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Title: NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
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Published: Aug 1, 2008
Author: Morgan Rose
Post Date: 2012-10-06 10:54:21 by FormerLurker
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COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing movements. These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted movement. Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur operations. Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”. While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements . See a problem here? Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects, academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others. Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501 (c) 3, or “nonprofit” status, However, recent investigations conducted by concerned donors have uncovered that her “foundation” does not retain “nonprofit” status with the IRS. In fact, more rigorous inquires have obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants. “Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple complaints with the FTC and IRS. Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League, Citigroup, and The National Security Council. 3BDigital boasts to have partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defense contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own theories. The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations of COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified. WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD. Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods. Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”. So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors, major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane” pseudo-movement? The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas, before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been fully exposed: the pyschological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel. Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly begs the question: does it get any more transparent?
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#22. To: FormerLurker, ORIGINAL_INTENT (#21)
ISRAEL DID 9/11: ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLD zcfresearch.wordpress.com/israel-did-911/
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
It is NOT part of the "no plane" theory which insists all live video of the WTC attacks were prerecorded in some super duper secret high tech news studio, and that ALL of the networks, their reporters, and camera men who were on the scene that day were in on the "faked attacks". You've inflated the numbers again and might think you're "the decider" on defining No Planes Theory but you're not. You're a gatekeeper against No Planes investigations at the WTC and, lo these many years, Mike Rivero over at whatreallyhappened.com has been gatekeeping especially against No Plane at the Pentagon investigations. That's just one example of someone influential who would likely disagree with your insistence that No Plane at the Pentagon folks are to be exempted from classification as No Planers. Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Comment at Who Did 9/11?: http://mybigfatanti-zionistlife.blogspot.com/2009/08/ Israelis in the malls also sell other crappy little toys like airplanes. The van at 6th and King was described as having a mural "with a plane crashing into New York City" (NOT into the WTC) The graphic on the van may have had something to do with this other line of business Suter was involved in (the shopping mall helicopter/plane vendors). Just a thought. Suter was reported some years ago as having re-entered America -- through Canada, iirc. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent AUTHOR FormerLurker Question. IF you think their was no plane at the pentagon why do you deny being a no planer? the events of 911 cover alot more than just wtc7, wtc 1 and 2 , the vanishing gold, all the paper assests ...... come the F on...... No plane at pentagon? Stop denying being a no planer LOL . ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
You folks have been debating the planes/no planes issue for over 10 years now. Each of you likely thinks your theory is correct or as near correct as available information will allow. OK, already !!! We all should be able to agree that the truth hasn't been discussed let alone exposed by the MSM. Their complicity is what should be discussed. The deaths caused by the attack and as a result of 9-11 seem to have been forgotten while the argument about planes or no planes drags on ad nauseum. The fact that 9-11 even happened at all in spite of the billions spent on "security" and "intelligence" should be analyzed. Instead Americans re-elect Bush Jr. and his PNAC crew ... ya gotta be shittin me. Sometimes I get depressed regarding the intellect of the "voting" public. Overall they're really too stupid to have any bearing upon my liberty but my point here is that most of you (FormerLurker, Artisan, GreyLmist, titorite, Original_ Intent) are more intelligent than the general public but here you are focusing upon an irrelevant and unsolvable subject that could be debated until Jesus returns instead of going after the guilty sons of evil/ugly bitches starting with Bush and his family since his mom is the ugliest and his dad is the evilest bitch on earth. Voting in FEDERAL ELECTIONS is a sure sign of the voter's STUPIDITY. Look at what's really going on around you. QE-Infinity - AKA Helicopter Ben's outta duh barn - AKA THERE AIN"T NO FUCKING MONEY. Forget about NO PLANES for a minute and realize that as long as they can print money out of thin air they don't need our taxes. They do that to guarantee that YOU STILL BELIEVE (in their bullshit system), that they still have control over your minds and souls. As long as we continue to accept the current monetary/tax system we are SLAVES and the most vile people upon earth are our masters. If you've fallen for any of the following horseshit you are definitely too stupid to have any effect upon anyone's freedom. [They hate our freedoms (what freedom)], [We must bail out the BANKS (banks already have ALL the money)], [If you don't vote, you have no right to complain (when we kill your kids or steal your wealth)], - and how about focusing on NO CANDIDATE instead of no planes. NO CHOICE-AGAIN and again and again. "In an unjust society, the only place for a just man is prison." Thoreau
FormerLurker will probably be along shortly to inform you of their doctrine that there's no such thing as MSM complicity concerning 9/11 and the WTC in New York. I understand what you're saying. I've posted lots of evidence about 9/11 suspects and their linkages that generally get studiously suppressed/dismissed and the focus reset to targeting No Planers instead. The security and intel questions as to why 9/11 happened are important but it is also important to determine how it happened in order for accurate charges to be addressed. The No Planes investigation leads to Black Market trafficking in dual use parts like gyroscopes for guided missiles. Some COINTELPRO-type people are very motivated to undermine research in that direction but Boeing has a known history of over 100 such Arms Export Control Act violations. Thanks in advance for whatever patience you can muster through these issues. Edited punctuation and sentence 4 of paragraph 2. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Americans need to admit that what serves as "our" government is actually destroying everything we hold dear regardless of the finer points of discussion or debate. All it takes to defeat the FED is a unified resistance. In any other circumstance where we find out we're being cheated - we simply quit. Why not quit getting cheated by the FED. "In an unjust society, the only place for a just man is prison." Thoreau
I agree and was going next to one of your threads to discuss those matters but had to reboot.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I'm going to work ! Have a nice day ! "In an unjust society, the only place for a just man is prison." Thoreau
You have a nice day too, noone. See ya later.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Uh, nope. I've never seen any serious person discuss it before here on forum. It wasn't till wudidiz, GreyLmist, and titorite began plastering another 9/11 thread with their "no plane" snake oil several weeks ago that I actually responded with any sort of post pertaining to the possibility of "no planes". It is absurd to hammer away on such a ridiculous theory where there is no evidence of such, and there are enough facts, scientific data, and historical documentation to nail those who were TRULY involved. Thing is, the culprits are STILL at large, and another attack killing thousands of Americans could easily take place today, next week, or next month. THAT is why those who were behind 9/11 need to be identified, and the public needs to be informed of the evidence. Discussing "no planes" only muddies the waters, and discredits legitimate researchers who have actual scientific data PROVING 9/11 was an "inside job". You sir are a liar. I've been exposing the 9/11 coverup for 10 years now, which of course the MSM is a part of. The coverup includes fraudulent video of bin Laden (which has been acknowledged by experts as being fraudulent), parroting of government disinformation without any sort of verification of such claims, non-reporting of critical information (such as the status of those arrested on 9/11 who were found with tons of explosives on the George Washington Bridge) and hit pieces such as that from Popular Mechanics which build straw men and knock them down. In fact, the "no planes" theory is one of those strawmen, built on a deck of cards any serious researcher could knock down in a second, yet sufficient to make the general pubic think that most if not all 9/11 "truthers" are raving lunatics. So no, I am not saying the MSM isn't complicit, they ARE complicit in the COVERUP. But that's not to say that they STAGED the 9/11 attacks themselves, and convinced every employee in their control rooms, news rooms, and on the scene, to air fraudulent video live and pretend something was happening which wasn't, while at the same time being complicit in the murder of 3000 Americans. BTW spinster, I never said there was NO PLANE at the Pentagon. I said that whatever it was that hit the Pentagon, it wasn't a Boeing 757. It was SOME sort of aircraft, and there MAY have been a decoy aircraft flying in the general vicinity which WAS an airliner, but I've never said the television networks faked the attacks, yet were involved with the murder of 3000 Americans, such as yourself and fellow travellers.
A valid point..... I too would like to see less apathy and more activity.... I'm always telling folks at work that they should care more.... ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
Thing is, they were caught red-handed with tons of explosives in a van on the George Washington Bridge that day, AND they were caught blowing up a truck on King Street in NYC that morning. And it is obvious this important information has been suppressed intentionally. With six corporate medias in the US all owned by the military industrial complex. Isn't it amazing what can be done with Photoshop these days? The "no-planes" does not pass the smell test. There is too much independent footage, too many witnesses, and it would simply be technologically more advanced and complicated than I credit the gooburmunt with. No, the planes did not bring down the buildings, but the combination of internal demolition charges (nano-thermites and possibly a micro-nuke or two) along with some type of microwave or particle beam better accounts for the observed phenomena - particularly in terms of the microfine concrete dust. No, the "no planes" is planted disinformation - of that I am pretty well convinced just in terms of logic and known, or even extrapolated, available technology. Outstanding!!!
What would be outstanding would be if the "no planers" would give it a rest and stop spamming 9/11 threads with their antics, and stop attacking posters who try to show them why they're wrong. As I said earlier, it only detracts from the actual documented evidence which nails the true perps. I'm pretty well convinced that dismissive opinions like yours on the issue are not based on evidentiary research but narrative bias.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Says you the vendetta driven, who constantly avoids or frenetically detracts from practically all of the documented evidence I've posted -- much of it on Israeli suspects that you claim is of paramount importance and some of it in this very thread, as an example of what I mean. Odd that, to say the least, Partial No Planer. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Well, now you have. Edit to add: Funny how you missed it before when I've stated my No Planes views here a number of times in earlier discussions where you were prolifically posting. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Just to reiterate, you have it wrong. I have NOT been "debating planes or no planes for 10 years". I have been involved with 9/11 research for 10 years, which includes controlled demolition of the towers and the reasons why it HAD to have been controlled demolition of some type. I've been involved with the matter of how physically impossible it would be for a person who couldn't fly a Cessna to have performed an impossible feat with a 757 airliner, flying it with its engines 3 feet off the ground at over 500 mph and striking the ground floor of the Pentagon with its nose level, and without so much as scraping the lawn. I've been involved in presenting the timelines leading up to 9/11, including the Unocol pipeline negotiations with the Taliban, where having failed, led up to actions indicating a US/British invasion of Afghanistan was immiment, days BEFORE the 9/11 attacks occured. Besides that and other significant information, I've posted information regarding Israeli Mossad involvement with the 9/11 attacks, including the arrests of those found with tons of explosives on the George Washington Bridge that day, as well as those who actually blew up a truck on King Street in NYC on the morning of the attacks. It is those who consider themselves "no planers" who have brought up this "no planes" topic, spamming 9/11 threads with their disinformation and fraudulent "evidence", who have turned this into what it has become. So don't try to lay blame on those who stand their ground and don't allow themselves to be silenced on matters providing evidence which SHOULD have been sufficient to bring criminal charges against the actual perps behind the 9/11 attacks. Well, now you have. I've always thought the folks at Lewrockwell were very serious, along with stephan ledman, and the ridely report, and others....... just to mention a few serious minded folks. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
Who do you think you are, the owner of this 4um? This is a No Planer topic, isn't it? Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
It is a thread about "no planers", and I was responding to someone who said we should all stop discussing "no planes". So who do you think YOU are? Keeping bumping the thread, I'm sure more people will get to read about "no planes". That's what you want, right?
Evidence that you're a serpentine prevaricator can be found here at Post #80 in the Smoke and Mirrors topic. If you really thought it was a ridiculous theory, you wouldn't be absurdly hammering away on it so much. There is evidence and you could simply scroll up to find some of it. You're obviously not interested in evidence, though, but control and censorship. Thing is, the culprits are STILL at large What's wrong with that picture, Mr. Know-it-All? Hint: Not No Planers. Discussing "no planes" only muddies the waters, and discredits legitimate researchers who have actual scientific data PROVING 9/11 was an "inside job". No Planes research is legitimate research that also involves technical data capable of PROVING 9/11 was an inside job. Unlike your pop-culturati faction, it completely eliminates the pretext for the Wars and Police State Tyrannies and it also supports scientific physics and aerodynamics data, as you've been told repeatedly. You don't really care if the public is informed about the evidence, nor about properly identifying those who were behind 9/11 before they might strike again at thousands of Americans, let alone who in the world is being buried in their lies. Your detours around issues like the Art Students in- residence at the WTC within the strikezone there for 4 years until 9/11 speaks volumes about your misplaced priorities and your real motives in attacking No Planers to squelch awareness on what is beyond your storyline vice-grip like a fearmongering remote controller gone haywire. [Reference Posts #13, #15 and #16 at 4um Title: Killers of Americans run Romney campaign, US courts and media ‘Rabbi Dov Zakheim, who was the Pentagon comptroller at the time of the 9/11 attacks, is now top foreign policy advisor to US presidential contender Mitt Romney.’] Edited 2nd paragraph. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
So who do you think YOU are? Not a spammer or I think I would have heard about it from the 4um owner, not you stomping around and jumping up and down about it over and over. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Wow. Providing a link to your own wrongdoing is pretty disingenious of you. Good luck with that. Really? What was I supposed to do, just ignore your continuous posts to me? Bullshit. You have not provided ONE SHRED of scientific data or evidence in regards to what you claim. Instead, you post accusations, invalid assertions, and make unfounded statements based on your opinion, with nothing in the way of actual evidence. The coverup includes fraudulent video of bin Laden (which has been acknowledged by experts as being fraudulent), parroting of government disinformation without any sort of verification of such claims, non-reporting of critical information (such as the status of those arrested on 9/11 who were found with tons of explosives on the George Washington Bridge) and hit pieces such as that from Popular Mechanics which build straw men and knock them down. In fact, the "no planes" theory is one of those strawmen, built on a deck of cards any serious researcher could knock down in a second, yet sufficient to make the general pubic think that most if not all 9/11 "truthers" are raving lunatics. So no, I am not saying the MSM isn't complicit, they ARE complicit in the COVERUP. But that's not to say that they STAGED the 9/11 attacks themselves, and convinced every employee in their control rooms, news rooms, and on the scene, to air fraudulent video live and pretend something was happening which wasn't, while at the same time being complicit in the murder of 3000 Americans. Again, you're overinflating the numbers and underestimating the actions of those who secretively went to War against us. It's your crowd that wants the general public to associate No Planes 9/11 truthers as "raving lunatics", not those of us you seek to outcast. If you would stop your No Planes assaults for a bit, we could discuss a straw-bunny knock-down concept by the Gelitin art group that was in-residence at the WTC. It's on a mountain in Italy and reportedly gets a lot of views on Google Maps. It's a giant pink bunny that is said to be seeable from the International Space Station. The "artists" suggest people climb on it for picnics (bad idea) and plan to leave it there until 2025, iirc. "So what?" you might be thinking, but it also has "artsy-craftsy" guts spilling out of a hole in one of its sides as if dead. You can see a gruesome sketching of it at this link: PREPARING THE WTC FOR DESTRUCTION (posted at #16 of the 2nd thread I referenced in my previous post at #48). Ask yourself how demented that is and if they should be shrugged off anymore by you as suspects. If you can do that and reply with some civility, we could discuss the live-film of New York from a distance rolling that day by another artist there, Wolfgang Staehl, which I suspect could be what G.W. Bush might have been watching (like he said) on a special televised circuit with some level of inside job foreknowledge. Otherwise, without anticipated attacks, it would have been a very dull movie to be viewing. If you'd rather not and would like to just move around that and proceed directly to throwing him in jail with whatever your collections of data are concerning him... The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder - Information Clearing House By Vincent Bugliosi Edited section with the 2nd and 3rd link-refs. for accuracy and readability. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
What do you mean -- like your remote control speculations? I'm going to give you another opportunity to quit projecting your obnoxious stormings and whatnot onto me and reply civilly to my prior post. Edit for spacings and to add PS: Good Luck with that. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Blah blah blah space aliens blah blah blah MSM blahblah blah disinfo. Edited for emphasis. You say that after you've assumed there were planes. I don't think there were. 911 Truth? What's that? Independent footage? Witnesses? Really? You don't think videos can be faked and aired on tv? Really? Edited for emphasis. What? MSM disinfo...about space aliens? I'd only be surprised if you had managed to reply in a civil fashion with true concern and attention to the evidence. If you think that's going to be interpreted by the general public as something from your camp which is a more coherent and persuasive 9/11 thesis than No Planes, think again. So, what should we call that noiZ, FL? More sound and fury from you signifying nothing? -- or might it be your transcribed version of one those ATC tape-fragments of yore that an FAA supervisor supposedly (but not very logically) meant to utterly destroy and hideaway collectively in various litter bins? Edited for spelling, expansion, wording, formatting and readability. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The "no-planes" does not pass the smell test. There is too much independent footage, too many witnesses, and it would simply be technologically more advanced and complicated than I credit the gooburmunt with. No, the planes did not bring down the buildings, but the combination of internal demolition charges (nano-thermites and possibly a micro-nuke or two) along with some type of microwave or particle beam better accounts for the observed phenomena - particularly in terms of the microfine concrete dust. No, the "no planes" is planted disinformation - of that I am pretty well convinced just in terms of logic and known, or even extrapolated, available technology. NO.... what was amazing is what graphic technologies were available back on September tenth 2001... the day before. ....Man.... You should not just say "Disinfo" and dismiss me outta hand. THis is not dis-info.... this is an unhappy realization. Years of observation and ...unwanted conclusion... yet it is what it is. LIke the microwave thing you refer too... are you really gonna acknowledge that fucked up spire and disavow the possiblity of CGI effects and planted charicter acotrs? ... The producers of the news media play a big role in 911... from fox to NBC and on and on.. many of the on the ground reporter, interviewers, and interviees were " Major News Media Producers" ....... BIG FREAKING COINCIEDENCE THAT!!!! Ever seen wag the dog? It is a propaganda war man... To fight it they need as much diversion as possible. With us truth seekers the wilder the truth the better,,,, It was controlled demolition...WTC 7 was totally conventional..... wtc 1 and 2 and the surrounding buildings were not conventional... those were a combination of DEW weapons and conventionals... I think the conventionals were used to make the plane holes and destroy the tops......... From all that I read and know of WTC 1 and 2... they were built like all modern sky scrapers with a destroy plan ( a forethought plan of building removal for when it became outdated) .. it was so huge and new (I love the tube within a tube concept) built in three sections ... to eventually be destroyed in three sections starting from the top down.... And if you follow the squibs and blow outs that is pretty much what it looks like. Top section first, then mid section, then bottom and spire ......freaky,,, As you learn about areodynamics, and wake vortex and videographic alteration ......man.... things become apparent. in 93 the plan failed because an untrusted asset was used. in 2001 their were no untrusted assets , no way for anyone uncommited to fuck ip the evil plan twice. The pentagon plane couldn't bank and survive those alleged angles of desent... the WTC plans can not have multple flight paths leading into the impact points,... those cell phone calls are BS, WTF is up with the atomization of it all... AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! NO!!!! Discount nothing until you can prove it wrong.... Their was no WIFI connections for those remote connections. Not Atop WTC1 september elvenenth two thousand and one. ..... Remote planes.... I wanted to believe that at one point... I went about to prove it as I looked for the evidence... Truth lead me to the sad strange truth instead. THE PATH OF "THE LEAST AMOUNT OF EFFORT USED TO OVERCOME THE MOST RESISTANCE" IS, WHAT WAS ENACTED! Deadly Shadow puppet games used to distract a people from ever getting to the truth. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
They showed us fake videos cuz that was a hell of a lot easier than flying planes into the wtc. Cheaper too. All the videos are fake. Why? Why not just show real videos? Because there aren't any. as ive said before i dont think its too important if there were planes or not. for example obviously there was no plane in pentagon or PA. Why not agree that the towers were blown up by the govt & go from there. oppose police state, wars, torture, etc.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
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#23. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#19)
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Hey genius, HOW MANY TIMES do you need to be reminded of the fact that we are talking about the WTC attacks in terms of "no planes"? It's been acknowledged MANY times that a 757 not only DIDN'T strike the Pentagon, but COULDN'T have struck the Pentagon as described.
#24. To: Artisan, *9-11* (#22)
I managed to track down Mr. [Dominic] Suter to the Zoomcopter biz
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#25. To: ALL AND I Mean Ping people yall. (#24)
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#26. To: FormerLurker, Artisan, GreyLmist, titorite, Original_ Intent (#15)
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#27. To: noone222, FormerLurker, *9-11*, *No Planers* (#26)
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#28. To: GreyLmist (#27)
#29. To: noone222 (#28)
#30. To: GreyLmist (#29)
I agree and was going next to one of your threads to discuss those matters but had to reboot.
#31. To: noone222 (#30)
#32. To: noone222, Artisan, GreyLmist, titorite, Original_ Intent (#26)
You folks have been debating the planes/no planes issue for over 10 years now. Each of you likely thinks your theory is correct or as near correct as available information will allow. OK, already !!!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#33. To: GreyLmist, noone222, *9-11* (#27)
FormerLurker will probably be along shortly to inform you of their doctrine that there's no such thing as MSM complicity concerning 9/11 and the WTC in New York.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#34. To: GreyLmist (#23)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#35. To: noone222 (#28)
Americans need to admit that what serves as "our" government is actually destroying everything we hold dear regardless of the finer points of discussion or debate.
#36. To: FormerLurker (#21)
t is not that I do not think that there were Israelis involved, but that they were not in charge of the Op but just one of the players.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#37. To: titorite (#20)
One plane can not be caught on camera flying on different flight paths.
#38. To: noone222 (#26)
#39. To: christine, noone222 (#38)
Outstanding!!!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: Original_Intent (#37)
#41. To: FormerLurker (#39)
it only detracts from the actual documented evidence which nails the true perps.
#42. To: FormerLurker (#32)
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I've never seen any serious person discuss it before here on forum.
#43. To: noone222, christine, All (#26)
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Overall they're really too stupid to have any bearing upon my liberty but my point here is that most of you (FormerLurker, Artisan, GreyLmist, titorite, Original_ Intent) are more intelligent than the general public but here you are focusing upon an irrelevant and unsolvable subject that could be debated until Jesus returns instead of going after the guilty sons of evil/ugly bitches starting with Bush and his family since his mom is the ugliest and his dad is the evilest bitch on earth.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#44. To: GreyLmist (#42)
I've never seen any serious person discuss it before here on forum.
#45. To: FormerLurker (#43)
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spamming 9/11 threads
#46. To: GreyLmist (#45)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: titorite (#44)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#48. To: FormerLurker (#32)
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It wasn't till wudidiz, GreyLmist, and titorite began plastering another 9/11 thread with their "no plane" snake oil several weeks ago that I actually responded with any sort of post pertaining to the possibility of "no planes".
It is absurd to hammer away on such a ridiculous theory where there is no evidence of such,
and there are enough facts, scientific data, and historical documentation to nail those who were TRULY involved.
and another attack killing thousands of Americans could easily take place today, next week, or next month. THAT is why those who were behind 9/11 need to be identified, and the public needs to be informed of the evidence.
#49. To: FormerLurker (#46)
It is a thread about "no planers", and I was responding to someone who said we should all stop discussing "no planes".
#50. To: GreyLmist (#48)
Evidence that you're a serpentine prevaricator can be found here at Post #80 in the Smoke and Mirrors topic.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#51. To: GreyLmist (#48)
If you really thought it was a ridiculous theory, you wouldn't be absurdly hammering away on it so much.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#52. To: GreyLmist (#48)
No Planes research is legitimate research that also involves technical data capable of PROVING 9/11 was an inside job.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#53. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#33)
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I've been exposing the 9/11 coverup for 10 years now, which of course the MSM is a part of.
Bugliosi presents a tight, meticulously researched legal case that puts George W. Bush on trial in an American courtroom for the murder of nearly 4,000 American soldiers and over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women, and children; cost the United States over one trillion dollars thus far with no end in sight; and alienated many American allies in the Western world. Continue
#54. To: FormerLurker (#52)
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Bullshit. You have not provided ONE SHRED of scientific data or evidence in regards to what you claim. Instead, you post accusations, invalid assertions, and make unfounded statements based on your opinion, with nothing in the way of actual evidence.
#55. To: GreyLmist (#53)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: Original_Intent, Artisan (#17)
The "no-plane" nonsense seems pretty clearly to be disinformation planted to disinform, discredit 911 Truth, and mislead.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#57. To: Original_Intent, titorite (#37)
The "no-planes" does not pass the smell test. There is too much independent footage, too many witnesses, and it would simply be technologically more advanced and complicated than I credit the gooburmunt with.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#58. To: FormerLurker (#55)
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Blah blah blah space aliens blah blah blah MSM blahblah blah disinfo.
#59. To: Original_Intent (#37)
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Isn't it amazing what can be done with Photoshop these days?
#60. To: titorite, Original_Intent (#59)
THE PATH OF "THE LEAST AMOUNT OF EFFORT USED TO OVERCOME THE MOST RESISTANCE" IS, WHAT WAS ENACTED!
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#61. To: wudidiz (#56)
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