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Title: NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
Source: Prison Planet Forum
URL Source: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=945.50;wap2
Published: Aug 1, 2008
Author: Morgan Rose
Post Date: 2012-10-06 10:54:21 by FormerLurker
Ping List: *9-11*     Subscribe to *9-11*
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Views: 19469
Comments: 309

COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing movements. These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted movement.

Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur operations. Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”.

While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements . See a problem here?

Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects, academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others.

Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501 (c) 3, or “nonprofit” status, However, recent investigations conducted by concerned donors have uncovered that her “foundation” does not retain “nonprofit” status with the IRS. In fact, more rigorous inquires have obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants. “Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple complaints with the FTC and IRS.

Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League, Citigroup, and The National Security Council. 3BDigital boasts to have partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defense contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own theories.

The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations of COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified. WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD.

Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods. Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”.

So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors, major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane” pseudo-movement?

The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas, before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been fully exposed: the pyschological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel. Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly begs the question: does it get any more transparent? Subscribe to *9-11*

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#144. To: GreyLmist (#143)

WTC windows didn't open as the 9/11 jumper fakery would have us believe. Is that simple enough for you this time?

Hey genius, those windows had been blasted out by the explosions. Are you that dense?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   15:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: FormerLurker (#144)
(Edited)

Hey genius, those windows had been blasted out by the explosions. Are you that dense?

I unbozoed you.

Your statement right there is dense.

YOu would have us believe that , what? All the windows in the building shattered upon impact?

They didn't .

Their are more than enough photos and film to prove very few windows in fact broke... Remarkable and a testament to the WTC construction.

Kinda like the amazing windows at the pentagon....

Funny thing ... windows.

AND HOW ABOUT THAT IMPACT HOLE!

It was cool enough to walk around and even lay down upon yet a jet (Or a high yield incendiary device)had just blew up there not 20 minutes ago.... ....

No windows there. Just an open hole for people to run around or jump from.. I only know of two people recorded in the space of the hole... I don't think either jumped.... ANYWAYS You can go to 911research.wtc7.net/wtc/...nce/photos/wtc1hole1.html

and look at the close up and see that just one floor below still has intact windows.

SO VERY FEW WINDOWS ACTULLY BROKE.... and almost next to none in the floors above and below the impact.

Look for yourself but don't lie to yourself.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   15:54:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: FormerLurker (#144)

Hey genius, those windows had been blasted out by the explosions. Are you that dense?

What will you be telling us next? That 9/11 was only an inside job at the Pentagon?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   15:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: titorite (#145)

YOu would have us believe that , what? All the windows in the building shattered upon impact?

They didn't .

I didn't say they did. I said windows were blown out on impact, not ALL the windows of the building were blown out.

Do you know the difference?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   15:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: GreyLmist (#146)

What will you be telling us next? That 9/11 was only an inside job at the Pentagon?

Are you retarded, or as I already believe, are you really a shillster for Uncle Sam, or is it for Tel Aviv?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   15:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: GreyLmist, wudidiz, titorite, Original_Intent, RickyJ, tom007 (#146)

Do you think the following video is fake?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: FormerLurker (#148)

ANYWAYS You can go to 911research.wtc7.net/wtc/...nce/photos/wtc1hole1.html

and look at the close up and see that just one floor below still has intact windows.

SO VERY FEW WINDOWS ACTULLY BROKE.... and almost next to none in the floors above and below the impact.

Look for yourself but don't lie to yourself.

Just in case you missed my edit FL....

I want you or anyone else who feels inclined to look at those pictures, see the intact glass in the floors above and below impact then I want whoever feels like it, to come out, and explain to us all here how people were able to jump through the unbroken windows...

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: FormerLurker (#149)

Don't forget, the only thing to survive the crashes was an Arab Passport.

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-10-14   16:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: FormerLurker (#147)

I said windows were blown out on impact, not ALL the windows of the building were blown out.

Do you know the difference?

Do you have any evidence of which ones were blown out and which ones weren't? The non-damage to the building area where the alleged people were standing indicates the windows weren't blasted out there.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   16:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: FormerLurker (#149)

People who operate by disinformation would attempt to throw out a distraction like this

"Is this video real" BS game.

Forget your video FL. Everyone is talking about these jumpers at the moment.

You got a reason to avoid that topic of conversation?

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:10:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: GreyLmist, titorite (#152)

Do you either of you have evidence that those who died from jumping from the WTC towers are still alive? Do you have evidence that their families are lying?

Do you have evidence that those who filmed people falling from the towers were using fabricated video, or that those who were on the scene witnessing people jumping were lying, that they were all in on this "no plane" scheme designed to kill 3000 Americans that day?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: titorite, GreyLmist, wudidiz, *9-11* (#153) (Edited)

Does anyone here claim that these people are lying, or that this video isn't authentic?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: FormerLurker (#154)

Do you either of you have evidence that those who died from jumping from the WTC towers are still alive?

OOOOOOO

Do you have the evidence that they were ever real in the first place and not fabricated to sell deadly lies?

IN fact how do we know that you are not a brainwashed victim? For all we know you could be one of those air force internet trolls?

Where's your evidence now? Disinformation specialist?

RULE 14: Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best for items qualifying for rule 10.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/lates...-rules-of-disinformation/

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: FormerLurker (#155) (Edited)

Cool video bro

The topic of conversation was about the jumpers... Not this old fall back position of yours that you are relying upon to change the subject...what do you have against talking about the jumpers Disinformation specialist???

http://vigilantcitizen.com/lates...-rules-of-disinformation/

RULE 17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can “argue” with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#146)

What will you be telling us next? That 9/11 was only an inside job at the Pentagon?

What will you be telling us next, that the Towers didn't ever really exist? That must be it, no planes, no jumpers, and NO TOWERS! I don't know why I bother with your nonsense. Whatever you are being paid to post this tripe it is too much.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-10-14   16:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: titorite (#156)

Do you have the evidence that they were ever real in the first place and not fabricated to sell deadly lies?

You're a real piece of work. Now you're not just selling "no planes", you're trying to peddle "no victims".

Perhaps you should go to a 9/11 families get together and try telling your story there, I'm sure you'll convince them that they're all lying.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:35:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: titorite (#157)

Cool video bro

I'm sure you'd find it cool if it was your brother, sister, mother, father, son, or daughter jumping from a building that was on fire.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: titorite (#157) (Edited)

The topic of conversation was about the jumpers...

Did you bother watching the video BTW, it WAS showing the jumpers. Or are you so brainwashed you didn't watch it past 5 seconds?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: RickyJ (#158)

What will you be telling us next? That 9/11 was only an inside job at the Pentagon?

What will you be telling us next, that the Towers didn't ever really exist? That must be it, no planes, no jumpers, and NO TOWERS! I don't know why I bother with your nonsense. Whatever you are being paid to post this tripe it is too much.

I don't know why you bother either? what was the point of it Ricky?

Can you point out which windows were and were not broken and enlighten us as to what floors the jumpers were alleged to jump from......

..... IDK.... I normally avoid this topic of conversation... Wudidiz and Grey are both going to be more knowledgeable on this aspect of the event than I.

Still I can talk about the validity of these jumpers....

Why can't you Ricky? The towers were real and they really fell. But not because planes hit them.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:40:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: FormerLurker (#154)

this "no plane" scheme designed to kill 3000 Americans that day?

Likely that many wouldn't have really been killed that day by plane-attack illusions -- which would make it more likely for some accomplices to agree to do their part in staging and promoting the attack scenarios. However, many more than that have died since in the Wars because of the 9/11 hoax that you are perpetuating.

Where are the 9/11 Victims? - Social Security Death Index (SSDI) research

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   16:40:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: GreyLmist (#163)

Likely that many wouldn't have really been killed that day by plane-attack illusions

So what are you trying to say, that the towers didn't collapse, that they're still there?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: FormerLurker (#159)

#159. To: titorite (#156)

Do you have the evidence that they were ever real in the first place and not fabricated to sell deadly lies?

You're a real piece of work. Now you're not just selling "no planes", you're trying to peddle "no victims".

Perhaps you should go to a 9/11 families get together and try telling your story there, I'm sure you'll convince them that they're all lying.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker posted on 2012-10-14 16:35:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #160. To: titorite (#157)

Cool video bro

I'm sure you'd find it cool if it was your brother, sister, mother, father, son, or daughter jumping from a building that was on fire.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker posted on 2012-10-14 16:38:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #161. To: titorite (#157) (Edited)

The topic of conversation was about the jumpers...

Did you bother watching the video BTW, it WAS showing the jumpers. Or are you so brainwashed you didn't watch it past 5 seconds?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker posted on 2012-10-14 16:39:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

vigilantcitizen.com/lates...-rules-of-disinformation/

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: RickyJ (#158)

What will you be telling us next, that the Towers didn't ever really exist? That must be it, no planes, no jumpers, and NO TOWERS!

Now it's getting to be no victims. Pretty soon, they'll say it never happened at all, that it was all done in Hollywood, and that the towers are still standing.

Oh wait, that IS what they're saying isn't it?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:44:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: FormerLurker (#166)

Now it's getting to be no victims. Pretty soon, they'll say it never happened at all, that it was all done in Hollywood, and that the towers are still standing.

Oh wait, that IS what they're saying isn't it?

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.

vigilantcitizen.com/lates...-rules-of-disinformation/

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: titorite (#165)

Pretty ironic that you seem to have your disinfo rule book at your fingertips. You suck at it dude, go back to disinfo school, since you're obviously doing a piss poor job of it here on 4um.

You're changing the subject from jumpers by posting this crap, and accusing me of changing the subject from jumpers when I post a video showing jumpers.

Are you shooting something up your veins that makes you stupid, or were you just born that way?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:47:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: All, *9-11* (#163)

Ping to research at Post #163, YouTube video: Where are the 9/11 Victims?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   16:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: titorite, RickyJ, tom007 (#165)

I think it's pretty much official, you ARE a disinfo peddler, although whatever it is they're paying you, it's too much. Ricky was right on the money about that one.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: titorite (#165)

Trying to push that jumper video off the page, eh slick?

Well here it is again for all to see. You're trying to say this is fake, right?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:51:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: FormerLurker (#168)

Pretty ironic that you seem to have your disinfo rule book at your fingertips. You suck at it dude, go back to disinfo school, since you're obviously doing a piss poor job of it here on 4um.

You're changing the subject from jumpers by posting this crap, and accusing me of changing the subject from jumpers when I post a video showing jumpers.

Are you shooting something up your veins that makes you stupid, or were you just born that way?

I have the disinfo handbook at my fingertips because everyone does.

I have been including the internet web address. Even you can click the links.

I find your willing use of those dirty tactics to be just awful. No truther would do that. Doing so invalidates credibility. Truthers want to talk about the truth no matter what it might be .... they do not attempt to distract others from speaking about what may be an uncomfortable truth.

The subject was already about the reality of the jumpers before you attempted (and continue to attempt) to change the subject with your fall back position of asking us if we think something is real or not.

It's like reading the hunger games again with peta asking if something is real or not real..... entertaining in the fiction, repetitive and obvious coming from you former lurker.

Their were some questions as to how people could occupy the open windows of the upper floors in some photos when other photos show the same windows unbroken and unoccupied.

Kinda like the PBS photo with the plane engines in the wrong place.

Kinda like the immortal passports.

Kinda like the invisible pentagon plane.

A real truther talks about all this and attempts to suppress nothing and they damn sure don't use the dirty tactics to suppress other truthers.

vigilantcitizen.com/lates...-rules-of-disinformation/

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#163)

However, many more than that have died since in the Wars because of the 9/11 hoax that you are perpetuating.

Shove it bud. The hoax is being perpetrated by you and your neocon brethren. You and your ilk have for years tried to discredit those scientists and engineers who were providing scientific reasons why the towers could NOT have fallen on their own, and into their own footprint.

At first it was by ridicule and character assassination. When that failed, and when MANY scientists and engineers, along with architects, pilots, military officers, intelligence officers, and a wide list of others joined in demanding a more thorough investigation be opened concerning these scientific flaws with the official story, you and your handlers dreamed up the "no planes" theory in order to discredit those people by the rather old trick of guilt by association.

So whatever it is you benefit in this disinfo campaign, you should reflect back on what you've accomplished with your wars, and your false flag operation, which you and your fellow travellers are actively involved in covering up.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:59:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#171) (Edited)

In the first few minutes of your video, we see what you want us to believe aren't props falling as if jumpers, firemen standing around doing nothing to even hold a blanket for them to fall on, and mostly stationary figures -- one of them crouched with their head pointed into the smoke rather than coughing and turning away from it.

Edited for grammar.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: titorite (#172)

Kinda like the PBS photo with the plane engines in the wrong place.

Just to address one item from your rant, that was an image of a plane near the WTC, it was not even claimed to be an actual image from the morning of 9/11.

Besides that, PBS was already caught broadcasting doctored footage from 9/11, so what's that prove? I say it proves the government was feeding the ridiculous "no plane" theory life, so that people such as you can use to it "prove" there were no planes involved at all with the 9/11 attacks, that there were no victims, that there were no jumpers, and that it was all done in Hollywood.

To any rational person, one such image would not prove any of that. But to you, and people like you, that's all it takes.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: FormerLurker (#171)

Another video. Good job. I liked the 25 minutes of raw footage better though. Can you edit your new video to reflect the first one you posted .. the original one you were referencing before you posted that newer one there.

I am not attempting to bump off anything of yours and you know that Former Lurker. In fact it is more often I myself that is making that accusation at you.

I could never hope to bump anything of yours off FL.

You like to over post way too much sometimes you even mulitireply to the same post over and over rather than just editing for brevity and clarity....

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   17:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: GreyLmist (#174)

firemen standing around doing nothing to even hold a blanket for them to fall on

Were they supposed to run half a mile to fetch a net and then try to figure out where the person would land from a third of a mile up? Do you have any idea how fast someone would be traveling from that height?

There's no handheld net made that could handle that, and more than likely, no stationary net which would handle it either.

So yep, you're saying that wasn't really filmed in NYC, right?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: titorite (#176)

Another video. Good job. I liked the 25 minutes of raw footage better though.

Hey Einstein, the raw footage is one of the sources of the other video. I didn't create either one, go ask the author if he can cater one to your whims.

I'm sure that's what you "no planers" do all the time.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: FormerLurker (#175)

Just to address one item from your rant, that was an image of a plane near the WTC, it was not even claimed to be an actual image from the morning of 9/11.

Gosh, then maybe threre's a news report somewhere about a McDonnell Douglas MD- 90 flying so near the WTC's restricted airspace. Go find us such a report, FL, and tell us why you think the image would be in a PBS documentary about the WTC on 9/11.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: FormerLurker, GreyLmist (#173)

The hoax is being perpetrated by you and your neocon brethren.

Well... since we seem to be digressing from the topic I am gonna take this moment of side tracking to bring up this comment....

N-E-O-C-O-N_B-R-E-T-H-R-E-N

What The Fuck?

Grey, If I may ask, are you a neo con or consider yourself republican or conservative in any way?

For the record I am an Anarchist at heart. Not conservative. Closer to radical. Realistically I align with libertarians.

Very much NOT a neo con. Rush limbaugh I am not.

Former Lurker, what do you consider yourself? And why are the "Neocons" out to get you?

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   17:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: titorite (#162)

Can you point out which windows were and were not broken and enlighten us as to what floors the jumpers were alleged to jump from......

Do you think those windows were so thick and strong that the people suffocating inside due to the smoke could not break them with any and all objects at their disposal? If they weren't already blown apart in the explosion they most certainly were smashed apart by the survivors. Some people didn’t jump, they were pushed by the crowd trying to get some fresh air. Too many eye witnesses and videos of it have been put into the public domain for it to have been faked, and why would they want to fake it?

Why? They have no good reason. The towers being hit by planes and then collapsing was all they needed to get the wars started in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why would they risk being exposed on this lie when there was no reason to do so?

They wouldn't.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-10-14   17:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: GreyLmist (#179)

then maybe threre's a news report somewhere about a McDonnell Douglas MD- 90 flying so near the WTC's restricted airspace. Go find us such a report, FL

Why should I? Are you claiming that picture was taken on the morning of 9/11? Then YOU find a link which indicates that picture WAS taken on 9/11.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:18:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: RickyJ (#181)

Do you think those windows were so thick and strong that the people suffocating inside due to the smoke could not break them with any and all objects at their disposal? If they weren't already blown apart in the explosion they most certainly were smashed apart by the survivors. Some people didn’t jump, they were pushed by the crowd trying to get some fresh air.

Those windows were put in with machinery. They were built so as to prevent an adrenalin fueled pyscotic CEO from going bezerk and busting out the windows. A dramatization but if I do remember correctly they were shatter proof. You could not shoot them out from the inside. You could not install or remove them with out a work crew and tools.

Also what crowds?

I do not remember any group shots or crowd shots.

Could you point on out to me while I go try and look it up myself?

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   17:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: FormerLurker (#177)

Were they supposed to run half a mile to fetch a net and then try to figure out where the person would land from a third of a mile up? Do you have any idea how fast someone would be traveling from that height?

There's no handheld net made that could handle that, and more than likely, no stationary net which would handle it either.

So yep, you're saying that wasn't really filmed in NYC, right?

The point is that they were doing nothing to provide anything as a potential life-saving measure -- not a net, not a mobile inflatable anything as a cushion, nothing. And that issue doesn't explain away the mostly stationary figures, FL, especially the one with their head pointed into the smoke.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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