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Title: NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
Source: Prison Planet Forum
URL Source: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=945.50;wap2
Published: Aug 1, 2008
Author: Morgan Rose
Post Date: 2012-10-06 10:54:21 by FormerLurker
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COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing movements. These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted movement.

Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur operations. Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”.

While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements . See a problem here?

Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects, academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others.

Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501 (c) 3, or “nonprofit” status, However, recent investigations conducted by concerned donors have uncovered that her “foundation” does not retain “nonprofit” status with the IRS. In fact, more rigorous inquires have obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants. “Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple complaints with the FTC and IRS.

Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League, Citigroup, and The National Security Council. 3BDigital boasts to have partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defense contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own theories.

The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations of COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified. WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD.

Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods. Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”.

So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors, major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane” pseudo-movement?

The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas, before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been fully exposed: the pyschological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel. Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly begs the question: does it get any more transparent? Subscribe to *9-11*

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it tampered with the reality of an actual event it was depicting in a news show

The footage wasn't tampered with till years later, and the source of the tampering hasn't yet been determined, but it first showed up on PBS documentaries of the event.

Perhaps it was done to get folks like you all riled up over it, feeding into this "no planes" absurdity in order to through gasoline into the fire, and muddy the waters in terms of 9/11 research.

A reasonable person would not overlook that rather strong possibility.

You've confused the quote you cited above with the Smoke and Mirrors topic on 9/11 CBS footage altered by PBS for 2003 documentaries. What you cited above is from this link and info below at Post #78 on the PVI L-VIS computer topic there; which I think I'll subtitle here as: PVI L-VIS arrives at the GM Building. I'll highlight the quote you cited so that you can find it easier and also some related Israeli info, which you claim to have a particular interest in -- unless it's me and not you or your faction who has posted the Israeli info, apparently, but here it is again anyway:

911 was a PVI VIRTUAL PLANE GRAPHIC ANIMATION

The system CBS used was developed by a United States company called Princeton Video Images (PVI). Other players in this field include Symah Vision - part of French defence to media group Lagadere; Israel-based Orad Hi Tech Systems, and SciDex, another Israeli firm with offices in Europe and the US. Each system, while similar, has its differences. None of the companies will publicly discuss how their's works. But the principle is common: each alters the live video image in the split second before it is broadcast. "There is great potential to use virtual imaging in other ways but it remains a tool whose biggest advantage is for live broadcasting," Madge says. "There are obvious advantages in virtual studios as you don't need a physical set, just a blue screen against which the presenter is shot and a three-D computer model. You can change it over very quickly - there's no need to shift scenery.

"There is great potential to use virtual imaging in other ways but it remains a tool whose biggest advantage is for live broadcasting," Madge says. "There are obvious advantages in virtual studios as you don't need a physical set, just a blue screen against which the presenter is shot and a three-D computer model. You can change it over very quickly - there's no need to shift scenery.

CBS's problems arise from the fact that its use of the PVI system went one step further than "enhancing" the look of its presentation: it tampered with the reality of an actual event it was depicting in a news show, raising the spectre of TV news reporters reporting "live" from around the world when they're actually far closer to home. The broadcaster - which has also used virtual imaging to modify the New York cityscape - defended itself by insisting: 'CBS News' internal standards prohibit digital manipulation or other faking of news footage."

However, a CBS spokeswoman admitted that virtual insertion technology is yet to be covered by the broadcaster's guidelines. But Dan Rather, for one, thinks it should be. "At the very least we should have pointed out to viewers we were doing it,'' he told the New York Times. "I did not grasp the possible ethical implications of this and that was wrong on my part.''

CBS is not the only broadcaster to use this technology in news broadcasts. Rival ABC recently included a report on Congress by a reporter wearing an overcoat in front of what to viewers seemed to be the US Capitol. The entire report was taped in a studio.

Edited for rewording of 1st paragraph, excerpt insert and to add that the CBS tampering noted was reported in 2000. Much more such interesting info on the PVI L-VIS subject at that link.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-12   12:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the CBS tampering noted was reported in 2000

Without going into the rest of your post, are you trying to say that the actual footage from 2001 was tampered with one year BEFORE the event?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-12   13:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your detours around issues like the Art Students in- residence at the WTC within the strikezone

Do you have any evidence that they were in the "strikezone" rather than somewhere else, say for instance on floors which were UNDER the strikezone?

In fact, do you have any evidence that they were there at all?

I think you're implying that they rigged the impact hole to explode, is that correct? Well genius, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but the ENTRANCE HOLE could NOT be faked with an internal explosion, it would have had to been done with an EXTERNAL explosion in order for the blast to push the exterior wall INWARDS rather than OUTWARDS.

All of your questions and issues have already been addressed in earlier posts on the Art Students in-residence at the WTC with links which you can go back and check through or you could do your own research. Google: Lower Manhattan Cultural Council (LMCC) at Wikipedia. The New York Times article on the Gelitin group suspects was called Balcony Scene (Or Unseen) Atop the World. That should get you started. If you need further assistance, much of the info was posted starting at #16 in the thread: Killers of Americans run Romney campaign, US courts and media ‘Rabbi Dov Zakheim, who was the Pentagon comptroller at the time of the 9/11 attacks, is now top foreign policy advisor to US presidential contender Mitt Romney.’ Hope you catch up soon.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-12   13:51:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What is a problem is What wreckage (what little of it there was) was found and where. What is a problem is PBS showing off the wrong planes as the ones alleged to hit the towers.

Every flaw, Every inconsistancy... every failure on there part.. of which their are legion... but they did not have to make it work forever.... they only needed to fool everyone for a short amount of time.... God Help us.

That is not proof of a holographic projection system. It is evidence that suggests the images were played with but NOT WHY. It is certainly suspicious (and I trust the Propaganda Broadcasting Service about as far as I can throw the twin towers) but is not proof supporting anything more than that the images were manipulated. It could just as easily be because the projectiles/planes that were used for the distraction and shock value were other than as represented, but not that there were NO planes. It is ambiguous without additional verifiable information.

I also agree, to a limited extent, that it did not have to work forever. However, when you control the media the only place for the information to get out is through other venues such as the Internet. Effectively the media are the arbiters of reality. That it is a created and false reality is almost irrelevent so far as public "Perception Management" is concerned. The official unreality is the only reality allowed on the airwaves without being disparaged or completely censored out. As a result a large percentage of the Sheeple either believe the official conspiracy theory or are afraid to face ridicule by admitting that they don't.

IF the TV shows it over and over and over that does not make it true.

No it doesn't. However, as Goebbels and Hitler proved you can repeat a big lie over and over and over and a certain large percentage of the weak minded herd will accept it. My point is that it does not have to be true to get enough of the Sheeple to Baaaa with the chorus.

I mean it's like the jews who swear to god xyclone B is at awshuwitz in the walls and showers and such... but science can't prove it... someone or something is lying... it aint science.

Again, relying on basic logic, "If two datums are mutually contradictory the first thing we can conclude is that ONE or BOTH are false.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-10-12   13:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the CBS tampering noted was reported in 2000

Without going into the rest of your post, are you trying to say that the actual footage from 2001 was tampered with one year BEFORE the event?

No, that is not what the info said. Go back to Post #94 and reread it or, better yet, go to the linked site there which has more explanatory details than the short excerpts I posted.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-12   14:05:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Graphic thechnology isn't a synonym for holographic technology

True, but a certain unknown percentage of "No Planes" people assert that the planes and associated fireworks were all holograms. As well, as I pointed out above, evidence that the broadcast images were manipulated proves nothing more than that the broadcast images were manipulated. It does not tell us WHY and to what end they were manipulated, and it cuts both ways as I have read that some video experts who have looked at the "No Planes" videos have in turn pronounced them to have been manipulated.

However, my basic point stands - it is irrelevant and therefore a Red Herring. The evidence of Nano-thermites and the video of the buildings visibly being eroded by some unknown agency are much more compelling as evidence. Therefore I infer that the "No Planes" is a planted disinformational diversion to keep people chasing their tails over irrelevencies.

As for my motivations it is simple - I dislike disinformation and Red Herrings as they are both diversions and alterations of the truth.

As far as I'm concerned you might as well assert that the impacts were "Flying Trains" or "Pink Elephants". So far as getting at the truth of matters it is largely a moot point that inspires endless haggling over irrelevant points. You can believe in the fuzz in your Belly Button if you want. However, that also is not relevant to establishing the "Best Evidence". Nano-Thermite residue is solid quantifiable, replicable evidence. The observed phenomena of a pancake collapse accompanied by squibs (and first hand testimony to explosions preceding the plane impacts) IS hard evidence.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-10-12   14:11:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Check out how many pug threads there are.

Check how many were created by someone other than Turdle.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-10-12   14:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What it comes down to GL is that the entrance holes could NOT have been faked with interior explosives. So that means the entrance holes were caused by planes, lacking any other exterior force to cause penetration damage.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-12   14:13:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As well, as I pointed out above, evidence that the broadcast images were manipulated proves nothing more than that the broadcast images were manipulated.

I also like to make the distinction between original live footage from the day of 9/11/2001, to that which had been broadcast years after the event.

The PBS documentaries contain doctored footage, whereas original live footage from that morning does not show any signs of doctoring whatsoever.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-12   14:18:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What it comes down to GL is that the entrance holes could NOT have been faked with interior explosives. So that means the entrance holes were caused by planes, lacking any other exterior force to cause penetration damage.

I'm not a demolitions expert, FL, but that aspect was already addressed in the thread I cited at Post #16.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-12   14:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not a demolitions expert, FL, but that aspect was already addressed in the thread I cited at Post #16.

Uh no, that post does not address how an interior explosion could cause an entrance hole. With EXTERIOR explosives, a hole emulating impact penetration COULD be done, however, there is simply no way for a INTERIOR explosion to cause damage emulating what an EXTERIOR explosive or impact would do.

If the entrance hole showed that the beams and such had been blown OUTWARDS, then that'd be signs of an INTERIOR explosion. HOWEVER, since the damage is facing INWARDS, (ie. INTO the structure rather than OUT of the structure), all indications point to the fact an object penetrated INTO the structure.

So then, what it comes down to is that the entrance hole was NOT faked.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-12   14:37:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

establishing the "Best Evidence". Nano-Thermite residue is solid quantifiable, replicable evidence. The observed phenomena of a pancake collapse accompanied by squibs (and first hand testimony to explosions preceding the plane impacts) IS hard evidence.

What is it you want to establish the "Best Evidence" for, O_I? Most Popular Storyline? The chain of custody on the nano-thermite is unreliable. If No Planes issues are moot and irrelevant to you then quit haggling, as you call it, and go peruse something that interests you more instead of heckling ongoing open investigations.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-12   14:43:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't have a lot of time right now to keep going over this for you, FL. The post does address how explosions inward could have been done. Look for key words like Dependable Glass and gum. Besides that, maybe you aren't aware that film makers have been using painted-in matte backgrounds and other FX of burning buildings and what have you since the "Gone With the Wind" era or earlier. It's not all that difficult for them. It's what they do for a living.

Edited sentence 2.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-12   14:56:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So you're telling me those weren't real people standing at the entrance holes? You're trying to tell me that the damage was caused by gum?

Or are you trying to tell me all those people who were taking close up shots of the entrance hole were in on the conspiracy too, and that it was all done in a Hollywood studio, broadcast in real time, and that nobody there noticed that what they were seeing on TV wasn't really what was happening?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-12   15:09:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, priorities are key. If someone wants to delve into the no-plane stuff more power to them. Intellectual freedom is great. As for me, i dont care.its hard enuff 11+ yrs later to even explain the relevence of 911 to people, much less drown in minutia.

After 11+ years I can totally agree with you... it takes it's toll.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-12   15:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That is not proof of a holographic projection system.

As far as I can tell their is no holograms nor any holographic projection system in that time that could produce the elaborate and huge holograms needed....

I do not see the evidence out there to convince me personally that holograms were used. I may not be willing to 100% Dismiss it completely outta hand but I think something else was used.

CGI!!!! Computer generated images . I know what altered poor pixiliation looks like, I've been able to help other graphic experts spot the flaws. CGI was most definitely used... Amongst other stuff..... The truth is more outrageous then any theory we could of ever thought of.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-12   15:28:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

CGI!!!! Computer generated images . I know what altered poor pixiliation looks like, I've been able to help other graphic experts spot the flaws. CGI was most definitely used... Amongst other stuff..... The truth is more outrageous then any theory we could of ever thought of.

Provide an example of any such flaw in the original live broadcast footage. I'd really like to see what you have, if anything.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-12   16:02:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Provide an example of any such flaw in the original live broadcast footage. I'd really like to see what you have, if anything.

We need to demand the Pentagon provide their videos and the gas stations videos before we argure about this crap.

The evidence is there. The criminals are not going to release it.

"Satan / Cheney in "08"

tom007  posted on  2012-10-12   22:26:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And that is sufficent for a conclusion.

"Satan / Cheney in "08"

tom007  posted on  2012-10-12   22:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#111. To: FormerLurker (#110)

Provide an example of any such flaw in the original live broadcast footage. I'd really like to see what you have, if anything.

I'll provide you with nothing Former lurker. In fact I am only addressing you because others quote you. Otherwise I have no need to read your BS anymore. Others have shown you plenty already, you have dismissed everything out of hand because it conflicts with your fragile world view. You have even resorted to the kinds of tactics the enemy uses. That is massive failure on your part.... no movement needs men of compromised ethics.

Stay in your chair and bitch about it. I'm sure everyone will provide you with everything you ask for just as soon as hell freezes over. In the mean time please continue to waste your time and the forums bandwidth addressing a person ignoring you. It will be time well spent.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-13   2:36:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We need to demand the Pentagon provide their videos and the gas stations videos before we argure about this crap.

We have demanded it.... I think the real problem is that their is nothing to release..... By that I mean nothing that will show a plane. ...

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-13   2:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll provide you with nothing Former lurker

You'll provide nothing because you have nothing to provide, it doesn't exist.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   3:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We need to demand the Pentagon provide their videos and the gas stations videos before we argure about this crap.

We have demanded it.... I think the real problem is that their is nothing to release..... By that I mean nothing that will show a plane. ...

They probably have videos of an explosion with no plane which I imagine they are afraid to release because most people of average intelligence or over will figure out then (using logic n stuff) that there actually wasn't a plane. Let's not be too surprised if/when they release one with a cgi plane in it ;)

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-13   10:14:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They probably have videos of an explosion with no plane which I imagine they are afraid to release because most people of average intelligence or over will figure out then (using logic n stuff) that there actually wasn't a plane. Let's not be too surprised if/when they release one with a cgi plane in it ;)

If things were as you claim, where CGI was used in the WTC impacts, fireballs, and smoke plumes, then it'd be child's play to fake the Pentagon impact using the same techniques.

That they haven't done so, and refuse to release video from the Pentagon roof cams amongst others, tells us that what THOSE videos show WOULD blow the lid on what really happened that day.

However, it ALSO blows your story out of the water since they HAVEN'T released them and broadcast them umpteen times each day after the attacks.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   13:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No amount of reason will change the mind of someone whose already made theirs up.

I'm still waiting for the details on your "millions of eyewitnesses".

Or does that threaten your preconceived idea of what happened?

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-13   14:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No amount of reason will change the mind of someone whose already made theirs up.

That is quite obvious in speaking with you these days wudidiz. You refuse to use logic and reason, you simply go on your "feelings" and accept whatever people tell you if it has to do with "no planes".

Do you really think the victims were in on these attacks? Did you ever think far enough to realize they would have had to have been in order for any survivors to go along with the lie, that no planes attacked the WTC, it was all a hoax?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   14:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm still waiting for the details on your "millions of eyewitnesses".

Or does that threaten your preconceived idea of what happened?

Can you give me at least one?

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-13   14:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm still waiting for the details on your "millions of eyewitnesses".

You can walk around NYC and start asking people if they saw planes impact the towers that day, or if they saw a hoax. Be sure to tell me what they say to you wud, I'd be interested in knowing.

Thus far, there has been NOBODY who claims to have seen what you claim, that is, explosions without planes, no smoke plumes, and no fireballs. There isn't one person working at United or American airlines who say those planes never flew that morning, and not one person at the airport towers, ground crews, or management, that say those planes never flew.

There have not been any signs that the passengers and flight crews are still alive, so they probably aren't, wud.

And, finally, there have been no reports from any news staff, reporters, camara crew, production studio engineers, etc., who claim they knew of the scheme or took part in the scheme.

So where ARE your witnesses wud?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   14:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Find all the names of all the people who were involved with the takeoffs, boarding, air traffic control, the police and firemen at the scene, and the occupants of the office buildings facing the approach.

And oh yeah, find the families of the passengers on those doomed flights and ask them if their loved ones really died or not, or if they are faking it.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   14:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, I mean, if there are witnesses to a plane hitting the wtc, I'd think you'd be able to name at least one or find a video of one saying they saw a plane. I have surely asked you enough times, yet you've not produced anything.

Wtf?

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-13   14:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Believe what you want...

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-13   14:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-13   15:05:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The "Jumpers" of 9/11 are all FAKES?

They were obviously pre-made, and were included into to the storyline of the 9/11 to increase the "shock and awe" effect to steer us to giving up our rights to the real terrorists of 9/11

The "Jumpers" of 9/11 are all FAKES? (Part 2) -- 4:13 no windows that open in skyscrapers

For safety of pedestrians below, the glass used in skyscrapers is so strong that it is like a wall that you can see thru, and all these "openings" are very unlikely. Add to this, There is no reason for a jumper-to-be to leave a smoke-free floor.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-13   15:53:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-13   16:51:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

She asks some good questions.

I love her nails! :)

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-13   17:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, I mean, if there are witnesses to a plane hitting the wtc I'd think you'd be able to name at least one

Sorry I don't live in NYC, like I said, you should go there and ask around. I'd bet you'll find a few people who'll tell you all about what they saw on 9/11.

In terms of finding people on the net, ANYONE could pretend to be a witness and claim fairies wearing boots kicked the WTC towers down, if that's what you wanted them to say.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   17:37:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The original no planer

Uh huh. He said he SAW the first plane, but didn't see the 2nd one. No shit, if he was on the side facing the North Tower impact (1st plane), then he COULDN'T have seen the 2nd plane since it was on the opposite side of the SOUTH TOWER.

Are you really that dense wud?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   17:40:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jennifer Oberstein

In the video you posted she clearly says she heard a boom THEN looked up. Well no shit genius, if she wasn't looking UP at the tower she wouldn't have seen the impact. Is this the BEST you have?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   17:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So some chick piecing screen captures (which she could well have doctored) into a video, and narrating it as if she's some sort of expert on anything, THIS is your BEST evidence that the holes were faked, that the victims were faked (I suppose the witnesses such as police and firemen lied about that too, eh), and everyone there standing around ALL conspired to kill those people, which in your mind, probably never existed anyways.

Are you that screwed up to believe that?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   17:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Uh huh. I suppose you thought the structure was supposed to make the plane bounce off like a rubber ball, eh?

It was travelling at 500 mph or close to it, and it had enough forward momentum to penetrate the relatively thin columns which were spaced apart far enough to allow the majority of the plane to pass through without any resistance.

Wake up.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   17:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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