Title: Lew Rockwell explains how the Federal Reserve Enables War, Empire, and Destroys the Middle Class Source:
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From the YouTube description: The accused Federal Reserve bomb plotter’s home country wants details on his case. While this may make headlines, we ask Lew Rockwell of the Ludwig Von Mises Institute about one aspect of the Federal Reserve that has not made front page news: how the Fed, with its printing press, may be making war easier. After all, if the people of the United States were asked to write a check every year to the IRS in order to fund the exploding deficits and rising interest payments on the national debt, would they continue to support all these wars? Randolph Bourne may have famously quipped that “war is the health of the state,” but it isn’t the health of the economy, this is for certain. If the American people could identify their miserable economic plight with the actions of the federal reserve and with the hundreds of billions of dollars spent every year on war and defense, it is reasonable to expect that they would simply refuse the burden all together. We will ask Lew Rockwell, Chairman of the Ludwig Von Mises Institute what he thinks, and if he thinks that war is made easier by a pliant and compliant central bank.
And, sticking with this issue of the Federal Reserve as the great “enabler,” what about it’s role in “disabling” and dismembering America’s dwindling middle class? How responsible is the Federal Reserve and its quantitative easing, zero percent interest rate policy for the plight of America’s economy and its society? The two main contenders for the presidency, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, speak often about the Fed. The candidates talk about supporting the middle class in terms of tax cuts, loopholes, and regulation but they don’t discuss the “money” in the middle class’s pockets. We ask Lew Rockwell, Chairman of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, about what happens to the middle class if you don’t address savings.
Lauren's sweater puppies struggling to be free are most distracting from the message...
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
The following quotes from Rockefeller's Memoirs are fascinating:
David Rockefeller then goes on to describe his decision to attend the London School of Economics, and how the way was paved for him through his family's generous grants to the institution from the Laura Spelman Rockefeller Memorial and from the Rockefeller Foundation. He also mentions his father's friendship with Sir William Beveridge, who was the director of the LSE, and who provided accommodations for David only a short walk away from the university.
While enrolled at the LSE the young David Rockefeller was personally tutored in economics by none other than Professor Friedrich A. Hayek. Rockefeller explains,
The economists at LSE were much more conservative than the rest of the faculty. In fact, its economists comprised the major center of opposition in England to Keynes and his Cambridge School of interventionist economics.
"My tutor that year was Friedrich von Hayek, the noted Austrian economist who in 1974 would receive the Nobel Prize for the work he had done in the 1920s and 1930s on money, the business cycle, and capital theory. Like Schumpeter, Hayek placed his trust in the market, believing that over time, even with its many imperfections, it provided the most reliable means to distribute resources efficiently and to ensure sound economic growth. Hayek also believed that government should play a critical role as the rule maker and umpire and guarantor of a just and equitable social order, rather than the owner of economic resources or the arbiter of markets.
Hayek was in his late thirties when I first met him. Indisputably brilliant, he lacked Schumpeter's spark and charisma... Nevertheless, I found myself largely in agreement with his basic economic philosophy."
After spending a year under the care of Hayek at the LSE, David Rockefeller had to make a choice as to where he would finish his college education. It was not a hard choice to make,
" After a year in London I was eager to return to the United States to complete my graduate work at the University of Chicago, which boasted one of the premier economics faculties in the world, including such luminaries as Frank Knight, Jacob Viner, George Stigler, Henry Schultz, and Paul Douglas. I had heard Knight lecture at the LSE and found his more philosophical approach to economics quite compelling. Lionel Robbins knew Knight well and urged me to study with him. ......The fact that Grandfather had helped found the university played a distinctly secondary role in my choice......
Rockefeller didn't learn a damn thing from Hayek, judging by what he's done in his sorry life.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
It's amazing he was taught by such smart people and didn't learn a damn thing.
There was nothing to learn, never has been with anything coming from the minds of Jews that are out to con the infidels.
If you notice the worlds wealth is in control of Jews. That is their goal with world government. Warburg said we would have world government willingly or unwillingly.
The Rockefellers OWNED AND OPERATED von Mises and Hayek.
They were nobodies going nowhere until Rockefellers put them on the dole and brought them to America.
Rockefellers have bought and sold human beings for a hundred years, Mises and Hayek were just two useful idiots.
bwhahahahahahahaha!
The relationship between the Rockefeller foundation and von Mises and Hayek has been well established and has been well known for decades. They were in no way "owned and operated" by the Rockefellers. That is nothing more than your pitiful attempt to de-legitimize their ideas of small government, free markets, and liberty. That you would try to sell the idea that they were nobodies prior to coming to the United States does nothing but prove that you have very little knowledge of the subject or you are an outright liar. Both men were well established and prominent within their fields well before coming to the United States as any simple search engine search would prove.
It has been determined by most that their relationship does not take away from any of their written works. Even with this relationship, the classical liberal, libertarian, and pale-conservative movements all consider both von Mises and Hayek to be two of the greatest political commentators on liberty and Austrian economists of the 20th century. Their books, which I doubt you've ever read or have the mental capacity to understand, speak for themselves.
I guess everyone is stupid but the o' so wise Cynicom. Only Cynicom knows the truth! So what is the truth Cynicom? What exactly are you trying to say? Are all of the small government/anti-socialist and Austrian economic works of von Mises and Hayek some sort of Rockefeller/Rothschild conspiracy? Has everyone been fooled? Considering much of the above mentioned political movements have been heavily influenced by both von Mises and Hayek, should those political movements be ignored? Are those movements Rockefeller/Rothschild conspiracies as well? If von Mises and Hayek were "just two useful idiots" then I guess everything they wrote was false and therefore the before mentioned movements are filled with "useful idiots." That appears to be your stance.
Or maybe the truth is that you disagree with everything they wrote and so are trying to undermine their legitimacy among people you know are likely to never have read their works and who likely know little about them except for their names and will therefore take your word for it.
It is an established fact that you are a lifelong government bureaucrat - the very sort of person von Mises wrote about in his books Bureaucracy, Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis, and Omnipotent Government: The Rise of Total State and Total War. The very sort of person Hayek warned us about in Road to Serfdom and The Political Order of a Free People.
As someone who regularly opposes the idea that people should not be forced to join a union in order to get a job(i.e. right to work laws); as someone who regularly defends, makes excuses for, and attempts to deflect attention away from government atrocities; as someone who tries his hardest to keep people away from the voting booth instead of voting for a third party, it makes perfect sense that you would oppose the political and economic views of von Mises and Hayek, and as such, those of the classical liberal, libertarian, and pale-conservative movements.
You claim to oppose the two-party fraud, therefore a reasonable person can conclude that you are not a Republican nor a Democrat. Due to your hatred of von Mises and Hayek, your pro-forced-union and pro-government atrocity stances, you are obviously not a conservative, libertarian, classical liberal, or paleo-conservative. One has to wonder exactly what your political beliefs are and what your agenda on this board is. It seems obvious to me that you are here with an agenda. You remind me of yukon on Liberty Post in that you are against everything except for big government.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
If you notice the worlds wealth is in control of Jews. That is their goal with world government. Warburg said we would have world government willingly or unwillingly.
So, according to you, since von Mises and Hayek were Jews, they were in league with other Jews to control the worlds wealth and their goal was to create a one world government.
Hmm. Two people who spent their lifetimes crusading against centralized government were in actuality in a cabal to establish a centralized government.
Cynicom would have us believe that the millions of admirers of von Mises and Hayek throughout the world over the last 60+ years have all been bamboozled. Only he was smart enough to understand the "real goal" of von Mises and Hayek. Only he is capable of understanding that all the works concerning small government, individual liberty, and Austrian Economics was really a cover for creating a centralized, Jew-controlled one world government. Only he understands that anyone who believes in what they wrote is a "useful idiot."
To those on the board, let us look at the works of von Mises and Hayek and see if there is any indication of this accusation. Surly people who held such a deep rooted belief and goal would have written about them. Surly they would be champions of centralization.
Book written by von Mises:
The Theory of Money and Credit (1912, enlarged US edition 1953)
Nation, State, and Economy (1919)
"Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth" (1920) (article)
Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis (1922, 1932, 1951)
Liberalismus (1927, 1962 – translated into English, with the new title The Free and Prosperous Commonwealth)
A Critique of Interventionism (1929)
Epistemological Problems of Economics (1933, 1960)
Memoirs (1940)
Interventionism: An Economic Analysis (1941, 1998)
Omnipotent Government: The Rise of Total State and Total War (1944)
Bureaucracy (1944, 1962)
Planned Chaos (1947, added to 1951 edition of Socialism)
Human Action: A Treatise on Economics (1949, 1963, 1966, 1996)
Planning for Freedom (1952, enlarged editions in 1962, 1974, and 1980)
The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality (1956)
Theory and History: An Interpretation of Social and Economic Evolution (1957)
The Ultimate Foundation of Economic Science (1962)
The Historical Setting of the Austrian School of Economics (1969)
Notes and Recollections (1978)
The Clash of Group Interests and Other Essays (1978)
On the Manipulation of Money and Credit (1978)
The Causes of the Economic Crisis, reissue
Economic Policy: Thoughts for Today and Tomorrow (1979, lectures given in 1959)
Money, Method, and the Market Process (1990)
Economic Freedom and Interventionism (1990)
The Free Market and Its Enemies (2004, lectures given in 1951)
Marxism Unmasked: From Delusion to Destruction (2006, lectures given in 1952)'
Ludwig von Mises on Money and Inflation (2010, lectures given in the 1960s)
Book written by Hayek:
Monetary Theory and the Trade Cycle (1929)
Prices and Production (1931)
Monetary Nationalism and International Stability (1937)
Profits, Interest and Investment (1939)
The Pure Theory of Capital (1941)
The Road to Serfdom (1944)
Individualism and Economic Order (1948)
"The Transmission of the Ideals of Economic Freedom," (1951)
John Stuart Mill and Harriet Taylor: Their Friendship and Subsequent Marriage (1951)
The Counter-Revolution of Science: Studies on the Abuse of Reason (1952)
The Sensory Order: An Inquiry into the Foundations of Theoretical Psychology (1952)
The Political Ideal of the Rule of Law (1955)
The Constitution of Liberty (1960)
The Constitution of Liberty: The Definitive Edition (2011)
Studies in Philosophy, Politics and Economics (1967)
A Tiger by the Tail (1972, revised edition 1978)
Law, Legislation and Liberty: A New Statement of the Liberal Principles of Justice and Political Economy
Volume I. Rules and Order (1973) Volume II. The Mirage of Social Justice (1976) Volume III. The Political Order of a Free People (1979)
Denationalisation of Money: An Analysis of the Theory and Practice of Concurrent Currencies (1976)
New Studies in Philosophy, Politics, Economics and the History of Ideas (1978)
1980s Unemployment and the Unions (1980)
The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism (1988)
I'll let others decide the veracity of his opinion. I've believe I've made my opinion on the subject perfectly clear.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
Taking my gentleman's C in macro (nearly forty years ago), I've not done all the original source reading that I should have done.
Too busy paying all the various taxes, I guess...
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Taking my gentleman's C in macro (nearly forty years ago), I've not done all the original source reading that I should have done.
Too busy paying all the various taxes, I guess...
I would just ask for people to not take Cynicom's words as the gospel truth. He obviously dislikes Hayek and von Mises, which he has every right to. However, the reason why he despises them is important.
If you look to the logical conclusion of Cynicom's statements, he is basically saying that classical liberalism, libertarianism, and paleo-conservatism are all political movements based upon falseness and deception, that falseness and deception being small government, individual liberty, and the free market. They would have to be false considering the influence that Hayek and von Mises had on these movements.
Is it realistic to think that the leaders and scholars of the various political movements and the Austrian school of economics have all been bamboozled by "the Jews" for 60+ years? Do they not have access to the same information as Cynicom does? Why were they unable to come to the same conclusions as Cynicom? Does anyone actually believe that Cynicom is that much smarter than everyone else?
Is it realistic to think that men who wrote dozens of books about small government and individual liberty, in some cases consisting of 800+ pages, are in some secret cabal to establish a centralized one-world government? If they were in such a cabal what use would the books they wrote be? Wouldn't have it made more sense to write books that justified their supposed one world government beliefs in order to draw supporters? It makes no sense that they would spend the mental energy writing about things in such detail that they did not believe.
It seems to me much more likely that Cynicom dislikes Hayek and von Mises due to their anti-bureaucratic and anti-forced-union membership writings and beliefs and is trying to make mountains out of molehills in an attempt to delegitimize those beliefs.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
LOL! It wasn't written for you. It was written for the forum, most of whom WILL read it. You were copied as forum courtesy dictates.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
From the book of "Cynicom's made up rules to get out of defending his posts" run, rabbit, run
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
Something as serious as the economic future of the planet can take a bit more time to read and digest.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I was rooting for the puppies, but, they remained mainly contained.
Drats.
Maybe next broadcast.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
FREE THE PUPPIES! FREE THE PUPPIES! FREE THE PUPPIES!
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Something as serious as the economic future of the planet can take a bit more time to read and digest.
Perhaps, however when the same dogma has been around for a hundred years and the downward spiral continues, it is time to recognize the fact that perhaps we have been swindled.
von Mises hated races or cultures he considered as inferior, that is why the Rockefeller clan took him in and kept him on their payroll the rest of his life.
When Ayn Rand, wrote that her readers/followers were but lice with scarcely the...THE RIGHT TO LIVE...von Mises was the first to agree and thank her for making it known.
Ludwig von Mises to Ayn Rand:...... “You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you.......”
Like the Rockefellers, von Mises and Rand all agreed as to what race/culture were the superiors.
Ludwig von Mises to Ayn Rand:...... “You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you.......”
You are like a protestant who takes biblical passages out of context in order twist its meaning to fit his own beliefs.
It is clear that von Mises' meaning is not racial or cultural and had nothing to do with putting Jews above everyone else. Your accusation is ridiculous and holds no merit whatsoever. You make shit up as you go along.
January 23, 1958 Mrs. Ayn Rand 36 East 36 Street New York, N.Y.
Dear Mrs. Rand:
I AM NOT A professional critic and I feel no call to judge the merits of a novel. So I do not want to detain you with the information that I enjoyed very much reading Atlas Shrugged and that I am full of admiration for your masterful construction of the plot.
But “Atlas Shrugged” is not merely a novel. It is also—or may I say: first of all—a cogent analysis of the evils that plague our society, a substantiated rejection of the ideology of our self-styled “intellectuals” and a pitiless unmasking of the insincerity of the policies adopted by governments and political parties. It is a devastating exposure of the “moral cannibals,” the “gigolos of science” and of the “academic prattle” of the makers of the “anti-industrial revolution.” You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the effort of men who are better than you.
If this be arrogance, as some of your critics observed, it still is the truth that had to be said in this age of the Welfare State. I warmly congratulate you and I am looking forward with great expectations to your future work.
Sincerely, Ludwig Mises
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
Unfortunately for you, I do not fit that category which is why you can't get away with twisting history and making up lies to fit your agenda.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
It is human nature to strike out at anyone that brings attentions to ones shortcomings. That is obvious.
Following a Pied Piper is easy, however it does behoove the followers to invest some time to enlighten themselves as to the character and motivation of the Piper.
Quite obvious that many people have failed to do so for Rand, Mises, Hayek, Rockefellers, on and on.
If it sounds good, off we go, lemmings all.
Following Mises etc on knee pads without question is intellectual bankruptcy.
Notice in his letter, he expresses his disdain for "scientists".
Wordsmiths that never produce anything always reject their intellectual betters, because of rancid class envy.
It is human nature to strike out at anyone that brings attentions to ones shortcomings. That is obvious.
Following a Pied Piper is easy, however it does behoove the followers to invest some time to enlighten themselves as to the character and motivation of the Piper.
Quite obvious that many people have failed to do so for Rand, Mises, Hayek, Rockefellers, on and on.
If it sounds good, off we go, lemmings all.
Following Mises etc on knee pads without question is intellectual bankruptcy.
Notice in his letter, he expresses his disdain for "scientists".
Wordsmiths that never produce anything always reject their intellectual betters, because of rancid class envy.
I love how you attempt to obfuscate the fact that you have been proven to be a liar.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
"“The Ludwig von Mises Institute was founded in 1982 as the research and educational center of classical liberalism, libertarian political theory, and the Austrian School of economics.“
“It is the mission of the Mises Institute to place human choice at the center of economic theory, to encourage a revival of critical historical research, and to advance the Misesian tradition of thought through the defense of the market economy, private property, sound money, and peaceful international relations, while opposing government intervention as economically and socially destructive.“
“........The Mises Institute is a 501(c)(3) so contributions are deductible to the full extent the law allows. Ludwig von Mises Institute for Austrian Economics, Tax ID 52-1263436......“
Good heavens taking tax breaks, living off charity of others, saddle the masses with the burden, my oh my.
Last time I checked this anti-government organization, was holding several million dollars of government bonds???? Good heavens, they do not trust banks????
Making a good living for many free riders, producing NOTHING.
LOL! You are desperate aren't you? LOL! You have been proven to be a liar and are grasping at whatever you can grasp to try and change the subject. LOL! You are one funny shill.
Are you claiming the letter from von Mises to Ayn Rand that I linked to from the von Mises Institute is false? If so, then produce your own link proving it. Your opinion of the von Mises institute is not germane to the lie you tried to pass off as truth.
Hmm. What straw will you grasp next. LOL!
edit: What straw will you grasp next.
Oh, I know! I called you shill. Now you can do your "you called me a name" routine and run away!
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
People in desperation always strike out at others on a personal basis in a vain attempt to cover their own inadequacies.
Those people are usually insecure and try to cover their multitude of shortcomings by pointing at someone else, yet it is apparent to all they are carrying an empty bag, with a hole in it.
White coats are here to put me to bed. You have a good nights sleep, knowing that Mises and the rest of his lemmings will be here to look after you on the morrow.
You are the one who knowingly (or otherwise) took von Mises words out of context and tried to present them as something they weren't. When presented with that fact you tried your best to change the subject and obfuscate the subject, which I wouldn't allow you to do. Yet you call me desperate. LOL!
What is so laughable about your posts is that you appear to believe that no one will notice something so blatantly obvious. LOL!
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
Most people do not care to admit they have been conned, swindled and snowed.
Human nature. Ever worse for those that follow a false Pied Piper.
Von Mice was one.
He betrays his envy and jealousy in his note to Rosenbaum when he mentions "gigolo scientists". von Mice had a strong hatred for the "inferiors" and stronger hatred for men that were doers, achievers, men that produced something beside horse feathers.
von Mice like Rosenbaum lived off others, disdaining work for their own welfare. Human parasites if you will.
Other day reading about Rosenbaum, there was quite an interesting story about her "personal hygiene". She died babbling, living on Social Security and Medicare under another name.
I will take your rendition of history any day over those who attack you.
I have spent many hours of research throughout my life in coming to terms with the fact that "history repeats itself". Your many short synopsis of numerous historical events have been more enlightening than the voluminous content of those tomes I have read.
Well look who showed up, Cynicommmie's own personal sycophant. How cute. I've always wondered, do you get paid to follow Cynicommie from thread to thread with your nose buried up his ass or is it a voluntary position? By all means continue with your constant verbal fellatio. I find it amusing to see an octarian carrying on so.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
According to Cynicom, "Mises and Hayek were just two useful idiots," and if you agree with the writings of Hayek and von Mises then he claims that "Those with limited knowledge of history are easily charmed by the worlds Pied Pipers" and that "If it sounds good, off we go, lemmings all".
So one needs to ask themselves, what exactly did von Mises and Hayek write about that has Cynicom's panty's in such a snit? As evidenced by the list of the books I posted previously, they wrote about small government, individual liberty, the dangers and failings of socialism, and Austrian Economics.
So, in essence, Cynicom has a problem with small government, individual liberty, anti-Socialist beliefs, and Austrian Economics. It can be nothing else because that's what von Mises and Hayek are famous for. He attempts to hide his disdain of their political and economic beliefs by claiming that we need to "invest some time to enlighten themselves as to the character and motivation of the Piper," insinuating that their writings are somehow false because they are Jews who were supposedly involved in a secret plot to take over the world. Oh, and because von Mises "disdains scientists" even though von Mises didn't say anything about scientists in his letter.
This is America and he is certainly entitled to his beliefs, but 4um members need to keep this in mind when he voices his opinions. He is diametrically opposed to everything most on this forum cherish and believe in.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
#37. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Lod, Phant2000, future draftees (#36)
Here is one more item I disliked about von Mises and his followers.
From his book, "Human action"...I even gave you the page number.
"This appears in Human Action, 3rd ed. (Chicago: Regnery, 1966), p. 282.
"From this point of view one has to deal with the often-raised problem of whether conscription and the levy of taxes mean any restriction of freedom. If the principles of the market economy were acknowledged by all people all over the world, there would not be any reason to wage war in the individual states could live in undisturbed peace.
But as conditions are in our age, a free nation is continually threatened by the aggressive schemes of totalitarian autocracies. If it wants to preserve its freedom, it must be prepared to defend its independence. If the government of a free economy forces every citizen to cooperate fully in its designs to repel the aggressors and every able-bodied man to join the armed forces, it does not impose upon the individual a duty that would step beyond the tasks the psychological law dictates.
In a world full of unswerving aggressors and and enslavers, integral unconditional pacifism is tantamount to unconditional surrender to the most ruthless oppressors. ....He who wants to remain free, must fight unto death those who are intent upon depriving him of his freedom. As isolated attempts on the part of each individual to resist are doomed to failure, the only workable way is to .......organize resistance by the government. ....The essential task of government is defense of the social system not only against domestic gangsters but also against external foes...... He who in our age opposes armaments and conscription is, perhaps unbeknown to himself, an abettor of those aiming at the enslavement of all"......
Ludwig was a strong supporter of military draft for every country and to pay taxes without complaint.
It has always been difficult for von Mises followers to swallow this. Beware Pied Pipers that play merry tunes.
It has always been difficult for von Mises followers to swallow this.
Prove that statement. You can't because it's nothing more than an unfounded assumption on your part.
It's not hard to swallow in the least. It is unrealistic to believe that a so-called "follower" of anyone is going to agree 100% with that person.
I disagree with von Mises on this.
Got anymore cut and paste anti-Mises/Hayek quotes from left-wing sites you'd like to post?
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
So do 90% of the people on this board. Big friggin' deal.
I dread the thought that friends here would encourage the government to take me off to war again. Ludwig demands it.
Yes it is sad that he bought into the "the communist are coming to get us" propaganda of the 50's and 60's and allowed that fear to overcome his former good sense on the subject.
He definitely changed his opinion from earlier writings. For instance, in his book Nation, State, and Economy (NY: New York University Press, 1983 [1919] p. 165) he spoke against the draft. He also spoke against the draft in his book Interventionism: An Economic Analysis (Irvington, NY, FEE, 1998 [1940] , pp. 69–70). He even spoke out against it in the 1st edition of Human Action!
Sad indeed.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
I'm sorry that you believe that small government, individual liberty and anti-Socialist beliefs are brainwashing. I disagree.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
Revolution is the only answer, there is no other way.
You may be right but unless the Republicrat-Democan controlled government is replaced with a small government that respects states rights, individual liberty and human rights and replaces the present corporatist economy with a genuine market based economy we will be no better off.
With the "you owe me" mentality of what appears to be a majority of the American population, a revolution will likely take us from a bad situation to a worse one.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
You may be right but unless the Republicrat-Democan controlled government is replaced with a small government that respects states rights, individual liberty and human rights and replaces the present corporatist economy with a genuine market based economy we will be no better off.
With the "you owe me" mentality of what appears to be a majority of the American population, a revolution will likely take us from a bad situation to a worse one.
Throughout history, ALL GOVERNMENTS have had one thing in common, like a cancer they grow, live until its host dies or it is excised by a revolution.
There is NO absolute prevention. The closest to what is desired is some method to term and or time limits. Americans have decided this is not to be. Human nature is to crave and lust for power, position and or wealth. Therein is our downfall. To have men sitting there to age 100 and or 50 years in office is a disgrace.
The cancer will continue to grow.
As for a revolution? I do not see one with a positive result as in our first one. At that time less than thirty per cent of the masses fought and supported the revolution. Human nature again, the rest sat on their hands or supported the King. Once the outcome was decided, all of them were true blue revolutionaries.
Change course via the election system????? No sane person really believes that.
Well look who showed up, Cynicommmie's own personal sycophant.
If you weren't so wrong, it would be funny. I follow Cyni's comments because of the content he provides, quite contrary to the bloviating posts of insults and name-calling coming from your's. On the other hand, I am not a robot, a mute, nor a calloused and incompassionate on-looker. I find the silence from others to your unwarranted attacks indicative of our sick society.
Could it be that a 4'3" homosapien has taken the moniker of F.A. Hayek Fan, who uses his/her/its time at the computer trying to give the impression he/she/it is of superior intelligence and above-average stature? To an objective and compassionate reader you come off as nothing more than a hot-headed, arrogant bully, of which our sick society suffers an overabundance.
Oh please. The only difference between Cynicom and I is that my insults are straight forward and to his face while he attempts to hide his by speaking in generalities so he can then act like an innocent victim and run off when people respond back to him in a straight forward manner. This has been pointed out by more than one person on this forum which I am sure you are well aware since you follow him from thread to thread like the Looney-Tunes cartoon chihuahua following the bulldog and chiming, "yeah, yeah" and repeating every word that comes out of bulldog's mouth.
Your attempt to portray Cynicom as some innocent victim is as humorous as the weird geriatric internet crush you have on him.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
Change course via the election system????? No sane person really believes that.
I actually agree with you on this point. However, I refuse to throw up my hands, roll over and give up. That is what they want because that makes things easier for them. The more people that give up, the less resources they have to use to perpetrate their fraud. I will still go to the voting booth and cast my third party vote if for no other reason than because I believe that the more people who do this the more resources the two party fraud will be forced to expend, the more obvious the sham will be and the more people will wake up. Maybe it's a pie in the sky belief but it goes against my grain to give up and not fight back in some way, regardless of how useless it may be.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
Your attempt to portray Cynicom as some innocent victim is as humorous as the weird geriatric internet crush you have on him.
That is indeed odd.
For one that holds the Rockefellers and their hirelings in much esteem, rather odd you have nothing but childish disdain for someone you know nothing about.
Phant will not tell you this but I will. She worked for and "with" the Rockefellers FOR YEARS. Later spent years working "with" Edward Teller, Leo Szilard and the rest of that Jew clan in CA.
I befriend people that can EDUCATE me, because I never had the good fortune of an education, none.
Trying to besmirch someone you know nothing about is childish to the extreme. You owe the lady an apology.
For one that holds the Rockefellers and their hirelings in much esteem,
Once again you spout a lie. Par for the course with you though. That's what you do. You make up unsubstantiated bullshit, present it as fact and then change the subject when you are called on it.
You claim that I hold Rockefeller in much esteem. Fine. Prove it. Post a link where I have done so. You cannot because I never have.
What I have said that is that regardless of where Mises and Hayek received their money it does not take away from their writings on small government, individual liberty, anti-Socialism, and Austrian Economics. You make the claim that those who agree with them on those subjects are brain washed. Once again, I disagree, for the alternative to small government is big government. The alternative to individual liberty is slavery and the alternative to Austrian Economics is Keynesian economics, Monetarist Economics, or some the sort of economic thought that I believe to be unacceptable.
Phant will not tell you this but I will. She worked for and "with" the Rockefellers FOR YEARS. Later spent years working "with" Edward Teller, Leo Szilard and the rest of that Jew clan in CA.
Unless she can provide evidence that small government, individual liberty, anti-Socialist, and Austrian Economic ideas are Rockefeller/Jew constructs created to help foment a Jew controlled one world government, then who she worked for is not germane to the subject.
I befriend people that can EDUCATE me, because I never had the good fortune of an education, none.
She must "educate" you offline because all she does on this forum is follow you around from thread to thread playing yes man and dutiful sycophant.
You owe the lady an apology.
I owe her nothing but the same disdain she holds others when they refuse to bow to your supposed wisdom.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
There is a distinct advantage at having been born and raised on the wrong side of the tracks, living on the lowest rung of the social ladder.
BWAHAHA!!! Both of my parents dropped out of high school. In my large extended family I am still the only college graduate. A noticeable number of the people I went to high school with are dead from ODs or alcoholism or in prison. Couldn't get a whole lot lower than how I was raised.
Women’s liberation is freedom from the authority of men. Men’s liberation is the freedom from responsibility to women.
He said schtupt! That's a yiddish word! He must be part of the Rockefeller/Jew conspiracy to take over the world and create a centralized, Jew controlled one world government! You are just not educated enough in history and have been brainwashed so you don't understand.
/Cynicom
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
An apology would require one to be a gentleman and possessor of good character, so a non apology is understandable.
When a person demonstrates their lack of intelligence, lack of socially acceptable behavior, to the point of being uncouth, foul mouthed, and obnoxious, it is apparent there is very little redeemable social value in play.
My first lesson in life, perhaps might be of value.
"Keep your mouth shut, your eyes and ears open and you "MIGHT" learn something.
An apology would require one to be a gentleman and possessor of good character, so a non apology is understandable.
When a person demonstrates their lack of intelligence, lack of socially acceptable behavior, to the point of being uncouth, foul mouthed, and obnoxious, it is apparent there is very little redeemable social value in play.
She deserves no apology. For whatever reason you seem to believe that the people on this forum owe you and your sycophant a respect that neither of you show to others. If she didn't want to receive the response she received then she should have kept her mouth shut or added something of value to the thread. Instead she played attack poodle. If you don't like my response then that's too bad.
Your words hold no value. You use this same tactic whenever you find yourself unable to refute a post. It is a defense mechanism you use. The problem is you use it way to often and too many people have caught on. The funny thing is your arrogance and low opinion of those on this board leads you to think that we are too stupid to notice what you are doing. You are wrong.
You made an untrue accusation of my view towards the Rockefellers and are unable to back it up. Instead of manning up and admitting that it was hyperbole, you play this game. You attack Hayek and Mises and claim that anyone that agrees with their writings are brainwashed. When confronted with the alternative to their writings, you are unable to respond intelligently and instead play your game and run away.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.