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Title: Philosophy Behind Windows 8, From One of Its Creators
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/philosophy-be ... OTYEcG9zAzUEc2VjA01lZGlhU2VjdG
Published: Oct 25, 2012
Author: Pete Pachal | Mashable
Post Date: 2012-10-25 04:32:15 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 633
Comments: 45

Microsoft will officially release Windows 8 to the public on Friday, and although company executives would never say so, they must be at least a little bit nervous about it. After all, the user interface (formerly known as Metro) is the most radical redesign of the operating system since Windows 95.

The risk, of course, is that customers will respond with confusion, or worse: outright terror. The new Start screen looks entirely different from the traditional desktop (though that interface still exists), with floating, blocky tiles instead of files and folders. And it's almost entirely chrome-less -- even basic things like the battery indicator and clock are hidden from view until you touch a button or the screen.

Believe it or not, Microsoft doesn't delight in freaking out its customers, and there is a reason it went with an interface that's so different and mind-bogglingly Spartan. This is Windows designed for the connected user, from the ground up.

[More from Mashable: Surface Is a Tablet Windows Users Will Love [REVIEW]]

"We started looking at big trends in the industry and asked, 'How does Windows fit in?'" says Sam Moreau, director of design and research for Windows. "Most of the Windows metaphors -- the desktop, the taskbar, the control panels, the start menu -- all those things were invented in the Windows 95 era. Windows 95 didn't even have a browser."

As computing evolved over the last two decades, the Internet and shared media played a larger and larger role, elevating the browser from a mere app to the centerpiece of the connected experience. However, the system it was running on stayed stubbornly the same.

"All the things since then that you care about -- like a browser, like an MP3 file, the PC as a communications device --- none of those things were native to the UI of windows," Moreau points out. "An application created a file, and you could put a file in a folder. That was basically what the operating system did."

SEE ALSO: Bill Gates Speaks Out About Windows 8 [VIDEO]

Microsoft set out to modernize the PC experience with Windows 8. Instead of static icons, apps now have animated "live tiles" on the Start screen that serve up fresh information at regular intervals. It's a far cry from when the only thing connected to the Internet in a dynamic way was the browser.

"There's tons of stuff on the Internet," says Moreau, "And your PC basically has this little straw -- Internet Explorer -- to see all this. We didn't think that should be the case. The whole PC should be about that. Part of what the Start screen is really about is making all this activity -- these people that you care about, and all this information -- sort of explode so you're immersed in it."

That immersion comes at a cost, however, and there are few clear signposts on how to do things, such as how to call up your tabs, change your PC setting, or just shut the darn thing off. Moreau explains why Microsoft would choose to leave new users with few visual clues about the capabilities of the UI.

"We have a design philosophy, and one of the aspects of it is putting the information that you care about at your fingertips. Everything else we want to recede. It should be the best presentation of the thing the person cares about. It's their photos -- it's not wrapping it in big buttons that say it's a photo. You don't need that," he says.

"[Visual cues] are good for one-time discoverability. But then that's always there -- it's kind of always barking at you, in your periphery, that [the UI] can do these things."

What do you think of user interface design in Windows 8, and the philosophy behind it? Share your thoughts in the comments. BONUS: A Tour of Windows 8

New Start Screen

The Windows 8 Release Preview has many more dynamic live tiles, with new apps like News, Sports and Travel adding images and headlines to the mix.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

The Windows 8 Release Preview has many more dynamic live tiles, with new apps like News, Sports and Travel adding images and headlines to the mix.

I use the tabs in Firefox for weather, crop reports, and stock market ticker, etc.

No need to have tiles floating around my display.

Perhaps the under 25 crowd will like Win8...

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-10-25   7:43:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lod (#1)

"Bankers" - Kill em all and let Satan sort em out" !!!

noone222  posted on  2012-10-25   7:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: noone222 (#2)

lol - ain't it so.

Good job, Joe!

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-10-25   7:59:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

MS has yet to create an OS that is safe to use online without the need for 3rd party software and that's when only the browser connects to the internet. Now everything will connect to the internet? I smell disaster. Alos, from my understanding, it doesn't use a mouse and you are required to have a touch screen.

Thanks but I'll stick to my Win7.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-10-25   8:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

"There's tons of stuff on the Internet," says Moreau, "And your PC basically has this little straw -- Internet Explorer -- to see all this. We didn't think that should be the case. The whole PC should be about that. Part of what the Start screen is really about is making all this activity -- these people that you care about, and all this information -- sort of explode so you're immersed in it."

Uh huh, and I see a ton of viruses and trojans flooding Windows 8 computers, making them REALLY explode..

I also see a large number of people either staying with Windows 7, or jumping ship and going to Linux.

Home users might like to be "immersed" in pictures and crapola, but business users and engineers have no need or desire for such things.

Looks like the guys who invented Windows ME are at it again.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-25   8:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: FormerLurker (#5)

Home users might like to be "immersed" in pictures and crapola, but business users and engineers have no need or desire for such things.

Businessmen use the heck out of tablets and IPads and MS appears to be trying to follow that trend. The question is, do desktop and laptop users want the same interface as tablet and IPad users? MS obviously thinks so. I'm not so sure. Gamers will surely be affected.

I like my mouse. I like my folders. I don't want a touch screen monitor and I don't want my computer to have that much access to the internet. More importantly, I don't want MS or anyone else to have that much access to my computer.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT!
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-10-25   9:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#6)

Here's a great article on the subject...

Windows 8 may drive me to Linux


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-25   10:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#6)

I like my mouse. I like my folders. I don't want a touch screen monitor and I don't want my computer to have that much access to the internet. More importantly, I don't want MS or anyone else to have that much access to my computer.

Ditto on that.

Monkey puzzle bloatware city.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-10-25   10:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: FormerLurker (#7)

Wow, he discussed man y of the same issues I did but with much more knowledge on the subject.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees a problem with this new OS.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT!
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-10-25   10:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge, F.A. Hayek Fan (#8)

It looks like it's geared for kids surfing the net and playing on Facebook. I like the analogy some writer made in the article I linked above, comparing the UI to something designed by Fisher-Price for 6 year olds.

Don't see much else it'd be good for.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-25   10:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: randge (#8)

I watched about ten minutes of this. It seems like a nightmare. I'll have nothing to do with it and will move to Linux once they quit supporting Win7.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT!
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-10-25   10:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#11)

I'll have nothing to do with it and will move to Linux once they quit supporting Win7.

Same here.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-25   10:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: FormerLurker (#7)

Thanks for the Win8 deal-killing link.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-10-25   11:01:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: FormerLurker, F.A. Hayek Fan, Lod, Tatarewicz, noone222, All (#12)

Who's most knowledgable around here?

I been thinking for quite a while that I should experiment with Linux on an extra machine that I have. My only concerns are drivers and the fact that I have to use a plug in for Microsoft suite programs for work and whatnot.

It would be useful to start a thread and exchange notes if some of the posters here were interested. If no one else starts one, perhaps I will. I got an IT guy coming to visit this weekend. I will bend his ear on this.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-10-25   11:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: randge (#14)

Who's most knowledgable around here?

Well, it's not me but I am an ex windows junkie..... and linux can run windows just fine. I myself have to have windows to run Rosetta Stone language courses...

The look and feel of linux is like any other operating system. You shouldn't have trouble navagating it.

... The first instal is the longest.

like freaking hours upon hours of waiting for every update ever to instal... after that it is smooth freaking sailing. I first tried mint... then ubuntu... then back to mint 10.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-25   11:11:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: randge (#14)

Who's most knowledgable around here?

Not I. Neil is a Linux guru. TooConservative was very knowledgeable but he quit posting here once he gave up his small government values and became a war mongering, big government and police state loving Romneytard cheerleader.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT!
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-10-25   11:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: randge (#14)

I've worked with various workstation versions of UNIX, but never tried Linux on a PC. Never had to install UNIX, it was always preloaded and configured.

If Microsoft drops support of Windows 7 anytime in the near future, or makes it increasingly difficult to avoid Windows 8, I may just find out for myself how difficult it is to install Linux.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-25   11:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: titorite (#15)

So do I have to partition or can I go whole hog? Mint 10 is your recommendation?

How about an Office plug-in and drivers?

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-10-25   11:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Lod (#13)

Yep, that article killed it for me as well. I like my desktop and I'm sure I'm not the only one who won't be chucking the PC in the trash and replacing it with a tablet.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-25   11:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: FormerLurker (#17)

It's not hard to install Linux. Assuming your bios are set up correctly it is mostly a matter of clicking the button that says next or continue. You would probably be surprised at how easy it is. And you can buy a hard drive with Linux pre-installed if you want. That is what I am using right now. Got it from a company called ZaReason.com. If you have a preference about the brand of hard drive you would probably have to tell them--they sent mine with Seagate but given the choice I would have picked Western Digital (longer warranty but they also cost a bit more). I am just guessing they would sell you either one you wanted and they offer Linux in several flavors or distros (mine came with ubuntu).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-10-25   11:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: FormerLurker (#19)

MICROSOFT NSA IN CAHOOTS LOOKING THROUGH YOUR FILES !!! WINDOWS 7 NSA BACKDOOR !!! evil

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-10-25   11:55:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: randge, 4 (#14)

OpenOffice (from Sun) and LibreOffice are both free, well-regarded suites for those wanting/needing office applications.

The Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird programs will run on any OS, I think...

MS is gonna piss off many of we desktop users with their goofy new interface.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-10-25   11:58:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: James Deffenbach (#20)

The only reason I wouldn't switch to Linux right now is that besides standard computing, ie. browsing the web, using MS Office, etc., I need to have MS development tools at my disposal, as I write software for MS operating systems, and also need to test under those environments.

I use Remote Desktop to connect to remote machines, which are also running various versions of Windows.

ALSO, and that is a big ALSO, I run high end games which require Direct X to fully utilize the capabilites of the graphics card I have in my system. I'm not even sure if Linux supports my fairly old motherboard yet which utilizes an onboard Intel RAID controller. I know older versions of Linux don't support it, as Acronis True Image, an imaging backup application, uses Linux on its emergency restore disk, and it can't see any of my drives.

I had to use a tool called Bart PE to create a bootable restore disk based on Windows XP to be able to have the ability to restore the system after a catastrophic failure due to that Linux limitation.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-25   12:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Itistoolate (#21)

Yep, certainly wouldn't want hidden services and applications connected to the Internet 24/7, worse than what's already happening in Windows 7.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-25   12:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: randge (#18)

So do I have to partition or can I go whole hog? Mint 10 is your recommendation?

How about an Office plug-in and drivers?

hmmm

Assuming you have backed up all that you want and got nothing to worry about go whole hog. No need to partition. My wife prefers a dual boot meaning she has both two operating systems starting up at the same time. ... I do not see the point.

Mint 10 was her recommendation for me and I am quick to admit being two generations below the latest and greatest linux... I might not get every bell and whistle but I do get glitch free reliability ... not that I have had any glitches to begin with...

WINE is the linux program that launches windows for window applications...

Drivers and what not are easy enough to download...linux comes with some nice software management tools. mint 10...

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-25   13:12:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: titorite (#25)

When I get some time this weekend, I'm going to try this on a laptop.

I'll tell you how it goes.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-10-25   13:24:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: titorite (#25)

2012 best linux platforms -

www.zdnet.com/blog/open-s...sktop-linux-mint-13/11110

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-10-25   13:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: titorite (#25)

There is a great program you can get with Linux (and I think it works with Windows too, not sure) called Stellarium. I really like it a lot.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-10-25   13:32:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Should I sell my Macs?

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to help wake the town and tell the people. Do your
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wakeup  posted on  2012-10-25   13:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: FormerLurker (#19)

People with portable devices appear incapable of going anywhere without them nor can they quit playing with them.

"Bankers" - Kill em all and let Satan sort em out" !!!

noone222  posted on  2012-10-25   13:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: wakeup, FormerLurker, titorite, 4 (#29)

Will linux work on a Mac?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-10-25   14:08:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Lod (#31)

www.maclife.com/awordfrom...nux_applications_your_mac

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-10-25   14:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Lod (#31)

Will linux work on a Mac?

Why yes it will :)

www.linuxforums.org/forum...ll-linux-mac-machine.html

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-10-25   14:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: James Deffenbach, titorite, 4 (#32)

Very cool - thanks much for the linkage and information there.

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Lod  posted on  2012-10-25   16:26:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Lod (#34)

You're welcome, Lod. I have just spent around half an hour (I guess) downloading a BUNCH of free programs, programs that would cost a good bit if they weren't free and open source. That is one of the things I like about Linux.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-10-25   16:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

If you're going to sell to the lowest common denominator, your interface will be the lowest common denominator.

This allows a one-fingered chimp with a few hundred dollars to be called a computer user, when all it is doing is consuming.

The truth is a whole lot of people bought computers in the past only because the right devices for them hadn't been invented yet. Whether you wanted to play games, create a blueprint, graphic art, write a book, or conduct scientific research, you bought a computer.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-10-25   16:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: FormerLurker (#17)

I may just find out for myself how difficult it is to install Linux.

It's pretty much a piece of cake these days, with something like ubuntu or redhat. It's only a pain if you want to be "advanced". (I find ubuntu too eye-candy heavy though for my tastes. Xubuntu or Lubuntu is more my style.)

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-10-25   16:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: James Deffenbach, titorite, 4 (#35)

Does linux, per se, have a website?

Thanks.

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Lod  posted on  2012-10-25   16:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Lod (#38)

www.linux.org/

Yes they do ..

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titorite  posted on  2012-10-25   16:53:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Lod (#38)

Linux has lots of websites. Ubuntu has theirs, PCLINUXOS has theirs and I suspect most, if not all, of the major distros have at least one.

Here is a site that will get you to about any Linux you would want I think:

distrowatch.com/

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-10-25   16:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: James Deffenbach, titorite, 4 (#40)

Thanks! again - I should be good to go.

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Lod  posted on  2012-10-25   17:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: titorite, randge (#25)

WINE is the linux program that launches windows for window applications...

My understanding is that WINE is difficult to work with and is hit and miss in how it works with a Windows program.

Another option is to download VMWare and load whatever Windows OS you use as a virtual machine. This allows you to open Windows from Linux as if it were a Linux program. You double-click it like you would any other program and Windows runs. If it crashes for whatever reason, you just close it as if it were a program.

I've never done it myself because I have Win7 on my laptop and a dual boot XP-Ubuntu setup on my desktop, but a friend of mine runs Windows off of Ubuntu like this because he likes MS Office over LibreOffice and OpenOffice. He uses Linux to surf the Internet and do everything else and uses Windows whenever he wants to run an Office Product.

It's pretty cool. I've though about doing it myself if for no other reason than Linux is a million times more secure than Windows is. I just haven't got around to doing it yet though. I have a million programs and it would take forever to reload everything onto the Virtual Machine Plus my printer doesn't work with Ubuntu for some reason. It used to but stopped when I upgraded to the latest and greatest.

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#43. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Tatarewicz (#36) (Edited)

Whether you wanted to play games, create a blueprint, graphic art, write a book, or conduct scientific research, you bought a computer.

Many people still view it that way, and any SERIOUS work IS done on computers, whether they are running Windows, Linux, or something else.

As far as games, I'd say Windows is the only way to go in terms of PC games, where in many cases the graphics are better and more realistic on the PC version of a game over the game console version.

Video editing is however one such example of a serious application people run on computers, where the raw horsepower available today between video cards, CPUs, memory, and disk capacity are amazing.

CAD work, whether it be aircraft design, architecture, you name it, are all done on computers.

Many scientific people love Macs, along with UNIX, being Berkely, Solaris, or other variants designed for high end graphics such as IRIX.

Linux is more of a consumer level of UNIX operating system, although some people do run Linux servers.

I'm sure there are people using Linux who run some of those scientific and engineering applications.

Windows would have the largest share though in consumer orientated applications, since most people run some version of Windows as their home desktop operating system, and there is an abundance of really cool software which oftentimes only runs on Windows.


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FormerLurker  posted on  2012-10-25   22:40:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, titorite (#42)

Mint 13 is installed on my machine and it's slicker than snake shit. Apps open up, boom, boom, boom, and video runs a lot better.

I'm just finding my way around all the applications. Had a few snags getting this installed - most of it was just getting the right BIOS settings prior to installation.

Next thing is checking the compatibility of Office files.

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randge  posted on  2012-10-29   20:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: randge (#44)

Great job!

I've gotta try it.

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Lod  posted on  2012-10-29   21:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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