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Title: NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
Source: Prison Planet Forum
URL Source: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=945.50;wap2
Published: Aug 1, 2008
Author: Morgan Rose
Post Date: 2012-10-06 10:54:21 by FormerLurker
Ping List: *9-11*     Subscribe to *9-11*
Keywords: None
Views: 19649
Comments: 309

COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing movements. These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted movement.

Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur operations. Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”.

While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements . See a problem here?

Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects, academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others.

Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501 (c) 3, or “nonprofit” status, However, recent investigations conducted by concerned donors have uncovered that her “foundation” does not retain “nonprofit” status with the IRS. In fact, more rigorous inquires have obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants. “Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple complaints with the FTC and IRS.

Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League, Citigroup, and The National Security Council. 3BDigital boasts to have partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defense contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own theories.

The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations of COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified. WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD.

Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods. Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”.

So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors, major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane” pseudo-movement?

The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas, before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been fully exposed: the pyschological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel. Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly begs the question: does it get any more transparent? Subscribe to *9-11*

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#244. To: FormerLurker, *No Planers* (#240)

where?

I posted the clip several times on this thread. It was the clip concerning the jumpers, go back and wade through the spam your pals have been spewing on this thread and find it, I posted it to you directly, so it shouldn't be too difficult.

That's your evidence of planes hitting the wtc? A video taken with news audio in the background? You heard that people saw it on tv so it must be true?

Wow. How convincing. /s


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-16   8:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#245. To: RickyJ, titorite, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, christine, all, *9-11* (#228)

No tit, it is you and your fellow coworkers that won't stop talking about the nonsense of no planes and now no jumpers. If it was my forum all of you would be banned by now.

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"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-16   8:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: All, *No Planers* (#243)

South Tower Anomalies III - Addressing the Debunkers

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-16   9:12:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: FormerLurker, *9-11*, *No Planers* (#190)

This is a copy of your video at Post #190, FL. Try to stop-frame it from 7:28-7:29 and tell me if you see the tail of the plane image vanish, then turn downward.

9-11: People Jumping from World Trade Center (Warning: Graphic)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-16   10:04:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#248. To: FormerLurker (#240)

Oh yeah, your friend titorite remarked that he thought it was "cool" that people were getting splattered on the ground below.

See that makes you a bold faced liar. But I think you already knew that. I mean thats well beyond twisting my words. That is just you being a lying shmuck.

Cool video bro does not equal cool people dying. You are a villain expecting others to believe your lies through repetition.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-16   10:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: All, *9-11* (#247) (Edited)

Below is a copy of the CBS footage at #68 of the Smoke and Mirrors topic. It was posted for trajectory comparison but got no comment there:

CBS 9/11 9:02 - 9:12

Paraphrased post-excerpts: [That MSM 9/11 video] shows the plane appearing from behind the Empire State Building at 2:38 and 3:33. [Compare those impact-trajectory clips] to the trajectory that Bryant Gumble describes at 8:26 as "a different angle of the same plane."

Question: How different is the trajectory and impact example at 8:26?

1. Very different
2. Slightly different due to camera position only
3. There is no significant difference

Edited for formatting.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-16   11:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#250. To: GreyLmist (#247)

Try to stop-frame it from 7:28-7:29 and tell me if you see the tail of the plane image vanish, then turn downward.

No, nothing vanishes or turns downward. Try to accept the fact that you are wrong and that planes hit the towers.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-10-16   14:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#251. To: wudidiz (#245)

Keep on trolling. No facts or logic so you must troll.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-10-16   14:56:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: titorite (#248)

Cool video bro does not equal cool people dying

Uh huh. At minimum, it was a mindless coldhearted response to a video which showed people jumping to their deaths.

That's why I responded to you the way I did in the subsequent response to you.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-16   15:03:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#253. To: wudidiz, RickyJ, titorite, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, christine, all, *9-11* (#245)

Bush speech

Yep, seems like you and your friends certainly ARE trying to shift the blame away from the guilty, by making all 9/11 researchers appear to be lunatics and crackpots.

Keep it up, I'm sure you'll be rewarded, one way or the other.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-16   15:07:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#254. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker, titorite, all, *9-11* (#247)

This is a copy of your video at Post #190, FL. Try to stop-frame it from 7:28-7:29 and tell me if you see the tail of the plane image vanish, then turn downward.

Clearly.


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-16   16:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#255. To: FormerLurker (#252) (Edited)

Uh huh. At minimum, it was a mindless coldhearted response to a video which showed people jumping to their deaths.

That's why I responded to you the way I did in the subsequent response to you.

No, it was a lie, you lied. You told a lie and now you are compounding the lie attempting to justify it by vilifying me.

Not logical nor honest.

Nor is it anything to do with the subject at hand which is no planes at the pentagon! JK

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-16   17:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#256. To: RickyJ (#250)

No, nothing vanishes or turns downward. Try to accept the fact that you are wrong and that planes hit the towers.

You did not watch it.

For all you know their is a single frame of pornography spliced into the 7:28-7:29 frame.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-16   17:06:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#257. To: titorite (#255)

Nor is it anything to do with the subject at hand which is no planes at the pentagon!

And that IS what you are trying to discredit isn't it, anything to do with scientific evidence pertaining to what really happened there on the morning of 9/11/2001.

Lump your bat shit crazy theories of network media collusion in producing all the 9/11 footage of the WTC attacks in Hollywood, fake victims, fake jumpers, fake entrance holes, etc. with actual scientific data proving a 757 COULDN'T have performed as described at the Pentagon, in order to bury that info.

But again, you thought a video of people jumping to their deaths from the WTC towers on the morning of 9/11 was a "cool video". I can think of many ways to describe it, but that wouldn't be one of them.

So now you claim that I'm lying, yet you can't quite say what exactly it is I'm lying about.

It's obvious that you are here to disrupt, and anyone reading this thread, amongst other threads, should be able to see that.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-16   18:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#258. To: GreyLmist (#249)

It wouldn't matter since the doctored video is DOCTORED VIDEO.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-16   19:05:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#259. To: wudidiz (#244)

That's your evidence of planes hitting the wtc? A video taken with news audio in the background?

Did you watch the right one? Apparently you haven't. Look at the one which includes witness inteviews on the scene, along with all the other footage within that video.

It's a hell of a lot more than what you callously describe.

And no, it's not anything about "planes hitting the wtc", it's about the unfortunate souls who jumped to their deaths to escape the fires.

Your comrades are saying that nobody died jumping from the WTC, that what people were seeing was actually stage props that "someone" was tossing from the windows.

Hey, maybe it was the Easter Bunny doing it, right?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-16   19:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: FormerLurker (#257) (Edited)

Nor is it anything to do with the subject at hand which is no planes at the pentagon!

And that IS what you are trying to discredit isn't it, anything to do with scientific evidence pertaining to what really happened there on the morning of 9/11/2001.

Lump your bat shit crazy theories of network media collusion in producing all the 9/11 footage of the WTC attacks in Hollywood, fake victims, fake jumpers, fake entrance holes, etc. with actual scientific data proving a 757 COULDN'T have performed as described at the Pentagon, in order to bury that info.

But again, you thought a video of people jumping to their deaths from the WTC towers on the morning of 9/11 was a "cool video". I can think of many ways to describe it, but that wouldn't be one of them.

So now you claim that I'm lying, yet you can't quite say what exactly it is I'm lying about.

It's obvious that you are here to disrupt, and anyone reading this thread, amongst other threads, should be able to see that.

I noticed you edited out the JK I posted right after the end of the quoted sentence.

Why did you omit that? What was the point of the manipulation? How many lies are you going to make up and repeat before you understand that we don't forget. Their is no limit to the memory of the internet. What did you lie about quite specifically? Do you really need your memory refreshed so recently?

.............in post 240 you said: Oh yeah, your friend titorite remarked that he thought it was "cool" that people were getting splattered on the ground below. ............

I did not remark that I thought is was "cool" that people were splattering on the ground. I specifically said "cool video bro" .... You have attempted here in the t post, to connect and attribute extra stuff I did not say or feel. You seek to attach inhumanity to me Deceiver. You lie. You are lying to make your case. Shame on you. That is not what truthers do. That is how you lose your own humanity.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-16   22:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#261. To: titorite (#260)

No matter how you spin it, you responded to a video of people jumping to deaths, with "cool video".

I'm not your "bro" by the way.

So are you on the same page as your cohort, where you believe that nobody jumped to their deaths that morning, it was all done in Hollywood, or somebody was tossing stage props out the windows of the WTC?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-16   22:05:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: FormerLurker (#261)

No matter how you spin it, you responded to a video of people jumping to deaths, with "cool video".

I'm not your "bro" by the way.

So are you on the same page as your cohort, where you believe that nobody jumped to their deaths that morning, it was all done in Hollywood, or somebody was tossing stage props out the windows of the WTC?

Lurker, you are the one spinning,

You are trying to worm your way out of the spot light of being a bold face manipulative liar.

You lied. You attempted to deceive everyone here in your defamation of my character.

I did not say the stuff you attempted to attribute to me.

I am not spinning anything because the truth needs no spin. The story of the truth does not change.

You have changed your version many times now...

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-16   22:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: titorite (#262)

Like I said many posts ago, I don't have time to argue circular arguments with shills and idiots.

Good luck with your mission, I'm sure you'll be stomping your feet and screaming at the top of your lungs that the Easter Bunny hit the towers with eggs on 9/11, don't know how many people will agree with you, but that's your problem.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-17   0:54:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#264. To: FormerLurker, titorite (#263)

the Easter Bunny hit the towers with eggs on 9/11

Good thing it wasn't on tv or we'd have the painful task of trying to change your mind about that too.


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-17   2:26:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#265. To: FormerLurker (#259)

Did you watch the right one? Apparently you haven't. Look at the one which includes witness inteviews on the scene, along with all the other footage within that video.

After 260 posts can you now just give me afreakin link to these witnesses of which you speak?


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-17   2:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#266. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#258) (Edited)

It wouldn't matter since the doctored video is DOCTORED VIDEO.

What? The video I posted at #249 isn't a 2003 PBS documentary clip that used altered CBS 9/11 footage of the Empire State Building angle. It is actual CBS 9/11 footage and reporting which you can verify with other examples of the timeframe segment that day. The plane-impact trajectory at 8:26 is very different from what was broadcast earlier at 2:38 and 3:33 -- not merely a different camera angle of the same plane.

Edited last sentence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-17   2:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#267. To: RickyJ, wudidiz, titorite, FormerLurker, *9-11* (#250) (Edited)

Me at #247on FL's video copied there from #190: Try to stop-frame it from 7:28-7:29 and tell me if you see the tail of the plane image vanish, then turn downward.

wudidiz at #254 to Me: Clearly.

RickyJ at #250 to Me: No, nothing vanishes or turns downward. Try to accept the fact that you are wrong and that planes hit the towers.

titorite at #256 to RickyJ: You did not watch it.

Try to accept the fact, Ricky, that FL's video shows fake plane imagery at 7:28-7:29, as well as fake figures within it not reacting to smoke-exposure by coughing or attempting to avoid it the best they could, as real people would. It is not evidence of a real plane-strike at the WTC or real victims/jumpers at broken/blasted windows or that the alleged witnesses weren't lying or duped. It is evidence of fakery.

Edited for grammar.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-17   4:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: FormerLurker (#253) (Edited)

seems like you and your friends certainly ARE trying to shift the blame away from the guilty, by making all 9/11 researchers appear to be lunatics and crackpots.

It is you and yours who are trying to shift the focus and blame away from the guilty, especially at the WTC. Your fearmongering and smear campaigning about No Planes investigations are boomeranging back at you and your sector. It does not give you the appearance at all of being a valid 9/11 Researcher/Truthseeker with ethical standards of scientific method. It makes you look to be in the business of 9/11 Marketing, Storytelling, and crazed covering for the Acts of War and Criminality against us in New York.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-17   5:04:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: All (#268)

Well children, you've convinced me that 19 arabs did 9/11 with box cutters because they hated our freedoms. I'll go vote for Romney and wave the flag. USA! USA! USA!


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-17   5:17:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: FormerLurker (#263)

Like I said many posts ago, I don't have time to argue circular arguments with shills and idiots.

Good luck with your mission, I'm sure you'll be stomping your feet and screaming at the top of your lungs that the Easter Bunny hit the towers with eggs on 9/11, don't know how many people will agree with you, but that's your problem.

Oh there is no need to wish me luck.

I am no shill nor idiot but you remain a villain.

And at this point there is no circular argument of any kind. .... not regarding me and you.

If we scroll back to post 240 we can all see how much you regard the truth.

I need no luck to continue the mission of spreading the truth. Not from the likes of you Lurker. Being wrong is one thing. YOu are not wrong lurker. You are a liar.

Stop Fibbing.

Shake off your propaganda.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-17   6:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: GreyLmist, wudidiz, titorite RickyJ, tom007, christine, *9-11* (#267)

Try to accept the fact, Ricky, that FL's video shows fake plane imagery at 7:28-7:29, as well as fake figures

As usual, you are a lying POS. There is NOTHING in that segment which indicates "fakery". And as far as these "fake figures" you are calling the jumpers, you are an even bigger POS.

Face it, 9/11 happened. It most certainly didn't happen as the government story tells us, but there WERE attacks, it's just WHO was behind those attacks that is in question.

There WERE no manniquins or "fake figures", no "props" in terms of humans jumping off the towers, there was no "fake entrance hole", and there was no Hollywood studio where the 9/11 events were filmed.

You are actively spewing disinformation, and either out of maliciousness or pure stupidity, you have attracted a loyal following who believe you as if you were their pastor, guru, or prophet.

Thing is, I count two people so far who are following your footsteps. Better work harder if you want millions to believe you.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-17   16:32:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: titorite, GreyLmist, All (#270)

If we scroll back to post 240 we can all see how much you regard the truth.

And since YOU love to toss the words "liar" and "disinfo" around so much, where it's plainly obvious that YOU are maliciously posting outright lies, I'd lump you into that same category as your mentor, GreyLmist.

A shill. One who pretends he's not in order to gain trust, then performs his duties as required when it's time.

But it's clear that when you have an opportunity to twist, distort, and outright lie about something, ANYTHING, in regards to 9/11, you take it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-17   16:35:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: FormerLurker (#272) (Edited)

What are you talking about Former Lurker?

You can post things in error and I can post things in error but you did not make any error.

YOU LIED to the board at large and thought you could get a free pass. That I would not spot it or that nobody else would spot it or be concerned with it I however am concerned with you attempting to quote me and then lying about what I typed in the sole effort to assassinate my character rather than debunk the issues....Debunking the issues has proven time and again to be beyond you.

So......

I guess their is no more point to this conversation then.

I mean if you refuse to be honest I'm just gonna put you back on ignore and let you have the last lying word because it won't mean anything. Lies expose themselves.

It is a shame you took the low road.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-17   21:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: FormerLurker (#271)

Changing the channel to No Planes Theory - Pilots For 9-11 Truth Forum

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-18   8:13:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: titorite (#273)

You have yet to point out anything I've lied about.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-18   8:22:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: FormerLurker (#275)

You have yet to point out anything I've lied about.

Another lie compounded by a lie.

You lied about me, about what I said and thought and meant.

I have pointed it out to you and the board at large several times.

You're just a lying villain.

Cased closed , end of story, game over, you lose and you lose because you employed the tactics of the liars.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-18   15:29:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: titorite (#276)

With all that tap dancing, you apparently forgot to mention what I was supposed to have "lied" about.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-18   16:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: FormerLurker (#277) (Edited)

With all that tap dancing, you apparently forgot to mention what I was supposed to have "lied" about.

IN post two hundred and forty you remarked that :

Oh yeah, your friend titorite remarked that he thought it was "cool" that people were getting splattered on the ground below.

I never said no such thing. I said cool vid bro. IT had lots of insightful things. Obvious inconsistencies that are easy to point out to normal sane rational people. A good compilation of recordings. Cool Vid bro.

........

Not cool dead splattering on the ground.

YOU LIED JUST TO DEMONIZE ME

And you thought that would be OK... that it would not detract from your credibility or character. As if all of a sudden a special exception was just for Former Lurker allowing for lying to be cool...... But their is no special exception and that shit aint cool.

You then lied about your lies... I have been pointing it out. Everyone noticed. EVERYONE!

You whole silly little thread here has very well proven the point of your inability to debate with out resorting to character assassination attempts and out right lies.

........

I forgot to put you on ignore last night.... Let me go fix that

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-18   16:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: titorite (#278)

Oh yeah, your friend titorite remarked that he thought it was "cool" that people were getting splattered on the ground below.

I never said no such thing. I said cool vid bro

Most people would consider "cool video bro" to be rather tasteless when it comes to a video of people jumping to their deaths.

So you can try to twist it into meaning something different, but that just shows you're trying to weasle out of what you said since I've called you on it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-18   17:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: titorite (#278)

It appears now as though this particular discussion may be swiftly and surely approaching the point of diminishing returns .


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-18   17:18:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: wudidiz (#280)

Without a doubt.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-18   17:30:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: All, *9-11* (#280)

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"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-18   17:30:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: All (#282)

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"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-18   17:35:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: wudidiz, titorite (#283)

the 1 thing neither of u have convinced me of is WHY the minute details of exactly how 911 occurred even matter IF the goal is to get the public to comprehend false flag tactic by govt to employ tyranny. You should remember how little most folks know.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-10-18   19:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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