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Title: State Department official: Negotiations to extend U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan starting soon
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URL Source: http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/p ... roop_presence_in_afghanistan_s
Published: Oct 16, 2012
Author: FP
Post Date: 2012-10-16 15:03:42 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 173
Comments: 15

Despite statements by Vice President Joe Biden, the State Department is about to begin formal negotiations over the extension of U.S. troops past 2014, a top State Department official said Tuesday.

Last week, U.S. and Afghan negotiators met in Kabul to talk about the Bilateral Security Agreement that will govern the extension of U.S. troops past 2014, when President Barack Obama said the combat mission in Afghanistan will end and the U.S. will complete the transition of the entire country to Afghan government control.

Also last week, Biden told Americans during his Oct. 11 debate with Republican vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan that U.S. troops were leaving Afghanistan by 2014.

"We are leaving in 2014, period, and in the process, we're going to be saving over the next 10 years another $800 billion," Biden said. "We've been in this war for over a decade. The primary objective is almost completed. Now all we're doing is putting the Kabul government in a position to be able to maintain their own security. It's their responsibility, not America's."

Marc Grossman, the State Department's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, explained today that's not the whole story.

Grossman said Tuesday that the point of the upcoming negotiations is to agree on an extension of the U.S. troop presence well past 2014, for the purposes of conducting counterterrorism operations and training and advising the Afghan security forces.

In May, Obama and Afghan President Hamid Karzai signed a Strategic Partnership Agreement that promised an ongoing U.S. commitment to Afghanistan through 2024. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced Oct. 3 that Grossman's deputy, James Warlick, will be the lead U.S. negotiator for the Bilateral Security Agreement that will follow. Karzai's Ambassador to Washington Eklil Hakimi will lead the negotiations for the Afghan side.

Grossman said that while meetings on "how we will manage our forces going forward in Afghanistan," have already taken place, formal negotiations have not yet begun. Once the negotiations formally start, the Bilateral Security Agreement must be completed within one year, according to the Strategic Partnership agreement, Grossman explained.

Some U.S. military officials have said the plan is to keep 25,000 American troops in Afghanistan past 2014, but Grossman insisted that there is no number yet and the 25,000 figure quoted in reports is speculative. NATO announced Monday that it will also keep international troops in Afghanistan past 2014 alongside U.S. troops, not for combat but strictly for the mission of training and advising the Afghans.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

US'll be there as long as the poppy-fields need protecting, like forever.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-10-16   15:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

But Biden said "We are leaving in 2014" really slowly and more than once to make a point. WTH?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-10-16   15:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Lod (#1)

among other stuff that they got that .gov wants....

christine  posted on  2012-10-16   15:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#3) (Edited)

You're right; it's not just the drugs and the money-laundering for wall st.

Caspian pipeline, precious metals and minerals - lots of things to be harvested from that near-corpse of a country before US is through with it.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-10-16   16:13:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#0)

Grossman said Tuesday that the point of the upcoming negotiations is to agree on an extension of the U.S. troop presence well past 2014, for the purposes of conducting counterterrorism operations and training and advising the Afghan security forces.

How come no one complains when Obongo sends 10,000 Marines to pacify the terrorists in Australia????

Those Aussies running wild over there.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-10-16   16:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

curious, isn't it?

christine  posted on  2012-10-16   16:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#5)

Those Aussies running wild over there.

It's the aborigines over there we should really watch. I think they all speak better English than most of us. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-10-16   16:53:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BTP Holdings, Christine (#7)

It's the aborigines over there we should really watch. I think they all speak better English than most of us. ;)

You two are too young to remember this.

The Marines are going to the NW coast of Australia, to the same area that saw the Japanese come knocking in 1942.

The Australians know full well that a rerun is very possible. That is why we will NEVER LEAVE THE FAR EAST.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-10-16   17:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#8)

The Japanese are not going to invade anyone militarily.

They are doing quite well with their economic advances.

Yes, they have some island squabbles to play with, but, invading Australia? please.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-10-16   17:52:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#5)

Those Aussies running wild over there.

Well, it is a prison colony, after all...

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-10-16   17:58:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lod (#9)

The Japanese are not going to invade anyone militarily.

Sir Lod...

One has to read it carefully.

" The Marines are going to the NW coast of Australia, to the same area that saw the Japanese come knocking in 1942.

The Australians know full well that a rerun( invasion from the North) is very possible. That is why we will NEVER LEAVE THE FAR EAST.

The Japanese are not mentioned in the rerun, the invasion is.

This time it will be the Chinese, I expected everyone to be aware of what Australia knows.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-10-16   18:24:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#11)

OK.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-10-16   18:41:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#8)

You two are too young to remember this.

I'm an informal history student from reading The Barnes Review for many years. I know full well that the Japs were "island hopping" trying to get to Australia. The Chinese are preparing to attack the Philipines as we speak. Who knows what the next step will be? You can bet that the Chinese will not risk all of the trade they get from America in trying to start a war with us. The place I work here in Lamar get lots of parts from China. I guess they saw how well capitalism worked in Hong Kong, and figured they would give it a try.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-10-17   16:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: BTP Holdings (#13)

history student

Not many of those around. Unfortunate.

Perhaps you have come across the fact that we started work at the end of WW1 for the invasion by the Japanese. Congress first appropriated money in 1919 for building the Malinta tunnel on Corregidor.

Pearl Harbor was never a "surprise".

Cynicom  posted on  2012-10-17   19:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#14)

Pearl Harbor was never a "surprise".

No doubt about this. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-10-18   16:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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