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Title: NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
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Published: Aug 1, 2008
Author: Morgan Rose
Post Date: 2012-10-06 10:54:21 by FormerLurker
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COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing movements. These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted movement. Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur operations. Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”. While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements . See a problem here? Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects, academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others. Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501 (c) 3, or “nonprofit” status, However, recent investigations conducted by concerned donors have uncovered that her “foundation” does not retain “nonprofit” status with the IRS. In fact, more rigorous inquires have obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants. “Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple complaints with the FTC and IRS. Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League, Citigroup, and The National Security Council. 3BDigital boasts to have partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defense contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own theories. The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations of COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified. WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD. Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods. Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”. So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors, major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane” pseudo-movement? The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas, before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been fully exposed: the pyschological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel. Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly begs the question: does it get any more transparent?
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#221. To: wudidiz (#216)
Look up the names of 9/11 survivors, be they office workers, firemen, or policemen. Look up the names of the myraid number of reporters and camera operators who were there. Call them and ask them if they are lying. You haven't fooled me titorite, and your antics on these threads confirm my suspicions about you. I'm glad I have not fooled you and yet you still appear to remain the fool. 4um infiltrated.... as if we are some sort of paramilitary threat or retain rights to oil or some shit.... This is a public website. Not a clandestine organisation. Free your mind. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
Your post is erratic flailing. I have never tried to imply that the MD-90 image was real or proof of no planes. It is indicative of Media Fakery, which you at first tried to excuse away in the topic of those discussions as just a dramatization, even though there were numerous dramatic WTC "plane" imageries of 9/11 that could have been used instead. You referred to it here as if it was a plane image near the WTC but not attributed to that particular day. So, I asked you for evidence of a plane in WTC restricted airspace at some other time that might explain it as you had commented. Let's just agree that the image is evidentiary of Media Fakery and move on now from that communications glitch. Edited for spelling + to reword 1st, 3rd and last sentences. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Call them and ask them if they are lying. Pack your bags, we're goin on a guilt trip. Can't you even name one? If you want to ride the disinfo boat and pretend not one of the millions of people of NYC are valid witnesses, and that the passengers of the doomed flights never existed, that all of those involved in the news rooms, production staff, and on-scene reporters and camera crews, along with first responders, bystanders, and victims, along with the passengers, flight crews, airlines, airports, and air traffic controllers, were all part of a conspiracy hatched to fool the public that planes hit the towers, while killing 3000 Americans that day (or don't you think ANYONE was killed), well who am I to pop your bubble. Go on thinking whatever it is you want to believe wududiz, I really don't care. You say that and yet you delusionally cling on to this subject with sociopathic obsession .... I am sure wudidiz cares.. I know I do... as does GreylMist.... we all care very much.. it is only our care that sustains us when interacting with folks such as yourself FL.... It is not Disinfo because you declare it so. In fact only the enemy makes broad sweeping generalisations of declerations... The mission is NOT accomplished. We SHOULD tolerate outragous conspiracy theories ..... WE DO ALLY OURSELVES AGAINST THE ENEMIES OF TRUTH! We care,. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
No planners don't want to ride the disinfo boat, they are the disinfo boat. They keep posting their nonsense in an effort to make anyone who sees the thread who doesn't know the truth leave and think 9/11 truthers are nuts.
God is always good!
No tit, it is you and your fellow coworkers that won't stop talking about the nonsense of no planes and now no jumpers. If it was my forum all of you would be banned by now.
God is always good!
Care? No it is your paycheck for spreading disinfo that you care about, you care nothing about the truth of 9/11. God is always good!
That was accomplished a long time ago with BeAChooser. Not sure what happened to that guy, probably moved on to a site that had more traffic. God is always good!
You really are that dumb! I don't agree with Former Lurker on many things, but on 9/11 he is spot on. Spreading disinfo as you are doing is keeping the hoax alive. Real 9/11 truthers don't try to use illogical arguments to proclaim a very unlikely scenario the truth! God is always good!
I wasn't talking about online. There have been shills here since before I even signed up for 4um. BAC was just a refugee from ElPee who was trying to keep his persona across differenet forums pretending to be a "sincere poster", even though everyone knew he was a shill. No, I'm talking about something different. What it is that they're trying to do besides drive away readers is to exhaust those they see as a threat to their agenda. They've been tag teaming me for weeks now, then THEY yell "disinfo" and claim themselves to be "caring" of 9/11 Truth. Thanks, I think? :) I can see you're very attached to the idea that there were planes, but why is it that you can't name one witness? Why should I have to go to new york and interview people there? Doesn't the gov't have a list of eyewitnesses? Does anyone? I mean, this was a serious event... didn't anyone take names of witnesses that say they saw a plane? I certainly would have had I been in charge. You'd think it'd be on the internet somewhere and that someone as convinced as yourself would have seen it. My goodness.
Do you have even ONE witness who'll testify as to what YOU claim? Anyone from a news agency, a reporter, a camera man, bystander, survivor, fireman, airport worker, airline employee, family member, ANYONE? Were ALL those people "in on it"? I've shown you a clip of live coverage and interviews from 9/11, THOSE are but some of the witnesses. And they ALL said people were jumping. Are you also saying that there WERE no jumpers, as your pals are saying? where? Thats a cute smiley face and all but I think RickyJ is a guy.... Getting older too.... how do those mid late 20s look? RIcky J I mean... I know he aint the young teen no more..... Also how you responded to RickyJs post twice... The same exact fucking post... Spam much? You're not a dis info agent asshole... stop using their play book That is what I talked about when I said "To use the disinformation tactics is to live by it." Here RickyJ is on your side and your all "thanks I think?" DUDE.. don't snipe him... he is all you got. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
I suppose you would not fight for my right to say what I need to say even if you disagreed with what I had to say. Thats a damn shame because even though I am an Anarchist I totally agree with the first amendment of the US constitution and the right of freespeech and the upmost paramount importance of allowing and even defending and protecting your say.... even when I disagree with it. Thank goodness the forum owner is a hardline free speech advocate. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
I posted the clip several times on this thread. It was the clip concerning the jumpers, go back and wade through the spam your pals have been spewing on this thread and find it, I posted it to you directly, so it shouldn't be too difficult. Oh yeah, your friend titorite remarked that he thought it was "cool" that people were getting splattered on the ground below. BTW wudidiz, do you agree with your no plane brethren that the jumpers were "faked", and that "Israeli art students" were tossing dummies off the towers instead? Do you feel as GreyLmist, that the entrance holes and people standing in the broken windows were really filmed at a studio in Hollywood? Me at #163: Likely that many wouldn't have really been killed that day by plane-attack illusions -- which would make it more likely for some accomplices to agree to do their part in staging and promoting the attack scenarios. However, many more than that have died since in the Wars because of the 9/11 hoax that you are perpetuating. [YouTube video] Where are the 9/11 Victims? - Social Security Death Index (SSDI) research RickyJ at #231: You really are that dumb! I don't agree with Former Lurker on many things, but on 9/11 he is spot on. Spreading disinfo as you are doing is keeping the hoax alive. Real 9/11 truthers don't try to use illogical arguments to proclaim a very unlikely scenario the truth! RickyJ posted at 4um on March 2, 2012 re: alleged Flt. 93 in Shanksville, PA FL thinks there was no Flt. 77 at the Pentagon. Both of you are evidently semi-No Planers but act as WTC Gatekeeper zealots for the perps in New York and as sci-fi storytellers there of a limited hangout -- working to keep enough of the legendary plane-strike scenarios hobbling along among the public as a cover story for all that's transpired since with the foreign Wars and Police State constructions here. To that end you are even willing to proclaim a remote control techno-belief system with physics-defying and aeronautical-defying capabilities -- disinfo very closely in step with likewise unscientific official lines about the 9/11 hoax. Yet, you alternate between that plane-prop implausibility and invoking the sciences/scientific method as if they actually support your hypothesis about it but, logically speaking, they don't really. Remote control doesn't make planes exempt from ground effects, or able to exceed their structural speed limits, nor glide easily into buildings rather than breaking apart on the outside. You have stalled the 9/11 Truth Movement for over a decade with your dictatorial and evidenceless remote control rut that goes nowhere. Why? Because you are 9/11 Marketeers and group-think enforcers, not representatives of 9/11 Truthseekers. Edited sentence 2. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You're like talking to a brick wall. I showed you where to go to see how the entrance holes could have been rigged, even in the shape of a plane. [Edit to add: Click here again.] Now tell us why there are no coughing, smoke-exposed people in your video. [Edit to add: Where do you see broken windows there?] And those buildings were nearly a quarter mile high. People believing they saw jumpers at a distance isn't evidence of real jumpers. But here's what passes for evidence of someone supposedly killed by a jumper falling on them: 9-11 Pic: "Fr. Mychal Judge", alleged casualty Edited for grammar + sentence 2 rewording + 2 bracketed inserts. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I posted the clip several times on this thread. It was the clip concerning the jumpers, go back and wade through the spam your pals have been spewing on this thread and find it, I posted it to you directly, so it shouldn't be too difficult. That's your evidence of planes hitting the wtc? A video taken with news audio in the background? You heard that people saw it on tv so it must be true? Wow. How convincing. /s . South Tower Anomalies III - Addressing the Debunkers ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
This is a copy of your video at Post #190, FL. Try to stop-frame it from 7:28-7:29 and tell me if you see the tail of the plane image vanish, then turn downward. 9-11: People Jumping from World Trade Center (Warning: Graphic) ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
See that makes you a bold faced liar. But I think you already knew that. I mean thats well beyond twisting my words. That is just you being a lying shmuck. Cool video bro does not equal cool people dying. You are a villain expecting others to believe your lies through repetition. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
Below is a copy of the CBS footage at #68 of the Smoke and Mirrors topic. It was posted for trajectory comparison but got no comment there: Paraphrased post-excerpts: [That MSM 9/11 video] shows the plane appearing from behind the Empire State Building at 2:38 and 3:33. [Compare those impact-trajectory clips] to the trajectory that Bryant Gumble describes at 8:26 as "a different angle of the same plane." Question: How different is the trajectory and impact example at 8:26? Edited for formatting. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
No, nothing vanishes or turns downward. Try to accept the fact that you are wrong and that planes hit the towers. God is always good!
Keep on trolling. No facts or logic so you must troll.
God is always good!
Uh huh. At minimum, it was a mindless coldhearted response to a video which showed people jumping to their deaths. That's why I responded to you the way I did in the subsequent response to you. Yep, seems like you and your friends certainly ARE trying to shift the blame away from the guilty, by making all 9/11 researchers appear to be lunatics and crackpots. Keep it up, I'm sure you'll be rewarded, one way or the other. Clearly. That's why I responded to you the way I did in the subsequent response to you. No, it was a lie, you lied. You told a lie and now you are compounding the lie attempting to justify it by vilifying me. Not logical nor honest. Nor is it anything to do with the subject at hand which is no planes at the pentagon! JK ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
You did not watch it. For all you know their is a single frame of pornography spliced into the 7:28-7:29 frame. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
And that IS what you are trying to discredit isn't it, anything to do with scientific evidence pertaining to what really happened there on the morning of 9/11/2001. Lump your bat shit crazy theories of network media collusion in producing all the 9/11 footage of the WTC attacks in Hollywood, fake victims, fake jumpers, fake entrance holes, etc. with actual scientific data proving a 757 COULDN'T have performed as described at the Pentagon, in order to bury that info. But again, you thought a video of people jumping to their deaths from the WTC towers on the morning of 9/11 was a "cool video". I can think of many ways to describe it, but that wouldn't be one of them. So now you claim that I'm lying, yet you can't quite say what exactly it is I'm lying about. It's obvious that you are here to disrupt, and anyone reading this thread, amongst other threads, should be able to see that. It wouldn't matter since the doctored video is DOCTORED VIDEO.
Did you watch the right one? Apparently you haven't. Look at the one which includes witness inteviews on the scene, along with all the other footage within that video. It's a hell of a lot more than what you callously describe. And no, it's not anything about "planes hitting the wtc", it's about the unfortunate souls who jumped to their deaths to escape the fires. Your comrades are saying that nobody died jumping from the WTC, that what people were seeing was actually stage props that "someone" was tossing from the windows. Hey, maybe it was the Easter Bunny doing it, right? And that IS what you are trying to discredit isn't it, anything to do with scientific evidence pertaining to what really happened there on the morning of 9/11/2001. Lump your bat shit crazy theories of network media collusion in producing all the 9/11 footage of the WTC attacks in Hollywood, fake victims, fake jumpers, fake entrance holes, etc. with actual scientific data proving a 757 COULDN'T have performed as described at the Pentagon, in order to bury that info. But again, you thought a video of people jumping to their deaths from the WTC towers on the morning of 9/11 was a "cool video". I can think of many ways to describe it, but that wouldn't be one of them. So now you claim that I'm lying, yet you can't quite say what exactly it is I'm lying about. It's obvious that you are here to disrupt, and anyone reading this thread, amongst other threads, should be able to see that. I noticed you edited out the JK I posted right after the end of the quoted sentence. Why did you omit that? What was the point of the manipulation? How many lies are you going to make up and repeat before you understand that we don't forget. Their is no limit to the memory of the internet. What did you lie about quite specifically? Do you really need your memory refreshed so recently? .............in post 240 you said: Oh yeah, your friend titorite remarked that he thought it was "cool" that people were getting splattered on the ground below. ............ I did not remark that I thought is was "cool" that people were splattering on the ground. I specifically said "cool video bro" .... You have attempted here in the t post, to connect and attribute extra stuff I did not say or feel. You seek to attach inhumanity to me Deceiver. You lie. You are lying to make your case. Shame on you. That is not what truthers do. That is how you lose your own humanity. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
No matter how you spin it, you responded to a video of people jumping to deaths, with "cool video". I'm not your "bro" by the way. So are you on the same page as your cohort, where you believe that nobody jumped to their deaths that morning, it was all done in Hollywood, or somebody was tossing stage props out the windows of the WTC?
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestStill waiting for that list of witnesses you keep talking about.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#222. To: FormerLurker (#220)
Just as so many other groups have been infiltrated, it was just a matter of time before someone decided it was time to do it with 4um members.
#223. To: FormerLurker (#219)
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#224. To: FormerLurker (#221)
Look up the names of 9/11 survivors, be they office workers, firemen, or policemen. Look up the names of the myraid number of reporters and camera operators who were there.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#225. To: wudidiz (#224)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#226. To: FormerLurker (#225)
I really don't care.
#227. To: FormerLurker (#225)
#228. To: titorite (#226)
#229. To: titorite (#226)
I am sure wudidiz cares.. I know I do... as does GreylMist.... we all care very much.. it is only our care that sustains us when interacting with folks such as yourself FL....
#230. To: FormerLurker (#220)
Just as so many other groups have been infiltrated, it was just a matter of time before someone decided it was time to do it with 4um members.
#231. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#163)
However, many more than that have died since in the Wars because of the 9/11 hoax that you are perpetuating.
#232. To: RickyJ (#230)
That was accomplished a long time ago with BeAChooser. Not sure what happened to that guy, probably moved on to a site that had more traffic.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#233. To: RickyJ (#231)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#234. To: RickyJ (#231)
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I don't agree with Former Lurker on many things, but on 9/11 he is spot on.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#235. To: FormerLurker (#225)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#236. To: wudidiz (#235)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#237. To: FormerLurker (#236)
clip of live coverage and interviews from 9/11, THOSE are but some of the witnesses.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#238. To: FormerLurker (#234)
(Edited)
Thanks, I think? :)
#239. To: RickyJ (#228)
If it was my forum all of you would be banned by now.
#240. To: wudidiz (#237)
(Edited)
where?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#241. To: wudidiz (#237)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#242. To: RickyJ, FormerLurker (#231)
(Edited)
FormerLurker at #154: this "no plane" scheme designed to kill 3000 Americans that day?
I always wondered about this one. Nothing about it makes much sense unless it was all planned this way. That is there was no one on the plane and that the whole thing was staged. The "let's roll" all staged with the plane being shot out of the sky to cover for the fact that no one was on the damn plane.
#243. To: FormerLurker (#241)
(Edited)
Do you feel as GreyLmist, that the entrance holes and people standing in the broken windows were really filmed at a studio in Hollywood?
#244. To: FormerLurker, *No Planers* (#240)
where?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#245. To: RickyJ, titorite, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, christine, all, *9-11* (#228)
No tit, it is you and your fellow coworkers that won't stop talking about the nonsense of no planes and now no jumpers. If it was my forum all of you would be banned by now.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#246. To: All, *No Planers* (#243)
#247. To: FormerLurker, *9-11*, *No Planers* (#190)
#248. To: FormerLurker (#240)
Oh yeah, your friend titorite remarked that he thought it was "cool" that people were getting splattered on the ground below.
#249. To: All, *9-11* (#247)
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1. Very different
2. Slightly different due to camera position only
3. There is no significant difference
#250. To: GreyLmist (#247)
Try to stop-frame it from 7:28-7:29 and tell me if you see the tail of the plane image vanish, then turn downward.
#251. To: wudidiz (#245)
#252. To: titorite (#248)
Cool video bro does not equal cool people dying
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#253. To: wudidiz, RickyJ, titorite, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, christine, all, *9-11* (#245)
Bush speech
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#254. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker, titorite, all, *9-11* (#247)
This is a copy of your video at Post #190, FL. Try to stop-frame it from 7:28-7:29 and tell me if you see the tail of the plane image vanish, then turn downward.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#255. To: FormerLurker (#252)
(Edited)
Uh huh. At minimum, it was a mindless coldhearted response to a video which showed people jumping to their deaths.
#256. To: RickyJ (#250)
No, nothing vanishes or turns downward. Try to accept the fact that you are wrong and that planes hit the towers.
#257. To: titorite (#255)
Nor is it anything to do with the subject at hand which is no planes at the pentagon!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#258. To: GreyLmist (#249)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#259. To: wudidiz (#244)
That's your evidence of planes hitting the wtc? A video taken with news audio in the background?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#260. To: FormerLurker (#257)
(Edited)
Nor is it anything to do with the subject at hand which is no planes at the pentagon!
#261. To: titorite (#260)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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