[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help] 

Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

Why is Putin's back against the wall?

First Lady Melania Trump's Full Interview on Fox & Friends

Online site tells you how much Kamala Harris presidency will cost you

Trump's Best Kamala Ad

US warships under attack in Red Sea as 'barrage' of Houthi missiles rain down

Biden and Harris to Offer $153 Million in Awards for States That Adopt Pre-Crime Gun Confiscation Laws

Taxpayer-funded Minneapolis food pantry bans white people

Another Gulf Hurricane for Sunday Oct 6. Same Area as Helene

Lebanon Will Make Israel Regret Its Actions, Iran's Supreme Leader Warns

54 People Rescued from Roof of Hospital in Tennessee Due to Flood Caused by Hurricane Helene

Germany faces economic DISASTER, as Social Democrats drive country into the ground

Warning! Biggest Silver Short Position Recorded - Ed Steer Silver Price Prediction

Kroger was pretty slim pickin's today

Kunstler: America Is "A Headless Horseman Riding Blindly Into Chaos"

Ohio Dem Senator To Hold Event With Group Pushing To Close States Largest Coal Plant

Kamala Harris campaign’s internal polls reveal devastating losses in Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona.

Kamala Harris campaign’s internal polls reveal devastating losses in Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona.

Sea Port STRIKES Happening October 1st!! (We KNEW IT!!!) | Buddy Brown

NYC Mayor Eric Adams Claims He's Being Targeted by Biden for Defending New Yorkers Against Illegal Aliens

What are Israel's goals in Lebanon?

Israeli military build-up near the Lebanese border.

Human remains found at McDonald’s meat supplier by the FBI.

Kamala was caught using actors pretending to be ex-Trump supporters in her ads!

Venezuelan Gang Infiltrates Migrant Shelters to Build Criminal Empire in NYC

Are US Troops Combat Ready for Israel?

Now that's an edit - Russian Power

Shirley Temple On How Hollywood Is Run by Pedophiles

The UN Just Adopted The Pact For The Future Which Lays The Foundation For A New Global Order

Vermont State Police Detain O'Keefe Over Questions About Cease-and-Desist Letter to Whistleblower

Kamala Harris repeats vague talking points with little substance in softball MSNBC interview


9/11
See other 9/11 Articles

Title: NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
Source: Prison Planet Forum
URL Source: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=945.50;wap2
Published: Aug 1, 2008
Author: Morgan Rose
Post Date: 2012-10-06 10:54:21 by FormerLurker
Ping List: *9-11*     Subscribe to *9-11*
Keywords: None
Views: 17947
Comments: 309

COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing movements. These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted movement.

Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur operations. Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”.

While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements . See a problem here?

Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects, academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others.

Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501 (c) 3, or “nonprofit” status, However, recent investigations conducted by concerned donors have uncovered that her “foundation” does not retain “nonprofit” status with the IRS. In fact, more rigorous inquires have obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants. “Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple complaints with the FTC and IRS.

Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League, Citigroup, and The National Security Council. 3BDigital boasts to have partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defense contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own theories.

The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations of COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified. WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD.

Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods. Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”.

So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors, major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane” pseudo-movement?

The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas, before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been fully exposed: the pyschological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel. Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly begs the question: does it get any more transparent? Subscribe to *9-11*

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 7.

#1. To: All (#0) (Edited)


Saboteurs Attacking The 9/11 Truth Movement:
The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang


A gang of disinformation agents is posing as 9/11 researchers and attempting to sabotage the 9/11 truth effort by:

  1. Claiming that they themselves are 9/11 researchers (which they are not, because they don't use scientific methods)
  2. Broadcasting lying smear attacks against the actual 9/11 researchers, in order to discredit the actual research results.
  3. Making absurd claims: that no planes hit the World Trade Center, that the dozens of videos showing the planes were all faked, that the WTC was destroyed by energy beams or H-bombs, etc.
Their purpose in making the obviously absurd claims is to confuse the public into thinking that 9/11 researchers are crackpots, and therefore their information should be ignored.


Motive

The American/Israeli/British fascist governments have used their Big Lie -- that the 9/11 attacks were done by "Islamic Terrorists" -- as their pretext for murdering millions of people in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Palestine, practicing the most horrible tortures upon innocent people, instituting surveillance, invasion of privacy, and the threat of kidnapping, torture, and murder against their own citizens, and threatening to censor or shut down the Internet. In other words, for creating the "New World Order" -- a global fascist slave state.

The 9/11 truth effort is having ever increasing success in reaching the public with the results of the scientific analysis showing that the World Trade Center was destroyed by explosives and incendiaries that "Islamic Terrorists" could not possibly have placed in the buildings. This worries the criminal elements of the U.S. government greatly, and both Bush and Obama have ordered that their story about 9/11 must never be questioned, and that those who do question it are terrorists in league with "Al-Qaeda" (which actually does not exist as an organized international force).

The government has created websites, magazine articles, and books claiming to refute the 9/11 physical research, but these government productions have been shown to be full of lies. So, in order to disrupt the effectiveness of the 9/11 truth movement directly, a COINTELPRO type operation was apparently initiated, as it has been against virtually all organizations and movements opposing U.S. government fascist wars and oppression. The operations of the Disinformation Gang fit the usual COINTELPRO pattern.


Disinformation Gang Members

Major participants in the Disinformation Gang (as I call them) are James Fetzer, Morgan Reynolds (former chief economist of G W Bush's Department of Labor), Judy Wood, Ace Baker, Kevin Barrett, Rosalee "Webfairy" Grable, Nico Haupt, Gerard Holmgren, Rick Siegel, Jeff Hill, and a number of others who hide their identity under pseudonyms like "Coffinman".

James Fetzer is a former JFK assassination "researcher" who claimed that the Zapruder film -- which is the most important piece of evidence in the case and proves that Lee Harvey Oswald could not have been the killer -- was faked by the government, and therefore was not valid as evidence.

Fetzer was a co-founder with physicist Steven Jones of the Scholars for 9-11 Truth, which initially was the most credible and effective 9/11 research organization, listing as members hundreds of professional experts in various fields. But once the Scholars achieved wide recognition, Fetzer began publishing on the organization's website the obviously absurd claims of the Disinformation Gang -- that no planes hit the WTC, that the videos showing the planes had all been faked, etc. Many of the members raised strong objections to his actions, but Fetzer continued pushing the lies (and he still does currently, as of June 2009).

In December 2006 a vote was taken on this issue among the members (over Fetzer's angry objections) and his policy of pushing lying disinformation was rejected by 153 to 9. In spite of this, he refused to stop, and so Steven Jones and most of the members left and formed the Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice.


General Methods Used

The most successful factor in exposing the government lies about 9/11 has been scientific investigation of the physical evidence. This evidence and its analysis are objective, and can't be countered by excuses like, "General Myers didn't send up interceptor jets because he was in a meeting when the airliners were hijacked." Physicist Steven Jones, author David Ray Griffin, architect Richard Gage, and political activist Alex Jones have been among the most effective in bringing this information to the public.

Just as the 9/11 truth movement was having substantial success in getting the word out, a small gang of people, many hiding their identity, sprang up and began spewing out huge amounts of disinformation masquerading as scientific research, but contradicting the real research. These people support one another, and say that they are the only real 9/11 researchers.

The gang's disinformation includes claims that no planes hit the World Trade Center, that all the videos showing the planes hitting were faked by the government, and that the WTC was destroyed by energy beam weapons or H-bombs (not by explosives and thermate).

Upon close examination, the gang's claims all turn out to be lies, but people who don't have a scientific background are sometimes taken in by them. The gang has published many hundreds of videos, blog entries, forum posts, and web pages. They appear to be well financed. Their enormous campaign also includes direct lying smear attacks against the most effective real 9/11 investigators and activists -- Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, and Alex Jones.

The goal of this gang is to confuse naive members of the public into thinking that real 9/11 researchers are spouting absurd garbage like "No planes hit the World Trade Center" and "All the WTC plane crash videos were faked". Even people without a scientific education, just using common sense, know that these claims are ridiculous. And that is the goal of the Disinformation Gang! They want people to think that the 9/11 truth movement is full of idiots and crackpots, so people willl go back to believing the government's lies, and welcoming a police state for protection against nonexistent "terrorists".


Details of the Gang's Absurd Claims

In addition to making savage, lying personal attacks against the people most successful in spreading the truth of 9-11 to the population -- Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, Richard Gage, and Alex Jones -- various gang members claim that the following techniques were used in the destruction of the World Trade Center. The fact that many of these violate well-known laws of physics, contradict the evidence, and some are also mutually exclusive doesn't inhibit the gang. Refutations are given in parentheses.

Keep in mind that these claims are designed to be seen as absurd in order to make people think that 9/11 researchers are nutballs.

  • no planes hit the WTC (a few people saw the first plane hit, and many saw the second, which was also captured on dozens of videos and still photos)

  • all the videos and photos, even those made by private people, were faked by the government (all of the analysis presented by the gang to prove this turns out to be lies, in some cases using tampered versions of the actual videos)

  • an error in "video fakery" showed the plane's nose emerging from the opposite side of WTC2 (refuted in detail here)

  • all the witnesses who saw the planes hit were lying or brainwashed by watching TV (firemen, police, thousands of citizens saw the second

  • missiles disguised as planes by means of holograms (impossible, because, since light travels in straight lines, the hologram generator would have to be as large as a 767)

  • "UFO orbs" (actually the lights of helicopters in the distance)

  • "scalar waves" (which don't exist and are a fraud by Tom Bearden)

  • "Hutchison effect" (which also doesn't exist and is a fraud by John Hutchison)

  • micro-hydrogen bombs not using fission triggers (which don't exist, would have made an enormous flash and bang, and would have made radioactive elements which were not found)

  • missiles hidden by "cloaking devices" (which don't exist)

  • flocks of UAVs -- unmanned aerial vehicles -- to account for individual puffs of dust and smoke during the crashes (these were caused simply by turbulent air flow)

  • energy beams from space satellites (which would have required the combined power of hundreds of nuclear power plants, would have made the concrete dust burning hot, would have burned people on the ground, would have made enormous lightning bolts in the air, and could not have penetrated even one of the hundred steel floor pans)

This gang has created dozens of websites, blogs, forums, mailing lists, Net radio programs, and various other outlets for their lies. Their intention is to associate these nonsensical claims with the actual 9-11 research movement, in order to discredit it. They have already begun to succeed: articles have been published in mainstream media saying that 9-11 researchers are nutty conspiracy theorists who say that no planes hit the World Trade Center.


Cars Were Not Burned By Energy Beams
Here is a refutation of one of their claims -- that cars near the WTC were burned in peculiar ways that proves they were hit by energy beams from space:

Ordinary burned cars with the same damage as WTC cars


The "Spire" Did Not Turn To Dust

The disinfo gang claims that the WTC steel "spire" -- some girders that remained standing briefly after one of the towers fell -- was "dustified" by directed energy beams, this based on low-resolution video from which it's impossible to tell what happened. In fact, any type of energy that can reduce solid steel to dust would have to vaporize it first, which would require heating it to beyond white-hot in order to overcome the very strong interatomic bonds that make steel such a strong construction material. Such heating would cause the steel to emit a blindingly bright blue-white light. Of course this didn't happen.

What did happen is shown in the two closeup higher resolution videos below: the spire simply fell, mostly dropping vertically downward. At the end the tallest part also begins a rotation to the left, which can be seen in the second video. The sideways motion causes some blurring due to the video compression process. A lesser degree of blurring is seen in the first video as the spire falls, but it's clear that the various parts of the structure remain intact, because they keep their geometric relationship with one another; dust clouds could not do that.



911.wtc.1.s pire.close.up.avi



collapse-01-spire-clip.avi

If your video player won't display these, download and install mplayer. It runs on Linux, Mac OSX, and Microsoft Windows, and can expand videos to full-screen, and also run them in slow-motion or frame by frame, so you have time to perceive and understand what's happening.

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/


Is the No-WTC-Planes/Video- Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang COINTELPRO?

People in various 9-11 truth groups are now starting to connect the following facts:

  1. The U.S. government has carried out COINTELPRO operations -- infiltration, disinformation, and disruption -- against all major anti-war, anti-racist, and pro-environmental organizations in the past.

  2. The 9-11 truth movement is exposing as a huge and murderous fraud the 9-11 pretext for the entire "eternal war against terrorism" -- which is actually for war profiteering, seizure of oil resources, extension of geopolitical/military power, and obedience to the demands of the state of Israel.

  3. It is therefore very likely that a COINTELPRO operation is being undertaken against the 9-11 truth movement.

  4. No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang has all the characteristics of a COINTELPRO operation against the 9-11 truth movement, and it is the only group that does.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-06   11:10:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: FormerLurker (#1)

Now tell us about the plane strike at the Pentagon, FL, and how all the D.C. witnesses there who claimed to see that are to be believed -- or are you a 25% No Planer on that scenario?

No Planes research doesn't threaten the 9/11 Truth Movement. The author of that old article is probably COINTELPRO, imo. He wants you to keep the official cover story about plane attacks as the pretext for Wars flying for the perps and you are determined to do that -- to help them to continue burying our War casualties and others in their lies.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-07   5:54:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GreyLmist (#5)

Now tell us about the plane strike at the Pentagon, FL

Uh huh. We are talking about the WTC GL, not the Pentagon. It's been acknowledged that the aircraft which struck the Pentagon was most likely some form of cruise missile or drone.

On the other hand, with television cameras from across the globe focused on the WTC after the first impact, it would certainly not have been possible to use a cruise missile for that attack. A military KC-767 tanker configured as a drone on the other hand would not be significantly different from a Boing 767 passenger jet however, so it is quite possible that is what was used.

It wasn't all faked in a studio beforehand though GL, and it wasn't a conspiracy requiring the participation of anyone in NYC who happened to be looking at the towers at the time of the impacts, nor of the entire world television media, their reporters, camera men, along with NYC first responders such as police and firemen.

You certainly seem brighter than that GL. What is it with your cognitive dissonance? Or are you just pretending?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-07   14:59:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 7.

#10. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#7) (Edited)

Now tell us about the plane strike at the Pentagon, FL

Uh huh. We are talking about the WTC GL, not the Pentagon. It's been acknowledged that the aircraft which struck the Pentagon was most likely some form of cruise missile or drone.

On the other hand, with television cameras from across the globe focused on the WTC after the first impact, it would certainly not have been possible to use a cruise missile for that attack. A military KC-767 tanker configured as a drone on the other hand would not be significantly different from a Boing 767 passenger jet however, so it is quite possible that is what was used.

In other words, you are a 25% No Planer and think that's perfectly acceptable as long as you don't forthrightly call it that. Your Boeing-comparable tanker theory is not quite possible anymore than a regular Boeing. Highly doubtful that remote control does anything to immunize drone aircraft to ground effects, aerodynamic stresses from physics defying maneuvers and other noted factors of implausibility at the Pentagon.

It wasn't all faked in a studio beforehand though GL, and it wasn't a conspiracy requiring the participation of anyone in NYC who happened to be looking at the towers at the time of the impacts, nor of the entire world television media, their reporters, camera men, along with NYC first responders such as police and firemen.

You certainly seem brighter than that GL. What is it with your cognitive dissonance? Or are you just pretending?

I've already addressed your overestimates elsewhere on the extent of those knowingly involved in the deceptions or not. I've already mentioned Don Dahler's report that he saw no plane, just an explosion. A Chopper pilot is reportedly dead under suspicious circumstances -- Edit to add: Paul Smith, the WABC Chopper 7 pilot, among others like Gen. Wherley; also another Commander of one the Fighter Wings that flew that day and a pilot of that Air Wing reportedly died in a crash in Iraq. I suspect that the WTC plans did not go quite according to how the perps had anticipated. They needed a certain amount of video and planted witnesses to implement their pretext for War but not real planes. There is MSM footage that shows no visible plane approach until much later in the day, which indicates a manipulated insert. Not realistically likely that the perps could count on no off-course plane interceptions whatsoever by our Military unless they didn't use any. What's with your cognitive dissonance on that?

Edited for punctuation and addition at sentence 3 of last paragraph.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-08 01:53:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: FormerLurker (#7)

A military KC-767 tanker

I'd like to talk about refueling tankers on 9/11 for a bit:

Transcript: Alex Jones Interviews Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army (ret.): Explosive New 9/11 Revelations and Explanations; re: the Happy Hooligans, North Dakota Air Guard flying the F-16s

John: Were there any refueling jets involved in that operation?

[No answer]

John: Was there any refueling tankers used by the North Dakota Air Guard and what tanker wing was used?

DGP: I don't know about the aircraft itself. I don't know about refueling.

A pilot of a different Fighter Wing did refuel over Lake Erie that day: Local F-16 pilot reflects on role, chaos of 9/11

Just FYI: Colonel John Keenan, the TN Air National Guard wing commander of refueling operations in Knoxville TN during 9/11, was arrested by sheriff deputies and sent to the loonybin for "drunk driving"(because he had zero alcohol in his body)

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-08 03:33:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: FormerLurker (#7)

I think it's been established that you are a 25% No Planer so, let's see if that percentage is actually much too low.

9-11 and Zion What Was Israel’s Role - Veterans Today

From the Comments section:

Define “no plane theory”. How many of those articles have you read? Are you aware that Flights 11 and 77 were not even scheduled that day? and that, according to FAA records, the planes corresponding to Flights 93 and 175 were not de-registered (formally taken out of service) until 28 September 2005? So how could planes that were not in the air have crashed on 9/11? and how could planes that crashed on 9/11 have still been in the air four years later?

Are you aware that Pilots for 9/11 Truth has established, based upon studies of air/ground communications, that Flight 93 was in the air but over Champaign- Urbana, IL, after its “crash” in Shanksville, PA? and that Flight 175 was also in the air but over Harrisburg and Pittsburgh, PA, long after its “hit” on the South Tower? Are you a student of 9/11? Do you believe in evidence? Or are you willing to believe anything the government tells you, no matter how much it may have been refuted?

Maybe you're a 50% or 75% No Planer -- even a 100% No Planer -- and just don't realize it yet; or don't want to openly admit to it on account of that would subject you to all of the flack your sort has been generating in our direction. Something karma-like about that; not that I believe in karma, what with all the evidence to the contrary, but similar.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-08 04:03:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


End Trace Mode for Comment # 7.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest


[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help]