/11. For example, a two-day exercise was held at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, in June 2001, called "Dark Winter," based on the scenario of a smallpox attack on the United States. This exercise, according to New York magazine, included "simulated news clips from an imaginary cable news network called NCN." ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
And the Starship Enterprise could have just blasted away with its phasers. Thing is, a remote controlled missile (which the aircraft would have been) has a very damn good chance of hitting its target. For CGI to have faked EVERYTHING seen on network TV, ALL of the on scene reporters and camera crews would had to have been in on the grand conspiracy, ALL of the first responders who witnessed the 2nd impact would had to have been in on it, and ALL of the NYC inhabitants who witnessed the event would had to have been in on it. There is just WAY too much chance of something going wrong, where if people saw a blast without an aircraft striking the tower, it would have drawn INSTANT attention. Besides that, there would have been SOME video of that occuring, being that MANY people were recording the smoke coming from the North Tower by that point in time. That's besides the fact all of the news stations would have had to simultaneously blend CGI into live video, and had the explosives go off in the towers at the precise time to make it appear the CGI aircraft actually impacted the South Tower at the correct moment. Not only would thousands, if not tens of thousands of people been involved, the technical feasibilty of such a hoax is pretty farfetched. CGI is good these days, but not THAT good. There is no evidence of fakery in the live videos, although no planers HAVE faked their own later videos to "make their point". Why do you keep falling back with this science fantasy scenario GL? Aren't actual documented facts and scientific evidence enough to prove 9/11 was an inside job, carried out with the help of the Mossad? Besides GL, do you truly think that the news production teams, newscasters, reporters, and camera crews, along with firemen, police, and NYC inhabitants would have taken part in a false flag operation where thousands of people would have been killed?
I do think that some would willingly participate in such a flase flag op, that some might have believed they were participating in a Military excercise and could have been sworn to secrecy about it as a national security necessity, and that most were probably swept into the operation believing it was actually happening, similar to the War of the Worlds broadcast. You've probably seen CNN's staged newscast with Charles Jaco of the first war in Iraq. Syria is currently being similarly propagandized with fakery only worse. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
But in the post I replied to, you said remote control planes -- not missiles. The issue isn't about whether remote control missiles can hit their target. Surely they can with a high degree of accuracy but with more risk of error and discovery than CGI. I don't know which videos you're referring to as being faked by No Planers. Initially, there were about 40 videos that were in evidence and what's unusual is that there weren't many more if many people in the area were recording. I've spent a lot of time addressing your concerns and would like to hear your explanation for why there was little to no smoke damage at the WTC [Towers and Bldg. 7 too] as well as how WTC 1 was insignificantly impacted by flying projectiles when WTC 2 was demolished. No Planes research doesn't threaten investigations of 9/11 as an inside job carried out with the help of the Mossad, or controlled demolition determination. Edited for grammar and bracketed insert. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAgain.. if a switch took place with an aircraft departing [Stewart].. that aircraft would have to have incredible power in order to climb and intercept at cruising speed directly over or near Stewart.
#68. To: GreyLmist (#66)
#69. To: GreyLmist (#67)
But transponder off wouldn't mean invisible until then, as you know.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#70. To: GreyLmist, tom007, Cynicom, randge, All (#67)
WASHINGTON, May 6 — At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that same day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said in a report today.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#71. To: Cynicom (#68)
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Grey...
#72. To: FormerLurker (#69)
But then again, if the transponders hadn't been turned off yet, would they had even been tracking them on primary radar at that point?
#73. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#25)
PS: Flights 11 and 175 were 767's,
7) 7:45 a.m.: Mohammed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari board American Airlines Flight 11.
#74. To: tom007 (#58)
But that post was marvelous nonsense.
#75. To: FormerLurker (#70)
#76. To: Cynicom (#74)
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I did try to be civil doing it.
#77. To: Cynicom (#74)
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I was taught civility, long ago.
#78. To: GreyLmist, Cynicom (#76)
What you tried to do here in your responses to me is exempt yourself from civility with an autocratic double standard equating any attempt to debate you as finger-pointing, rudeness, verbiage, gross verbiage, lack of self- enlightenment and intelligent discourse, negativity and so on.
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
#79. To: FormerLurker (#69)
In terms of primary radar, blips can be merged tranparently by a lower altitude plane climbing from below radar altitude, while maintaining the same geographical position as the other aircraft. A swap could be made by both aircraft flying side by side momentarily, then the original aircraft descends at such a rate and airspeed to match the position of the upper aircraft, till it is below radar altitude.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#80. To: FormerLurker (#70)
But officials at the center never told higher-ups of the tape's existence, and it was later destroyed by an F.A.A. official described in the report as a quality-assurance manager there. That manager crushed the cassette in his hand, shredded the tape and dropped the pieces into different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#81. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#78)
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who knows he's full of shit. He pulls out the "civility" canard when he's had his ass handed to him on a plate an can no longer defend his position. Then he runs away.
#82. To: Cynicom, F.A. Hayek Fan (#81)
Perhaps my civility classes would be beneficial?????
#83. To: GreyLmist (#82)
Because...they're not functioning well or they'd know better than to take a class in civility from you, Mr. Double Standards Autocrat?
#84. To: Cynicom (#81)
Perhaps my civility classes would be beneficial?????
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
#85. To: Cynicom (#83)
#86. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, All (#84)
#87. To: Phant2000, Cynicom (#85)
I hope the day comes when the majority of people on this world show respect to others.
#88. To: GreyLmist, Phant2000 (#87)
#89. To: Cynicom (#88)
#90. To: Turtle (#89)
There is a picture of Kissinger eating his own boogers.
#91. To: Cynicom (#88)
suspected Russian spy with the code name of Bor.
The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, also known as the 9/11 Commission, was set up on November 27, 2002, "to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11 attacks", including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks.
#92. To: GreyLmist (#91)
#93. To: Cynicom, All (#88)
... Nelson Rockefeller bought and paid for him.
#94. To: Cynicom (#92)
and forget you and Fan even exist.
#95. To: GreyLmist (#94)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#96. To: FormerLurker, *9-11*, *No Planers* (#95)
to my knowledge, holograms appear transparent, not as solid objects.
#97. To: GreyLmist (#96)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#98. To: GreyLmist (#96)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#99. To: FormerLurker (#98)
One other thing GL, since when do you trust CNN to be giving you truthful information?
#100. To: FormerLurker (#97)
#101. To: GreyLmist (#99)
Since when don't you trust CNN/MSM video on 9/11 imagery issues?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#102. To: FormerLurker (#101)
Remote control could not ensure that a plane (civilian, military, or drone) wouldn't break apart outside of the buildings on impact (endangering people on the street, leaving contradictory evidence behind, and messing up the cover story for the destruction of the Towers) but CGI could.
#103. To: GreyLmist (#102)
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Remote control could not ensure that a plane (civilian, military, or drone) wouldn't break apart outside of the buildings on impact (endangering people on the street, leaving contradictory evidence behind, and messing up the cover story for the destruction of the Towers) but CGI could.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#104. To: GreyLmist (#102)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#105. To: FormerLurker (#104)
Besides GL, do you truly think that the news production teams, newscasters, reporters, and camera crews, along with firemen, police, and NYC inhabitants would have taken part in a false flag operation where thousands of people would have been killed?
#106. To: FormerLurker (#103)
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Thing is, a remote controlled missile (which the aircraft would have been) has a very damn good chance of hitting its target.
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