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Title: NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
Source: Prison Planet Forum
URL Source: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=945.50;wap2
Published: Aug 1, 2008
Author: Morgan Rose
Post Date: 2012-10-06 10:54:21 by FormerLurker
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Views: 19624
Comments: 309

COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing movements. These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted movement.

Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur operations. Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”.

While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements . See a problem here?

Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects, academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others.

Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501 (c) 3, or “nonprofit” status, However, recent investigations conducted by concerned donors have uncovered that her “foundation” does not retain “nonprofit” status with the IRS. In fact, more rigorous inquires have obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants. “Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple complaints with the FTC and IRS.

Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League, Citigroup, and The National Security Council. 3BDigital boasts to have partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defense contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own theories.

The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations of COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified. WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD.

Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods. Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”.

So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors, major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane” pseudo-movement?

The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas, before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been fully exposed: the pyschological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel. Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly begs the question: does it get any more transparent? Subscribe to *9-11*

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#176. To: FormerLurker (#171)

Another video. Good job. I liked the 25 minutes of raw footage better though. Can you edit your new video to reflect the first one you posted .. the original one you were referencing before you posted that newer one there.

I am not attempting to bump off anything of yours and you know that Former Lurker. In fact it is more often I myself that is making that accusation at you.

I could never hope to bump anything of yours off FL.

You like to over post way too much sometimes you even mulitireply to the same post over and over rather than just editing for brevity and clarity....

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   17:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: GreyLmist (#174)

firemen standing around doing nothing to even hold a blanket for them to fall on

Were they supposed to run half a mile to fetch a net and then try to figure out where the person would land from a third of a mile up? Do you have any idea how fast someone would be traveling from that height?

There's no handheld net made that could handle that, and more than likely, no stationary net which would handle it either.

So yep, you're saying that wasn't really filmed in NYC, right?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: titorite (#176)

Another video. Good job. I liked the 25 minutes of raw footage better though.

Hey Einstein, the raw footage is one of the sources of the other video. I didn't create either one, go ask the author if he can cater one to your whims.

I'm sure that's what you "no planers" do all the time.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: FormerLurker (#175)

Just to address one item from your rant, that was an image of a plane near the WTC, it was not even claimed to be an actual image from the morning of 9/11.

Gosh, then maybe threre's a news report somewhere about a McDonnell Douglas MD- 90 flying so near the WTC's restricted airspace. Go find us such a report, FL, and tell us why you think the image would be in a PBS documentary about the WTC on 9/11.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: FormerLurker, GreyLmist (#173)

The hoax is being perpetrated by you and your neocon brethren.

Well... since we seem to be digressing from the topic I am gonna take this moment of side tracking to bring up this comment....

N-E-O-C-O-N_B-R-E-T-H-R-E-N

What The Fuck?

Grey, If I may ask, are you a neo con or consider yourself republican or conservative in any way?

For the record I am an Anarchist at heart. Not conservative. Closer to radical. Realistically I align with libertarians.

Very much NOT a neo con. Rush limbaugh I am not.

Former Lurker, what do you consider yourself? And why are the "Neocons" out to get you?

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   17:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: titorite (#162)

Can you point out which windows were and were not broken and enlighten us as to what floors the jumpers were alleged to jump from......

Do you think those windows were so thick and strong that the people suffocating inside due to the smoke could not break them with any and all objects at their disposal? If they weren't already blown apart in the explosion they most certainly were smashed apart by the survivors. Some people didn’t jump, they were pushed by the crowd trying to get some fresh air. Too many eye witnesses and videos of it have been put into the public domain for it to have been faked, and why would they want to fake it?

Why? They have no good reason. The towers being hit by planes and then collapsing was all they needed to get the wars started in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why would they risk being exposed on this lie when there was no reason to do so?

They wouldn't.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-10-14   17:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: GreyLmist (#179)

then maybe threre's a news report somewhere about a McDonnell Douglas MD- 90 flying so near the WTC's restricted airspace. Go find us such a report, FL

Why should I? Are you claiming that picture was taken on the morning of 9/11? Then YOU find a link which indicates that picture WAS taken on 9/11.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:18:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: RickyJ (#181)

Do you think those windows were so thick and strong that the people suffocating inside due to the smoke could not break them with any and all objects at their disposal? If they weren't already blown apart in the explosion they most certainly were smashed apart by the survivors. Some people didn’t jump, they were pushed by the crowd trying to get some fresh air.

Those windows were put in with machinery. They were built so as to prevent an adrenalin fueled pyscotic CEO from going bezerk and busting out the windows. A dramatization but if I do remember correctly they were shatter proof. You could not shoot them out from the inside. You could not install or remove them with out a work crew and tools.

Also what crowds?

I do not remember any group shots or crowd shots.

Could you point on out to me while I go try and look it up myself?

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   17:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: FormerLurker (#177)

Were they supposed to run half a mile to fetch a net and then try to figure out where the person would land from a third of a mile up? Do you have any idea how fast someone would be traveling from that height?

There's no handheld net made that could handle that, and more than likely, no stationary net which would handle it either.

So yep, you're saying that wasn't really filmed in NYC, right?

The point is that they were doing nothing to provide anything as a potential life-saving measure -- not a net, not a mobile inflatable anything as a cushion, nothing. And that issue doesn't explain away the mostly stationary figures, FL, especially the one with their head pointed into the smoke.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: titorite (#180)

N-E-O-C-O-N_B-R-E-T-H-R-E-N

What The Fuck?

Grey, If I may ask, are you a neo con or consider yourself republican or conservative in any way?

No, I am very much not a Neocon. I am a Constitutionalist.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:32:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: RickyJ (#181)

Do you think those windows were so thick and strong that the people suffocating inside due to the smoke could not break them with any and all objects at their disposal? If they weren't already blown apart in the explosion they most certainly were smashed apart by the survivors. Some people didn’t jump, they were pushed by the crowd trying to get some fresh air. Too many eye witnesses and videos of it have been put into the public domain for it to have been faked, and why would they want to fake it?

There is no smoke coming out of the openings where the alleged jumpers are seen, Ricky. Repeating a lie in the public domain doesn't make it the truth. The purpose was to shock and awe us into Warmania.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:39:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: RickyJ (#181)

What it comes down to Ricky is that these folks are about the same as flat earthers, where no matter what you try to say them to show that the earth is a sphere, thus it can't be flat, they'll insist they're right and you're wrong.

They'd probably insist that since maps are flat the world has to be flat too.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: GreyLmist (#184)

The point is that they were doing nothing to provide anything as a potential life-saving measure

Short of helicopter rescue, nothing could be done to save those people. There's nothing that could have been done from the ground.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:41:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: FormerLurker (#182)

then maybe threre's a news report somewhere about a McDonnell Douglas MD- 90 flying so near the WTC's restricted airspace. Go find us such a report, FL

Why should I? Are you claiming that picture was taken on the morning of 9/11? Then YOU find a link which indicates that picture WAS taken on 9/11.

No, I'm not claiming that picture was taken on the morning of 9/11 or any other time. You claimed that it was an image of a plane near the WTC but wasn't claimed to be an actual image from the morning of 9/11. So, prove your claim that it was an image of plane near the WTC restricted airspace, whenever.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:45:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#186) (Edited)

There is no smoke coming out of the openings where the alleged jumpers are seen, Ricky. Repeating a lie in the public domain doesn't make it the truth.

Liar. Right at 2:56 of the video I've already posted several times on this thread, it CLEARLY shows people standing in windows with smoke pouring out.

Like you said, repeating a lie doesn't make it true.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: FormerLurker (#187)

What it comes down to Ricky is that these folks are about the same as flat earthers, where no matter what you try to say them to show that the earth is a sphere, thus it can't be flat, they'll insist they're right and you're wrong.

I was thinking the same of you recently.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: GreyLmist (#189)

You claimed that it was an image of a plane near the WTC but wasn't claimed to be an actual image from the morning of 9/11

I said it was not an image from 9/11. I also said earlier on that it could have been a dramatization or an outright doctored image.

If you'd like I can find the post where you acknowledged those words, back on the previous thread.

Your disinfo games are falling apart GL, you're not getting your bonus this week.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: GreyLmist (#191) (Edited)

You are flinging whatever shit you can pull out of the latrine and seeing what sticks.

It's obvious you're getting desperate. Has your boss scolded you for not doing a better job?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: FormerLurker (#188) (Edited)

Short of helicopter rescue, nothing could be done to save those people.

And the firemen weren't doing that either. Tell us about that non-coughing stationary figure with their head in the smoke, FL.

Edited for spelling and quoted section for brevity.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:53:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: GreyLmist (#194)

And the firemen weren't doing that either. Tell us about that non-coughing stationary figure with their head in the smoke,

The firemen weren't pilots. So what's that supposed to prove?

I have no idea of what "no-coughing" stationary figure you're talking about, please be more specific.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:55:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: GreyLmist (#185)

No, I am very much not a Neocon. I am a Constitutionalist.

I think the biggest problem in the USA is peoples ignorance of the constitution and the masses unwillingness to insist upon adherence to it.

This is the real reason we are in civil war.... The military and political leaders do not insist upon following constitutional law.... instead they see the constitution as nothing but in encumbrance to how they wish to run the system.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   17:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: FormerLurker (#192)

I also said earlier on that it could have been a dramatization or an outright doctored image.

Not here you didn't but that'll do to settle the matter without you having to go hunt up a report for us on a McDonnell MD-90 in the WTC's restricted airspace, whenevah.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: FormerLurker (#195)

The firemen weren't pilots. So what's that supposed to prove?

HEy, firemen aren't demolition experts either , yet the OTC says they can plant charges and pull buildings with little to no warning or prep....

So whats that supposed to prove?

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   18:00:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: GreyLmist (#197)

On your "smoke and mirrors" thread not only did I prove that the PBS source footage was doctored CBS footage, but that the person who authored the "smoke and mirrors" video HAD to have known that what he was "analysing" was simply doctored footage from the original CBS footage, yet he presented it as if it were evidence of "no planes".

I ALSO replied to you on that thread in response to you posting ANOTHER PBS 9/11 documentary video, as if it were somehow going to be proof of anything, where it briefly flashed an image of what you're hammering away at here.

In that reply, I told you how not only is it irrelevant in regards to 9/11, since not only is it either a fake made for dramatization, or one made to get folks like you all riled up, but that PBS has ALREADY been caught airing doctored footage.

It proves that PBS is in on this "no plane" hoax, and that it causes people such as yourself to pound your chests and declare that you have "proof" the networks conspired to kill 3000 Americans that day and make it look like planes were hijacked, and that all of the people on the street and adjacent office buildins were somehow in on this scheme, since none of them have came forward declaring that what they saw isn't what was shown on TV.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   18:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: titorite (#198)

HEy, firemen aren't demolition experts either , yet the OTC says they can plant charges and pull buildings with little to no warning or prep....

So whats that supposed to prove?

Your handler was trying to say because the firemen didn't run to find a helicopter, it must be a fake video, since they didn't fly.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   18:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: titorite (#196) (Edited)

I think the biggest problem in the USA is peoples ignorance of the constitution and the masses unwillingness to insist upon adherence to it.

This is the real reason we are in civil war.... The military and political leaders do not insist upon following constitutional law.... instead they see the constitution as nothing but in encumbrance to how they wish to run the system.

They're not really our rulers. They've seceded from our Constitutional Republic.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   18:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: FormerLurker (#199) (Edited)

Is there anything you don't twist beyond recognition? You were told repeatedly before that topic that the film was a media alteration. The documentary showed that it was a PBS alteration and not footage altered by the video poster. You claimed here that the MD-90 plane image in question was of a plane near the WTC, rather than the media manipulated insert that it undoubtedly was. Go make your false claims about the Smoke and Mirrors topic in that topic.

Forgot to note that I edited this post and am not sure now why I did.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   18:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: titorite (#198)

FL: The firemen weren't pilots. So what's that supposed to prove?

titorite: HEy, firemen aren't demolition experts either , yet the OTC says they can plant charges and pull buildings with little to no warning or prep....

So whats that supposed to prove?

Good point, titorite.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   18:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ, All (#190)

My response to RickyJ is traceable to the video I posted where the MSM photos show no smoke coming from the openings where the alleged people are standing, not your video where you claim not to notice any non-coughing stationary figure with their head in the smoke. If anybody else can't see that, let's hear it but I expect you're the only one, FL.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   18:50:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: GreyLmist (#202)

You were told repeatedly before that topic that the film was a media alteration.

Yes the PBS documentary contained doctored footage, we agree. HOWEVER, the "Smoke and Mirrors" author presents it as ACTUAL footage from 9/11.

See the difference?

As far as the fake image of a plane, done perhaps years after the fact with Photoshop, what's that supposed to prove?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   18:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#204)

My response to RickyJ is traceable to the video I posted where the MSM photos show no smoke coming from the openings where the alleged people are standing, not your video where you claim not to notice any non-coughing stationary figure with their head in the smoke.

You really ARE a piece of work aren't you. So you're saying that video is fake then, right? All those witnesses viewing what was happening are lying too, right? Where is your PROOF of this GL?

And BTW, you had made a general statement to Ricky saying that there was NO SMOKE coming from any window where people were standing. I proved you wrong.

You can't even own up to that can you.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   18:54:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: FormerLurker (#205) (Edited)

Yes the PBS documentary contained doctored footage, we agree. HOWEVER, the "Smoke and Mirrors" author presents it as ACTUAL footage from 9/11.

See the difference?

As far as the fake image of a plane, done perhaps years after the fact with Photoshop, what's that supposed to prove?

I'm not here to do your ironing for you on all you get twisted around. The purpose of that video was to analyze smoke and explosion anomalies in the PBS video copied from another site. That you see no difference between the poster's underestimation of the duplicity of those who made the film that he was analyzing and malintent to defraud is one example of why I hope you are never called to jury duty. Edit to add: Go to that topic for discussion of that topic beyond the MD-90 plane image at the WTC which you commented on here.

Also edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   19:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: GreyLmist (#207)

No matter how you spin it, the author of the "Smoke and Mirrors" video was peddling no planes, and nowhere did he try to clarify the matter by indicating the footage he was examining was known doctored footage; instead, he tries to use it to show proof of "no planes".

As far as the fake plane image, why should I care about it? Should I care that YOU are trying to pass it off as proof of no planes, even though it's not an image from 9/11?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   19:34:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: FormerLurker (#206)

So you're saying that video is fake then, right? All those witnesses viewing what was happening are lying too, right? Where is your PROOF of this GL?

Don't know if they were lying outright. Could be that some saw props falling from the Towers and thought they were people.

And BTW, you had made a general statement to Ricky saying that there was NO SMOKE coming from any window where people were standing. I proved you wrong.

No, I didn't use the word "any". What I said was: "There is no smoke coming out of the openings where the alleged jumpers are seen, Ricky."

That response was in reference to my video. I hadn't even seen your video at the time but it sure doesn't prove that actual non-coughing people were in smoke coming from those windows. It does show a cloth-waving figure in a window with no smoke.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   19:56:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: FormerLurker (#208)

No matter how you spin it, the author of the "Smoke and Mirrors" video was peddling no planes, and nowhere did he try to clarify the matter by indicating the footage he was examining was known doctored footage; instead, he tries to use it to show proof of "no planes".

As far as the fake plane image, why should I care about it? Should I care that YOU are trying to pass it off as proof of no planes, even though it's not an image from 9/11?

Go to the Smoke and Mirrors topic with your wild accusations. I don't know what else you're talking about and don't think you do either.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   20:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: titorite, FormerLurker, *Post Of The Day*, *9-11* (#172)

I find your willing use of those dirty tactics to be just awful. No truther would do that. Doing so invalidates credibility. Truthers want to talk about the truth no matter what it might be .... they do not attempt to distract others from speaking about what may be an uncomfortable truth.

Exactly.


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-14   21:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent, Twenty Twelve, RickyJ, tom007 (#211) (Edited)

Are you that blind and stupid that you can't see HE'S the one doing the very thing he's ACCUSING me of, where HE'S changing the subject, and then blaming me for what he's done?

Or are you on "his team", eh wud? Were you ever really on the side of truth, or were you around us to trick us into thinking you were...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-15   9:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: GreyLmist (#210)

Go to the Smoke and Mirrors topic with your wild accusations. I don't know what else you're talking about and don't think you do either.

Up yours. You pulled it out here on this thread, and after you've had your ass handed to you, all of a sudden you "want to take it to the other thread".

As far as "what else I'm talking about", apparently you have a VERY short memory.

I was talking about that fake image you're so infatuated with. You know, the one with the fake plane near the WTC, that you keep jumping up and down with all over the forum.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-15   9:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: titorite, *9-11* (#172) (Edited)

I find your willing use of those dirty tactics to be just awful. No truther would do that. Doing so invalidates credibility. Truthers want to talk about the truth no matter what it might be .... they do not attempt to distract others from speaking about what may be an uncomfortable truth.

Uh huh. For one, you aren't a 9/11 truther since you insist on spreading lies and disinfo. You refuse to accept when you're wrong, and refuse to take actual evidence into consideration if it deflates your "no planes" balloon.

For two, I have you pegged as a shill since you do the very things you list as disinfo tactics, while blaming your victims for your own crimes.

It's pretty sad that you've been able to trick some people here on the forum into thinking you're some sort of "patriot". I'm glad I'm not one of them, and hopefully, those who have befriended you won't suffer any consequence from their error in judgement.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-15   9:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: All (#214) (Edited)

Myself, I have better things to do with my time than to engage in circular arguments with shills and idiots.

If you want to believe fairies knocked down the towers, that all the victims were in cahoots with news moguls to kill 3000 Americans that day (including themeselves), and that all news media aired fake attacks which never happened, and that all of the first responders, bystanders, and news media employees were in on it too, along with the airports, airlines, and the families of these "non- existent" victims, well hey, who am I to pop your bubble.

Rational minds will see through the "smoke and mirrors" you have erected. Those who can't see through it are a lost cause anyways.

Unfortunately, you'll drive away a good share of people who would come to this forum for new evidence or facts pertaining to the subject, and perhaps convince a few of them that the good guys are really the bad guys, and that you yourselves are snow white "9/11 researchers", reinforcing the perception a good number of people already have that 9/11 "truthers" are crackpots and lunatics.

My only satisfaction here is that there exists such a thing called "Karma", and that it is universal in nature, and can't be fooled or tricked. Those who are knowlingly perpetuating lies and disinformation WILL be dealt with appropriately for their deeds, and those who are doing it out of stupidity or lack of reason will perhaps suffer a milder form of retribution, if there's any forgiveness to be had for those who do things blindly.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-15   9:40:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#215)

Still waiting for that list of witnesses you keep talking about.


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-15   10:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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