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Title: NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
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Published: Aug 1, 2008
Author: Morgan Rose
Post Date: 2012-10-06 10:54:21 by FormerLurker
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COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing movements. These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted movement. Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur operations. Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”. While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements . See a problem here? Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects, academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others. Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501 (c) 3, or “nonprofit” status, However, recent investigations conducted by concerned donors have uncovered that her “foundation” does not retain “nonprofit” status with the IRS. In fact, more rigorous inquires have obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants. “Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple complaints with the FTC and IRS. Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League, Citigroup, and The National Security Council. 3BDigital boasts to have partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defense contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own theories. The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations of COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified. WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD. Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods. Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”. So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors, major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane” pseudo-movement? The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas, before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been fully exposed: the pyschological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel. Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly begs the question: does it get any more transparent?
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#85. To: titorite, wudidiz (#69)
Because the live broadcast did not have a view of the towers which would have shown the approach, it wasn't till they went to a different feed that they could see the plane. It's not evidence of "no planes", it's evidence of multiple cameras. Were they only supposed to own one camera in your mind? Ah, accuse those who have you figured as being what you actually are. Seen it MANY times before, as I'm sure others have here on this forum. This isn't LP where there are idiots who fall for such gimmicks. Do you have any evidence that they were in the "strikezone" rather than somewhere else, say for instance on floors which were UNDER the strikezone? In fact, do you have any evidence that they were there at all? I think you're implying that they rigged the impact hole to explode, is that correct? Well genius, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but the ENTRANCE HOLE could NOT be faked with an internal explosion, it would have had to been done with an EXTERNAL explosion in order for the blast to push the exterior wall INWARDS rather than OUTWARDS. (you) blablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablabl Who are the witnesses? The no planes hoax is a disinformation ploy designed to fragment and divide the 9/11 truth movement, and to discredit any valid research and evidence pertaining to 9/11, along with the scientists, engineers, architects, military personnel, intelligence officers, pilots, and others who have provided such evidence, scientific analysis, and expert knowledge. You try to claim you have technical data PROVING something, yet you are simply plagiarizing the work of others and calling it your own, trying to boost your credibility by mixing elements of truth in with your wild unfounded assertions regarding no planes. Bullshit. If you are trying to make a case that planes hit the wtc, you should at least have some evidence. Other than the tv. So let's have it. Who are all these "witnesses" of which you speak? Do you think NYC is a tiny little cow town with 10 people milking cows at 9AM? It is FILLED with millions of people, ANY which of whom could be at a vantage point to witness the attack on the WTC, ESPECIALLY after the 1st impact where it was on all news stations that a plane had hit the WTC. Do you have ANY witness who says they were looking at the towers from a vantage point where they should have seen the plane impact the tower, yet only saw an explosion, no plane? Again, do you think all the news networks, their news crews on the scene, the police and firemen who were there, along with the passengers, flight crews, air traffic controllers, airline personnel, airport personnel, ALL conspired together to attack the WTC with explosives leading to the murder of 3000 Americans? Do you have even one shred of evidence of anything you claim? You see wud, you are making incredible claims with NO valid evidence. You pretend that the people of NYC would NOT report a matter of importance so incredible as them seeing something with their eyes which differed from what the networks were reporting. Again, you are claiming ALL television networks conspired to kill 3000 Americans that day, and bring the world to war. Their on scene reporters and news crews obviously HAD to have been in on it for your scenario to be true, along with any of the firemen and police, along with WTC office workers (ie. some of the victims) who were facing the approach. They were ALL in on it, right wud? May 31, 2007 (Updated: 09/23/08) Edit #1: This is to activate the ref. link at Post #78 that I found wasn't working and was unable to edit to correct: Edit #2: Thought I had checked both links at Post #78 to make sure they worked when posted but noticed that this link there was broken too. Corrected link to activate: These are the paths for both links in case they deactivate after this: 2. www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060174013&postcount=89 All links in this post have been checked and found to be working at the time of this posting. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The footage wasn't tampered with till years later, and the source of the tampering hasn't yet been determined, but it first showed up on PBS documentaries of the event. Perhaps it was done to get folks like you all riled up over it, feeding into this "no planes" absurdity in order to through gasoline into the fire, and muddy the waters in terms of 9/11 research. A reasonable person would not overlook that rather strong possibility. You've confused the quote you cited above with the Smoke and Mirrors topic on 9/11 CBS footage altered by PBS for 2003 documentaries. What you cited above is from this link and info below at Post #78 on the PVI L-VIS computer topic there; which I think I'll subtitle here as: PVI L-VIS arrives at the GM Building. I'll highlight the quote you cited so that you can find it easier and also some related Israeli info, which you claim to have a particular interest in -- unless it's me and not you or your faction who has posted the Israeli info, apparently, but here it is again anyway: 911 was a PVI VIRTUAL PLANE GRAPHIC ANIMATION "There is great potential to use virtual imaging in other ways but it remains a tool whose biggest advantage is for live broadcasting," Madge says. "There are obvious advantages in virtual studios as you don't need a physical set, just a blue screen against which the presenter is shot and a three-D computer model. You can change it over very quickly - there's no need to shift scenery. CBS's problems arise from the fact that its use of the PVI system went one step further than "enhancing" the look of its presentation: it tampered with the reality of an actual event it was depicting in a news show, raising the spectre of TV news reporters reporting "live" from around the world when they're actually far closer to home. The broadcaster - which has also used virtual imaging to modify the New York cityscape - defended itself by insisting: 'CBS News' internal standards prohibit digital manipulation or other faking of news footage." However, a CBS spokeswoman admitted that virtual insertion technology is yet to be covered by the broadcaster's guidelines. But Dan Rather, for one, thinks it should be. "At the very least we should have pointed out to viewers we were doing it,'' he told the New York Times. "I did not grasp the possible ethical implications of this and that was wrong on my part.'' CBS is not the only broadcaster to use this technology in news broadcasts. Rival ABC recently included a report on Congress by a reporter wearing an overcoat in front of what to viewers seemed to be the US Capitol. The entire report was taped in a studio. Edited for rewording of 1st paragraph, excerpt insert and to add that the CBS tampering noted was reported in 2000. Much more such interesting info on the PVI L-VIS subject at that link. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Without going into the rest of your post, are you trying to say that the actual footage from 2001 was tampered with one year BEFORE the event? Do you have any evidence that they were in the "strikezone" rather than somewhere else, say for instance on floors which were UNDER the strikezone? In fact, do you have any evidence that they were there at all? I think you're implying that they rigged the impact hole to explode, is that correct? Well genius, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but the ENTRANCE HOLE could NOT be faked with an internal explosion, it would have had to been done with an EXTERNAL explosion in order for the blast to push the exterior wall INWARDS rather than OUTWARDS. All of your questions and issues have already been addressed in earlier posts on the Art Students in-residence at the WTC with links which you can go back and check through or you could do your own research. Google: Lower Manhattan Cultural Council (LMCC) at Wikipedia. The New York Times article on the Gelitin group suspects was called Balcony Scene (Or Unseen) Atop the World. That should get you started. If you need further assistance, much of the info was posted starting at #16 in the thread: Killers of Americans run Romney campaign, US courts and media ‘Rabbi Dov Zakheim, who was the Pentagon comptroller at the time of the 9/11 attacks, is now top foreign policy advisor to US presidential contender Mitt Romney.’ Hope you catch up soon. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Every flaw, Every inconsistancy... every failure on there part.. of which their are legion... but they did not have to make it work forever.... they only needed to fool everyone for a short amount of time.... God Help us. That is not proof of a holographic projection system. It is evidence that suggests the images were played with but NOT WHY. It is certainly suspicious (and I trust the Propaganda Broadcasting Service about as far as I can throw the twin towers) but is not proof supporting anything more than that the images were manipulated. It could just as easily be because the projectiles/planes that were used for the distraction and shock value were other than as represented, but not that there were NO planes. It is ambiguous without additional verifiable information. I also agree, to a limited extent, that it did not have to work forever. However, when you control the media the only place for the information to get out is through other venues such as the Internet. Effectively the media are the arbiters of reality. That it is a created and false reality is almost irrelevent so far as public "Perception Management" is concerned. The official unreality is the only reality allowed on the airwaves without being disparaged or completely censored out. As a result a large percentage of the Sheeple either believe the official conspiracy theory or are afraid to face ridicule by admitting that they don't. No it doesn't. However, as Goebbels and Hitler proved you can repeat a big lie over and over and over and a certain large percentage of the weak minded herd will accept it. My point is that it does not have to be true to get enough of the Sheeple to Baaaa with the chorus. Again, relying on basic logic, "If two datums are mutually contradictory the first thing we can conclude is that ONE or BOTH are false. Without going into the rest of your post, are you trying to say that the actual footage from 2001 was tampered with one year BEFORE the event? No, that is not what the info said. Go back to Post #94 and reread it or, better yet, go to the linked site there which has more explanatory details than the short excerpts I posted. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
True, but a certain unknown percentage of "No Planes" people assert that the planes and associated fireworks were all holograms. As well, as I pointed out above, evidence that the broadcast images were manipulated proves nothing more than that the broadcast images were manipulated. It does not tell us WHY and to what end they were manipulated, and it cuts both ways as I have read that some video experts who have looked at the "No Planes" videos have in turn pronounced them to have been manipulated. However, my basic point stands - it is irrelevant and therefore a Red Herring. The evidence of Nano-thermites and the video of the buildings visibly being eroded by some unknown agency are much more compelling as evidence. Therefore I infer that the "No Planes" is a planted disinformational diversion to keep people chasing their tails over irrelevencies. As for my motivations it is simple - I dislike disinformation and Red Herrings as they are both diversions and alterations of the truth. As far as I'm concerned you might as well assert that the impacts were "Flying Trains" or "Pink Elephants". So far as getting at the truth of matters it is largely a moot point that inspires endless haggling over irrelevant points. You can believe in the fuzz in your Belly Button if you want. However, that also is not relevant to establishing the "Best Evidence". Nano-Thermite residue is solid quantifiable, replicable evidence. The observed phenomena of a pancake collapse accompanied by squibs (and first hand testimony to explosions preceding the plane impacts) IS hard evidence. Check how many were created by someone other than Turdle. What it comes down to GL is that the entrance holes could NOT have been faked with interior explosives. So that means the entrance holes were caused by planes, lacking any other exterior force to cause penetration damage.
I also like to make the distinction between original live footage from the day of 9/11/2001, to that which had been broadcast years after the event. The PBS documentaries contain doctored footage, whereas original live footage from that morning does not show any signs of doctoring whatsoever. I'm not a demolitions expert, FL, but that aspect was already addressed in the thread I cited at Post #16. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Uh no, that post does not address how an interior explosion could cause an entrance hole. With EXTERIOR explosives, a hole emulating impact penetration COULD be done, however, there is simply no way for a INTERIOR explosion to cause damage emulating what an EXTERIOR explosive or impact would do. If the entrance hole showed that the beams and such had been blown OUTWARDS, then that'd be signs of an INTERIOR explosion. HOWEVER, since the damage is facing INWARDS, (ie. INTO the structure rather than OUT of the structure), all indications point to the fact an object penetrated INTO the structure. So then, what it comes down to is that the entrance hole was NOT faked. What is it you want to establish the "Best Evidence" for, O_I? Most Popular Storyline? The chain of custody on the nano-thermite is unreliable. If No Planes issues are moot and irrelevant to you then quit haggling, as you call it, and go peruse something that interests you more instead of heckling ongoing open investigations. Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I don't have a lot of time right now to keep going over this for you, FL. The post does address how explosions inward could have been done. Look for key words like Dependable Glass and gum. Besides that, maybe you aren't aware that film makers have been using painted-in matte backgrounds and other FX of burning buildings and what have you since the "Gone With the Wind" era or earlier. It's not all that difficult for them. It's what they do for a living. Edited sentence 2. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
So you're telling me those weren't real people standing at the entrance holes? You're trying to tell me that the damage was caused by gum? Or are you trying to tell me all those people who were taking close up shots of the entrance hole were in on the conspiracy too, and that it was all done in a Hollywood studio, broadcast in real time, and that nobody there noticed that what they were seeing on TV wasn't really what was happening? After 11+ years I can totally agree with you... it takes it's toll. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
As far as I can tell their is no holograms nor any holographic projection system in that time that could produce the elaborate and huge holograms needed.... I do not see the evidence out there to convince me personally that holograms were used. I may not be willing to 100% Dismiss it completely outta hand but I think something else was used. CGI!!!! Computer generated images . I know what altered poor pixiliation looks like, I've been able to help other graphic experts spot the flaws. CGI was most definitely used... Amongst other stuff..... The truth is more outrageous then any theory we could of ever thought of. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
Provide an example of any such flaw in the original live broadcast footage. I'd really like to see what you have, if anything. We need to demand the Pentagon provide their videos and the gas stations videos before we argure about this crap. The evidence is there. The criminals are not going to release it. And that is sufficent for a conclusion.
Provide an example of any such flaw in the original live broadcast footage. I'd really like to see what you have, if anything. I'll provide you with nothing Former lurker. In fact I am only addressing you because others quote you. Otherwise I have no need to read your BS anymore. Others have shown you plenty already, you have dismissed everything out of hand because it conflicts with your fragile world view. You have even resorted to the kinds of tactics the enemy uses. That is massive failure on your part.... no movement needs men of compromised ethics. Stay in your chair and bitch about it. I'm sure everyone will provide you with everything you ask for just as soon as hell freezes over. In the mean time please continue to waste your time and the forums bandwidth addressing a person ignoring you. It will be time well spent. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
We have demanded it.... I think the real problem is that their is nothing to release..... By that I mean nothing that will show a plane. ... ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
You'll provide nothing because you have nothing to provide, it doesn't exist. We have demanded it.... I think the real problem is that their is nothing to release..... By that I mean nothing that will show a plane. ... They probably have videos of an explosion with no plane which I imagine they are afraid to release because most people of average intelligence or over will figure out then (using logic n stuff) that there actually wasn't a plane. Let's not be too surprised if/when they release one with a cgi plane in it ;) If things were as you claim, where CGI was used in the WTC impacts, fireballs, and smoke plumes, then it'd be child's play to fake the Pentagon impact using the same techniques. That they haven't done so, and refuse to release video from the Pentagon roof cams amongst others, tells us that what THOSE videos show WOULD blow the lid on what really happened that day. However, it ALSO blows your story out of the water since they HAVEN'T released them and broadcast them umpteen times each day after the attacks. No amount of reason will change the mind of someone whose already made theirs up. I'm still waiting for the details on your "millions of eyewitnesses". Or does that threaten your preconceived idea of what happened? That is quite obvious in speaking with you these days wudidiz. You refuse to use logic and reason, you simply go on your "feelings" and accept whatever people tell you if it has to do with "no planes". Do you really think the victims were in on these attacks? Did you ever think far enough to realize they would have had to have been in order for any survivors to go along with the lie, that no planes attacked the WTC, it was all a hoax? Or does that threaten your preconceived idea of what happened? Can you give me at least one? You can walk around NYC and start asking people if they saw planes impact the towers that day, or if they saw a hoax. Be sure to tell me what they say to you wud, I'd be interested in knowing. Thus far, there has been NOBODY who claims to have seen what you claim, that is, explosions without planes, no smoke plumes, and no fireballs. There isn't one person working at United or American airlines who say those planes never flew that morning, and not one person at the airport towers, ground crews, or management, that say those planes never flew. There have not been any signs that the passengers and flight crews are still alive, so they probably aren't, wud. And, finally, there have been no reports from any news staff, reporters, camara crew, production studio engineers, etc., who claim they knew of the scheme or took part in the scheme. So where ARE your witnesses wud? Find all the names of all the people who were involved with the takeoffs, boarding, air traffic control, the police and firemen at the scene, and the occupants of the office buildings facing the approach. And oh yeah, find the families of the passengers on those doomed flights and ask them if their loved ones really died or not, or if they are faking it. Well, I mean, if there are witnesses to a plane hitting the wtc, I'd think you'd be able to name at least one or find a video of one saying they saw a plane. I have surely asked you enough times, yet you've not produced anything. Wtf? Believe what you want...
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#86. To: GreyLmist (#68)
Other than the opening garbage-article posted at the top of this thread and authored by a probable COINTELPRO stooge,
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: GreyLmist, Original_Intent (#48)
Your detours around issues like the Art Students in- residence at the WTC within the strikezone
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#88. To: FormerLurker (#80)
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"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#89. To: GreyLmist, Artisan, RickyJ, Original_Intent, wududiz, *9-11* (#48)
No Planes research is legitimate research that also involves technical data capable of PROVING 9/11 was an inside job.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#90. To: FormerLurker (#89)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#91. To: wudidiz (#88)
Who are the witnesses?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#92. To: wudidiz (#90)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#93. To: All (#78)
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killtown Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC -- article and comment excerpts
killtown Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC -- article and comment excerpts
PVI L-VIS computer at GM Building + CBS Early Show with Bryant Gumble on 9/11 at GM Building + Smoke and Mirrors topic info on Empire State Building footage-angle coordinates at GM Building
911 was a PVI VIRTUAL PLANE GRAPHIC ANIMATION
1. killtown.blogspot.com/2007/05/why-they-didnt-use-planes-to-hit-wtc.html
#94. To: FormerLurker (#82)
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it tampered with the reality of an actual event it was depicting in a news show
The system CBS used was developed by a United States company called Princeton Video Images (PVI). Other players in this field include Symah Vision - part of French defence to media group Lagadere; Israel-based Orad Hi Tech Systems, and SciDex, another Israeli firm with offices in Europe and the US. Each system, while similar, has its differences. None of the companies will publicly discuss how their's works. But the principle is common: each alters the live video image in the split second before it is broadcast. "There is great potential to use virtual imaging in other ways but it remains a tool whose biggest advantage is for live broadcasting," Madge says. "There are obvious advantages in virtual studios as you don't need a physical set, just a blue screen against which the presenter is shot and a three-D computer model. You can change it over very quickly - there's no need to shift scenery.
#95. To: GreyLmist (#94)
the CBS tampering noted was reported in 2000
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#96. To: FormerLurker (#87)
Your detours around issues like the Art Students in- residence at the WTC within the strikezone
#97. To: titorite (#67)
What is a problem is What wreckage (what little of it there was) was found and where. What is a problem is PBS showing off the wrong planes as the ones alleged to hit the towers.
IF the TV shows it over and over and over that does not make it true.
I mean it's like the jews who swear to god xyclone B is at awshuwitz in the walls and showers and such... but science can't prove it... someone or something is lying... it aint science.
#98. To: FormerLurker (#95)
the CBS tampering noted was reported in 2000
#99. To: GreyLmist (#68)
Graphic thechnology isn't a synonym for holographic technology
#100. To: wudidiz, Artisan (#77)
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Check out how many pug threads there are.
#101. To: GreyLmist (#96)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#102. To: Original_Intent, GreyLmist, *9-11* (#99)
As well, as I pointed out above, evidence that the broadcast images were manipulated proves nothing more than that the broadcast images were manipulated.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#103. To: FormerLurker (#101)
What it comes down to GL is that the entrance holes could NOT have been faked with interior explosives. So that means the entrance holes were caused by planes, lacking any other exterior force to cause penetration damage.
#104. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#103)
I'm not a demolitions expert, FL, but that aspect was already addressed in the thread I cited at Post #16.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#105. To: Original_Intent (#99)
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establishing the "Best Evidence". Nano-Thermite residue is solid quantifiable, replicable evidence. The observed phenomena of a pancake collapse accompanied by squibs (and first hand testimony to explosions preceding the plane impacts) IS hard evidence.
#106. To: FormerLurker (#104)
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#107. To: GreyLmist (#106)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#108. To: Artisan (#74)
Yes, priorities are key. If someone wants to delve into the no-plane stuff more power to them. Intellectual freedom is great. As for me, i dont care.its hard enuff 11+ yrs later to even explain the relevence of 911 to people, much less drown in minutia.
#109. To: Original_Intent (#97)
That is not proof of a holographic projection system.
#110. To: titorite, Original_Intent (#109)
CGI!!!! Computer generated images . I know what altered poor pixiliation looks like, I've been able to help other graphic experts spot the flaws. CGI was most definitely used... Amongst other stuff..... The truth is more outrageous then any theory we could of ever thought of.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#111. To: FormerLurker (#110)
Provide an example of any such flaw in the original live broadcast footage. I'd really like to see what you have, if anything.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#112. To: All (#111)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#113. To: All (#109)
#111. To: FormerLurker (#110)
#114. To: tom007 (#111)
We need to demand the Pentagon provide their videos and the gas stations videos before we argure about this crap.
#115. To: titorite (#113)
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I'll provide you with nothing Former lurker
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#116. To: titorite, tom007 (#114)
We need to demand the Pentagon provide their videos and the gas stations videos before we argure about this crap.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#117. To: wudidiz, titorite, tom007 (#116)
They probably have videos of an explosion with no plane which I imagine they are afraid to release because most people of average intelligence or over will figure out then (using logic n stuff) that there actually wasn't a plane. Let's not be too surprised if/when they release one with a cgi plane in it ;)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#118. To: FormerLurker (#117)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#119. To: wudidiz (#118)
No amount of reason will change the mind of someone whose already made theirs up.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#120. To: FormerLurker (#119)
I'm still waiting for the details on your "millions of eyewitnesses".
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#121. To: wudidiz (#118)
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I'm still waiting for the details on your "millions of eyewitnesses".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#122. To: wudidiz (#120)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#123. To: FormerLurker (#122)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#124. To: FormerLurker, All (#123)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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