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Title: Smoke and Mirrors videos-controversy topic
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URL Source: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/reada ... gi?ArtNum=149329&Disp=671#C671
Published: Sep 29, 2012
Author: Me and various
Post Date: 2012-09-29 01:19:12 by GreyLmist
Keywords: 9/11, NIST, PBS, CBS
Views: 2060
Comments: 94
Relevant info on this topic is accessible through posts #586 and #671 linked below: 4um Title: How 9-11 Was Done Post #671 -- WETA/PBS addendum info Poster Comment: Tangential discussion starting point [#103] at 4um Title: Pilots Analyze the Government Provided Radar Data of the Planes of 9-11, if needed for referencing here.Post #586 -- videos, links, and details
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#9. To: All, *9-11*, *No Planers* (#0)
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This is an addendum for references on an additional documentary circa 2003 (Ref. web.archive.org: 911conspiracy.tv - 2nd WTC Attack Videos - CBS3: "The Center of the World - New York: A Documentary Film" | PBS, Lisa Ades, Ric Burns, and David Ogden Stiers, narrator) that is said to be the origin of the now unavailable Detroit Public TV documentary footage (referenced at the start of the Smoke and Mirrors long- version video with the Detroit Public TV logo and also in the 8-sec. US Department of Commerce/NIST video with the WETA logo for Washington D.C. PBS; Ref. Posts #586 and #671). In comparison to the Smoke and Mirrors (long version) PBS footage: All of the original CBS news footage that I've viewed up to this point of the Empire State Building angle likewise shows the plane image as if it appears out of nowhere to the right of the Empire State Building or from behind it, depending on which broadcast segments are being reported/discussed. Also, in all of the available PBS video-clip examples that I've noted above, the screen jumps as if spliced like the Smoke and Mirrors segment does. Neither of these issues (the appearance of the plane image as if out of nowhere and the screen jump as if spliced) should be attributed to tampering by whomever authored the Smoke and Mirrors analysis videos at the terrorize.dk site or to Elpiper who posted them at YouTube in May and June of 2008 because they are evidenced in MSM CBS and PBS film of 9/11. The color darkening seen more in the Smoke and Mirrors short-version is similar to an MSM Chopper view that I'll try to relocate and post as an example. The copied smoke alteration is debateable as to how and from what source that happened and there could be some interpretive problems with the wording of the comments in the video analyses. It is still my impression as of now, though, from what I can recall of much earlier discussions about this video topic, that the coloration and smoke copying was for dramatic effect by the Media to promote the Iraq war. At watchdocumentary.com: The biggest source of free documentaries to watch online Segment 4 at 1:17 YouTube Playlist by me of the documentary: PBS, New York - 8 Center Of The World -- 7 videos, duration 1:30:50, go to 1:17 of video #4 for comparisons with the other footage in question. Description excerpts: The documentary is divided into eight parts: * Episode One: The Country and the City (1609--1825) * Episode Two: Order and Disorder (1825--1865) * Episode Three: Sunshine and Shadow (1865--1898) * Episode Four: The Power and the People (1898--1918) * Episode Five: Cosmopolis (1919--1931) * Episode Six: City of Tomorrow (1929--1941) * Episode Seven: The City and the World (1945--2000) * Episode Eight: The Center of the World (1946--2003) Additional References: Film Credits . New York The Center of the World . WGBH American Experience - PBS freerepublic.com: PBS TV -- The Center of the World (a WTC history) Edit to insert a PBS notation in paragraph 2.
One more thing GL. Being that apparently the "Smoke and Mirrors" video is the "best" evidence you can drag off the net in terms of supporting your theory, it should be clear that your theory doesn't hold water. It's obvious to me that this video is quite important to you, since if it wasn't you'd move on to better things to research and investigate. Being that at least I know that this video is a complete fraud, you're never going to convince me of what you're peddling, although I'm sure you'll be tap dancing all over the forum trying to convince others that it's bonafide evidence. Yep, it's bonafide evidence alright. Evidence that someone released a doctored video to PBS stations for broadcast, and then others either out of malice or ignorance decided that it's "evidence" of the "no planes" theory. Since the author of the "Smoke and Mirrors" video claims expertise, and he even includes the source CBS footage in his extended video, it's apparent that he's not doing it out of ignorance.
I would like to move on now to better things to research and investigate. This is a link set for 10:24 of video #3 in the Playlist linked above for the PBS documentary: PBS, New York - 8 Center Of The World (3/7). Set the video below to that mark too. Any comment on the very oddly shaped plane image shown in that PBS doc clip at 10:24? Edited sentence 1.
Oops. MD-90??
MD-90?? A McDonnell Douglas MD-90...yes, it does look like that and Delta Airlines is associated with those aircraft. It's almost like the "Center of the World" PBS documentary was confused about which Flight was said to have hit there and thought maybe it was the Delta 1989 suspected hijack. Can't imagine why they would have used that fake insert for a supposed "dramatization", what with all of the dramatic MSM imagery of alleged United Airlines and American Airlines plane strikes at the WTC that day.
Perhaps it's to get people such as yourself all worked up over it, causing you to bring it up on the net as some sort of proof of your "no planes" theory in order to cause further discord in the 9/11 Truth community, and to discredit anyone who speaks out against the official legend and presents real bonafide evidence by associating those people with "no planers".
While the it seems that the Smoke and Mirrors video is compromised as evidence, and while I find the no plane hypothesis hard to digest, I continue to be disconcerted by the images in the video that show WTC swallowing FLT 175 whole like a shark snapping up a guppy. Above is a shot of the exterior steel columns being built during construction of the Twin Towers. It's hard to believe that we're seeing was what was recorded in multiple video records of the event. It's just a freakin' tragedy that we've never had a real independent national investigation of what ocurred that day, and that we have so many loose ends to tie together. The more I see, the less things make sense.
I know how that feels.... after over 10,000 hours of viewing the same damn footage over and over and over ... I know EXACTLY how you feel.... The plane melting into the building... that don't make sense, the spire evaporating , that does not make sense, the multiple approach angles make about as much sense as all the cell phone calls from planes that day.....should not of been possible, ,,,, was not possible. TO say nothing of the lack of plane evidence at the pentagon and shanksville. After years and years of research into this... and you can see some of that here on 4um if you search my older postings, after years of research I had to apply Sherlock Holms theory to it and accept what I was left with after I eliminated every other reason for every other inconsistency.... I applied cold logic and I was able to accept the conclusion. Some people can not accept the idea of the US attacking itself.... Some folks think everyone here is a crack pot lair bent on destroying the country with conspiracy. Lots of silly people in the world.
#59. To: titorite, randge (#58)
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If you had done so, you would have quickly realized how impossible the "no planes" theory is. You still haven't explained what YOU think happened that day, nor HOW it was done. And just to reiterate what I've said, the 9/11 attacks certainly weren't perpetrated by 19 angry arabs, some of whom are still alive. It was most likely a joint US/Israeli/British covert operation, designed for maximum effect and benefiting a "chosen" few. But that doesn't mean the entire city of New York was in on it, nor all of the television networks, office workers at the towers, firemen, police, reporters and camera crews, flight controllers, airlines, airports, and everyone else who'd have to be involved in a "no planes" scenario. If you could think logically you'd understand that.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestNew York: A Documentary Film - Episode 08: The Center of the World (1946–2003)
New York: A Documentary Film is an eight-part, 17½ hour, American documentary film on the history of New York City. It was directed by Ric Burns and originally aired in the U.S. on PBS. The film was a co-production of Thirteen New York and WGBH Boston.
#16. To: GreyLmist (#9)
#19. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#16)
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It's obvious to me that this video is quite important to you, since if it wasn't you'd move on to better things to research and investigate.
#23. To: GreyLmist (#19)
#49. To: randge, All, *9-11*, *No Planers* (#23)
Oops.
#54. To: GreyLmist, randge (#49)
Can't imagine why they would have used that fake insert for a supposed "dramatization", what with all of the dramatic MSM imagery of alleged United Airlines and American Airlines plane strikes at the WTC that day.
#56. To: FormerLurker, GreyLmist (#54)
#58. To: randge (#56)
The more I see, the less things make sense.
Replies to Comment # 58. I applied cold logic and I was able to accept the conclusion.
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