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Title: Pilots Analyze the Government Provided Radar Data of the Planes of 9-11
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Published: Sep 24, 2012
Author: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/911-inter
Post Date: 2012-09-24 19:34:06 by tom007
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#9. To: FormerLurker (#3)

Are you trying to say that it is 100% certain that the aircraft which struck the towers are the ones reported as being hijacked? If you bothered watching the video, you'd more than likely understand why and how that is highly unlikely.

Is there ever a time you are not setting someone up?

Are you 100% sure your not locked into a misguided thought loop of continual argument and repetition???

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-09-24   23:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FormerLurker (#8)

News reports from that day, along with FBI documents, indicate they did in fact exist.

However, there has never been any independent panel of "experts" that can "prove" the government is lying.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   5:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#4)

At the 10:14 mark: "At approximately 08:35, a call to scramble fighters is made by Boston Center directly to Cape Approach, trying to get in touch with Otis Air Force Base."

[sic]

Cape: "Cape TRACON."

BOS Center: "Yeah, hi, uh...Are you uh able to...are you able to talk to Otis on this line?"

Cape: "Um, I'm not sure..."

What? Cape TRACON is Otis. Even stranger is that an Air Traffic Controller at Boston Center tried to scramble fighter jets. That amounts to a huge breach of national security.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-25   5:24:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#10)

However, there has never been any independent panel of "experts" that can "prove" the government is lying.

Ever hear of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, or the producers of this video Pilots for 9/11 Truth?

The government story of the WTC collapse is physically impossible. The Israelis who were arrested on 9/11 with tons of explosives were released with charges.

How much more factual evidence is necessary? Would it take Sean Hannity to report that the government lied on 9/11 to make it so?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-25   9:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: titorite (#9)

It is becoming more obvious each passing day that you are not interested in 9/11 truth, you are here to attack those who try to speak about it.

Screw off shill.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-25   9:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: FormerLurker (#12)

How much more factual evidence is necessary? Would it take Sean Hannity to report that the government lied on 9/11 to make it so?

This is what I spoke of...

"What do you make of that van on the George Washington Bridge pulled over on 9/11 after the attacks, you know, the one that was filled with tons of explosives and driven by Israelis?"

I would like to see a panel of experts or anyone to revisit that.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   9:36:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: FormerLurker (#12)

Would it take Sean Hannity to report that the government lied on 9/11 to make it so?

Snarky, but funny.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2012-09-25   9:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: tom007 (#15)

In my opinion, Fox is the paid opposition, so their take, slant or spin is always suspect.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   10:15:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#14)

I would like to see a panel of experts or anyone to revisit that.

All matters pertaining to Israeli involvement in 9/11 is classified.

Here's an interesting video you might want to watch.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-25   10:43:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: FormerLurker (#4)

Thanks FL.There's a lot of material there. I thought the salient fact was that one of the jets performance perimeters were entirely consistent with a 757 until shortly after it passed over a military base, then it's performance became impossible for a 757 to perform. The "Magic Airplane" of our time, it would seem.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2012-09-25   10:49:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#14)

And here's a few more...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-25   10:49:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: FormerLurker (#17)

All matters pertaining to Israeli involvement in 9/11 is classified.

The dog that didn't bark.

Tells ya all ya need to know.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2012-09-25   10:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: tom007 (#20)

I wonder how many other people would have gotten away with being caught with tons of explosives in a van on the George Washington Bridge on 9/11, or would have gotten away with blowing up a truck on King St. NYC that morning...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-25   10:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#14)

I would like to see a panel of experts or anyone to revisit that.

Who needs a panel of experts when you got the cops on their radio?

Now you can empanel a jury of pointy heads, Cyni. ; ]

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-09-25   10:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: FormerLurker (#17)

Remember it all far too well.

Makes me sick.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   10:57:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#10)

it's been proven to me! so has the fact that the government lied about Kennedy's assassination in the Warren Commission Report.

christine  posted on  2012-09-25   10:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: tom007 (#18)

I thought the salient fact was that one of the jets performance perimeters were entirely consistent with a 757 until shortly after it passed over a military base

Might it be Stewart AFB?

9/11 Flight Paths & Stewart Air Base

PS: Flights 11 and 175 were 767's, not 757's. It was Flight 77 which allegedly struck the Pentagon which was a 757.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-25   11:13:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#23)

Makes me sick.

Here's some further info.

The "Dancing Israelis" FBI Report - Debunked


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-25   11:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine (#24)

it's been proven to me!

There was tad of tongue in cheek there.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   11:56:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: randge (#22)

Having been involved with lesser events with the government and military, over many years, I can safely say that, things get screwed up, people misspeak, misunderstand, and it takes great effort to untangle things.

Recall that no one of responsibility ever stood up and called a halt to the madness. It was a lowly FAA person that finally took the bull by the horns and ordered everyone down until it could be sorted out.

Cheney and Bush did nothing,none of their boot lickers did anything, the world was gone mad.

A peon stepped up, called a halt to everything. The VP was as useless as tits on a rain barrel and Bush was hiding in Louisiana.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   12:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom, tom007, christine, All (#23)

And here's a full blown expose. The video is rather long, but well worth the time.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-25   12:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom (#27)

ahhhh ;)

christine  posted on  2012-09-25   12:45:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#28)

The VP was as useless as tits on a rain barrel and Bush was hiding in Louisiana.

Bush was hiding in Louisiana. That's for sure.

But the VP was useful to someone that morning.

Do you remember "Do the orders still stand Mr. Vice President?"

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-09-25   12:51:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: FormerLurker (#4)

What an excellent report on this MIHOP event.

Thanks much.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-09-25   13:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: FormerLurker (#21)

I wonder how many other people would have gotten away with being caught with tons of explosives in a van on the George Washington Bridge on 9/11, or would have gotten away with blowing up a truck on King St. NYC that morning...

You bet = if they were a gang of Navajos they all would have been executed NOT released before an investigation into the event started.

What a farce 9-11 has become.

The government has abdicated it's contract with the governed.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2012-09-25   13:22:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: tom007 (#33)

More like they blew up (just like the towers) the imaginary contract with us.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-09-25   13:30:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: randge (#31)

Do you remember "Do the orders still stand Mr. Vice President?"

Yes I do.

After I retired, a friend of mine was very near the top of FAA in Washington. From him working in the FAA control center as boss, I had a good background as to what could or could not have happened.

He was as anti government as me and never entertained yes men, boot lickers or government toadies.

So when some suggest that FAA people were in on it, I would gamble my life they were not. It would probably astound some as to how many employees despise the government. There were but two employers of such professionals, military and government. Not much choice.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   13:32:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#30)

See #35.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   13:34:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Cynicom (#10) (Edited)

However, there has never been any independent panel of "experts" that can "prove" the government is lying.

The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies

In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11;, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue...

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth.

9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again."

9/11 Commissioners say "Official Story" a Lie

9/11 COMMISSIONERS

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”.

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).

Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history.

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.

9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had - in a way - conflicts of interest“.

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

However, there has never been any independent panel of "experts" that can "prove" the government is lying.

9/11 Commission Report: The Most Ridiculous Conspiracy Theory Of All Time

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During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-09-25   13:56:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: tom007, *9-11* (#18)

Concerning Stewart AFB and Flights 11 and 175 passing over it simultaneously...

Well here's something interesting about the "push for privatization of the WTC and Stewart AFB"...

From Mossad - The Israeli Connection To 911

The IDC, a private, non-profit university, is closely tied to the Mossad. The IDC has a "research institute" headed by Shabtai Shavit, former head of the Mossad from 1989 to 1996, called the International Policy Institute for Counter- Terrorism.

The IDC also has a "Marc Rich Center for the Study of Commodities, Trading and Financial Markets" and a "Lauder School of Government, Diplomacy and Strategy." The cosmetics magnate Ronald S. Lauder, who is a supporter of Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his far-right Likud Party, founded the Lauder school.

Lauder, president of the Jewish National Fund and former chairman of New York Governor George Pataki's Commission on Privatization, is the key individual who pushed the privatization of the WTC and former Stewart AFB, where the flight paths of the two planes that hit the twin towers oddly converged. Ronald Lauder played a significant, albeit unreported, role in the preparation for 9/11.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-25   16:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: All (#38)

More on Lauder...

From 9/11:Israel did it

Ronald Lauder - Billionaire Estée Lauder Cosmetics magnate. He was the chairman of NY Governor George Pataki's commission on privatization. He is the key individual who lobbied for the privatization of the WTC [12] -- but he was also instrumental in the successful privatisation of the former Stewart Air Force Base. Oddly, the flight paths of flight 175 and flight 11 converged directly over this airport. Map

Lauder is active in the following organizations:

Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations
Jewish National Fund
World Jewish Congress
American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee
Anti-Defamation League
Jewish Theological Seminary.

Lauder was elected president of the World Jewish Congress on 10 June, 2007.

Lauder founded a school for the Mossad in Herzliya, Israel called the Lauder School of Government Diplomacy and Strategy. He is arguably the key Sayan in the preparation of 9/11.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-09-25   16:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: FormerLurker, tom007 (#25)

tom007: I thought the salient fact was that one of the jets performance perimeters were entirely consistent with a 757 until shortly after it passed over a military base

FL: Might it be Stewart AFB?

9/11 Flight Paths & Stewart Air Base

That link doesn't work.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-25   18:02:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Cynicom (#28)

Having been involved with lesser events with the government and military, over many years, I can safely say that, things get screwed up, people misspeak, misunderstand, and it takes great effort to untangle things.

Recall that no one of responsibility ever stood up and called a halt to the madness. It was a lowly FAA person that finally took the bull by the horns and ordered everyone down until it could be sorted out.

Cheney and Bush did nothing,none of their boot lickers did anything, the world was gone mad.

A peon stepped up, called a halt to everything.

What? Where did you get the impression that an FAA person ordered SCATANA implemented rather than the Military?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-25   18:14:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: randge (#31)

Bush was hiding in Louisiana. That's for sure.

But the VP was useful to someone that morning.

Do you remember "Do the orders still stand Mr. Vice President?"

Useful for confusing the public into thinking that as VP he had authority to issue Defense orders but he didn't.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-25   18:20:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: FormerLurker (#21) (Edited)

I wonder how many other people would have gotten away with being caught with tons of explosives in a van on the George Washington Bridge on 9/11, or would have gotten away with blowing up a truck on King St. NYC that morning...

Three Comments at Why Were U.S. Intelligence Facilities in an 'Information Void' During the 9-11 Attacks:

1. *all* of the van bombers were *Israelis*.... not a single Arab or Muslim there. Hence the silence.

2. Perhaps by getting "caught" up front and then being summarily dismissed it would end any kind of speculation or investigation of whoever this faction is. You know how people say: "if their was a story there the press would do anything to go after it." So if the topic came up people would think: "oh, they looked into that early on and there was nothing there, otherwise why would they just let those people go."

3. FYI about murals on vans: I had a job in the automotive industry for a while. A friend with a fine arts degree from a top university was making good money painting murals on vans but the work dried up. I asked him why and he said that insurance companies won't cover expensive artwork on vans anymore. Just a little factoid: so you would have to be pretty motivated to put any artwork on a van, depending on how detailed it is.

Edited numbering sequence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-25   18:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: GreyLmist (#43)

Guessing that the very least of the mossad's worries was the cost of the murals on the van.

(It was probably self-insured anyway.)

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-09-25   18:48:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Lod (#44)

Guessing that the very least of the mossad's worries was the cost of the murals on the van.

(It was probably self-insured anyway.)

It's almost like they wanted to get caught -- in-line with the 2nd comment:

Perhaps by getting "caught" up front and then being summarily dismissed it would end any kind of speculation or investigation of whoever this faction is. You know how people say: "if their was a story there the press would do anything to go after it." So if the topic came up people would think: "oh, they looked into that early on and there was nothing there, otherwise why would they just let those people go."

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-25   19:04:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: All (#40) (Edited)

Stewart Air Force Base [My note: Home of the 105th Airlift Wing, New York Air National Guard]

Stewart Air Force Base: 1940s, Orange County, Newburgh. Stewart International Airport is located almost entirely in the Town of New Windsor, Orange County, New York. The "Stewart Newburgh" designation used by the airlines is that the Stewart family gave the land to the City of Newburgh for a city airport in the 1930's. Stewart is named after Capt. Lachlan Stewart, who skippered schooners and other sailing vessels about 1850-1870. During World War II the City of Newburgh turned the airport over to the United States Government for the purposes of training West Point cadets to fly. The field grew and at the end of World War II it became Stewart Air Force Base. Stewart was used for North American Air Defense (Headquarters US Army Air Defense Command Region I) until 1972, when the Air Force determined that the base was excess, and deeded Stewart Air Force Base to the State of New York. See also SAGE for information on Air Defense Control Center, control for Suffolk BOMARCs. Now Stewart Army Sub Post of West Point, Stewart International Airport, and the New York Air National Guard has the largest C-5 Unit at Stewart. The Marine Corps also maintains a wing of C-130 aircraft at Stewart. The two military organizations occupy brand new state of the art military facilites. Stewart International Airport has 15,000 ft runway, the longest on the eastern seaboard.

Excerpts from Pilots For 9-11 Truth Forum > Stewart Afb

"At the end of the 20th century it became the first U.S. commercial airport to be privatized when United Kingdom-based National Express Group was awarded a 99-year lease on the airport."

Another Source Says:

"Stewart International Airport is the nation's first privatized commercial airport and operates under a 99-year lease agreement with the New York State Department of Transportation. National Express Group operates Stewart International Airport and is the United State's subsidiary of the National Express Group, PLC, in the United Kingdom."

Comment at the site: Who said another aircraft took off from Stewart? Again.. if a switch took place with an aircraft departing [Stewart].. that aircraft would have to have incredible power in order to climb and intercept at cruising speed directly over or near Stewart.

Unanswered Comment at the site: Something just occurred to me. Wasn't the pilot of Flight 175 asked to look to see if he could sight Flight 11? From what I remember, it was within the next few minutes that Flight 175 was "hijacked". Hmmmmm. Could there be something to that?

Edited for spelling at the bracketed insert of first Comment.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-09-25   19:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: GreyLmist (#41)

Where did you get the impression that an FAA person ordered SCATANA implemented rather than the Military?

Careful now, that YOU finger pointing is not nice.

Not a clue young man. Mental or written notes to satisfy others, would clutter up my mind.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   19:22:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: GreyLmist, Phant2000, All (#41)

After this young man, before pointing negative fingers, do a check on the subject.

Here is the mans name and the story.

ANYONE THAT HAD ANY INTEREST IN 911 SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS GENTLEMAN FROM DAY ONE, NOT YEARS LATER.

"Man who grounded 4,000 planes on 9/11 was on first day of his job

As terrorists seized control of four airplanes on Sept. 11th, 2001, Ben Sliney, chief of air-traffic-control operations at the FAA's command center in Herndon, Va., gave the unprecedented order to ground 4,000-plus planes across the nation and redirect any in the sky to the nearest airport. It was his first day on the job.

On Sept. 11th, 2001, terrorists hijacked four American commercial jets with the intention of crashing them into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, and the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C. The terrorists were successful in three of their four targets with the fourth plane's assault on the Capitol building was thwarted by heroic passengers on board. While we now know no other planes were hijacked, at the time, each of the 4,000-plus flights in American air space were potential risks.

But due to Ben Sliney, the Federal Aviation Administration's National Operations Manager on duty that fateful morning, possible harm, at least by the thinking at the time, was averted. Sliney made the gutsy — and completely unprecedented — call to ground every single commercial airplane in the country.

Man who grounded 4,000 planes on 9/11 was on first day of his jobWhat makes the call — which, without direct order from the President and the bureaucracy above him, was his and his alone to make — all the more gutsy is that Sept. 11th, 2001, was Ben Sliney's first day on the job as an FAA National Operations Manager.

Although that's not to say Sliney was some neophyte making a cowboy-like call. He had 25 years of experience in air traffic control as part of FAA management, including a leadership position at New York TRACON, which has responsibility over all air traffic for New York City's three major airports and the smaller, regional airports in the New York City area. But the decision to ground the planes — that was entirely Sliney's.

In fact, it's such a great story that when Universal Pictures decided to turn the heroism of the passengers of United Flight 93 into a movie, they not only didn't overlook Sliney's role — they asked him to play himself in the movie. Which he did.

Sliney's decision is a great testament to the belief that doing the right thing sometimes requires a risky choice. Sliney made the right one."

Cyni...

Cynicom  posted on  2012-09-25   19:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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