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Title: NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
Source: Prison Planet Forum
URL Source: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=945.50;wap2
Published: Aug 1, 2008
Author: Morgan Rose
Post Date: 2012-10-06 10:54:21 by FormerLurker
Ping List: *9-11*     Subscribe to *9-11*
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Views: 20172
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COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing movements. These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted movement.

Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur operations. Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”.

While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements . See a problem here?

Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects, academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others.

Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501 (c) 3, or “nonprofit” status, However, recent investigations conducted by concerned donors have uncovered that her “foundation” does not retain “nonprofit” status with the IRS. In fact, more rigorous inquires have obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants. “Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple complaints with the FTC and IRS.

Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League, Citigroup, and The National Security Council. 3BDigital boasts to have partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defense contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own theories.

The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations of COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified. WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD.

Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods. Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”.

So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors, major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane” pseudo-movement?

The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas, before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been fully exposed: the pyschological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel. Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly begs the question: does it get any more transparent? Subscribe to *9-11*

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#130. To: wudidiz (#124)

The original no planer

Uh huh. He said he SAW the first plane, but didn't see the 2nd one. No shit, if he was on the side facing the North Tower impact (1st plane), then he COULDN'T have seen the 2nd plane since it was on the opposite side of the SOUTH TOWER.

Are you really that dense wud?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   17:40:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#131. To: wudidiz (#125)

Jennifer Oberstein

In the video you posted she clearly says she heard a boom THEN looked up. Well no shit genius, if she wasn't looking UP at the tower she wouldn't have seen the impact. Is this the BEST you have?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   17:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#132. To: GreyLmist (#126)

So some chick piecing screen captures (which she could well have doctored) into a video, and narrating it as if she's some sort of expert on anything, THIS is your BEST evidence that the holes were faked, that the victims were faked (I suppose the witnesses such as police and firemen lied about that too, eh), and everyone there standing around ALL conspired to kill those people, which in your mind, probably never existed anyways.

Are you that screwed up to believe that?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   17:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#133. To: wudidiz (#127)

Uh huh. I suppose you thought the structure was supposed to make the plane bounce off like a rubber ball, eh?

It was travelling at 500 mph or close to it, and it had enough forward momentum to penetrate the relatively thin columns which were spaced apart far enough to allow the majority of the plane to pass through without any resistance.

Wake up.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   17:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#134. To: FormerLurker, all (#133)

I have to go to work but when I get back I will continue to argue with you about 9/11.

Think of it, FL.

Of all the options in the world available to me (there are a few), I will be arguing on the internet about 9/11. With You, FL.

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-10-13   17:54:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#135. To: GreyLmist, wududiz, *9-11* (#126)

The "Jumpers" of 9/11 are all FAKES? They were obviously pre-made, and were included into to the storyline of the 9/11 to increase the "shock and awe" effect to steer us to giving up our rights to the real terrorists of 9/11

Here you go children, you want witnesses, here are some witnesses, along with some graphic footage of people actually jumping from the WTC.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   17:54:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#136. To: All (#135)

Here's even more video...

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-13   18:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#137. To: wudidiz (#134)

Think of it,

Lol! Just heard that ole song 'Betcha by golly wowwwww' in a burger joint & sang it to my wife. That's better than bickering about 911 on the net... :-D

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-10-13   20:07:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#138. To: FormerLurker (#122)

Find all the names of all the people who were involved with the takeoffs, boarding, air traffic control, the police and firemen at the scene, and the occupants of the office buildings facing the approach.

And oh yeah, find the families of the passengers on those doomed flights and ask them if their loved ones really died or not, or if they are faking it.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker posted on 2012-10-13 14:44:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

This all could be done - but is not.

The USGOV is not interested it findings of 9-11.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2012-10-13   20:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#139. To: wudidiz (#128) (Edited)

She asks some good questions.

9-11 Gelatin: The B Thing - Go to the 0:52 mark for a view of WTC windows that didn't open as the 9/11 jumper fakery would have us believe.

[Cross-referenced from Post #18 at 4um Title: Killers of Americans run Romney campaign, US courts and media ‘Rabbi Dov Zakheim, who was the Pentagon comptroller at the time of the 9/11 attacks, is now top foreign policy advisor to US presidential contender Mitt Romney.’]

Edited to activate YouTube link.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   15:17:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#140. To: GreyLmist, wudidiz (#139)

9-11 Gelatin: The B Thing - Go to the 0:52 mark for a view of WTC windows that didn't open as the 9/11 jumper fakery would have us believe.

What exactly is this supposed to prove GL, that people can look out of a window?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   15:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#141. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#139)

She asks some good questions.

BTW GreyLmist, you've got a lot of balls talking about those victims like they were part of a scheme that led to their own demise. Did you bother watching the videos I posted showing the people jumping, and the bystanders viewing it as it was going on?

Are you that screwed up that you have to twist the shit out of even THAT part of what happened to show how whacked out 9/11 truthers must be? That IS apparently what you are doing, jumping from the just plain ridiculous to the most whacked out insane shit imaginable, while at the same time trying to portray yourself as a real seeker of truth, 9/11 truth specifically.

Besides unfounded allegations, do you have any concrete evidence of ANYTHING regarding your "no plane" story? You pretend these millions of people in NYC were oblivious to what was going on, and that all of the on the scene interviews and video must somehow be fake.

Yet, you haven't proven that ANY of it is.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   15:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#142. To: wudidiz (#134)

I have to go to work but when I get back I will continue to argue with you about 9/11.

Think of it, FL.

Of all the options in the world available to me (there are a few), I will be arguing on the internet about 9/11. With You, FL.

This is my most favourite line ever.

In all my years battling with this shit...... Nothing is ever gonna top wudidizs words right there... .

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   15:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#143. To: FormerLurker (#140)

What exactly is this supposed to prove GL, that people can look out of a window?

WTC windows didn't open as the 9/11 jumper fakery would have us believe. Is that simple enough for you this time?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   15:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#144. To: GreyLmist (#143)

WTC windows didn't open as the 9/11 jumper fakery would have us believe. Is that simple enough for you this time?

Hey genius, those windows had been blasted out by the explosions. Are you that dense?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   15:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#145. To: FormerLurker (#144) (Edited)

Hey genius, those windows had been blasted out by the explosions. Are you that dense?

I unbozoed you.

Your statement right there is dense.

YOu would have us believe that , what? All the windows in the building shattered upon impact?

They didn't .

Their are more than enough photos and film to prove very few windows in fact broke... Remarkable and a testament to the WTC construction.

Kinda like the amazing windows at the pentagon....

Funny thing ... windows.

AND HOW ABOUT THAT IMPACT HOLE!

It was cool enough to walk around and even lay down upon yet a jet (Or a high yield incendiary device)had just blew up there not 20 minutes ago.... ....

No windows there. Just an open hole for people to run around or jump from.. I only know of two people recorded in the space of the hole... I don't think either jumped.... ANYWAYS You can go to 911research.wtc7.net/wtc/...nce/photos/wtc1hole1.html

and look at the close up and see that just one floor below still has intact windows.

SO VERY FEW WINDOWS ACTULLY BROKE.... and almost next to none in the floors above and below the impact.

Look for yourself but don't lie to yourself.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   15:54:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#146. To: FormerLurker (#144)

Hey genius, those windows had been blasted out by the explosions. Are you that dense?

What will you be telling us next? That 9/11 was only an inside job at the Pentagon?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   15:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#147. To: titorite (#145)

YOu would have us believe that , what? All the windows in the building shattered upon impact?

They didn't .

I didn't say they did. I said windows were blown out on impact, not ALL the windows of the building were blown out.

Do you know the difference?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   15:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#148. To: GreyLmist (#146)

What will you be telling us next? That 9/11 was only an inside job at the Pentagon?

Are you retarded, or as I already believe, are you really a shillster for Uncle Sam, or is it for Tel Aviv?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   15:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#149. To: GreyLmist, wudidiz, titorite, Original_Intent, RickyJ, tom007 (#146)

Do you think the following video is fake?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#150. To: FormerLurker (#148)

ANYWAYS You can go to 911research.wtc7.net/wtc/...nce/photos/wtc1hole1.html

and look at the close up and see that just one floor below still has intact windows.

SO VERY FEW WINDOWS ACTULLY BROKE.... and almost next to none in the floors above and below the impact.

Look for yourself but don't lie to yourself.

Just in case you missed my edit FL....

I want you or anyone else who feels inclined to look at those pictures, see the intact glass in the floors above and below impact then I want whoever feels like it, to come out, and explain to us all here how people were able to jump through the unbroken windows...

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#151. To: FormerLurker (#149)

Don't forget, the only thing to survive the crashes was an Arab Passport.

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-10-14   16:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#152. To: FormerLurker (#147)

I said windows were blown out on impact, not ALL the windows of the building were blown out.

Do you know the difference?

Do you have any evidence of which ones were blown out and which ones weren't? The non-damage to the building area where the alleged people were standing indicates the windows weren't blasted out there.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   16:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#153. To: FormerLurker (#149)

People who operate by disinformation would attempt to throw out a distraction like this

"Is this video real" BS game.

Forget your video FL. Everyone is talking about these jumpers at the moment.

You got a reason to avoid that topic of conversation?

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:10:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#154. To: GreyLmist, titorite (#152)

Do you either of you have evidence that those who died from jumping from the WTC towers are still alive? Do you have evidence that their families are lying?

Do you have evidence that those who filmed people falling from the towers were using fabricated video, or that those who were on the scene witnessing people jumping were lying, that they were all in on this "no plane" scheme designed to kill 3000 Americans that day?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#155. To: titorite, GreyLmist, wudidiz, *9-11* (#153) (Edited)

Does anyone here claim that these people are lying, or that this video isn't authentic?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#156. To: FormerLurker (#154)

Do you either of you have evidence that those who died from jumping from the WTC towers are still alive?

OOOOOOO

Do you have the evidence that they were ever real in the first place and not fabricated to sell deadly lies?

IN fact how do we know that you are not a brainwashed victim? For all we know you could be one of those air force internet trolls?

Where's your evidence now? Disinformation specialist?

RULE 14: Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best for items qualifying for rule 10.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/lates...-rules-of-disinformation/

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#157. To: FormerLurker (#155) (Edited)

Cool video bro

The topic of conversation was about the jumpers... Not this old fall back position of yours that you are relying upon to change the subject...what do you have against talking about the jumpers Disinformation specialist???

http://vigilantcitizen.com/lates...-rules-of-disinformation/

RULE 17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can “argue” with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#158. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#146)

What will you be telling us next? That 9/11 was only an inside job at the Pentagon?

What will you be telling us next, that the Towers didn't ever really exist? That must be it, no planes, no jumpers, and NO TOWERS! I don't know why I bother with your nonsense. Whatever you are being paid to post this tripe it is too much.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-10-14   16:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#159. To: titorite (#156)

Do you have the evidence that they were ever real in the first place and not fabricated to sell deadly lies?

You're a real piece of work. Now you're not just selling "no planes", you're trying to peddle "no victims".

Perhaps you should go to a 9/11 families get together and try telling your story there, I'm sure you'll convince them that they're all lying.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:35:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#160. To: titorite (#157)

Cool video bro

I'm sure you'd find it cool if it was your brother, sister, mother, father, son, or daughter jumping from a building that was on fire.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#161. To: titorite (#157) (Edited)

The topic of conversation was about the jumpers...

Did you bother watching the video BTW, it WAS showing the jumpers. Or are you so brainwashed you didn't watch it past 5 seconds?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#162. To: RickyJ (#158)

What will you be telling us next? That 9/11 was only an inside job at the Pentagon?

What will you be telling us next, that the Towers didn't ever really exist? That must be it, no planes, no jumpers, and NO TOWERS! I don't know why I bother with your nonsense. Whatever you are being paid to post this tripe it is too much.

I don't know why you bother either? what was the point of it Ricky?

Can you point out which windows were and were not broken and enlighten us as to what floors the jumpers were alleged to jump from......

..... IDK.... I normally avoid this topic of conversation... Wudidiz and Grey are both going to be more knowledgeable on this aspect of the event than I.

Still I can talk about the validity of these jumpers....

Why can't you Ricky? The towers were real and they really fell. But not because planes hit them.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:40:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#163. To: FormerLurker (#154)

this "no plane" scheme designed to kill 3000 Americans that day?

Likely that many wouldn't have really been killed that day by plane-attack illusions -- which would make it more likely for some accomplices to agree to do their part in staging and promoting the attack scenarios. However, many more than that have died since in the Wars because of the 9/11 hoax that you are perpetuating.

Where are the 9/11 Victims? - Social Security Death Index (SSDI) research

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   16:40:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#164. To: GreyLmist (#163)

Likely that many wouldn't have really been killed that day by plane-attack illusions

So what are you trying to say, that the towers didn't collapse, that they're still there?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#165. To: FormerLurker (#159)

#159. To: titorite (#156)

Do you have the evidence that they were ever real in the first place and not fabricated to sell deadly lies?

You're a real piece of work. Now you're not just selling "no planes", you're trying to peddle "no victims".

Perhaps you should go to a 9/11 families get together and try telling your story there, I'm sure you'll convince them that they're all lying.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker posted on 2012-10-14 16:35:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #160. To: titorite (#157)

Cool video bro

I'm sure you'd find it cool if it was your brother, sister, mother, father, son, or daughter jumping from a building that was on fire.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker posted on 2012-10-14 16:38:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #161. To: titorite (#157) (Edited)

The topic of conversation was about the jumpers...

Did you bother watching the video BTW, it WAS showing the jumpers. Or are you so brainwashed you didn't watch it past 5 seconds?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker posted on 2012-10-14 16:39:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

vigilantcitizen.com/lates...-rules-of-disinformation/

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#166. To: RickyJ (#158)

What will you be telling us next, that the Towers didn't ever really exist? That must be it, no planes, no jumpers, and NO TOWERS!

Now it's getting to be no victims. Pretty soon, they'll say it never happened at all, that it was all done in Hollywood, and that the towers are still standing.

Oh wait, that IS what they're saying isn't it?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:44:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#167. To: FormerLurker (#166)

Now it's getting to be no victims. Pretty soon, they'll say it never happened at all, that it was all done in Hollywood, and that the towers are still standing.

Oh wait, that IS what they're saying isn't it?

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.

vigilantcitizen.com/lates...-rules-of-disinformation/

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-14   16:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#168. To: titorite (#165)

Pretty ironic that you seem to have your disinfo rule book at your fingertips. You suck at it dude, go back to disinfo school, since you're obviously doing a piss poor job of it here on 4um.

You're changing the subject from jumpers by posting this crap, and accusing me of changing the subject from jumpers when I post a video showing jumpers.

Are you shooting something up your veins that makes you stupid, or were you just born that way?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-14   16:47:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#169. To: All, *9-11* (#163)

Ping to research at Post #163, YouTube video: Where are the 9/11 Victims?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-10-14   16:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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