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Title: NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
Source: Prison Planet Forum
URL Source: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=945.50;wap2
Published: Aug 1, 2008
Author: Morgan Rose
Post Date: 2012-10-06 10:54:21 by FormerLurker
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Views: 16323
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COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing movements. These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted movement.

Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur operations. Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”.

While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements . See a problem here?

Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects, academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others.

Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501 (c) 3, or “nonprofit” status, However, recent investigations conducted by concerned donors have uncovered that her “foundation” does not retain “nonprofit” status with the IRS. In fact, more rigorous inquires have obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants. “Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple complaints with the FTC and IRS.

Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League, Citigroup, and The National Security Council. 3BDigital boasts to have partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defense contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own theories.

The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations of COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified. WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD.

Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods. Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”.

So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors, major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane” pseudo-movement?

The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas, before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been fully exposed: the pyschological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel. Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly begs the question: does it get any more transparent? Subscribe to *9-11*

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#186. To: RickyJ (#181)

Do you think those windows were so thick and strong that the people suffocating inside due to the smoke could not break them with any and all objects at their disposal? If they weren't already blown apart in the explosion they most certainly were smashed apart by the survivors. Some people didn’t jump, they were pushed by the crowd trying to get some fresh air. Too many eye witnesses and videos of it have been put into the public domain for it to have been faked, and why would they want to fake it?

There is no smoke coming out of the openings where the alleged jumpers are seen, Ricky. Repeating a lie in the public domain doesn't make it the truth. The purpose was to shock and awe us into Warmania.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:39:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: RickyJ (#181)

What it comes down to Ricky is that these folks are about the same as flat earthers, where no matter what you try to say them to show that the earth is a sphere, thus it can't be flat, they'll insist they're right and you're wrong.

They'd probably insist that since maps are flat the world has to be flat too.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: GreyLmist (#184)

The point is that they were doing nothing to provide anything as a potential life-saving measure

Short of helicopter rescue, nothing could be done to save those people. There's nothing that could have been done from the ground.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:41:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: FormerLurker (#182)

then maybe threre's a news report somewhere about a McDonnell Douglas MD- 90 flying so near the WTC's restricted airspace. Go find us such a report, FL

Why should I? Are you claiming that picture was taken on the morning of 9/11? Then YOU find a link which indicates that picture WAS taken on 9/11.

No, I'm not claiming that picture was taken on the morning of 9/11 or any other time. You claimed that it was an image of a plane near the WTC but wasn't claimed to be an actual image from the morning of 9/11. So, prove your claim that it was an image of plane near the WTC restricted airspace, whenever.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:45:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#186) (Edited)

There is no smoke coming out of the openings where the alleged jumpers are seen, Ricky. Repeating a lie in the public domain doesn't make it the truth.

Liar. Right at 2:56 of the video I've already posted several times on this thread, it CLEARLY shows people standing in windows with smoke pouring out.

Like you said, repeating a lie doesn't make it true.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: FormerLurker (#187)

What it comes down to Ricky is that these folks are about the same as flat earthers, where no matter what you try to say them to show that the earth is a sphere, thus it can't be flat, they'll insist they're right and you're wrong.

I was thinking the same of you recently.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: GreyLmist (#189)

You claimed that it was an image of a plane near the WTC but wasn't claimed to be an actual image from the morning of 9/11

I said it was not an image from 9/11. I also said earlier on that it could have been a dramatization or an outright doctored image.

If you'd like I can find the post where you acknowledged those words, back on the previous thread.

Your disinfo games are falling apart GL, you're not getting your bonus this week.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: GreyLmist (#191) (Edited)

You are flinging whatever shit you can pull out of the latrine and seeing what sticks.

It's obvious you're getting desperate. Has your boss scolded you for not doing a better job?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: FormerLurker (#188) (Edited)

Short of helicopter rescue, nothing could be done to save those people.

And the firemen weren't doing that either. Tell us about that non-coughing stationary figure with their head in the smoke, FL.

Edited for spelling and quoted section for brevity.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:53:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: GreyLmist (#194)

And the firemen weren't doing that either. Tell us about that non-coughing stationary figure with their head in the smoke,

The firemen weren't pilots. So what's that supposed to prove?

I have no idea of what "no-coughing" stationary figure you're talking about, please be more specific.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   17:55:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: GreyLmist (#185)

No, I am very much not a Neocon. I am a Constitutionalist.

I think the biggest problem in the USA is peoples ignorance of the constitution and the masses unwillingness to insist upon adherence to it.

This is the real reason we are in civil war.... The military and political leaders do not insist upon following constitutional law.... instead they see the constitution as nothing but in encumbrance to how they wish to run the system.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   17:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: FormerLurker (#192)

I also said earlier on that it could have been a dramatization or an outright doctored image.

Not here you didn't but that'll do to settle the matter without you having to go hunt up a report for us on a McDonnell MD-90 in the WTC's restricted airspace, whenevah.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   17:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: FormerLurker (#195)

The firemen weren't pilots. So what's that supposed to prove?

HEy, firemen aren't demolition experts either , yet the OTC says they can plant charges and pull buildings with little to no warning or prep....

So whats that supposed to prove?

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   18:00:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: GreyLmist (#197)

On your "smoke and mirrors" thread not only did I prove that the PBS source footage was doctored CBS footage, but that the person who authored the "smoke and mirrors" video HAD to have known that what he was "analysing" was simply doctored footage from the original CBS footage, yet he presented it as if it were evidence of "no planes".

I ALSO replied to you on that thread in response to you posting ANOTHER PBS 9/11 documentary video, as if it were somehow going to be proof of anything, where it briefly flashed an image of what you're hammering away at here.

In that reply, I told you how not only is it irrelevant in regards to 9/11, since not only is it either a fake made for dramatization, or one made to get folks like you all riled up, but that PBS has ALREADY been caught airing doctored footage.

It proves that PBS is in on this "no plane" hoax, and that it causes people such as yourself to pound your chests and declare that you have "proof" the networks conspired to kill 3000 Americans that day and make it look like planes were hijacked, and that all of the people on the street and adjacent office buildins were somehow in on this scheme, since none of them have came forward declaring that what they saw isn't what was shown on TV.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   18:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: titorite (#198)

HEy, firemen aren't demolition experts either , yet the OTC says they can plant charges and pull buildings with little to no warning or prep....

So whats that supposed to prove?

Your handler was trying to say because the firemen didn't run to find a helicopter, it must be a fake video, since they didn't fly.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   18:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: titorite (#196) (Edited)

I think the biggest problem in the USA is peoples ignorance of the constitution and the masses unwillingness to insist upon adherence to it.

This is the real reason we are in civil war.... The military and political leaders do not insist upon following constitutional law.... instead they see the constitution as nothing but in encumbrance to how they wish to run the system.

They're not really our rulers. They've seceded from our Constitutional Republic.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   18:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: FormerLurker (#199) (Edited)

Is there anything you don't twist beyond recognition? You were told repeatedly before that topic that the film was a media alteration. The documentary showed that it was a PBS alteration and not footage altered by the video poster. You claimed here that the MD-90 plane image in question was of a plane near the WTC, rather than the media manipulated insert that it undoubtedly was. Go make your false claims about the Smoke and Mirrors topic in that topic.

Forgot to note that I edited this post and am not sure now why I did.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   18:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: titorite (#198)

FL: The firemen weren't pilots. So what's that supposed to prove?

titorite: HEy, firemen aren't demolition experts either , yet the OTC says they can plant charges and pull buildings with little to no warning or prep....

So whats that supposed to prove?

Good point, titorite.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   18:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ, All (#190)

My response to RickyJ is traceable to the video I posted where the MSM photos show no smoke coming from the openings where the alleged people are standing, not your video where you claim not to notice any non-coughing stationary figure with their head in the smoke. If anybody else can't see that, let's hear it but I expect you're the only one, FL.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   18:50:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: GreyLmist (#202)

You were told repeatedly before that topic that the film was a media alteration.

Yes the PBS documentary contained doctored footage, we agree. HOWEVER, the "Smoke and Mirrors" author presents it as ACTUAL footage from 9/11.

See the difference?

As far as the fake image of a plane, done perhaps years after the fact with Photoshop, what's that supposed to prove?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   18:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#204)

My response to RickyJ is traceable to the video I posted where the MSM photos show no smoke coming from the openings where the alleged people are standing, not your video where you claim not to notice any non-coughing stationary figure with their head in the smoke.

You really ARE a piece of work aren't you. So you're saying that video is fake then, right? All those witnesses viewing what was happening are lying too, right? Where is your PROOF of this GL?

And BTW, you had made a general statement to Ricky saying that there was NO SMOKE coming from any window where people were standing. I proved you wrong.

You can't even own up to that can you.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   18:54:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: FormerLurker (#205) (Edited)

Yes the PBS documentary contained doctored footage, we agree. HOWEVER, the "Smoke and Mirrors" author presents it as ACTUAL footage from 9/11.

See the difference?

As far as the fake image of a plane, done perhaps years after the fact with Photoshop, what's that supposed to prove?

I'm not here to do your ironing for you on all you get twisted around. The purpose of that video was to analyze smoke and explosion anomalies in the PBS video copied from another site. That you see no difference between the poster's underestimation of the duplicity of those who made the film that he was analyzing and malintent to defraud is one example of why I hope you are never called to jury duty. Edit to add: Go to that topic for discussion of that topic beyond the MD-90 plane image at the WTC which you commented on here.

Also edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   19:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: GreyLmist (#207)

No matter how you spin it, the author of the "Smoke and Mirrors" video was peddling no planes, and nowhere did he try to clarify the matter by indicating the footage he was examining was known doctored footage; instead, he tries to use it to show proof of "no planes".

As far as the fake plane image, why should I care about it? Should I care that YOU are trying to pass it off as proof of no planes, even though it's not an image from 9/11?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   19:34:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: FormerLurker (#206)

So you're saying that video is fake then, right? All those witnesses viewing what was happening are lying too, right? Where is your PROOF of this GL?

Don't know if they were lying outright. Could be that some saw props falling from the Towers and thought they were people.

And BTW, you had made a general statement to Ricky saying that there was NO SMOKE coming from any window where people were standing. I proved you wrong.

No, I didn't use the word "any". What I said was: "There is no smoke coming out of the openings where the alleged jumpers are seen, Ricky."

That response was in reference to my video. I hadn't even seen your video at the time but it sure doesn't prove that actual non-coughing people were in smoke coming from those windows. It does show a cloth-waving figure in a window with no smoke.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   19:56:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: FormerLurker (#208)

No matter how you spin it, the author of the "Smoke and Mirrors" video was peddling no planes, and nowhere did he try to clarify the matter by indicating the footage he was examining was known doctored footage; instead, he tries to use it to show proof of "no planes".

As far as the fake plane image, why should I care about it? Should I care that YOU are trying to pass it off as proof of no planes, even though it's not an image from 9/11?

Go to the Smoke and Mirrors topic with your wild accusations. I don't know what else you're talking about and don't think you do either.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   20:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: titorite, FormerLurker, *Post Of The Day*, *9-11* (#172)

I find your willing use of those dirty tactics to be just awful. No truther would do that. Doing so invalidates credibility. Truthers want to talk about the truth no matter what it might be .... they do not attempt to distract others from speaking about what may be an uncomfortable truth.

Exactly.


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-14   21:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent, Twenty Twelve, RickyJ, tom007 (#211) (Edited)

Are you that blind and stupid that you can't see HE'S the one doing the very thing he's ACCUSING me of, where HE'S changing the subject, and then blaming me for what he's done?

Or are you on "his team", eh wud? Were you ever really on the side of truth, or were you around us to trick us into thinking you were...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-15   9:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: GreyLmist (#210)

Go to the Smoke and Mirrors topic with your wild accusations. I don't know what else you're talking about and don't think you do either.

Up yours. You pulled it out here on this thread, and after you've had your ass handed to you, all of a sudden you "want to take it to the other thread".

As far as "what else I'm talking about", apparently you have a VERY short memory.

I was talking about that fake image you're so infatuated with. You know, the one with the fake plane near the WTC, that you keep jumping up and down with all over the forum.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-15   9:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: titorite, *9-11* (#172) (Edited)

I find your willing use of those dirty tactics to be just awful. No truther would do that. Doing so invalidates credibility. Truthers want to talk about the truth no matter what it might be .... they do not attempt to distract others from speaking about what may be an uncomfortable truth.

Uh huh. For one, you aren't a 9/11 truther since you insist on spreading lies and disinfo. You refuse to accept when you're wrong, and refuse to take actual evidence into consideration if it deflates your "no planes" balloon.

For two, I have you pegged as a shill since you do the very things you list as disinfo tactics, while blaming your victims for your own crimes.

It's pretty sad that you've been able to trick some people here on the forum into thinking you're some sort of "patriot". I'm glad I'm not one of them, and hopefully, those who have befriended you won't suffer any consequence from their error in judgement.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-15   9:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: All (#214) (Edited)

Myself, I have better things to do with my time than to engage in circular arguments with shills and idiots.

If you want to believe fairies knocked down the towers, that all the victims were in cahoots with news moguls to kill 3000 Americans that day (including themeselves), and that all news media aired fake attacks which never happened, and that all of the first responders, bystanders, and news media employees were in on it too, along with the airports, airlines, and the families of these "non- existent" victims, well hey, who am I to pop your bubble.

Rational minds will see through the "smoke and mirrors" you have erected. Those who can't see through it are a lost cause anyways.

Unfortunately, you'll drive away a good share of people who would come to this forum for new evidence or facts pertaining to the subject, and perhaps convince a few of them that the good guys are really the bad guys, and that you yourselves are snow white "9/11 researchers", reinforcing the perception a good number of people already have that 9/11 "truthers" are crackpots and lunatics.

My only satisfaction here is that there exists such a thing called "Karma", and that it is universal in nature, and can't be fooled or tricked. Those who are knowlingly perpetuating lies and disinformation WILL be dealt with appropriately for their deeds, and those who are doing it out of stupidity or lack of reason will perhaps suffer a milder form of retribution, if there's any forgiveness to be had for those who do things blindly.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-15   9:40:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#215)

Still waiting for that list of witnesses you keep talking about.


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-15   10:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: FormerLurker (#213)

that fake image ... the one with the fake plane near the WTC

I don't know what else you were going on about in that post either but if you had said the above from your first comment on that subject here, which I wasn't discussing until then, this thread would be shorter because I wouldn't have inquired anything of you about it as to evidence or clarification.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-15   13:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: FormerLurker (#214) (Edited)

Uh huh. For one, you aren't a 9/11 truther since you insist on spreading lies and disinfo. You refuse to accept when you're wrong, and refuse to take actual evidence into consideration if it deflates your "no planes" balloon.

For two, I have you pegged as a shill since you do the very things you list as disinfo tactics, while blaming your victims for your own crimes.

It's pretty sad that you've been able to trick some people here on the forum into thinking you're some sort of "patriot". I'm glad I'm not one of them, and hopefully, those who have befriended you won't suffer any consequence from their error in judgement.

All that you have proven is your own stupidity.

I am alot of things. A husband, a father, a healer, ....A drunk, a hothead, a mess... alot of things.

Shill is not one of them.

So many people here can personally testify to that. So it is not a big deal to me in spite of your repetitive naziesq attempt at repeating a lie to convince people.

The only thing I would ever try to convince anyone of, is the truth. I don't know you from adam FL.... We have not had the pleasure to meet in person. Nor have we corresponded by snail mail. I have however, met and corresponded with many other members here... I am an activist type of guy.

Part of that activism was years of my life invested into watching and re-watching the events of that day on my recordings and sharing my findings and insights with others... Years of my life learning about aerodynamics, structural engineering, the us government, it's history ,and so on and so forth.... to learn the truth of the matter means to learn alot more too!

Worst of all was learning about people like yourself. You are not a shill. You are not anyone special. You are former Lurker. Just some dude that hangs out on some of the same internet websites that I do... However I think you let the propaganda control you. Do you type with an AM radio on in the backround? I mean you accuse me of the things you are guilty of... you project yourself and your failings onto others...you should do some introspection. Maybe learn a bit more about all that you can. May Be you are wrong and find that too humiliating to accept...... who knows.

I hope you overcome the propaganda.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-15   13:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: GreyLmist (#217)

I don't know what else you were going on about in that post either but if you had said the above from your first comment on that subject here, which I wasn't discussing until then

You had just posted to me about that fake image from your PBS documentary, asking me to provide evidence that there was a MD90 or whatever in the vicinity of the WTC. I had said it's your responsibility to prove the image is real, not mine. I had already said it was a fake, many times.

Thing is, you pull it out of your butt trying to sell it as proof of no planes, where you wouldn't even concede the fact that it was fake, and has no basis on 9/11 events since there's no indication that it was ever claimed to be taken on 9/11.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-15   14:08:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: titorite (#218)

I have however, met and corresponded with many other members here... I am an activist type of guy.

Just as so many other groups have been infiltrated, it was just a matter of time before someone decided it was time to do it with 4um members.

You haven't fooled me titorite, and your antics on these threads confirm my suspicions about you.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-15   14:11:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: wudidiz (#216)

Still waiting for that list of witnesses you keep talking about.

Look up the names of 9/11 survivors, be they office workers, firemen, or policemen. Look up the names of the myraid number of reporters and camera operators who were there.

Call them and ask them if they are lying.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-15   14:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#222. To: FormerLurker (#220)

Just as so many other groups have been infiltrated, it was just a matter of time before someone decided it was time to do it with 4um members.

You haven't fooled me titorite, and your antics on these threads confirm my suspicions about you.

I'm glad I have not fooled you and yet you still appear to remain the fool.

4um infiltrated.... as if we are some sort of paramilitary threat or retain rights to oil or some shit....

This is a public website.

Not a clandestine organisation.

Free your mind.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-15   14:21:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: FormerLurker (#219) (Edited)

Your post is erratic flailing. I have never tried to imply that the MD-90 image was real or proof of no planes. It is indicative of Media Fakery, which you at first tried to excuse away in the topic of those discussions as just a dramatization, even though there were numerous dramatic WTC "plane" imageries of 9/11 that could have been used instead. You referred to it here as if it was a plane image near the WTC but not attributed to that particular day. So, I asked you for evidence of a plane in WTC restricted airspace at some other time that might explain it as you had commented. Let's just agree that the image is evidentiary of Media Fakery and move on now from that communications glitch.

Edited for spelling + to reword 1st, 3rd and last sentences.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-15   14:49:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: FormerLurker (#221)

Look up the names of 9/11 survivors, be they office workers, firemen, or policemen. Look up the names of the myraid number of reporters and camera operators who were there.

Call them and ask them if they are lying.

Pack your bags, we're goin on a guilt trip.

Can't you even name one?


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-15   15:40:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: wudidiz (#224)

If you want to ride the disinfo boat and pretend not one of the millions of people of NYC are valid witnesses, and that the passengers of the doomed flights never existed, that all of those involved in the news rooms, production staff, and on-scene reporters and camera crews, along with first responders, bystanders, and victims, along with the passengers, flight crews, airlines, airports, and air traffic controllers, were all part of a conspiracy hatched to fool the public that planes hit the towers, while killing 3000 Americans that day (or don't you think ANYONE was killed), well who am I to pop your bubble.

Go on thinking whatever it is you want to believe wududiz, I really don't care.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-15   16:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#226. To: FormerLurker (#225)

I really don't care.

You say that and yet you delusionally cling on to this subject with sociopathic obsession ....

I am sure wudidiz cares.. I know I do... as does GreylMist.... we all care very much.. it is only our care that sustains us when interacting with folks such as yourself FL....

It is not Disinfo because you declare it so.

In fact only the enemy makes broad sweeping generalisations of declerations... The mission is NOT accomplished. We SHOULD tolerate outragous conspiracy theories ..... WE DO ALLY OURSELVES AGAINST THE ENEMIES OF TRUTH!

We care,.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-15   16:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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