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Title: NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
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Published: Aug 1, 2008
Author: Morgan Rose
Post Date: 2012-10-06 10:54:21 by FormerLurker
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COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing movements. These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted movement. Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur operations. Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”. While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements . See a problem here? Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects, academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others. Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501 (c) 3, or “nonprofit” status, However, recent investigations conducted by concerned donors have uncovered that her “foundation” does not retain “nonprofit” status with the IRS. In fact, more rigorous inquires have obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants. “Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple complaints with the FTC and IRS. Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League, Citigroup, and The National Security Council. 3BDigital boasts to have partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defense contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own theories. The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations of COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified. WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD. Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods. Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”. So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors, major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane” pseudo-movement? The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas, before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been fully exposed: the pyschological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel. Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly begs the question: does it get any more transparent?
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#207. To: FormerLurker (#205)
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See the difference? As far as the fake image of a plane, done perhaps years after the fact with Photoshop, what's that supposed to prove? I'm not here to do your ironing for you on all you get twisted around. The purpose of that video was to analyze smoke and explosion anomalies in the PBS video copied from another site. That you see no difference between the poster's underestimation of the duplicity of those who made the film that he was analyzing and malintent to defraud is one example of why I hope you are never called to jury duty. Edit to add: Go to that topic for discussion of that topic beyond the MD-90 plane image at the WTC which you commented on here. Also edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
No matter how you spin it, the author of the "Smoke and Mirrors" video was peddling no planes, and nowhere did he try to clarify the matter by indicating the footage he was examining was known doctored footage; instead, he tries to use it to show proof of "no planes". As far as the fake plane image, why should I care about it? Should I care that YOU are trying to pass it off as proof of no planes, even though it's not an image from 9/11? Don't know if they were lying outright. Could be that some saw props falling from the Towers and thought they were people. No, I didn't use the word "any". What I said was: "There is no smoke coming out of the openings where the alleged jumpers are seen, Ricky." That response was in reference to my video. I hadn't even seen your video at the time but it sure doesn't prove that actual non-coughing people were in smoke coming from those windows. It does show a cloth-waving figure in a window with no smoke. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
As far as the fake plane image, why should I care about it? Should I care that YOU are trying to pass it off as proof of no planes, even though it's not an image from 9/11? Go to the Smoke and Mirrors topic with your wild accusations. I don't know what else you're talking about and don't think you do either. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Exactly. Are you that blind and stupid that you can't see HE'S the one doing the very thing he's ACCUSING me of, where HE'S changing the subject, and then blaming me for what he's done? Or are you on "his team", eh wud? Were you ever really on the side of truth, or were you around us to trick us into thinking you were... Up yours. You pulled it out here on this thread, and after you've had your ass handed to you, all of a sudden you "want to take it to the other thread". As far as "what else I'm talking about", apparently you have a VERY short memory. I was talking about that fake image you're so infatuated with. You know, the one with the fake plane near the WTC, that you keep jumping up and down with all over the forum. Uh huh. For one, you aren't a 9/11 truther since you insist on spreading lies and disinfo. You refuse to accept when you're wrong, and refuse to take actual evidence into consideration if it deflates your "no planes" balloon. For two, I have you pegged as a shill since you do the very things you list as disinfo tactics, while blaming your victims for your own crimes. It's pretty sad that you've been able to trick some people here on the forum into thinking you're some sort of "patriot". I'm glad I'm not one of them, and hopefully, those who have befriended you won't suffer any consequence from their error in judgement. Myself, I have better things to do with my time than to engage in circular arguments with shills and idiots. If you want to believe fairies knocked down the towers, that all the victims were in cahoots with news moguls to kill 3000 Americans that day (including themeselves), and that all news media aired fake attacks which never happened, and that all of the first responders, bystanders, and news media employees were in on it too, along with the airports, airlines, and the families of these "non- existent" victims, well hey, who am I to pop your bubble. Rational minds will see through the "smoke and mirrors" you have erected. Those who can't see through it are a lost cause anyways. Unfortunately, you'll drive away a good share of people who would come to this forum for new evidence or facts pertaining to the subject, and perhaps convince a few of them that the good guys are really the bad guys, and that you yourselves are snow white "9/11 researchers", reinforcing the perception a good number of people already have that 9/11 "truthers" are crackpots and lunatics. My only satisfaction here is that there exists such a thing called "Karma", and that it is universal in nature, and can't be fooled or tricked. Those who are knowlingly perpetuating lies and disinformation WILL be dealt with appropriately for their deeds, and those who are doing it out of stupidity or lack of reason will perhaps suffer a milder form of retribution, if there's any forgiveness to be had for those who do things blindly. Still waiting for that list of witnesses you keep talking about.
I don't know what else you were going on about in that post either but if you had said the above from your first comment on that subject here, which I wasn't discussing until then, this thread would be shorter because I wouldn't have inquired anything of you about it as to evidence or clarification. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
For two, I have you pegged as a shill since you do the very things you list as disinfo tactics, while blaming your victims for your own crimes. It's pretty sad that you've been able to trick some people here on the forum into thinking you're some sort of "patriot". I'm glad I'm not one of them, and hopefully, those who have befriended you won't suffer any consequence from their error in judgement. All that you have proven is your own stupidity. I am alot of things. A husband, a father, a healer, ....A drunk, a hothead, a mess... alot of things. Shill is not one of them. So many people here can personally testify to that. So it is not a big deal to me in spite of your repetitive naziesq attempt at repeating a lie to convince people. The only thing I would ever try to convince anyone of, is the truth. I don't know you from adam FL.... We have not had the pleasure to meet in person. Nor have we corresponded by snail mail. I have however, met and corresponded with many other members here... I am an activist type of guy. Part of that activism was years of my life invested into watching and re-watching the events of that day on my recordings and sharing my findings and insights with others... Years of my life learning about aerodynamics, structural engineering, the us government, it's history ,and so on and so forth.... to learn the truth of the matter means to learn alot more too! Worst of all was learning about people like yourself. You are not a shill. You are not anyone special. You are former Lurker. Just some dude that hangs out on some of the same internet websites that I do... However I think you let the propaganda control you. Do you type with an AM radio on in the backround? I mean you accuse me of the things you are guilty of... you project yourself and your failings onto others...you should do some introspection. Maybe learn a bit more about all that you can. May Be you are wrong and find that too humiliating to accept...... who knows. I hope you overcome the propaganda. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
You had just posted to me about that fake image from your PBS documentary, asking me to provide evidence that there was a MD90 or whatever in the vicinity of the WTC. I had said it's your responsibility to prove the image is real, not mine. I had already said it was a fake, many times. Thing is, you pull it out of your butt trying to sell it as proof of no planes, where you wouldn't even concede the fact that it was fake, and has no basis on 9/11 events since there's no indication that it was ever claimed to be taken on 9/11. Just as so many other groups have been infiltrated, it was just a matter of time before someone decided it was time to do it with 4um members. You haven't fooled me titorite, and your antics on these threads confirm my suspicions about you. Look up the names of 9/11 survivors, be they office workers, firemen, or policemen. Look up the names of the myraid number of reporters and camera operators who were there. Call them and ask them if they are lying. You haven't fooled me titorite, and your antics on these threads confirm my suspicions about you. I'm glad I have not fooled you and yet you still appear to remain the fool. 4um infiltrated.... as if we are some sort of paramilitary threat or retain rights to oil or some shit.... This is a public website. Not a clandestine organisation. Free your mind. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
Your post is erratic flailing. I have never tried to imply that the MD-90 image was real or proof of no planes. It is indicative of Media Fakery, which you at first tried to excuse away in the topic of those discussions as just a dramatization, even though there were numerous dramatic WTC "plane" imageries of 9/11 that could have been used instead. You referred to it here as if it was a plane image near the WTC but not attributed to that particular day. So, I asked you for evidence of a plane in WTC restricted airspace at some other time that might explain it as you had commented. Let's just agree that the image is evidentiary of Media Fakery and move on now from that communications glitch. Edited for spelling + to reword 1st, 3rd and last sentences. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Call them and ask them if they are lying. Pack your bags, we're goin on a guilt trip. Can't you even name one? If you want to ride the disinfo boat and pretend not one of the millions of people of NYC are valid witnesses, and that the passengers of the doomed flights never existed, that all of those involved in the news rooms, production staff, and on-scene reporters and camera crews, along with first responders, bystanders, and victims, along with the passengers, flight crews, airlines, airports, and air traffic controllers, were all part of a conspiracy hatched to fool the public that planes hit the towers, while killing 3000 Americans that day (or don't you think ANYONE was killed), well who am I to pop your bubble. Go on thinking whatever it is you want to believe wududiz, I really don't care. You say that and yet you delusionally cling on to this subject with sociopathic obsession .... I am sure wudidiz cares.. I know I do... as does GreylMist.... we all care very much.. it is only our care that sustains us when interacting with folks such as yourself FL.... It is not Disinfo because you declare it so. In fact only the enemy makes broad sweeping generalisations of declerations... The mission is NOT accomplished. We SHOULD tolerate outragous conspiracy theories ..... WE DO ALLY OURSELVES AGAINST THE ENEMIES OF TRUTH! We care,. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
No planners don't want to ride the disinfo boat, they are the disinfo boat. They keep posting their nonsense in an effort to make anyone who sees the thread who doesn't know the truth leave and think 9/11 truthers are nuts.
God is always good!
No tit, it is you and your fellow coworkers that won't stop talking about the nonsense of no planes and now no jumpers. If it was my forum all of you would be banned by now.
God is always good!
Care? No it is your paycheck for spreading disinfo that you care about, you care nothing about the truth of 9/11. God is always good!
That was accomplished a long time ago with BeAChooser. Not sure what happened to that guy, probably moved on to a site that had more traffic. God is always good!
You really are that dumb! I don't agree with Former Lurker on many things, but on 9/11 he is spot on. Spreading disinfo as you are doing is keeping the hoax alive. Real 9/11 truthers don't try to use illogical arguments to proclaim a very unlikely scenario the truth! God is always good!
I wasn't talking about online. There have been shills here since before I even signed up for 4um. BAC was just a refugee from ElPee who was trying to keep his persona across differenet forums pretending to be a "sincere poster", even though everyone knew he was a shill. No, I'm talking about something different. What it is that they're trying to do besides drive away readers is to exhaust those they see as a threat to their agenda. They've been tag teaming me for weeks now, then THEY yell "disinfo" and claim themselves to be "caring" of 9/11 Truth. Thanks, I think? :) I can see you're very attached to the idea that there were planes, but why is it that you can't name one witness? Why should I have to go to new york and interview people there? Doesn't the gov't have a list of eyewitnesses? Does anyone? I mean, this was a serious event... didn't anyone take names of witnesses that say they saw a plane? I certainly would have had I been in charge. You'd think it'd be on the internet somewhere and that someone as convinced as yourself would have seen it. My goodness.
Do you have even ONE witness who'll testify as to what YOU claim? Anyone from a news agency, a reporter, a camera man, bystander, survivor, fireman, airport worker, airline employee, family member, ANYONE? Were ALL those people "in on it"? I've shown you a clip of live coverage and interviews from 9/11, THOSE are but some of the witnesses. And they ALL said people were jumping. Are you also saying that there WERE no jumpers, as your pals are saying? where? Thats a cute smiley face and all but I think RickyJ is a guy.... Getting older too.... how do those mid late 20s look? RIcky J I mean... I know he aint the young teen no more..... Also how you responded to RickyJs post twice... The same exact fucking post... Spam much? You're not a dis info agent asshole... stop using their play book That is what I talked about when I said "To use the disinformation tactics is to live by it." Here RickyJ is on your side and your all "thanks I think?" DUDE.. don't snipe him... he is all you got. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
I suppose you would not fight for my right to say what I need to say even if you disagreed with what I had to say. Thats a damn shame because even though I am an Anarchist I totally agree with the first amendment of the US constitution and the right of freespeech and the upmost paramount importance of allowing and even defending and protecting your say.... even when I disagree with it. Thank goodness the forum owner is a hardline free speech advocate. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
I posted the clip several times on this thread. It was the clip concerning the jumpers, go back and wade through the spam your pals have been spewing on this thread and find it, I posted it to you directly, so it shouldn't be too difficult. Oh yeah, your friend titorite remarked that he thought it was "cool" that people were getting splattered on the ground below. BTW wudidiz, do you agree with your no plane brethren that the jumpers were "faked", and that "Israeli art students" were tossing dummies off the towers instead? Do you feel as GreyLmist, that the entrance holes and people standing in the broken windows were really filmed at a studio in Hollywood? Me at #163: Likely that many wouldn't have really been killed that day by plane-attack illusions -- which would make it more likely for some accomplices to agree to do their part in staging and promoting the attack scenarios. However, many more than that have died since in the Wars because of the 9/11 hoax that you are perpetuating. [YouTube video] Where are the 9/11 Victims? - Social Security Death Index (SSDI) research RickyJ at #231: You really are that dumb! I don't agree with Former Lurker on many things, but on 9/11 he is spot on. Spreading disinfo as you are doing is keeping the hoax alive. Real 9/11 truthers don't try to use illogical arguments to proclaim a very unlikely scenario the truth! RickyJ posted at 4um on March 2, 2012 re: alleged Flt. 93 in Shanksville, PA FL thinks there was no Flt. 77 at the Pentagon. Both of you are evidently semi-No Planers but act as WTC Gatekeeper zealots for the perps in New York and as sci-fi storytellers there of a limited hangout -- working to keep enough of the legendary plane-strike scenarios hobbling along among the public as a cover story for all that's transpired since with the foreign Wars and Police State constructions here. To that end you are even willing to proclaim a remote control techno-belief system with physics-defying and aeronautical-defying capabilities -- disinfo very closely in step with likewise unscientific official lines about the 9/11 hoax. Yet, you alternate between that plane-prop implausibility and invoking the sciences/scientific method as if they actually support your hypothesis about it but, logically speaking, they don't really. Remote control doesn't make planes exempt from ground effects, or able to exceed their structural speed limits, nor glide easily into buildings rather than breaking apart on the outside. You have stalled the 9/11 Truth Movement for over a decade with your dictatorial and evidenceless remote control rut that goes nowhere. Why? Because you are 9/11 Marketeers and group-think enforcers, not representatives of 9/11 Truthseekers. Edited sentence 2. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You're like talking to a brick wall. I showed you where to go to see how the entrance holes could have been rigged, even in the shape of a plane. [Edit to add: Click here again.] Now tell us why there are no coughing, smoke-exposed people in your video. [Edit to add: Where do you see broken windows there?] And those buildings were nearly a quarter mile high. People believing they saw jumpers at a distance isn't evidence of real jumpers. But here's what passes for evidence of someone supposedly killed by a jumper falling on them: 9-11 Pic: "Fr. Mychal Judge", alleged casualty Edited for grammar + sentence 2 rewording + 2 bracketed inserts. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I posted the clip several times on this thread. It was the clip concerning the jumpers, go back and wade through the spam your pals have been spewing on this thread and find it, I posted it to you directly, so it shouldn't be too difficult. That's your evidence of planes hitting the wtc? A video taken with news audio in the background? You heard that people saw it on tv so it must be true? Wow. How convincing. /s . South Tower Anomalies III - Addressing the Debunkers ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestYes the PBS documentary contained doctored footage, we agree. HOWEVER, the "Smoke and Mirrors" author presents it as ACTUAL footage from 9/11.
#208. To: GreyLmist (#207)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#209. To: FormerLurker (#206)
So you're saying that video is fake then, right? All those witnesses viewing what was happening are lying too, right? Where is your PROOF of this GL?
And BTW, you had made a general statement to Ricky saying that there was NO SMOKE coming from any window where people were standing. I proved you wrong.
#210. To: FormerLurker (#208)
No matter how you spin it, the author of the "Smoke and Mirrors" video was peddling no planes, and nowhere did he try to clarify the matter by indicating the footage he was examining was known doctored footage; instead, he tries to use it to show proof of "no planes".
#211. To: titorite, FormerLurker, *Post Of The Day*, *9-11* (#172)
I find your willing use of those dirty tactics to be just awful. No truther would do that. Doing so invalidates credibility. Truthers want to talk about the truth no matter what it might be .... they do not attempt to distract others from speaking about what may be an uncomfortable truth.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#212. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent, Twenty Twelve, RickyJ, tom007 (#211)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#213. To: GreyLmist (#210)
Go to the Smoke and Mirrors topic with your wild accusations. I don't know what else you're talking about and don't think you do either.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#214. To: titorite, *9-11* (#172)
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I find your willing use of those dirty tactics to be just awful. No truther would do that. Doing so invalidates credibility. Truthers want to talk about the truth no matter what it might be .... they do not attempt to distract others from speaking about what may be an uncomfortable truth.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#215. To: All (#214)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#216. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#215)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#217. To: FormerLurker (#213)
that fake image ... the one with the fake plane near the WTC
#218. To: FormerLurker (#214)
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Uh huh. For one, you aren't a 9/11 truther since you insist on spreading lies and disinfo. You refuse to accept when you're wrong, and refuse to take actual evidence into consideration if it deflates your "no planes" balloon.
#219. To: GreyLmist (#217)
I don't know what else you were going on about in that post either but if you had said the above from your first comment on that subject here, which I wasn't discussing until then
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#220. To: titorite (#218)
I have however, met and corresponded with many other members here... I am an activist type of guy.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#221. To: wudidiz (#216)
Still waiting for that list of witnesses you keep talking about.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#222. To: FormerLurker (#220)
Just as so many other groups have been infiltrated, it was just a matter of time before someone decided it was time to do it with 4um members.
#223. To: FormerLurker (#219)
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#224. To: FormerLurker (#221)
Look up the names of 9/11 survivors, be they office workers, firemen, or policemen. Look up the names of the myraid number of reporters and camera operators who were there.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#225. To: wudidiz (#224)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#226. To: FormerLurker (#225)
I really don't care.
#227. To: FormerLurker (#225)
#228. To: titorite (#226)
#229. To: titorite (#226)
I am sure wudidiz cares.. I know I do... as does GreylMist.... we all care very much.. it is only our care that sustains us when interacting with folks such as yourself FL....
#230. To: FormerLurker (#220)
Just as so many other groups have been infiltrated, it was just a matter of time before someone decided it was time to do it with 4um members.
#231. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#163)
However, many more than that have died since in the Wars because of the 9/11 hoax that you are perpetuating.
#232. To: RickyJ (#230)
That was accomplished a long time ago with BeAChooser. Not sure what happened to that guy, probably moved on to a site that had more traffic.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#233. To: RickyJ (#231)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#234. To: RickyJ (#231)
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I don't agree with Former Lurker on many things, but on 9/11 he is spot on.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#235. To: FormerLurker (#225)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#236. To: wudidiz (#235)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#237. To: FormerLurker (#236)
clip of live coverage and interviews from 9/11, THOSE are but some of the witnesses.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#238. To: FormerLurker (#234)
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Thanks, I think? :)
#239. To: RickyJ (#228)
If it was my forum all of you would be banned by now.
#240. To: wudidiz (#237)
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where?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#241. To: wudidiz (#237)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#242. To: RickyJ, FormerLurker (#231)
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FormerLurker at #154: this "no plane" scheme designed to kill 3000 Americans that day?
I always wondered about this one. Nothing about it makes much sense unless it was all planned this way. That is there was no one on the plane and that the whole thing was staged. The "let's roll" all staged with the plane being shot out of the sky to cover for the fact that no one was on the damn plane.
#243. To: FormerLurker (#241)
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Do you feel as GreyLmist, that the entrance holes and people standing in the broken windows were really filmed at a studio in Hollywood?
#244. To: FormerLurker, *No Planers* (#240)
where?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#245. To: RickyJ, titorite, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, christine, all, *9-11* (#228)
No tit, it is you and your fellow coworkers that won't stop talking about the nonsense of no planes and now no jumpers. If it was my forum all of you would be banned by now.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#246. To: All, *No Planers* (#243)
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