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Title: Mini-Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle
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URL Source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/1 ... major-piece-of-the-911-puzzle/
Published: Oct 29, 2012
Author: Don Fox, Clare Kuehn, Jeff Prager, Jim V
Post Date: 2012-10-30 10:32:57 by wudidiz
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Here I am going to summarize the evidence for each and explain why the most defensible and difficult to falsify are those that posit the use of sophisticated arrangements of micro and mini-nukes, which, of course, is not a technique that would have been available to Osama bin Laden and his hearty band of 19 Islamic fanatics, which the government has peddled to the public with a straight face and which has been supported by NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology). The NIST, alas, has been carrying the burden for the Bush/Cheney administration, which, together with its friends in the Mossad, appear to have been the principals responsible for 9/11. The theories to be discussed include (h1) the collapse theory, (h2) the nanothermite theory, (h3) the DEW theory, and (h4), the nuke theory, which should be distinguished by its own subtheories, including (h4a) the 150kt subbasement theory (associated with Dimitri Khalezov) and the (h4b) mini and mico-nuke theory (associated with The Anonymous Physicist, Dr. William Deagle, Dr. Ed Ward, Jeff Prager and Don Fox, among others), which appears by far the most promising. During The Vancouver Hearings, two sessions (with three speakers each) were devoted to the Twin Towers and how they were destroyed. Chuck Boldwyn discussed (h1), the collapse theory, during “Why the Twin Towers could not have collapsed”, explaining how a collapse of either of those buildings, given their design, was not even physically possible. This is especially so because the steel was tapered in thickness from 6" thick in the subbasements to 5", 4", and so on up to the highest floors, where it was only 1/4" thick. Thus, the relative mass of the steel for the top 14 floors of the North Tower, for example, which were alleged to have been weakened by the intense fires and collapsed onto the 96 floors below, represented on 1.4% of the mass of the steel. The very idea that that miniscule relative mass could overcome the lower 98.6% is a physical absurdity. Plus the fires burned neither long enough nor hot enough to cause the steel to weaken, much less melt. And if, counterfactually, they had burned long enough and hot enough to cause the steel to weaken, since those fires were asymmetrically distributed, their effects would have been asymmetrical, with gradual sagging and tilting, not the complete, abrupt and total demolition sequence that occurred. For these and other reasons, (h1) has to be rejected. The North Tower “bathtub” during the clean up These reasons do not completely rule out (h3), but they make it rather difficult to take very seriously, when the principal claim that Judy Wood makes about the destruction of the Twin Towers–that the energy that was required to destroy them was significantly beyond that provided by conventional explosives–is also satisfied by (h4), the nuke hypothesis. While she appears to be completely correct in making that claim, it is a condition that is satisfied by the use of nuclear weapons, which provide quantities of energy that are far beyond those provided by conventional sources of energy and can be directed! I believe that the only hypotheses that are sufficiently precisely defined that can potentially explain the destruction of the Twin Towers–which were blown apart form the top down in about 9 seconds for the South Tower and 11 seconds for the North–are those that appeal to nuclear devices, where several different versions have been advanced, which I shall discuss here. The first, (h4a), has been advanced by Dimitri Khalezov, who maintains that, during their construction, all three of the buildings–the Twin Towers and WTC-7–were constructed with 150kt nukes in their subbasements, where those nukes were directed upward. But the Twin Towers and WTC-7 were destroyed by completely different methods, where WTC-7 appears to have been a classic controlled demolition, where the demolition is set from the bottom up, all the floors are falling at the same time and there is a stack of pancakes equal to about 12% of the height of the original 47 floors or about 5 floors high. In the case of the Twin Towers, by comparison, the buildings are blowing apart from the top down, where the floors are waiting their turn to be “blown to kingdom come”, in the memorable phrase of Morgan Reynolds, they are being converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust and, when it is over, there is nothing there: no pancakes! Both buildings were destroyed below ground level. So they cannot possibly have been destroyed by the same method, where Khalezov’s account may even have been intended to discredit the theory that nuclear devices were used. Our interview: That leaves (h4b), that the Twin Towers were destroyed using sophisticated arrangements of micro or mini-nukes, which was discussed during The Vancouver Hearings by Jeff Prager, “Proof of Ternary Fission in New York City on 9/11", and by Don Fox, “Mini-nukes used at the WTC and the real ‘untold story’”, where the contents of dozens of dust samples acquired by the US Geological Survey were revealing: Barium and Strontium: Neither of these elements should ever appear in building debris in these quantities. The levels never fall below 400ppm for Barium and they never drop below 700ppm for Strontium and reach over 3000ppm for both in the dust sample taken at Broadway and John Streets. Thorium and Uranium: These elements only exist in radioactive form. Thorium is a radioactive element formed from Uranium by decay. It’s very rare and should not be present in building rubble, ever. So once again we have verifiable evidence that a nuclear fission event has taken place. Lithium: With the presence of lithium we have compelling evidence that this fission pathway of Uranium to Thorium and Helium, with subsequent decay of the Helium into Lithium has taken place. Lanthanum: Lanthanum is the next element in the disintegration pathway of the element Barium. Yttrium: The next decay element after Strontium, which further confirms the presence of Barium. Chromium: The presence of Chromium is one more “tell tale” signature of a nuclear detonation. Tritium: A very rare element and should not be found at concentrations 55 times normal the basement of WTC-6 no less than 11 days after 9/11, which is another “tell tale” sign of nukes. So I invited Dennis Cimino, who has experience with nuclear weapons, to comment on the discussion that follows, where he thinks that “not more than ’10′ or so ‘exotic’ very unconventional devices destroyed the cores, not THIRTY, and they were not triggered but were in fact, precision timed because each one had a WWV receiver inside it and each device knew precisely what time it was, and THAT negated the need for the interconnections, but having said that it did not mean they didn’t also need to shield from adjacent devices going off before their turn. . . .” He added that, “They could have avoided the interconnection wiring issue totally by lessening the numbers of devices and hence creating the natural ‘head room’ they needed in the timing interval, should a couple of these somehow gain a few or lose a few microseconds in time between them after turning ‘off’ the WWV timing reception altogether, that way the criticality of perfect detonation timing would not be necessary to use somewhat larger devices but lesser numbers, dealing with the building in ‘cube’ segments [NOTE: as Chuck Boldwyn has emphasized], rather than floor by floor, which would be a waste of time and be fraught with a lot more wholly non-necessary ‘dud’ risks doing it that way. And it also still legitimizes Controlled Demolition, Inc.’s role in the cleanup, as they would be there to make sure any and all forensic evidence of such stuff be ‘gone’ before anyone knew they had been found.” “Boldwyn’s segmenting of the building into it’s natural cubes as it was built made me think that the logical way to destroy the WTC towers so as to collapse them into their own footprint, would be to first create a ‘deficit’ in structural integrity and material created mechanical and purely physical resistance in a lower level of the building, so as to allow for the beginning of a gravitational free fall of the upper floors into the deficit. As you had actually said in one of your dissertations, the velocity of the collapse might just have been a smidgen ‘faster’ than mere gravitational falling, meaning that a force was used to ‘blow down’ or ‘push’ the upper floors into the structural cavity or deficit below. I also seem to remember that some of the accounts of people being horribly burned but clearly not by jet fuel, or being so wigged out so as to ‘jump’–meaning they were either preferring the death of falling over burning or, more adroitly, they saw something in the building that compelled them to lose all hope of escaping. . . . To destroy the CORE of the building as apparently was done as the antenna on top began to wobble due to no structure below it, means that the very core of the building was ‘gone’ or ‘compromised’ before the exoskeletal outer sections were destroyed, just prior to them then being forcibly blown outwards as the collapse began. “I now think the ‘key’ was ‘lesser numbers of devices’ perhaps in the realm of half a dozen or maybe up to a dozen, max, taking out the CORE of the building in the cube segments as in almost reverse of the construction of the towers, and at the same time, using conventional stuff in the exoskeletal destruction, because all it would have taken is for one of the UNCONVENTIONAL devices being obvious to the external world going off, to expose the fact that something rather heavy duty had been used. In summary, all devices were fully independent and not interconnected in any way, but could have used their own radio frequency link due to the fact the building had it’s own natural antenna (the core ) and that could have been the way these devices all communicated to each other just before detonation and checked in with the master timing device that would have been amongst them, all saying, ‘Okay, I am ready to go’, using radio inter communications of very low R.F. power to avoid detection by any security teams in the building, in a frequency domain that normally only submarines communicate on, also would have made it feasible for synchronizing them, while at the same time, being time sync’d to WWV broadcast out of D.C. on any number of those WWV tine sync frequencies, most likely on the 10 MhZ (not kilohertz this time) band, where WWV is broadcast on 5, 10, 15 and I think still on 20 MhZ from Boulder and Bethesda So, that’s my ‘behind the scenes’ assessment about how they did this, using NEUTRON devices to destroy the building in CUBES versus FLOORS, and blowing the exoskeletal structures outward using R D X and thermitic devices solely.” CLARE KUEHN: A barometric bomb is as outlandish as thermite; more so. It requires aerosol dispersal of an incendiary and/or explosive throughout the building and this type of weapon is ONLY used on large, empty structures. Walls, floors, doors and general office construction prevents effective aerosol dispersal within a building. Study the mechanics of these various devices and then study nuclear physics. One conclusion – 9/11 was an advanced nuclear event. The human element is: would the workers have minded? — well, the unions for construction workers were heavily arranged by the mob in NYC at the time. Companies? Well, with the segmented elevators and lock-down of certain floors, as far as other companies were concerned, whereby they couldn’t just go to any floor, it’s not impossible. Custodians? Being let in on only certain floors, assuming others were looking after the other floors, or being in on the secret and paid off, it’s not impossible. Company records? Almost all the records are weird: companies whose tenancies leave large gaps in occupancy over many floors, companies which are tied to mil-ind. complex, banking, etc., companies whose tenancies were supposed to be occupying during periods when according to other records there was nobody. If it was the case, then it wasn’t fully hollow towers, but it may have been partly. The sunlight coming through the buildings in 2 photos is explicable as unfinished walls inside the floors (quite normal) but the ANGLE of the sunlight, i.e., that the sunlight and camera angle are seemingly unaffected by perspective, as if the sun were streaming THROUGH floors which should have been finished, is not normal for a building with floors. Unless the photos were taken so far away that all angles are minimized and thus they’re so telephoto that you’d think there were no floors when there are. But I’ve watched buildings go up; even when they are unfinished, there is dimming wherever there are floors in, where the sunlight vs. point of viewing overlaps in perspective, even from far away. And again, what about what Tom remembers? He mentioned it when I told him of the “crazy idea” of hollow-portion towers. He reminded me he’d been on that tour (I’d forgotten he’d been there at that point in our friendship), and said, “I saw that” and told me the rest. He said (as did I) maybe it was some unfinished area, but this was a month or weeks before opening of the 1st tower to open. He said it was not the basement, because they’d travelled up. He said he didn’t know if it was the big area of the generators/ac in the upper middle, but he didn’t think so because it didn’t have equipment. And I’m fully aware that the people promoting this idea, as is usual, over-do their conclusions (they think there was no need for much debris and the dustification was bogus somehow), because they were upset with Wood’s point — no, it wasn’t Prager and Fox who first made the dustification a big deal to notice; it was Wood, like it or lump it. And that they are aggressive and nutty personally to deal with. But the issue is under attended, under noticed … it must be fully handled and explained (pro, con, or partly right and assimilated). DON FOX: Ed Ward and I were on Kevin Barrett’s radio show Friday ["Were the Twin Towers nuked?", American Freedom Radio, 26 October 2012] talking about how mini-nukes were used at the WTC. Check out Ed’s blog: http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ and mine for more info. I was talking to Jeff a couple of weeks ago and we both agreed that it was most likely that they used neutron bombs to destroy the WTC buildings. Ed states this as well and I have heard Chuck interviewed on Jim’s show and he also believes it was neutron bombs. So what makes neutron bombs the most likely candidate? A neutron bomb is basically a hydrogen bomb without a uranium case. I think they use chromium or nickel instead so that neutrons can escape the bomb and radiate the targeted area. More energy is released as radiation than blast. Cohen states that the intended use for the neutron bomb was to detonate it a mile up and in a battlefield area. A 1 kiloton device would fry most of the soldiers within 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile radius. Most structures would be unharmed in this scenario which is why the neutron bomb has been described as a weapon that kills people but spares buildings. There is no lingering radioactivity so the area will be inhabitable almost immediately after the blast is over. There is a blast of radiation then that’s pretty much it. To sum up the WTC1 and 2 operation: a series of shape charged mini-neutron bombs are detonated from the top of the buildings to the bottom to simulate a free fall collapse. Material is ejected upward and outward due to the shaping of the mini-nuke charges. Two giant 110 floor 500,000 ton skyscrapers are destroyed in 9 and 11 seconds respectively. Cement and steel are turned into very small particles while paper blows down the street. Why didn’t the paper catch on fire? First it’s hard to light a piece of paper on fire in a wind tunnel. Second the paper’s high tensile strength to weight ratio allowed the lightweight paper to blow away in the blast wave while the heavier material was vaporized. Paper has give to it. (Watch the first 911 Eyewitness clip posted on my blog for the paper/powder theory.) Why was there no flash? When small bombs are detonated inside of giant skyscrapers the flash is hidden from view. When it’s over nuclear fissile material is leftover and it reacts for months creating 1,500 °F ground temperatures (China Syndrome). Hundreds of dump trucks of dirt are required to be hauled in and out to clean up the mess. The USGS collects dust samples that show elevated levels of uranium, thorium, barium, strontium, yttrium and chromium which indicates fission has taken place. The DOE collects water samples that have elevated levels of tritium, which indicates fusion has taken place. So a fission triggered fusion bomb such as a neutron bomb would explain the USGS and DOE samples quite nicely. So we have a text book case of nukes being used but the manner they were deployed in is so far from what the average person suspects that it takes years for the mini-nuke theory to gain prominence. So why are people like Steve Jones and Judy Wood denying nukes then? Let’s start with Jones. Why would a nuclear physicist be pushing the nanothermite theory and denying nukes? A fair question. You would have to ask Jones what his motives are in covering up nukes but I’ll throw this out there: neutron bombs have always been controversial, even in the military establishment. “The idea of the neutron warhead has been hotly debated since its inception. At the time of its introduction, some felt that its relatively small initial blast and fallout was ideal for use in densely populated areas, like Europe.” And from financialsensearchive.com: “The invention achieved the objective – to make a nuclear weapon that was tactically useful in the sense of not destroying the country in the process. But, it was quickly squelched by the various interests that concluded that such a device would only make nuclear war more likely. The neutron bomb was, in effect, banned because it destroyed the sharp distinction between conventional and nuclear weapons by minimizing the fission blast and radiation by-products. So if it ever came out that neutron bombs were used on civilians in a false flag attack there would be a lot of controversy behind the scenes in the military-industrial complex believe it or not. Steve Jones true audience may be the good people in the military establishment who would freak out at the use of tactical nuclear weapons on civilians. He’s probably not trying to convince the average Joe Blow on the street that thermite destroyed these giant skyscrapers. He’s merely trying to keep a lid on the use of nukes. This is classic CYA; he’s covering the assess of his buddies at the nuke labs. Nobody wants to get their government funding cut. Or worse yet go to jail. Since I have come out publicly supporting the mini-nuke theory I’ve gotten harassing and intimidating emails from Thomas Potter and Emmanuel Goldstein (members of the Judy Wood crew) and Fetzer and I have both seen the nasty comments on Amazon.com from her crew as well. They appear to have a list of folks like me who they go after. Anyone who advocates or even entertains the mini-nuke hypothesis will likely hear from the likes of Potter and Goldstein. When you are over the target you will get some flack. Jim Fetzer has tasked those of us who spoke at Vancouver with finding out as much as possible about the 9/11 operation. Just saying that the government’s account is false is not enough. We can do better than that and I believe we have. A close look at 9/11 reveals that a loved by some and reviled by others weapon, the neutron bomb, is at the heart of the destruction. Nanothermite couldn’t possibly have destroyed the WTC and Judy Wood offers no real theory. The only weapon that fits all of the evidence is the shaped-charge mini-neutron bomb. CLARE KUEHN: I repeat for you: Wood’s mind-set (aggressive and self-pitying though it be), is stuck on the evidence of EMF effects. Barometric-Neutron bombs would have such effects the way she suggests; as would SOME of the effects from mini-fissionless fusion. The issue with the paper (fused but unburnt and with print still on, in the meteorite or similar agglomerated debris), and the fact that these bombs might in fact give off some of the weird EMF she noticed, for example, deserves further discussion. Being stuck on seeing an (possibly) airy-fairy version of the EMF effects does not make one a deliberate disinfo person. In fact, one can see her emphasize things you people would only have majorly noticed — probably — such as the ongoing dustification IN MID-AIR of spires, with no heat-melt effects or flashes, if she had not pointed them out. In doing so, she’s been emphasizing her stuff so long that though she’s always HAD room for nuclear EFFECTS, the regular bomb nuke idea, which was around when she started, DESERVED ridicule, and she’s GOTTEN STUCK IN DEFENSIVENESS. ——- Who hasn’t run into THAT elsewhere? HA HA ha. Jones is a different kettle of fish. His denial of nukes is as bad as his effective denial (sidelining) of nuclear cold fusion — in its original form, from EMF alone. JEFF PRAGER: I would add, Dr Stephen Jones worked in muon catalyzed fusion using deuterium, lithium deuteride, uranium and other similar fusion and fission related elements, for years, for the Department of Energy, who is the sole controller of everything nuclear in the United States. These are, very specifically, the elements that would be used in the type of device we’re discussing. Don, I would also incorporate Dr. Busby’s material, my email with him, into your essays for academic support. He’s well known and well thought of. I would not add that The DOE is an old client of mine. Heidi Fox was their purchasing manager and we were great friends. She made enormous purchases that gave me massive commissions. She was in DC and I worked in Phoenix and inherited the DOE client and what a client it was. Her 4 or 5 yearly purchases provided a middle class income by themselves. This was the early 90s. I sold commercial grade hospital disinfectants and microbe and bacteria based cleaners. CLARE KUEHN: Absolutely. I was not meaning to “leave out” Jones’ massive nuclear credentials. I was emphasizing the difference with Wood. JEFF PRAGER: Wrong. I listened to a 2-hour radio broadcast with Diana Spingola, Dr. Wood and Andrew. The broadcast was about me and my 636 page, 167.8 MB eMagazine on 911 titled, “America Was Nuked” which, with 636 pages, obviously goes into great detail re: Jones, Wood and others as well as thoroughly covering the fusion/fission aspects of 911. I did not bash Dr. Wood in the book in the least though I absolutely crucified Dr. Jones. Wood lied publicly and ridiculed the book from cover to cover during that radio broadcast yet failed to mention any physics and chemistry analysis which the book is based on; the 22 page physics, chemistry and mathematical analysis is the foundation for the book. I engaged in a brief email dialogue with Dr. Wood after that. It was akin to speaking to a Kellogg’s Corn Flakes box. Jones, I would suspect, isn’t much different. He’s never responded to me at all. A dozen professional emails and several attempts to contact him by phone. He knows better than to talk to me and Wood does too. I can discuss these elements intimately and know the data by heart unlike most everyone else. THERE IS simply no scientific explanation for not just failing to discuss but avoiding at all costs, the USGS data, which proves beyond any doubt, but only when, the dozens of elements are correlated and examined TOGETHER, as they increase and decrease predictably across dozens of sample locations, that a fission event occurred. We use the word predictably for a reason. The decay paths are apparent in the elemental analysis. They’re difficult to see and require advanced chemistry and mathematics analysis to secure valid data but the data is there. Surely ternary fission occurred, a relatively unusual form of fission and possibly quaternary fission, an even more rarely seen form of fission. Albeit each explosion was a very minor fission event which, again, speaks of the very small ‘apple sized’ neutron bomb Dr. Busby discussed and which might in its third or fourth or fifth or who knows what generation, use a very small amount of uranium. ANYONE AT ALL that understands the elements, like both Dr. Jones and Dr. Wood, and refuses to discuss them publicly is hiding the truth. The reason, for me, is immaterial. I abhor liars and thieves (that profit from theft in case anyone wants to bring up my books which don’t always have citations, but they’re all free and I’m also opposed to copyright laws). Murderers and rapists are right up there too. How many men and women were murdered and raped during war in Iraq and also in the US military; they have a huge rape problem? Rape incidence is extraordinary in the US military. How many homes in Iraq were plundered during the Iraq war (too many other wars to mention frankly)? ANYONE AT ALL that hides the nuclear aspect of 911 has no legal, ethical or moral ground to support that stance. Gaining public acceptance of a lie across an entire country, and in Jones’ case an entire planet, is contemptible and criminal as well. Exposure to radiation is horrid and odious. The health effects are forever unknown and any illness can be directly related – even odd illnesses like a gastrointestinal problem 15 years later. I wrote a book, a 708 page book titled “Ionizing Radiation 911" and I sent letters of request to the Japanese and Russian governments for medical data on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Chernobyl. I received quite a bit of bound material. The investigations are ongoing with new data obtained every year because exposures like this have life-long effects that we’re just now becoming familiar with and just slightly at that. We do know that very low level radiation actually has a greater or more magnified effect on human health and that a single sub-micron radioactive particle within a living being emits radiation for the living beings life and causes irreparable damage and eventually an earlier than would be expected death. As for low level exposure, lifetime extremely low level exposure has a far greater impact on human health than one large survivable exposure such as that experienced by what are called the “Nuclear Veterans”. For example, living within 20 miles of a nuclear power plant may actually have a greater population wide measurable effect than, again as a rough example, people exposed to a high but one-time and short-lived exposure that, let’s suggest, were maybe 3-10 miles from ground zero Nagasaki or Hiroshima. It’s difficult to be exact with this material because, as I said, the medical data is still being collected today although, as with everything, as recently as 2008 staffing was cut dramatically in both Japan and Russia to monitor and compile records on humans exposed during these events. Medical investigation is ongoing, but monumentally slow. Exposure to radioactivity does not only cause cancer. It causes neurological, gastrointestinal, lymphatic and ALL-SYSTEM damage. Exposure for a certain time level and dose causes cataracts. This is what we’re learning and have learned. We see a complete variety of almost every disease known to man with exposure to radiation. Different exposure types, times and amounts of exposure dictate response, to some degree, but not a degree that’s confidently predictable. Honestly, I’m a high school and then college drop-out although I did manage to do well financially throughout my life. That I’m retired and have a great deal of time to study these issues helps immensely. BUT people of Dr. Wood and Dr. Jones’ caliber, with knowledge of physics, chemistry and the elements on the periodic table, with an understanding of science having spent entire lifetimes and full careers intimately involved in it, can only be seen as purposefully obfuscating the truth. There is no excuse. Clare wants to think Dr. Wood is ignorant. She is not. Contact her. Ask to discuss my 22 pages titled, “19-42" which I’ve linked in these emails repeatedly. She will not. Dr. Jones won’t either. One cannot, as a scientist, publicly make an ass of oneself and a public debate on those pages with me, or anyone else with a full understanding of the material in them, would crucify either of them and they know it. I do this full-time, or did until mid-2012 when I figured out more than enough and I spend my time now publishing a weekly eMagazine titled, “Globalism” which is about Class Warfare. I write something about 9/11 in most issues. CLARE KUEHN: Of course she ridicules you. She thinks somehow you took her images (she’s fanatic and unreasonable about images, even when they’re in the public domain). She also thinks you’re overweening — she’s not into nukes; she’s set on the EMF. JEFF PRAGER: Proving fission, ternary fission at that with the possibility of quaternary fission with the USGS data was not easy nor did anyone think to use the data for a number of years. The USGS data was collected by chemists, not physicists. I spoke with 3 of the chemists at the USGS who participated in the study, the three top people. I’ve spoken to one of them 3 times. I was asked what the daughter products of strontium are because these are chemists, not physicists, and they never would have seen fission in the data. However, I do want to state, ANY physicist working intimately with current explosive nuclear devices could look at the USGS Chemistry Table 1 data and see fission in an instant. There are, perhaps, 100-200 people on earth, if that, because I’m being generous, with the skill set required to see fission instantly in the data. Dr. Jones is one of them. Dr. Jones’ samples were acquired, handled and used in such a way that anyone, including Dr. Jones himself, could have tampered with those samples and as I’ve stated previously, no true scientist in his right mind would use them, yet Jones did. The USGS does not claim to have found no thermite. That’s my claim. The USGS used all of the same methods of analysis Jones used and them some. They took far more sub-micron images than Jones supplied in his Bentham Open essay and their dust analysis is far more complex and infinitely more thorough than that of Jones. My examination of the USGS dust samples and the examination of those same samples by both physicists and chemists indicates no evidence of conventional explosives, thermite or nano-chemical explosives or any type of incendiary residues and they would be there if they were used. The USGS analysis included: scanning electron microscopy (SEM) at USGS and Delta Group, scanning transmission ion microscopy (STIM) at USGS and Delta Group, high temporal resolution aerosol mass profiles (Mass STIM), (in vacuum) AT the Center for Accelerator Mass Spectrometry, at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory proton elastic scattering analysis (PESA) (in vacuum) at LLNL, Na-U, synchrotron x-ray fluorescence (in vacuum) (S-XRF) and digital Si (Li) analysis at Advanced Light Source, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory laser desorption ionization time-of-flight mass spectrometry (LDITOF/MS) (in vacuum) and synchrotron-induced X-Ray Fluorescence (S-XRF) at the University of California. A slightly more sophisticated analysis than Jones performed. Now, you worked for the government and you know how these agencies work. This analysis, as you can see from the organizations involved in the paragraph above, involved 100s of people, all plodding away, doing their government jobs like they do every day. They were analyzing dust for chrysolite content for the EPA. Little did they know that their data would prove fission. Interestingly, there is a tremendous amount of missing data in Chemistry Table 1. When I asked about the hundreds of na’s (not available) where percentages or parts per million were concerned I was told perhaps the quantity of that element at that location was too small. Based on the study and the quantities shown, that’s absurd. While my analysis of the USGS data proves unequivocally that 911 was a nuclear event, if I had all of the missing data I could narrow down the device type slightly. Probably not precisely, but much closer than I can now. We can say, being cautious, that: 1. 911 was a nuclear event JIM VIKEN: It’s obvious, any reasonable person who has looked at the evidence and listened to Jeff Prager knows that he is correct in his claim that mini nukes were used. The actual specific type is open to discussion since there are known to be a number of very small types than could have been used. But that such demolition was nuclear based and probably involving fusion is undeniable. Prager’s assertions of this must be considered the best interpretation and conclusion after examination of all the available evidence of the destruction of the Twin Towers. Any other known means of destruction including particle beam (DEWS) does not have near enough power to pulverize so much concrete and steel in mere fractions of a second. It is only the focused nuclear cracking of the forces that hold atoms together that could have released enough energy to demo the Twin Towers in the manner which occurred. Folks who are well informed about deep cover black ops like this know that numerous different aspects and layers are always included: to test new weapon systems; to throw investigators off; and to provide narratives to be later used to conceal the main thrust of the operation. Thus it is reasonable to expect that the attack on the Twin Towers included conventional high explosives, perhaps in the basement right before the main hits of the upper floors, nano-thermate in some areas which would be visible to observers as slag coming out windows, and the use of fourth or fifth generation mini or even micro nukes at about every tenth floor, setting them off from the top down in sequence. But for anyone to suggest that conventional high explosives or nano-thermate was in anyway a sufficient cause or the main cause or anything more than a minor part, is certainly not making sense in terms of the laws of physics and what the best existing evidence shows. DR. ED WARD: The WTC specimen I got from Janette MacKinley (RIP – Died of a Brain Tumor in 2010) – which disappeared after Deagle got involved and suddenly he has a sample he can’t get tested – had no red granules – everything was grey like powdered concrete. No one has been able to beat the 1 to 1 weight ratio of of the best super-duper nanothermite to steel requiring around a billion pounds of thermite required just to melt steel – let alone craters, atomization of metals, concrete, cars, fire resistant paper, a billion pounds of 1800 degree residue, tritium and more. Only the massive bombardment of neutrons can do what was done. For more, Understanding the Scam of ‘Thermite’ on 9 11 - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/481 History Channel Molten Metal At Ground Zero – The World Trade Center, Rise and Fall of an American Icon, Richard Riggs amongst a background of nuclear devastation talks about molten metal. 42 seconds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI Molten WTC Rock - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMu2w7fSG8&feature=related Molten Metals under WTC 6 weeks after 9/11 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmMLDG87Sak&feature=related A nice compilation of ‘molten steel’ observations. Excerpt from Blueprint for Truth. 8 minuteshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqJSDn5dgJc&feature=related The thermite portion is BS, “Bogus Science”, to hide the use of nukes. The Mystery of WTC 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVs4oMQEpvs&feature=related Massive Steel ‘Spire’ Melts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4&feature=related Some tower and some spire. Only a nuke can melt steel like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W0-W582fNQ Further evidence of tremendous heat can be seen in this 8 ton 6" thick I-beam that is bent like a horseshoe without warping, kinking or splitting. http://thewebfairy.com/911/h-effect/horseshoe.htm For the referenced facts see what’s been being hidden by most ‘truth’ organizations for 6 years, see: Bombs in the WTC Proves Nothing to Racist-Fascist Bigots http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/08/21/ward.htm US Government’s Usage of Atomic Bombs http://www.serendipity.li/wot/ed_ward/use_of_abombs.htm Update: The US Government’s Usage of Atomic Bombs – Domestic – WTC http://www.usavsus.info/WTC-MoreEvidence.htm Update: Proven 9/11 Nukes = US Government Involvement http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/proven-9-11-nukes-us-government-involvement/ Dennis Cimino, A.A., EE; spent 35-years EMI/EMC testing, field engineering; FDR testing and certifications specialist; Navy Combat Systems Specialist; 2,000 hours, Pilot in Command, Commercial Instrument Single and Multi-Engine Land Pilot, Eastern Airlines 727-200, Second Officer. Donald Fox has done extensive research on the role of mini-nukes by Dr. Ed Ward and on work by The Anonymous Physicist on the towers and has formulated an account of how it was done and why there is more to this story relative to very low-yield thermonuclear devices. Clare Kuehn, a University of Toronto graduate in history and student of philosophy, mathematics and the arts, discussed Judy Wood, WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO?, and presented evidence for “Directional Free or ‘Low-Input’ Energy Weapons” during The Vancouver Hearings. Jeff Prager, founder of an award winning magazine for Senior Citizens, in 2002 he tried to prove 19 Muslims hijacked four planes and attacked us. By 2005, he realized this was false, sold his business, left the US and began to investigate 9/11 full-time. See 9/11 America Nuked. Jim Viken, Ph.D., a Social Psychologist, Psychologist Emeritus, and retired former Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist, who has become an expert in psyops and covert operations and made many appearances on “The Real Deal” archived at http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com. Ed Ward, M.D., among the leading experts on the use of nukes on 9/11, maintains an extensive archive about them at his “Weblog of Tyranny”, http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/, and has also appeared as a guest on “The Real Deal”, which you can hear at Jim Fetzer, McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth, is the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, edited its first book, THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY (2007), organized its first conference, “The Science and Politics of 9/11" (Madison) and co-organized “The Vancouver Hearings”.Mini-Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle
by Don Fox, Clare Kuehn, Jeff Prager, Jim Viken and Dr. Ed Ward (with Dennis Cimino and Jim Fetzer)
There are a half-dozen or more theories about how the Twin Towers were destroyed, where, as The Vancouver Hearings have established, the “official account”–that the buildings collapsed, due to the intense heat of the jet-fuel based fires, which caused the steel to lose its strength and lead to a cascade of floors falling upon one another–is the least defensible and most effortlessly refuted of them all.
During The Vancouver Hearings, Clare Kuehn, “Were DEWs used to decimate the Twin Towers?”, made heroic efforts to explain why hypothesis (h3), the use of DEWs (Directed Energy Weapons) might have been involved, as Judy Wood, Ph.D., the former professor of mechanical engineering from Clemson University, has proposed. The principal problems with the this approach, however, are that, (1) while her book, Where did the Towers Go?, and her web site, http://drjudywood.com, do an admirable job in laying out the effects that need to be explained (technically known as “the explanandum”) by means of an adequate theory (its “explanans”), (2) Judy Wood herself claims that she does not have a theory, which means that she is likely to deny any specific position attributed to her, where (3) the strongest claim she makes is that the energy that was required to destroy the Twin Towers was significantly beyond that provided by conventional explosives–and was directed! Among the kinds of fascinating evidence to which she and Clare invite our attention are oddities related to those who jumped from the towers, the lathering phenomena that preceded the destruction of both Twin Towers and WTC-7 as well, and the importance of “the bathtub”, a dike-like wall that kept Hudson River water from flooding beneath lower Manhattan and the subway and PATH train tunnels, the preservation of which appears to be the primary reason why the towers had to be destroyed by a novel form of demolition that would convert most of those 500,000 ton buildings into very fine dust rather than allow them to fall upon and damage the bathtub. Dust particles, after all, remain suspended in the atmosphere and do not come down in mass. 
As I have explained in “9/11 Truth will out: The Vancouver Hearings II”, which should be read along with this article, the most plausible theory now appears to be that arrangements of mini or micro-nukes were used to blow out 10 floor segments at a time, where, because the top 30 floors of the South Tower had tilted to the side and were blown out as one, the sequence of the South Tower took about 9 seconds and for the North Tower 11. Mini-Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle
NOTE: The following email exchange took place 25-27 October 2012, which was initially precipitated by my posting this and inviting comments:
The discussion that followed seems to complement previous exchanges about this crucial subject, which leads me to post it here for consideration. The final comment by Jeff Prager was taken from a related email thread and integrated here, because it fits very nicely into the ongoing discussion.
JEFF PRAGER:
There is some suggestion that parts of the buildings were left floorless. Now, two possibilities come to mind: 1. the indications are due to pre-demo on some floors (there is a photo of Gelitin B where there are wrong floorings and ceilings are too high), and it couldn’t have been used; 2. it really was like that in parts of the tower: a man named Tom Della-Latta (actually, my friend!) was a youth whose father worked on the towers, was invited for a family viewing “behind the scenes” and he said he’ll never forget looking up into the darkness in one of the finished towers, seeing only girders several floors up. 
If this was the case partway up it’s structurally fine: the girders would be the support with the walls and central columns, and several floors could be left without floor pans, and only internal support beams to connect and buttress — like internal buttresses. Tinker-toy, upon which some areas were given flooring as well, and the lower levels particularly. Not impossible at all physically (not that it was done, necessarily).
The bomb does have blast effects but they are much less than a fission bomb or a regular hydrogen bomb. So let’s modify the scenario by using low-yield mini-neutron bombs and place them inside the core columns of giant skyscrapers. These mini-nukes do have blast effects but it’s going to be minimized as the yield is lower. So the hypocenter of the blast is going to vaporize the core of the buildings and turn most of the rest of the material into small particles of dust that covers Lower Manhattan in a pyroclastic dust cloud. Which is what is observed. Large chunks of WTC 1 and 2 are ejected into nearby buildings. But all of the nearby buildings are still standing. They are not flattened by the mini-neutron bombs. The low-yield weapons and limited blast of the neutron bombs localize the effects. This is counter-intuitive to most people. When they think of nukes they envision whole cities getting flattened. Flattening whole cities isn’t usually the goal (especially in a black op). That’s why smaller weapons have greater military application.
Life was breathed back into the concept in the 1970s in an effort to improve NATO defenses by producing a weapon that directly challenged the immense Soviet strength – its tanks and armies. But, it did so without the massive physical damage usually associated with a nuclear weapon. Several hundred of the neutron bomb warheads were actually produced and stockpiled during the Reagan Administration. This new lease on life, however, soon came to an end. Following the first Persian Gulf War, President Bush at General Powell’s recommendation directed that all the tactical weapons be destroyed. ” 
What about Judy Wood then? She denies nukes at every turn same as Jones does. I think her audience is researchers and academic types who don’t buy the official story but are not familiar with the capabilities of mini-nukes. Publicly she states that she has no theory and her definition of a directed energy weapon (DEW) is merely “the evidence is consistent with the use of energy weapons that go well beyond the capabilities of conventional explosives and can be directed.” Mini-neutron bomb shaped charges fit that definition to a T. But Judy tries hard to persuade people that Hutchison/Tesla technology is the culprit and not nuclear bombs. Judy also proclaims that there is no need for a new 9/11 investigation because she has already done it. If you want to learn more about 9/11 then follow all of John Hutchison’s work in his lab. That will tell you all you need to know if you are still curious. So the Judy Wood bottom line is: no nukes on 9/11, no new investigation is needed and follow John Hutchison’s BS on YouTube or whatever. Don’t look at what’s going on at Los Alamos, Sandia, Lawrence Livermore or Oak Ridge. This is a recipe for going nowhere. She is a gatekeeper and nothing more. The efforts of her crew are coordinated so it appears Judy Wood is an intelligence operative.
2. Fission is proven without doubt
3. The evidence for fusion is extremely good
4. The anomalies seen suggest a fission triggered fusion device similar to the Russian RDS-220 detonated in 1961, but on a micro scale.
5. The devices used on 911 were likely neutron bombs, the most feared devices ever developed by humans on earth.
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#1. To: wudidiz (#0)
There are radiation detectors all over our major cities, just in case someone tries to smuggle nukes in. This is a long article full of nonsense.
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Couldn't be that long. It only took you 10 minutes to read it. If you actually did read it. "...the intended use for the neutron bomb was to detonate it a mile up and in a battlefield area. A 1 kiloton device would fry most of the soldiers within 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile radius. Most structures would be unharmed in this scenario which is why the neutron bomb has been described as a weapon that kills people but spares buildings. " Exactly. So that shows how this article IS rubbish, since neutron bombs are designed to release lethal radiation, but inflict no explosive damage to structures. Nonsense? Turtle went easy on the article. I'd call it bullshit.
This article tells me something important: The "truthers" haven't gotten their act together, even ten years after the event. There were clearly some discrepancies in the original truther notion of demolition bombs planted inside the buildings, so we now have theories involving nukes - but the kind of nukes that nobody seems to own. And no actual evidence of anything radioactive involved. Same with the hijacked planes ... first stories of remote controlled planes (although no evidence that full size commercial jetliners can be flown that way - and no evidence about any other explanation for the disappearance of all the passengers), and now weirder notions of truly amazing optical illusions with holograms.. "Trutherism" is a crank science. Instead of admitting its mistakes, it contrives more convoluted (and less plausible) corollaries in response to ever debunking.
More no brain nonsense. Get a education dude and stop wasting your time. Either that or be permanently branded a troll on this forum.
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This article was not put out by truthers. This is the work of disinfo agents.
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Stupid Theory It was just Box Cutters
{...} "Trutherism" is a crank science. Instead of admitting its mistakes, it contrives more convoluted (and less plausible) corollaries in response to ever debunking. And that is exactly what "no planers" and "neutron bombers" want folks like you to believe. It is disinformation purposely put out to discredit those who DO have actual facts and evidence proving 9/11 did not happen as reported, nor COULD it have since the laws of physics prove otherwise. So no, this is NOT "9/11 Truth", this is a disinformation campaign designed to sabotage any real interest in what actually occured on 9/11. BTW Shoonra, what are your thoughts concerning those Israelis arrested on the George Washington Bridge on the day of 9/11, who were found driving a van filled with tons of explosives? Although their extreme blast and heat effects are not eliminated, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb I REPEAT THE EXTREME BLAST AND HEAT EFFECTS DO NOT MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR IN A NEUTRON BOMB! Sheesh .... Add this to the growing list of things Former lurker needs to educate himself on. ..... ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
2. Barium and Strontium: Neither of these elements should ever appear in building debris in these quantities. The levels never fall below 400ppm for Barium and they never drop below 700ppm for Strontium and reach over 3000ppm for both in the dust sample taken at Broadway and John Streets. Thorium and Uranium: These elements only exist in radioactive form. Thorium is a radioactive element formed from Uranium by decay. It’s very rare and should not be present in building rubble, ever. So once again we have verifiable evidence that a nuclear fission event has taken place. Lithium: With the presence of lithium we have compelling evidence that this fission pathway of Uranium to Thorium and Helium, with subsequent decay of the Helium into Lithium has taken place. Lanthanum: Lanthanum is the next element in the disintegration pathway of the element Barium. Yttrium: The next decay element after Strontium, which further confirms the presence of Barium. Chromium: The presence of Chromium is one more “tell tale” signature of a nuclear detonation. Tritium: A very rare element and should not be found at concentrations 55 times normal the basement of WTC-6 no less than 11 days after 9/11, which is another “tell tale” sign of nukes. 1. I've said all along that bin Laden was a patsy to get us involved in Iraq. Now, they've murdered him in his hiding place in Pakistan. And, the Paki's are pissed. 2. More excellent proof that it was as the author states. All of these radioactive elements are NEVER found in the concentrations which were found at "ground zero". "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Not so. See my comments above in #11. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
They were Arabs pretending to be Israelis to further victimize the chosen ones. Obviously. Conspiracists will swallow ANYTHING. There are actually govt agents who spread conspiracy theories among the gullible to help promote the illusion that the govt is all powerful.
Uh huh. Thing is, you wouldn't use a neutron bomb if you wanted to cause damage, you'd use a regular micronuke or something, and even then, the blast would be radial, ie. it'd blow the structure out horizontally and turn the dust to glass or lava. A neutron bomb would simply make everything very radioactive in an instant, and provide a blast that would ALSO be radial in nature, but not as extreme. It WOULD however turn dust to glass or lava as well. So the likelihood of a neutron bomb are about as equally slim as a standard nuclear bomb. A more exotic weapon, using some cleaner form of energy which could be transferred upwards and downwards, would be more probable than any standard type of device, IF there was any sort of exotic weaponry used at all. I've spoken of this years ago, perhaps if you ever read my writings when I was at LP, you'd know that. See my comments in post 15. Are you fucking kidding me? Since when are you the expert on explosives? One post back you were trying to tell people the neutron bombs didn't cause explosions and here in the next you're trying to explain why a micro nuke would be better than a neutron bomb?!?!?! WTF!?!?! If you did not know shit about it in the first post I doubt you became a PHD in the subject by the next post. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
No one in the towers when it collapsed would have survived if it were neutron bombs causing the damage. At least one man did survive the collapse of the towers. He was in a stair well and rode fell down in it with the rest of the building. I think might have been the only survivor of the collapse that was in the tower when it happened. Again disinfo from you, Wudiz and Grey is never ending.
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You are the bigger asshole than me. You and lurker and your kind are the biggest assholes in the universe. Why? Because you SHIT all over anyone else you disagree with. Your disagreements maybe based of faith or whatever but that does not justify your shitting all over everyone else whom you disagree with. I know how to disagree with out being shitty but you sir... you are always shitting on everything you dislike. One of these days some prick is gonna fuck you up asshole. (I had to make the team america reference but RIcky really is a douche) ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
You need to get off of the LSD.
#2. To: Turtle (#1)
This is a long article full of nonsense.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#3. To: wudidiz (#2)
Most structures would be unharmed in this scenario which is why the neutron bomb has been described as a weapon that kills people but spares buildings.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#4. To: wudidiz (#2)
#5. To: wudidiz (#0)
#6. To: wudidiz (#0)
#7. To: Shoonra (#5)
#8. To: wudidiz (#2)
#9. To: Shoonra (#5)
(Edited)
The "truthers" haven't gotten their act together, even ten years after the event.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#10. To: FormerLurker (#3)
(Edited)
Exactly. So that shows how this article IS rubbish, since neutron bombs are designed to release lethal radiation, but inflict no explosive damage to structures.
#11. To: wudidiz (#0)
1. Here I am going to summarize the evidence for each and explain why the most defensible and difficult to falsify are those that posit the use of sophisticated arrangements of micro and mini-nukes, which, of course, is not a technique that would have been available to Osama bin Laden and his hearty band of 19 Islamic fanatics,
#12. To: FormerLurker (#3)
this article IS rubbish
#13. To: FormerLurker (#9)
BTW Shoonra, what are your thoughts concerning those Israelis arrested on the George Washington Bridge on the day of 9/11, who were found driving a van filled with tons of explosives?
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#14. To: RickyJ (#7)
This is the work of disinfo agents.
#15. To: titorite, RickyJ, wudidiz, Original_Intent, tom007, *9-11* (#10)
I REPEAT THE EXTREME BLAST AND HEAT EFFECTS DO NOT MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR IN A NEUTRON BOMB!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#16. To: BTP Holdings (#12)
Not so. See my comments above in #11.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#17. To: FormerLurker (#15)
Uh huh. Thing is, you wouldn't use a neutron bomb if you wanted to cause damage, you'd use a regular micronuke or something, and even then, the blast would be radial, ie. it'd blow the structure out horizontally and turn the dust to glass or lava.
#18. To: titorite (#17)
#19. To: RickyJ (#18)
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Again disinfo from you, Wudiz and Grey is never ending.
#20. To: wudidiz (#0)
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#21. To: All, *9-11* (#18)
I was wrong, there were 20 survivors pulled from the rubble of the WTC Towers. Now take your propaganda you no brainers (planers) and stick is where the sun doesn't shine!
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#22. To: titorite (#19) (Edited)
Hey little tit, you don't have a leg to stand on little troll. hehe, you really suck at this. Why don't you ask your big brother BeAChooser to give you a helping hand, he didn't suck near as bad as this trio does.
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#23. To: RickyJ (#21)
That would be inside your excuse of an unquestioning brain. Now take your propaganda you no brainers (planers) and stick is where the sun doesn't shine!
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#24. To: RickyJ (#22)
What sucks is how bad your comprehension skills are and how ignorant you are... ... You are one of those less intelligent people that are easily led. ... I bet you even think ROmny is a better choice than obummer Hey little tit, you don't have a leg to stand on little troll. hehe, you really suck at this.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#25. To: titorite (#23)
What kind of brain power do you have to never admit you are wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence? Very little or you are just a troll. With you it is a probably both.
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#26. To: RickyJ (#25)
WTF you are the one that does not accept evidence!!! Look I don't even know if I agree with this particular theory of destruction. Micro Netron bombs seem out there and I would like to learn alot more about it before I go all out and say yes I agree.... so for the moment I do not agree with Wudiziz on this... Wouldn't be the first time. But we can disagree with out shitting on one another. You sir are just a shitty person ricky.... a real asshole. What kind of brain power do you have to never admit you are wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence? Very little or you are just a troll. With you it is a probably both.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#27. To: Critter (#20)
Geez Critter, I would have expected more than and ad hom from you. Maybe some sort of intelligent counter argument. Anything. I've yet to put you in the classification of angry, mindless, control-freakish hardline truther doctrine cops. I didn't even write the fuckin article. You need to get off of the LSD.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#28. To: wudidiz (#27)
For my part .... the only thing to me... that can explain the dissipating spire is DEW weapons.... Wiki has great articles on it that explain how certain ones work and one effect describes exactly what happened at the spire.... That said I also believe it to be a combination of things and DEW weapons may of only be used as a clean up method...a kind of destruction of the destruction to ensure the evidence got destroyed as much as they could possibly destroy it... before shipping it all off to china to be recycled. .....one has to wonder if any of those chinease kept any of the towers.... I bet many of them did now that I think about it... If they knew what they were recycling no doubt a few of them would keep sovieners....
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#29. To: Critter (#20)
Whatever he is on, it is strong that is for sure. Thinking is not a requirement in his world, just agendas. You need to get off of the LSD.
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#30. To: RickyJ (#29)
Whatever he is on, it is strong that is for sure. Thinking is not a requirement in his world, just agendas. FUck you, stop recruiting. That is what real disinfo men do... Those airforce cyber trolls... Just fucking quit shit tard. Someone has a theory You disagree with it. WE all fucking get it. Now grow the fuck up and respectfully disagree and stop shitting on everyone you disagree with To: Critter
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#31. To: titorite (#28)
That said I also believe it to be a combination of things and DEW weapons may of only be used as a clean up method...a kind of destruction of the destruction to ensure the evidence got destroyed as much as they could possibly destroy it... before shipping it all off to china to be recycled. .....one has to wonder if any of those chinease kept any of the towers.... I bet many of them did now that I think about it... If they knew what they were recycling no doubt a few of them would keep sovieners.... Not really sure what it was that destroyed the wtc, but it sure is a mystery. It should be solvable. I don't rely on Steven Jones for the answer or angry trolls that dive on these threads reminding me of when I would post anything Ron Paul or 9/11 on LP. People should lighten up. If they're so right about their opinions anyway. For my part .... the only thing to me... that can explain the dissipating spire is DEW weapons.... Wiki has great articles on it that explain how certain ones work and one effect describes exactly what happened at the spire....
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#32. To: titorite (#19)
Whoever wrote the article is trying to sidetrack us from the real issue, which is not how the buildings were brought down, but who was responsible for their destruction.
#33. To: RickyJ, titorite (#18) (Edited)
Exactly. A neutron bomb is designed to kill life through intense radiation, and the kill radius more than likely would not have been confined to the WTC tower. If anything, the blast, if powerful enough to do any damage at all, would have caused an instant buldge in the exterior of the WTC, resulting in it disintegating where the detonation occured, and the cement particles turning to glass. A bright flash more than likely would have been noticable. It collapsed from the top down however, which indicates controlled explosives were detonated in a sequential pattern starting from under the damaged floors down to the bottom of the structure in a precise timing that destroyed the floor supports as the falling upper mass was about to collapse into it. There is no need for anything as elaborate as a nuclear device, neutron bomb or not. However, if it was desired to use such a nuclear device, a STANDARD low yield nuclear bomb would be preferable over one that produced higher levels of radiation. Radiation from a neutron bomb would have killed perhaps tens of thousands instantly, more than that over the next few hours and days. So their theory makes no sense, it is not based on science, it's based on pure speculation by those who can't even use simple logic to weigh the validity of a claim. No one in the towers when it collapsed would have survived if it were neutron bombs causing the damage.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#34. To: Obnoxicated (#32)
To me it is all relevant. Color me boring but I wanna know it all the who what when where how and why. Who was responsible...... I can fast track that answer. I pay taxes. Regardless of where I would of liked them to go... I know where they went in reality. Whoever wrote the article is trying to sidetrack us from the real issue, which is not how the buildings were brought down, but who was responsible for their destruction.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#35. To: FormerLurker (#33) (Edited)
Tell me lurker, Where can I get this instant PHD you so quickly acquired. I had no clue you where any kind of authority on the subject. I mean one moment ago you where saying these kinds of bombs caused no explosion... When did you change your mind about that? Former lurker likes to talk out of his ass and remains ignorant on the subject of neutron bombs.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#36. To: FormerLurker (#33)
That's what I see. Evidently there were humongus explosions in the basement prior to the main event. Note the antenna wobbling - the building was already seriously compromised prior to the sequential demolitions. were detonated in a sequential pattern starting from under the damaged floors
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#37. To: BTP Holdings (#11)
It's at least worth considering, isn't it? All of these radioactive elements are NEVER found in the concentrations which were found at "ground zero".
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#38. To: wudidiz, honway, aristiedes, Original_Intent, RickyJ (#31)
If you recall, it was people such as honway, aristiedes, myself, Original_Intent, and several others who would post accurate and factual data contradicting shills on LP such as BeAChooser, and would have to deal with a number of other shills who would either sidetrack the conversation or start attacking us with personal attacks. You came along on the tail end of that era, where BeAChooser had already left LP, and yukon took his place as the forum head shill. Apparently you were on our side, now you see us as the enemy. I don't know what happened to you wudidiz. You're certainly not helping things any. I don't rely on Steven Jones for the answer or angry trolls that dive on these threads reminding me of when I would post anything Ron Paul or 9/11 on LP.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#39. To: Obnoxicated, titorite, *9-11* (#32)
I'll guess you're not a detective, because generally a murder mystery investigation involves trying to figure out what weapon was used. Usually. It helps to narrow down the suspect(s). Whoever wrote the article is trying to sidetrack us from the real issue, which is not how the buildings were brought down, but who was responsible for their destruction.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#40. To: titorite (#35) (Edited)
Hey jackoff, I was studying physics while you were still sucking your mother's tit. I didn't say they don't explode. I said they released intense radiation, greater than that of standard nuclear devices. It'd be easier and cleaner to use a standard nuke rather than one which would be dirty by design. A neutron bomb detonates with less explosive force than a standard nuke, but kills more people with radiation than a standard nuke would. That is the very definition of the neutron bomb. Look it up genius. Or are you going to say that isn't true?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: FormerLurker (#38)
Whatever. What do you think of this? You're certainly not helping things any.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#42. To: wudidiz (#41)
Reports are that the bottom of that structure let go and the entire structure fell, and that pieces of it were recovered. The spire doesn't disintegrate, it is coated with dust from the WTC. What do you think of this?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#43. To: titorite, RickyJ (#30)
BTW, we can all see who starts the profanity on these sorts of threads. Now grow the fuck up and respectfully disagree and stop shitting on everyone you disagree with
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#44. To: tom007 (#13)
The story about a truck full of explosives on the George Washington Bridge ... and the Israeli connection to it ... seems to be a fiction.
#45. To: titorite, RickyJ, *9-11* (#19)
Because you SHIT all over anyone else you disagree with. Seems like YOU, titorite, are accusing people of the very crimes you are in the process of committing. You are the bigger asshole than me. You and lurker and your kind are the biggest assholes in the universe. Why?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#46. To: Shoonra, *9-11* (#44)
It's been VERY well documented that several Israelis were arrested on the George Washington Bridge with tons of explosives in their van, owned by Urban Moving Systems of New Jersey. They were held for several months, then released. The story about a truck full of explosives on the George Washington Bridge ... and the Israeli connection to it ... seems to be a fiction.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: wudidiz (#39)
Let's see now, the same group of ruling class establishment pigs who murdered almost 3,000 innocent persons at the World Trade towers are the same group of ruling class establishment pigs who now want to manage and literally dictate our healthcare. Does anyone out there really trust the ruling class establishment pig system? murder
#48. To: RickyJ (#18)
I'd have to say titorite is the most obnoxious shill I've seen on a forum for awhile. He's right up there with yukon, but worse since he pretends to be a "patriot".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#49. To: FormerLurker (#42)
Reports are that the bottom of that structure let go and the entire structure fell, and that pieces of it were recovered. The spire doesn't disintegrate, it is coated with dust from the WTC. You need a "report" to tell you what happened there? It looks to me like it disintegrated. What do you think of this?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#50. To: sizzlerguy (#47)
Let's see now, the same group of ruling class establishment pigs who murdered almost 3,000 innocent persons at the World Trade towers are the same group of ruling class establishment pigs who now want to manage and literally dictate our healthcare. Does anyone out there really trust the ruling class establishment pig system? I don't trust what they or their propagandists say. I look at videos of what they want us to think of as a "collapse" and see way too much dust. Absolutely no explanation in the official story for the dust or why all the paper wasn't burnt. No human remains larger than a tooth or bone fragment. Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it? What did they do that with? What the hell did this? murder
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#51. To: wudidiz (#49) (Edited)
Oh ya....the top section tilts over intact,You need a "report" to tell you what happened there? It looks to me like it disintegrated.
should fall as one piece and rake the side of the building on the way down.
1/4....vs 3/4 mass,....it should rake the sides and become a rubble pile at the base.
Instead....it disintegrates before your eye's......poof!
Its pulverized in seconds.
I'm with those who view Building 7 as a screw up,...it was supposed to fall the same time....hidden by the wave of falling material and choking dust clouds.
7 still standing prior to 5:20 pm reveals the controlled demolition,
yet the 2 towers had something else going on which is a very real energy application....we saw it at work.
Defining what exactly can pulverize concrete in seconds...almost as if the atomic matrix/molecules were vibrated and failed to the degree they became micron size afterwards.
9-11 is of course an Occult event...allong with it being the kick off for the next phase of Grand Chessboard.
So ya....they are boasting openly....its an announcement and a pleasure/orgasmic worship fest for the Occult trash.
We try our best to kick over the traces and discover how they did it.
Any number of mediums are evident....there is interlaced/CGI via the controlled media.
This is pre canned....and later...more CGI and photoshop appears.
Yet you get the withheld side.....like the Pentagon....5 blurry frames.
some 68 surrounding field view CCTV and other recording devices confiscated show what happened at the Pentagon.
so the cover up and control is one of using visual media...and withholding.
CNN's Jamie McIntyre is on scene in minutes saying there is no evidence of a airliner hitting the Pentagon...no wreckage,
and then some time later [After a gun was put to his head]...he recants and tells a different story.
....9-11 the event,....and 9-11...the follow on cover up,...with people getting bumped off...who saw...and knew too much.
#52. To: wudidiz (#39)
You check the victin for wounds. Unfortunately, the victim was disposed of before the wounds could be examined. Fortunately, there is video of the murder as it occured. The squibs blowing out of the window openings 30 floors below the debris wave should tell you all you need to know about the method and weapon used.
#53. To: wudidiz (#50)
I heard the results of a recent poll. The poll asked Americans, "Do you believe in heaven?" 80% of 'em answered YES, they believe in heaven. So I guess if the propagandists have convinced 80% of Americans to believe in "heaven," the propagandists think they can use any lies to prey on human weaknesses to convince almost anyone to believe in any fairytale they present. propagandists say.
#54. To: Parrot with speed dial (#51)
Right on Parrot, thank you. Coudn't have said it better.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#55. To: wudidiz (#54)
Hi Wudidiz This last year has revealed a renewed vigor to outlast the Jews and the Jesuits in this matter. These must be very sure their plan will succeed...as they would not likely surface so openly and gloat.
People are seeing it now via the obvious World Banker gloatfest....where their controlled media crows loudly that Bankers should run the economy's of nations...and the world.
Europa has the 3 Jesuit Triumvirate ruling now over Banking as nation soveriegnty falls before the Giant statue of the revived Holy Roman Empire [HRE]
America is soon to be cast and mauled by the contrived Austerity [the fiscal cliff]
so ya....people see this and they see the damn Jews and the Jesuits...and the Oligarchy which commands big oil..big war and big serfdom.
#56. To: FormerLurker (#48)
And that is what makes you a sick fuck worhtless trash filth. You know all about me and yukon. All about it. and how much I dislike him... I think you were present for my banning over yukon comming out of the closet again... You know all that and like the filth you are you use it against me. Disgusting human slime. Hold your breath cretin and don't ever stop. I'd have to say titorite is the most obnoxious shill I've seen on a forum for awhile. He's right up there with yukon, but worse since he pretends to be a "patriot".
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#57. To: FormerLurker (#38) (Edited)
Who the fuck are you? george fucking bush? If people are not on your side they are your enemy?!?! Fuck you! Apparently you were on our side, now you see us as the enemy. I don't know what happened to you wudidiz.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#58. To: FormerLurker (#40) (Edited)
I didn't say they don't explode
but inflict no explosive damage to structures.
That was post number 3 you lying human stain.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#59. To: FormerLurker (#43)
I would rather be an honest man that swore alot rather than a lying piece of shit. BTW, we can all see who starts the profanity on these sorts of threads.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#60. To: Parrot with speed dial (#51)
I had not considered that aspect as a possibility.... Thank you! NOW thats what these conversations are about! Better understandings through fresh insights..... I'm with those who view Building 7 as a screw up,...it was supposed to fall the same time....hidden by the wave of falling material and choking dust clouds.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#61. To: Obnoxicated (#52)
With out a doubt this would be acceptable if not for all the other stuff.... Good lord I think I can tell you where those squibs are by heart. Thats how many times I have watched this. I know they are present. Thats part of the rub... They are present... so are many other things. The twin towers were a first generation super sky scraper ... As such they would have to be brought down differently ... Their were safer ways to do it... people at CDI dreamed at having the opportunity... instead it was brought down in a vile way... And safety was not the concern but rather destruction of the evidence ..... Down to the atomic level. On that day the destruction of the twin towers was anything but conventional .. The system employed multiple destruction techniques. We should know what they are in addition to everything else... The squibs blowing out of the window openings 30 floors below the debris wave should tell you all you need to know about the method and weapon used.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
#62. To: titorite (#56)
I don't know about yukon, but your lack of civility and affinity for using filth seems very GrandIsland/Mad Dog-esque to me.
#63. To: titorite (#61)
I believe the pressence of nano-thermite in the debris pretty much negates the mini- nuke theory.
#64. To: wudidiz (#49)
You're obviously relying on the "report" on YouTube that it disintegrated. Look closer at the video. You'll see that it's falling, not disintegrating. You need a "report" to tell you what happened there? It looks to me like it disintegrated.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#65. To: wudidiz (#50)
The very last picture you posted gives the answer. The pyroclastic cloud is what burnt those vehicles. What the hell did this?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#66. To: titorite (#57)
Projecting again, eh? I wasn't even talking to you, is that it, you're jealous? You've done nothing more than launch outrageous attacks against anyone who disagrees with you and hurl profanities at those who take a side opposite yours. Then you accuse them of the very thing you are personally doing. Are you really that big of a retard to think other people don't notice that? If people are not on your side they are your enemy?!?! Fuck you!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#67. To: FormerLurker (#66) (Edited)
NO NO NO NO Let us compare what you said in post number THREE to what you said in post number FORTY , you fucking lying sack of filth shit scum bush cock sucker. In one post you said neutron bombs caused no explosion. After I gave you a wiki link correcting your ignorance you wanna act like an expert explaining everything away that you want? NO FUCKING WAY! You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about and you have shown AGAIN a willingness to lie to convince other of what you will.... fuck that.... fuck you. It is bad enough to be shat upon when someone disagree with you.. And I could deal with someone shitting on me over disagreements. But when you lie...... as you did in post 40.... by saying you never said those words you posted in post number 3 All anyone has to do is compare... fuck if I were better I'd make a screen shot of it.... If I am lucky maybe some one who likes me would treat me to such a nice framed picture you attempting to weasel your way out of looking so foolish by attempting to LIE YOUR WAY OUT OF IT YOU FUCKING LYING SACK OF FILTH. Forgive me everyone else. Alone one transgression is not enough to set me off.... But lurker has known me. And I have known him. And we all know each other from LP to here to Democratic Underground as well as elsewhere on the net.... many of us travel in alot of the same circles . The fact of all this.... and the fact that these two jerks,... LURKER IN PARTICULAR who have known me..... on all sorts of topics..not just 911. He knows me and still says all this shit.... I mean if he has been to a "truth seeker" meet up or the peoples pharmacy or the silver eagle... or any number of other events then it is very VERY likely that we have met in person.... if lurker aint texan then it aint likely that we have met. Regardless we still know each other for a number of year both here and at LP............... And this fuck stick lies, manipulates, conjoles, and does every dirty fucking thing under the sun, ALL THE TACTICS OF THE ENEMY USED, to further his notion of what he thinks happened on that day.... Multiple transgressions can and will set me off to high fucking hell Fuck you lurker. Fuck you. Projecting again, eh?
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#68. To: FormerLurker (#64)
I'd rather watch original videos from 2001 than your new improved nist vid. This one here is proof enough: You're obviously relying on the "report" on YouTube that it disintegrated. Look closer at the video. You'll see that it's falling, not disintegrating.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#69. To: FormerLurker (#65)
I'm gonna have to use the "omg yer so fullofit" card here. The pyroclastic cloud is what burnt those vehicles.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#70. To: Obnoxicated (#62)
Please forgive me. Please feel free to search my post history and if you are really so inclined compare my conversation our conversation of lurker and I. I apologize to you but as I said.. multiple transgressions multiply. He is now lying.. You too can compare what he said in post 3 to what he said in post 40 to see what I mean and why I've had it up to here with him. I don't know about yukon, but your lack of civility and affinity for using filth seems very GrandIsland/Mad Dog-esque to me.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#71. To: titorite, Lod, RickyJ, christine, ALL, *9-11* (#67)
Is this the sort of folks we have posting here on 4um these days? Regardless of your attacks, I had said neutron bombs are DESIGNED to kill by radiation, and leave buildings untouched. They are usually detonated in the sky, if you read the source material. I ALSO later said that sure, they still DO explode, but their radiation is much higher than that of a standard nuke. A device which would have been powerful enough to take down the WTC would have generated enough radiation to kill people in surrounding buildings within hours or days. That did not happen. Additionally, as I ALSO said, a burst from a nuclear weapon would have caused the building to horizontally bulge at the point of detonation, it would not have created a top down collapse as witnessed. So take your lies, your accusations, your attacks, your foul language, and your disinformation, and quietly go frolic on the nearest Interstate highway, I'm sure you'll find some other happy bath salt sniffers to party with. Let us compare what you said in post number THREE to what you said in post number FORTY , you fucking lying sack of filth shit scum bush cock sucker.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#72. To: Obnoxicated (#63)
ON topic I have wondered the same thing... about the findings of nano thermite and thermate and such... BUt that is not the be all end all... because even with thermite or thernmate those squibs could of been different charges... and the whole atomization of everything... and the insane collateral damage... The collateral damage.... Their should be whole films on the collateral damage... every one and every bit affected... all of us I suppose.... maybe that is too grand. BUt the collateral damage begs to be answered for. Too many really have died over it. I believe the pressence of nano-thermite in the debris pretty much negates the mini- nuke theory.
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#73. To: FormerLurker (#71) (Edited)
No that is a lie. in post 40 you claimed I didn't say they don't explode. I said they released intense radiation, greater than that of standard nuclear devices. It'd be easier and cleaner to use a standard nuke rather than one which would be dirty by design. A neutron bomb detonates with less explosive force than a standard nuke, but kills more people with radiation than a standard nuke would. That is the very definition of the neutron bomb. Look it up genius. Or are you going to say that isn't true? It was post three! In one post you said they did not explode... then you claimed to of never said that. You don't even understand what a neutron bomb is do you.... Why you lying bro? Why you lying? Also why are you using the same tactic twice? Last time you included christine and lod I got quite livid. You have selectively done so here again. We should all pay extra attention to such things. I ALSO later said that sure, they still DO explode, but their radiation is much higher than that of a standard nuke.
Hey jackoff, I was studying physics while you were still sucking your mother's tit.
Exactly. So that shows how this article IS rubbish, since neutron bombs are designed to release lethal radiation, but inflict no explosive damage to structures.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#74. To: FormerLurker, titorite, RIckyJ, Lod, christine (#71)
Honestly, you're not arguing fair. Seems like you'll resort to almost anything to win an argument and much of it is uncalled for. There's lots of evidence to make one wonder wtf happened. Just because someone wants to talk about it doesn't make them a shill or a disinfo troll. Seriously. All the personal attacks are just so hysterical and melodramatic. Lighten up, it's just another 9/11 argument none of us will win anyway. So take your lies, your accusations, your attacks, your foul language, and your disinformation, and quietly go frolic on the nearest Interstate highway, I'm sure you'll find some other happy bath salt sniffers to party with.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#75. To: wudidiz (#74)
Oh, so now you're oblivious to your new friend's constant barrage of personal attacks against me, and claim that I'M the one who'll resort to "anything" to win an argument? Take the fucking blinders off wud. Seems like you'll resort to almost anything to win an argument and much of it is uncalled for
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#76. To: titorite (#73) (Edited)
Hey shit for brains, I said they are DESIGNED to NOT inflict explosive damage to buildings, ie. structures, but to KILL BY RADIATION. If you think that is untrue, you are not only an idiot, you are a FUCKING idiot. Look it up on the net, it's there for anyone to read. Next, you accused me of claiming they don't explode. Saying that THEY ARE NOT DESIGNED TO CAUSE EXPLOSIVE DAMAGE is not the same as saying "THEY DON'T EXPLODE". Again, you fabricate this sort of thing out of thin air and claim I said something I didn't say. To top it off, you launch a barrage of personal insults, profanities, and accusations against not only me, but anyone here who disagrees with you. Go fuck yourself. In one post you said they did not explode... then
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#77. To: titorite (#67)
I love it when trolls don't know when to give up. You lost the argument and no amount of cussing and trying to bury that fact is going to work.
God is always good!
#78. To: wudidiz (#69)
You don't have one of those cards to use because any thinking person can see you have lost the argument. Posting crap from disinfo sites here and defending it either makes you a disinfo agent or a truly naive person whose brain is not functioning that well. Either way you got problems and I truly hope you get better. I'm gonna have to use the "omg yer so fullofit" card here.
God is always good!
#79. To: wudidiz (#69)
Did you even bother clicking on the Wiki link to see what a pyroclastic cloud, or flow, actually is? It's a superheated mixture of gas and rock usually created in a volcanic eruption. The dust cloud created by the collapse of the WTC towers WAS such a pyroclastic flow. Look it up. I'm gonna have to use the "omg yer so fullofit" card here.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#80. To: FormerLurker (#76) (Edited)
No no no no no sir. fuck you. This is as good as it is gonna get. Since we can not throttle one another I will bid you a fuck you. I didn't say they don't explode. A lie to cover up what you said. Mr PseudoPhysics. You really Really do not seem to know anything about neutron bombs.... or many other things I'm judging. Hey jackoff, I was studying physics while you were still sucking your mother's tit.
#3. To: wudidiz (#2) neutron bombs are designed to release lethal radiation, but inflict no explosive damage to structures.
NO explosive damage? I'm sorry you're full of shit. I REPEAT DID YOU SAY THEY INFLICT NO EXPLOSIVE DAMAGE.!!! That is not true. They do explode! With nuclear force! Thats why I corrected you in post 10... with a wiki link.... which you did not pay enough attention to when you glossed over it. Because it is obvious you looked at it but did not retain it nor bother to reference it when posting.... for fucks sake man if you can not retain it you should at least keep a page up to reference it so you know what you're talking about. I mean you don't have to be a fool unless you choose to be... you have thus far chosen to be a foolish lying jerk that is gonna make people cross with you ever more.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#81. To: RickyJ (#77)
If you think post 3 does not contradict post 40 then thats a failure on your part and no one elses'. I love it when trolls don't know when to give up. You lost the argument and no amount of cussing and trying to bury that fact is going to work.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#82. To: titorite, wudidiz (#80)
You: NO explosive damage? I'm sorry you're full of shit. Hey troll, your pal wudidiz posted the following statement in post 2, which was the post I was responding to. What it comes down to is that the neutron bomb is designed to NOT CAUSE DAMAGE TO BUILDINGS, but to KILL PEOPLE WITH RADIATION. Do you understand that, or is that too complicated for you? #3. To: wudidiz (#2) neutron bombs are designed to release lethal radiation, but inflict no explosive damage to structures.
"...the intended use for the neutron bomb was to detonate it a mile up and in a battlefield area. A 1 kiloton device would fry most of the soldiers within 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile radius. Most structures would be unharmed in this scenario which is why the neutron bomb has been described as a weapon that kills people but spares buildings. There is no lingering radioactivity so the area will be inhabitable almost immediately after the blast is over. There is a blast of radiation then that’s pretty much it. "
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#83. To: RickyJ (#78)
Veteran's today isn't a disinfo site. Posting crap from disinfo sites here and defending it either makes you a disinfo agent or a truly naive person whose brain is not functioning that well.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#84. To: wudidiz, RickyJ (#83)
It didn't used to be. I may have to reevaluate that view. Veteran's today isn't a disinfo site.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#85. To: FormerLurker (#79)
Did you even bother clicking on the Wiki link to see what a pyroclastic cloud, or flow, actually is? It's a superheated mixture of gas and rock usually created in a volcanic eruption. The dust cloud created by the collapse of the WTC towers WAS such a pyroclastic flow. Look it up. So you're saying that the dust cloud created by the collapse was a superheated mixture of gas and rock? Cool. I'm gonna have to use the "omg yer so fullofit" card here.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#86. To: wudidiz (#85)
In the case of the WTC, gases and cement dust.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: wudidiz (#85)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#88. To: FormerLurker, titorite (#82)
What it comes down to is that the neutron bomb is designed to NOT CAUSE DAMAGE TO BUILDINGS, but to KILL PEOPLE WITH RADIATION. There is a difference between "Most structures would be unharmed in this scenario" and your edited version with added twist, "designed to NOT CAUSE DAMAGE TO BUILDINGS" "...the intended use for the neutron bomb was to detonate it a mile up and in a battlefield area. A 1 kiloton device would fry most of the soldiers within 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile radius. Most structures would be unharmed in this scenario which is why the neutron bomb has been described as a weapon that kills people but spares buildings. There is no lingering radioactivity so the area will be inhabitable almost immediately after the blast is over. There is a blast of radiation then that’s pretty much it. "
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#89. To: FormerLurker (#86)
Or at least cement dust anyway. Maybe some disintegrated steel, vaporized body parts etc. You think that's what caused the damage to the cars? In the case of the WTC, gases and cement dust.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#90. To: FormerLurker (#87) (Edited)
Thank you, but I am aware of what it is...... My question is how could it have done that to those cars? pyroclastic flow vid
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#91. To: FormerLurker (#84)
I had a feeling it always has been since they like to mix the truth with things that they have no way of knowing and/or have very little chance of being accurate. You can still get good info there, but you just have to be double and triple verify what they are saying. It didn't used to be. I may have to reevaluate that view.
God is always good!
#92. To: wudidiz (#88)
My "EDITED VERSION"? I was talking to YOU directly, and repeating what you had just posted, using slightly different wording. Fact is, neutron bombs were designed to kill people with radiation, they weren't designed to damage buildings, in fact, they were designed to NOT cause damage to buildings if used as intended. There is considerably less blast effect from a neutron bomb compared to a standard nuclear bomb of the same yield, BY DESIGN, since much of the released energy is in the form of radiation rather than heat and blast. That might be difficult for you to comprehend, should I try to explain it to you? You can argue about the meaning of words all you want, what it comes down to is that some shmuck stuck the word neutron in front of the word bomb and apparently it's impressed a whole bunch of uneducated people when it comes to 9/11. A neutron bomb would NOT perform better, work more candidly, or provide any advantage whatsoever over a standard nuclear device, if the purpose was to DESTROY A BUILDING. It would take a HIGHER yield neutron bomb to cause the same amount of damage as a lesser yield standard nuclear device, it'd be DIRTIER (kill many people in surrounding buildings instantly with intense radiation), the flash most likely would have been quite noticable, and the towers would have exploded from the point of detonation, not collapsed from the top down.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#93. To: All (#91)
You guys might live on the West coast but I live on the East coast and it is way past my bedtime so I will hopefully talk with you tomorrow.
God is always good!
#94. To: wudidiz (#90)
Did you bother reading what a pyroclastic flow is? It's superheated gas and in the case of the WTC, dust. Superheated means it's VERY HOT wud. The temperature of a pyroclastic flow is stated to be 1,830 degrees F. That's VERY HOT wud, hot enough to burn a few cars. My question is how could it have done that to those cars?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: FormerLurker (#82) (Edited)
You: NO explosive damage? I'm sorry you're full of shit. Hey troll, your pal wudidiz posted the following statement in post 2, which was the post I was responding to. "...the intended use for the neutron bomb was to detonate it a mile up and in a battlefield area. A 1 kiloton device would fry most of the soldiers within 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile radius. Most structures would be unharmed in this scenario which is why the neutron bomb has been described as a weapon that kills people but spares buildings. There is no lingering radioactivity so the area will be inhabitable almost immediately after the blast is over. There is a blast of radiation then that’s pretty much it. " What it comes down to is that the neutron bomb is designed to NOT CAUSE DAMAGE TO BUILDINGS, but to KILL PEOPLE WITH RADIATION. Do you understand that, or is that too complicated for you? WTF?!?!? I do not give a shit if Wudidiz was incorrect. My corrections of your notion that the neutron bomb does indeed explode.... that it is indeed a fusion / fission reaction.... no wait... wait a minute I forgot you have no idea what a neutron bomb is or how nuclear reaction works. you can not follow this, I'm sorry you have no idea what a neutron bomb is I really am. For the record I really am unsure one way or the other and I am gonna have to look at what has been presented in further detail to gain a understanding and with more knowledge then I'll make up my mind..... You should do the same lurker. Instead of lashing out with lies and online disinformation tactics. #3. To: wudidiz (#2) neutron bombs are designed to release lethal radiation, but inflict no explosive damage to structures.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#96. To: FormerLurker (#92)
Yeah, your edited version. You, in your own post, took the description of neutron bomb from "Most structures would be unharmed in this scenario" to "designed to NOT CAUSE DAMAGE TO BUILDINGS". You can't just change the facts to suit your prescribed explanation. Not in the real world. My "EDITED VERSION"?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#97. To: FormerLurker (#94) (Edited)
Wowsers. How do you suppose all that pulverized concrete got so hot? Did you bother reading what a pyroclastic flow is? It's superheated gas and in the case of the WTC, dust. Superheated means it's VERY HOT wud. The temperature of a pyroclastic flow is stated to be 1,830 degrees F. That's VERY HOT wud, hot enough to burn a few cars.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#98. To: RickyJ (#93)
I'm up at odd hours sometimes, I'm a bit of an insomniac. It's time for me to hit the sack too though, catch you tomorrow. You guys might live on the West coast but I live on the East coast and it is way past my bedtime so I will hopefully talk with you tomorrow.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#99. To: FormerLurker (#94) (Edited)
Oh... I'm sorry... did the magical jet fuel retain that temperature of 1830 or was their just pounds and pounds of thermite still burning like napalm , so much that it floated in the dust into those cars......... sometimes selectively.... like your logic? The temperature of a pyroclastic flow is stated to be 1,830 degrees F. That's VERY HOT
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#100. To: wudidiz (#97)
I could find several lengthy scientic treatises on it if I looked, but let me try to make it simple. Part of the energy released by the explosions, as well as the collapse itself, was in the form of heat, which superheated the molecules of the air and the dust. Look up controlled demolitions, you see other examples of pyroclastic flows. How do you supposed all that pulverized concrete got so hot?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#101. To: RickyJ (#91)
WTF are you talking about you little shit head? I am not the fucker lying here shitty little asshole. I had a feeling it always has been since they like to mix the truth with things that they have no way of knowing and/or have very little chance of being accurate. You can still get good info there, but you just have to be double and triple verify what they are saying.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#102. To: FormerLurker (#100) (Edited)
You know lurker, I don't see why it matters any more. You are a lying piece of trash. Post three contradicts post 40 both are your posts and you refuse to own up to it and you refuse to atone for it... Fuck you lying piece of trash. You're a dirty jew liar. Lurker.... LaHaye and Jenkins wrote about people like you... in their "left Behind" books..... anti christ types that could do one thing in front of some folk and insist that they believe another thing... regardless of the transactions before their eyes. so again fuck you lurker. fuck you,.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#103. To: titorite (#99)
Hey shill, your Israeli comrades placed EXPLOSIVES in the WTC, which were DETONATED sequentially in order to collapse the floors at the precise time necessary to create a top down controlled demolition. As far as the temperature of a pyroclastic flow, click the link I provided earlier you stupid lazy bastard. Oh... I'm sorry... did the magical jet fuel retain that temperature of 1830 or was their just pounds and pounds of thermite still burning like napalm , so much that it floated in the dust into those cars......... sometimes selectively.... like your logic?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#104. To: FormerLurker (#103)
You know lurker, I don't see why it matters any more. You are a lying piece of trash. Post three contradicts post 40 both are your posts and you refuse to own up to it and you refuse to atone for it... Fuck you lying piece of trash. You're a dirty jew liar. Lurker.... LaHaye and Jenkins wrote about people like you... in their "left Behind" books..... anti christ types that could do one thing in front of some folk and insist that they believe another thing... regardless of the transactions before their eyes. so again fuck you lurker. fuck you,.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#105. To: titorite (#102)
You're a real tough guy on the Internet aren't you. Did daddy molest you when you were a wee lad, causing you to feel so fucked up today you have to show how big and bad you are on a public forum by talking like a gang banger? A bet in real life you're a pathetic little pussy. One who dares not say boo to anyone for fear he'd get his ass kicked to high heaven. Big bad Internet warrior, one who works for or assists those who pulled off 9/11. I guess that makes you an agent of the Mossad.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#106. To: titorite (#104)
Yeah, you're a real "christian" aren't you. I'm sure you'll be burning in whatever hell there is. Treasonous, lying, pathetic little fucking weasle.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#107. To: FormerLurker (#105)
I can not make myself more clear You know lurker, I don't see why it matters any more. You are a lying piece of trash. Post three contradicts post 40 both are your posts and you refuse to own up to it and you refuse to atone for it... Fuck you lying piece of trash. You're a dirty jew liar. Lurker.... LaHaye and Jenkins wrote about people like you... in their "left Behind" books..... anti christ types that could do one thing in front of some folk and insist that they believe another thing... regardless of the transactions before their eyes. so again fuck you lurker. fuck you,.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#108. To: titorite (#107)
I lean towards Buddhism you fucking retard, not Judaism. Your masters must be Jewish though since you are assisting the Mossad cover up their crimes, and attacking those who have been uncovering hard evidence concerning 9/11. But as far as religion, I was born and raised Roman Catholic. People such as you, who CLAIM to be holy rolling "christians", have opened my eyes as to what "christians" are all about, a good number of them at least. So no, fuck YOU.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#109. To: FormerLurker (#108)
It does not matter post 3 contradicts post 40 both are you're posts and you refuse to fess up to it you refuse to own up for it you refuse to atone for it. I really really can not make myself any more clear for you. Though I may try. You know lurker, I don't see why it matters any more. You are a lying piece of trash. Post three contradicts post 40 both are your posts and you refuse to own up to it and you refuse to atone for it... Fuck you lying piece of trash. You're a dirty jew liar. Lurker.... LaHaye and Jenkins wrote about people like you... in their "left Behind" books..... anti christ types that could do one thing in front of some folk and insist that they believe another thing... regardless of the transactions before their eyes. so again fuck you lurker. fuck you,.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#110. To: titorite (#109)
So who are you on LP? GrandIsland? ByteShredder perhaps?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#111. To: FormerLurker (#110)
I don't go to LP you little lying shit... ewwwwww the thought is fucking revolting..... man... if you could of seen my face at that revulsion.... just fucking eww nmo NO man Fuck you You know lurker, I don't see why it matters any more. You are a lying piece of trash. Post three contradicts post 40 both are your posts and you refuse to own up to it and you refuse to atone for it... Fuck you lying piece of trash. You're a dirty jew liar. Lurker.... LaHaye and Jenkins wrote about people like you... in their "left Behind" books..... anti christ types that could do one thing in front of some folk and insist that they believe another thing... regardless of the transactions before their eyes. so again fuck you lurker. fuck you,.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#112. To: titorite (#111)
Nice cutting and pasting the same list of lies and obscenities. I guess it's official, you are determined to trash each and every 9/11 thread where people actually post anything meaningful or have civil discussions. You sir are a fucking shill, of that I am certain. If I'm wrong, you would have to be one super fucking idiot to believe as you do. Acting as you do indicates you have more than one screw loose, you are probably some sick bastard who beats his wife in front of the kids.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#113. To: FormerLurker (#112)
IF I repeat myself I apologize but I do not see what else there is more to say. You're a dirty lair. You have lied before in these matters and you're doing so here again and so I really don't see what else their is more to say.... You know lurker, I don't see why it matters any more. You are a lying piece of trash. Post three contradicts post 40 both are your posts and you refuse to own up to it and you refuse to atone for it... Fuck you lying piece of trash. You're a dirty jew liar. Lurker.... LaHaye and Jenkins wrote about people like you... in their "left Behind" books..... anti christ types that could do one thing in front of some folk and insist that they believe another thing... regardless of the transactions before their eyes. so again fuck you lurker. fuck you,.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#114. To: FormerLurker (#15)
I recall that there were reports of explosions inside the Twin Towers before they fell. This would be proof enough IF we could get the recordings on the NYFD radio freqs. Likely, however that we never will. Also, Neil Bush was in charge of security at the Towers before they were hit by the planes. I do not have to tell you to whom he is related. ;) A more exotic weapon, using some cleaner form of energy which could be transferred upwards and downwards, would be more probable than any standard type of device, IF there was any sort of exotic weaponry used at all.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#115. To: BTP Holdings (#114)
All evidence points to controlled demolitions, ie. C4 cutting charges placed at strategic locations, detonated sequentially downwards from upper to lower floors to cause the upper floors to collapse at near free fall speed. A nuke would not be necessary to perform such a task, nor would it have served the purpose any better than C4 charges, since it would have been a single burst and more than likely would have been quite obvious.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#116. To: BTP Holdings (#114)
I think hose explosions your referencing would of been at the base. Some news video footage has that sound. If I recall correctly the Tube with in a tube design was very good ... it held itself up. To demolish it was three stage process ... meaning to bring it down into its foot print one had to bring her down in three parts , the top, middle, and bottom. To assure a good free fall into a foot print and prevent any part of it from holding itself up , the base has/ had to be blown up first. The concrete steel centre column that ran the elevators... that was the inner tube that supported the outter tube of steel skirting. Getting rid of the base is step one. I recall that there were reports of explosions inside the Twin Towers before they fell. This would be proof enough IF we could get the recordings on the NYFD radio freqs. Likely, however that we never will. Also, Neil Bush was in charge of security at the Towers before they were hit by the planes. I do not have to tell you to whom he is related. ;)
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#117. To: titorite, BTP Holdings (#116)
To assure a good free fall into a foot print and prevent any part of it from holding itself up , the base has/ had to be blown up first. There are more than a few videos which show a sequential series of squibs visible in floors several below the point of collapse. It was a controlled series of cutting charges that destroyed the supports below the collapsing floors, which allowed minimal resistance to the collapsing upper structure. Each floor would thus be pulverized by the upper mass as it descended at near free fall speed. And that is exactly what was observed. If I recall correctly the Tube with in a tube design was very good ... it held itself up. To demolish it was three stage process ... meaning to bring it down into its foot print one had to bring her down in three parts , the top, middle, and bottom.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#118. To: FormerLurker (#117) (Edited)
It was a controlled series of cutting charges that destroyed the supports below the collapsing floors, which allowed minimal resistance to the collapsing upper structure. Each floor would thus be pulverized by the upper mass as it descended at near free fall speed. And that is exactly what was observed. Thank you harly davidson man. I guess since you know it all their is nothing for you to learn about in this thread. Have a good day then. Anyways , with a super scraper , after you have unhinged the base you blow the top , then middle, then bottom again this time the outter skirting . as for why everything atomized? I lean towards DEW weapons.... cause like I said before... they did not just want to blow up the building but destruction of the evidence was a very high priority too. There are more than a few videos which show a sequential series of squibs visible in floors several below the point of collapse.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#119. To: titorite (#118)
Yeah, now you're an expert on demolitions. Who taught you, some guy on the Internet whom you blindly believe, or are those your own delusions speaking? No "super scraper" had ever been demolished before. So YOU don't know what YOU or anyone else would do, you're simply peddling a story you can't even fully understand. What IS obvious is that the structure collapsed at near free fall speed from top to bottom. There was no overall collapse of huge sections as you describe. Anyways , with a super scraper , after you have unhinged the base you blow the top , then middle, then bottom again this time the outter skirting
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#120. To: FormerLurker (#119) (Edited)
Well I am self educated on these matters. And I understand that Neutron Bombs do indeed have explosive nuclear properties. ... The size and scope varies. You know lurker, I don't see why it matters any more. You are a lying piece of trash. Post three contradicts post 40 both are your posts and you refuse to own up to it and you refuse to atone for it... Fuck you lying piece of trash. You're a dirty jew liar. Lurker.... LaHaye and Jenkins wrote about people like you... in their "left Behind" books..... anti christ types that could do one thing in front of some folk and insist that they believe another thing... regardless of the transactions before their eyes. All anyone has to do is watch the towers go in slow motion to see it in action from the top down. The top section is done first.... then the middle section begins... and so on.... IF you learned a bit more about the twin towers you may of known that they were built with their demolition in mind as almost all the modern sky scrapers are. If you cared more about this you would of known that was the plan on the inevitable day of that eventuality. It pays to 'educate yo self fo'. Yeah, now you're an expert on demolitions.
What IS obvious is that the structure collapsed at near free fall speed from top to bottom. There was no overall collapse of huge sections as you describe.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#121. To: titorite (#120)
Yeah, it's obvious you've learned everything you know from comic books and cartoons. You are so full of shit you're floating in it. You're great at acting like a total asshole, but you display very little if anything in the way of knowledge of what an 8 year old kid might dream up. Grow up, and stop acting like trash you foul mouthed loser. Well I am self educated on these matters.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#122. To: FormerLurker (#121)
If you do not like me calling attention to your lie in post 40 about what you said in post 3 then maybe you should not of lied in the first place. At a bare minimum you could fess up and own it.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#123. To: titorite (#122)
Hey idiot, what don't you understand about plain simple English? I said that neutron bombs were DESIGNED not to inflict damage to structures, but to KILL people with RADIATION. In other words, they exist to kill people, not to cause explosive damage. STANDARD nuclear devices are DESIGNED to not only kill people, but to cause the most damage possible. Of COURSE they explode you fucking idiot.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#124. To: titorite (#122)
BTW shill, can you now tell me what the difference is between primary and secondary radar? Remember you claimed to not only know all about FAA radar, but that you knew for a FACT that there was NO possible way for planes to get "lost" on radar back in 2001, and that there was "100% coverage" across the US. I KNOW you are a lying sack of shit and that you'll tap dance around the question for all of eternity, and that's why I don't expect a valid answer from you. Just figured I'd ask.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#125. To: FormerLurker (#123)
NOOOOOO YOu said in post three I assure you that they can do explosive damage to structures.... that is why I corrected you... to which you say you never needed correcting because you never said that in the first place but I assure you the quote is genuine and unaltered and your original words as can be found at the top. Why you lying bro? Why you lying? neutron bombs are designed to release lethal radiation, but inflict no explosive damage to structures.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#126. To: FormerLurker (#124)
I KNOW you are a lying sack of shit and that you'll tap dance around the question for all of eternity, and that's why I don't expect a valid answer from you. Just figured I'd ask. IN case you forgot I conceded that I did not know as much about the radar system as you do Lurker. That I Could not find the material I wanted to reference ergo I was incapable of showing myself correct. YOu more than showed that in that matter you were correct. Their was no lie. I owned up to my mistake. I could still swear you are wrong in that regard but I can not prove myself correct. And you can prove your self correct in the regards of the radar thing... You have lied. Foully and purposefully. You do continue to attempt to deceive folks even now. I wish you would just admit that you said what you said thats all... you said that.. you were wrong about it... thats cool... it's ok to be wrong... but just fess up and own it. already. BTW shill, can you now tell me what the difference is between primary and secondary radar? Remember you claimed to not only know all about FAA radar, but that you knew for a FACT that there was NO possible way for planes to get "lost" on radar back in 2001, and that there was "100% coverage" across the US.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#127. To: titorite (#125)
What is it about that you fail to understand? I said that they are DESIGNED to release lethal radiation, but inflict no explosive damage to structures. Do you know what the word DESIGNED means? It means engineering an end result, ie. the highly elevated levels of radiation is a means of accomplishing the end result, where the explosive blast and heat of the detonation is greatly diminished, as it was not DESIGNED to cause explosive damage. The end result is a weapon which can be detonated above a battlefield, and induce instant death by lethal radiation, while causing little or no damage to structures. Is it THAT hard for you understand that? neutron bombs are designed to release lethal radiation, but inflict no explosive damage to structures
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#128. To: titorite (#126)
You were stomping your feet like a spoiled little bastard that you KNEW for a fact there was absolute 100% radar coverage of the US, and insisted that it would have been impossible to switch aircraft on 9/11. You've never admitted you were wrong about that.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#129. To: FormerLurker (#127)
But they do inflict explosive damage. I thought you already accepted that. I mean we are talking about a nuclear reaction here..... Their is an explosion. I said that they are DESIGNED to release lethal radiation, but inflict no explosive damage to structures.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#130. To: FormerLurker (#128)
From what I know radar coverage is not total, but maybe 85% from some maps I came across from. FL is this correct in your POV? fact there was absolute 100% radar coverage of the US, and insisted that it would have been impossible to switch aircraft on 9/11.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#131. To: FormerLurker (#100)
Bullshit. Only a volcano or a nuke would make pyroclastic flow that would burn the rubber off one of the tires of a car and leave the paint intact on the rest of it. IF that's what did it. I doubt it. Part of the energy released by the explosions, as well as the collapse itself, was in the form of heat, which superheated the molecules of the air and the dust.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#132. To: All, *9-11* (#131)
The spires disintegrating. Several different angles:
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#133. To: tom007 (#130)
FL is this correct in your POV? I don't know what the percentage of coverage is today, but back in 2001 there were some gaps in primary coverage. Specifically, there were gaps in the areas of where the hijacked aircraft were flying with their transponders turned off. I think I posted a map of where those areas were in a previous thread. I'll try to look it up later today. From what I know radar coverage is not total, but maybe 85% from some maps I came across from.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#134. To: wudidiz (#131)
Yeah ok wud. So you're another one of those Internet science experts, eh? Tell me this. What makes a pyroclastic flow hot? Bullshit. Only a volcano or a nuke would make pyroclastic flow that would burn the rubber off one of the tires of a car and leave the paint intact on the rest of it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#135. To: titorite (#129)
Not if used as intended. They are designed to do little or no damage to structures if detonated in the air high over a battlefield. They are not designed to be used as explosives, although they DO explode. However, there would be no advantage in using a neutron bomb to bring down a structure over a standard nuclear device, as it'd need a higher yield of released energy in order to produce as much explosive force as a much smaller yield standard nuclear device. In a neutron bomb a much larger percentage of the total energy is delivered as radiation, whereas a standard nuclear device produces a much greater explosive force and much lower radiation. But they do inflict explosive damage.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#136. To: FormerLurker (#134)
I dunno... heat? Okay, now you tell me this. Why do you suppose the pyroclastic flow melted one or some of the tires off of vehicles around the wtc, leaving auto paint like new, but not harming any of the skin on the thousands of people caught in the dust cloud? Your turn. Tell me this. What makes a pyroclastic flow hot?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#137. To: wudidiz (#136) (Edited)
How do you think a nuke would only burn tires off and not the rest of the car, and not outright kill with radiation the thousands of people caught in the dust cloud? If you had done any reading at all on the topic, pyroclastic flows have fluid like characteristics and follow gravitational paths just like water would. The bottom of the flow, ie. that part which is closest to the ground, is the hottest. Look it up, find out for yourself. Do you even care about the truth anymore? Why do you suppose the pyroclastic flow melted one or some of the tires off of vehicles around the wtc, leaving auto paint like new, but not harming any of the skin on the thousands of people caught in the dust cloud?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#138. To: FormerLurker (#137)
Of course I do. Fortunately I'm not too stupid to think that the pyroclastic cloud on 9/11 was the same as that of a freekin VOLCANO. Remember it's not made of molten rock. It's not as hot.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#139. To: FormerLurker (#134)
The Hot gases [varying density]... and micron size and upward matrix give it a fluidic abilityTell me this. What makes a pyroclastic flow hot?
add to this....it can be highly elctromagnetically charged.
So its conductive....like a Plasma.
If you factor in nano thermate/thermite,...its going to be very hot.
#140. To: Parrot with speed dial (#139)
Not hot enough to burn anyone's skin.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#141. To: wudidiz (#138)
Unfortunately for yourself, a volcano is not the ONLY way a pyroclastic flow can be created. Even if it wasn't quite AS hot as that from a volcano, the very nature of a pyroclastic flow makes it HOT ENOUGH to do the damage you call attention to. Fortunately I'm not too stupid to think that the pyroclastic cloud on 9/11 was the same as that of a freekin VOLCANO.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#142. To: wudidiz, Parrot with speed dial (#140)
Says who? You? Please show me any sort of valid scientific reference which states some pyroclastic flows can be cool enough not to burn someone's skin. Not hot enough to burn anyone's skin.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#143. To: wudidiz (#140)
I have no problem with a termite pyroclastic cloud... so long as it burns everything reletivly evenly with the majority of the burn damage being closer to the center of the event and alot alot less as we get further away from ground zero. BUt that is not what we see..... we see half melted cars blocks away no where near ground zero. warpped and twisted metal with no cloud dust on them... Clean cars otherwise.... save for all the melting....outside the cloud zone Soooo... I have given thought to that cloud being super heated. It is totally plausible.... till I remember those half melted cars.. on the other side of the island
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#144. To: FormerLurker (#117)
Each floor would thus be pulverized by the upper mass as it descended at near free fall speed. And that is exactly what was observed. You're right about this, FL. There were no mini-nukes or other types of exotic explosives. ;) It was a controlled series of cutting charges that destroyed the supports below the collapsing floors, which allowed minimal resistance to the collapsing upper structure.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#145. To: titorite (#143)
This is all kind of fuzzy to me with the meningitis and all. I just can't imagine that there were any exotic exposive devices at ground zero. Soooo... I have given thought to that cloud being super heated. It is totally plausible.... till I remember those half melted cars.. on the other side of the island
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#146. To: FormerLurker (#142)
Hey buddy, why are you shitting on truthers? We just want to have a conversation about 911 with out your lying disruptive ass. You know lurker, I don't see why it matters any more. You are a lying piece of trash. Post three contradicts post 40 both are your posts and you refuse to own up to it and you refuse to atone for it... Fuck you lying piece of trash. You're a dirty jew liar. Lurker.... LaHaye and Jenkins wrote about people like you... in their "left Behind" books..... anti christ types that could do one thing in front of some folk and insist that they believe another thing... regardless of the transactions before their eyes. But that will never stand. I will point out your lies until you admit to them.... it is one thing to be mistaken with no ill intent. BUT YOU LURKER LIE LIKE A JEWISH CHILD WITH PURPOSE AND ILL INTENT! So fuck you scum bag , you have nothing to offer the truth movement until you learn how to be honest yourself Lurker. Says who? You? Please show me any sort of valid scientific reference which states some pyroclastic flows can be cool enough not to burn someone's skin.
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#147. To: BTP Holdings (#145) (Edited)
meh, I am unsure myself, but I have no problem discussing it in a civil manner with out swearing at polite honest folks such as yourself and most all the others here. My apologies for swearing at the disruptors. Anyways.... It sounds incorrect to me, a micro neutron bomb.... but one does still need to disconnect the base but that does not have to be accomplished via nuclear devices like a neutron bomb. I just can't imagine that there were any exotic exposive devices at ground zero.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#148. To: titorite (#147)
Cutting charges placed on the columns would do the trick. Now, I believe that Neal Bush was in charge of security at the Twin Towers before the planes hit. You know to whom he is related? Right, the Bush dynasty. BTW, I have a book from an old friend who has now passed away titled, "The Bush, Cheney, Clinton Crime Cartels Chaotic Crisis". It sounds incorrect to me micro neutron.... but one does still need to disconnect the base but that does not have to be accomplished via nuclear devices like a neutron bomb.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#149. To: BTP Holdings (#148)
The bottom though... ... I mean.. it abosolutly had to be brought down in a certain manner to ensure it comes down. It could of all been done relativly conventionally... but things like evaporating spires strongly suggest otherwise... in my opinion.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#150. To: titorite (#149)
I really do not know what you mean here. I've been out of action for quite some time with the meningitis. things like evaporating spires
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#151. To: BTP Holdings (#150)
freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=150808 Wudidiz posted a thread on it. As the building fell one portion was left. A spire. It stood tall for a few seconds... then it kinda slips down then the entire definable last bit "magicaly" (science) turns into dust. it is quite a thing to see. hit the link and see what I mean. I really do not know what you mean here. I've been out of action for quite some time with the meningitis.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#152. To: Shoonra (#44)
This statement therein isn't so conclusive: Used your reference here, mainly for the numerous news sources: The story about a truck full of explosives on the George Washington Bridge ... and the Israeli connection to it ... seems to be a fiction.
It's also conceivable that there were two vans, in which case it could be argued that [NYC Police Commissioner] Kerik's denial of explosives referred to the second, at George Washington bridge
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#153. To: titorite, *9-11* (#146) (Edited)
You're a dirty jew liar. You have issues you little twat. I love how you act so "freedom loving" on other threads, yet behave like a government stooge on these 9/11 threads. You are obviously SOME sort of paid shill, whether your employer is US, EU, or Israeli, it doesn't matter. You have targetted me as I'm one who's been posting factual information concerning 9/11, and have tried to show how various disinformation tales are exactly what they are, such as your no planes bullshit, and now neutron bombs blowing up in Manhatten. Either you are one serious dumb fuck, or you're a paid shill. There is no other explanation for your behavior here. Fuck you lying piece of trash.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#154. To: titorite, Lod, RickyJ, tom007 (#146) (Edited)
You are a real piece of work. YOU are NOT a "truther", you are most obviously a disinformationalist who PRETENDS he's a "truther" to gullible fools, and who ATTACKS those who DO post factual and scientific information regarding 9/11. I've been on the side of truth long enough for people to know what I'm all about. YOU on the other hand have earned yourself a reputation as not only a foul mouthed loose cannon, but one who jumps down people's throats because they don't believe or accept your lies. You have also been trying to intice people into some sort of unspecified "action", oftentimes apparently violent action. It would not surprise me in the least if you work for the FBI or Homeland Security, and are trying to find some suckers to bring down as "domestic terrorists". Hey buddy, why are you shitting on truthers?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#155. To: FormerLurker, Lod, titorite, christine (#154)
It's impressive - the lengths you will go to attempting to win an argument. It doesn't go unnoticed. But it's all a diversion tactic. You're full of shit. Show me one piece of evidence that the pyroclastic flow at the wtc was hot? Anything? You can't because there isn't any. Just admit you're wrong. Just admit that you have no explanation at all for why the rubber was burnt off the tires. It'd be a lot more noble and honorable than the smoke and mirrors show you've thrown up in a vain attempt to fool anyone. titorite has not said once that there were neutron bombs in Manhattan. And why do you keep pinging Lod?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#156. To: FormerLurker (#155) (Edited)
Can you help me to understand how you figure these folks emerged undamaged by your 1800 degrees hot pyroclastic flow? Huh? Are you fuckin nuts? 
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#157. To: wudidiz (#155)
Apparently speaking to you in a civil manner is in your mind, going to "impressive lengths to win an argument". Perhaps if I called you fucking jew piece of trash, like your boyfriend titorite likes to say here, it'd be more acceptable to you? It's impressive - the lengths you will go to attempting to win an argument.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#158. To: FormerLurker (#157)
Show me one piece of evidence that the pyroclastic flow at the wtc was hot? focus
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#159. To: wudidiz (#158)
You tell me what YOU think burnt those cars.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#160. To: FormerLurker (#159)
I believe the man was asking for YOUR two cents if you have any to add. You tell me what YOU think burnt those cars.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#161. To: titorite (#160)
I believe nobody was talking to you or asking you your opinion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#162. To: FormerLurker (#161)
I have no clue what you're high on but if that is what you pass for sarcasm you should lay off the booze because you're only impressing yourself. Whats the matter? Can't you play this game with out resorting to the foul tactics? It was a simple question even I could follow it. Since the pyroclastic dust can cling to peoples faces with out burning off their faces then obviously that is not super heated dust. Their can be no doubt. So what do you think melted the car tires Lurker? I believe nobody was talking to you or asking you your opinion.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#163. To: titorite (#162)
Since you wish to butt into the converstation, let me ask YOU, what do YOU think caused those car's lower sections to burn?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#164. To: FormerLurker (#163) (Edited)
Jesus H fucking Christ. Who but a saint would not be Extremely frustrated with you Former Lurker.? NOW now you're trying to say I have not been part of this conversation but rather you think I am "butting in" ... And even with letting go of all that .... please remember to FOCUS The question has been directed at you twice Lurker. The super heated dust cloud that lands on peoples faces just fine ..... well it could not of been super heated now could it? IT did not burn people , it did not burn trees, it did not burn paper...no... that cloud was not 1800 degrees hot... So what in your hypothesis could of caused the cars tires to melt/burn like that ??? Since you wish to butt into the converstation, let me ask YOU, what do YOU think caused those car's lower sections to burn?
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#165. To: FormerLurker (#163)
What the hell did this?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#166. To: titorite, wudidiz (#164)
What do YOU both think caused it? An angry arab with a box cutter? So what in your hypothesis could of caused the cars tires to melt/burn like that ???
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#167. To: FormerLurker (#166)
Exotic weaponry.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#168. To: FormerLurker (#166)
I think Wudidiz let you off the hook too easily. Any intelligent human can answer a simple question. This constant turn about is what disinformationalists do. Both he and I had a very spesific question in light of certain evidence. That dust was not hot enough to burn skin,wood,or paper yet we have these half melted cars and what not.. If it was not the pyroclastic cloud then what lurker, in your opinion could of caused the damage? Instead of playing the game and giving another question for a question how about this time you give your opinion in regards to the most recent question that has been asked of you multiple times. What do YOU both think caused it? An angry arab with a box cutter?
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#169. To: wudidiz (#167)
There is probably several types of directed energy weapons being used/applied in WTC 1/2 The Truth movement has given the Elite grief with its determination to refuse the Official Goob account and keep kicking over the tracesExotic weaponry.
To counter this....any number of COINTELPRO and other agents who work lines inside the Truth movement to create doubt,infighting and the hysterical reach.
which affords the label....CT'r Kook.
Anything to break up unity and force everyone into camps with named leaders.
Because it is difficult to parse out who is who,....wisdom says that will be revealed in time.
Someone taking talking points from the Elite and shoveling it on the net or radio will get outted eventually.
Some key on info they can obtain and then peddle Fear....to sell...and to cause divisions.
Pastor Lindsey Williams is one of these.....it never ends.....The Devils Messiah!
If someone is still hanging on after a disclosure like that,....they need to be slapped really hard for their own good.
There are entire Truth radio camps which speak against the others...because they have so and so on regular,....or they do not acknowledge Jesus as Lord,.....or they do not blame all on the Jews.
So ya...we are just screwed...and the bankers are running the table.
#170. To: Parrot with speed dial (#169)
It's pretty simple to tell who is who exactly. Those who launch insults, disrupt 9/11 threads, and attack those who simply report facts, are those who are COINTELPRO. It's been obvious since right after 9/11, where anything which deviated from the "offical story" was instantly attacked by some, while others were busy posting stories so ludricrous it drove away many. Take the no planes and neutron bomb stories for instance. There is absolutely NO basis in logical reasoning or fact involved, it's all pure speculation and fantasy, with little or no evidence to back it up. It keeps people from looking into the ACTUAL facts, such as Israeli involvement, arrests of Mossad operatives in New York and New Jersey the day of 9/11, and the impossibility of the towers falling without controlled demolition. Anything to break up unity and force everyone into camps with named leaders.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#171. To: titorite, wudidiz (#168)
Both he and you avoid the very direct question of what you both thought in regards to what caused those cars to burn. Let me tell you this. It was NOT the result of a neutron bomb. Did either of you finish school? If it had been a neutron bomb there would have been NO survivors, since they would have all been dead or dying from radiation poisoning. THAT is what a neutron bombs does, in case you missed the discussion. Furthermore, it would have been a matter of MANY things burning and/or turned to glass, not just cars having some scorch burns, and it wouldn't have resulted in a top down collapse of the towers, it would have burst outwards from the point of detonation and caused the entire top section to fall at once. Both he and I had a very spesific question in light of certain evidence.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#172. To: titorite (#168)
Oh, so again, what caused that to happen, since it wasn't a neutron bomb as that would have killed those people, and most certainly burn that wood and paper if it had been powerful enough to bring down the towers. That dust was not hot enough to burn skin,wood,or paper yet we have these half melted cars and what not..
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#173. To: wudidiz (#167)
Like what exactly wudidiz? Exotic weaponry.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#174. To: FormerLurker (#172)
Again you have answered the question indirectly with another counter question of your own totally ignoring the original question asked. The cars Wudidiz posted... What caused that damage? It was not the pyroclastic cloud . We can rule that out. Taking what we know can not be true and eliminating it from our realm of possibility what do you have left Lurker? What do you think caused the cars to melt and tires to burn while leaving paper, trees , and humans relatively unscathed? Multiple attempts have been made to civilly get your idea on this question. Please do not continue to give run around questions as responses but rather please answer the question as directly as you are able too. What do you think caused the car tires to burn and melt while leaving paper and trees relatively unscathed? Oh, so again, what caused that to happen, since it wasn't a neutron bomb as that would have killed those people, and most certainly burn that wood and paper if it had been powerful enough to bring down the towers.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
#175. To: titorite, wudidiz, *9-11* (#174)
Uh, no you can't. Just because SOME parts of the flow was not hot enough to burn paper doesn't mean ALL of it was cool. The ONLY thing visible in any pictures or video of the event is the pyroclastic flow. There is NO bright burst of light from the WTC, NO burst visible from the middle of the towers, and no large section of the towers falling at once towards the middle section. AND, if it HAD been a neutron bomb (a very poor choice since it releases so much radiation), there would have been at least SOME sections of the structure fused into glass, and there would have been MANY people dead from radiation. So at this point, all indications are such that the pyroclastic flow was responsible for that heat damage. There are MANY ways which the dust could have turned into a pyroclastic flow. The fact is that just the collapse alone would have generated a huge amount of heat energy. If there were explosives, they would have added to the total heat energy dispersed throughout the debris. And if there were nano-thermite located throughout the building, the debris would have reached intense heat levels, more than likely sufficient to turn the debris into a pyroclastic flow. Nano-thermite HAS been found in debris samples. It didn't get there by chance, luck, or accident. That is the best analysis possible with the available data. To jump to contrary conclusions, especially far fetched conclusions which contradict the available facts and evidence, does not achieve anything, especially when presented with expletives and personal attacks. It was not the pyroclastic cloud . We can rule that out.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#176. To: tom007, All (#133)
Tom, here's the info I had posted on a previous thread concerning the radar coverage. It's taken from post 281 of the "How 9/11 Was Done " thread From Plane Swap Over Pennsylvania Southwestern Pennsylvania is covered by a radar station near Clearfield, 100 miles northeast of Pittsburgh. The area lies clearly inside the orange circle, therefore a plane has to be below 5000 ft to avoid radar detection there. Due to the conic shape of the space covered by a radar station, the closer a plane is to the station, the lower it has to fly to be undetected by radar. 4000 ft seems to be a sufficiently accurate estimation for UA 93 when it disappeared from radar southeast of Pittsburgh. From what I know radar coverage is not total, but maybe 85% from some maps I came across from. FL is this correct in your POV?
For anyone interested, here's a primary radar coverage map of the US. Note the gaps in the New England area, as well as West Virginia.
Each radar station generates a wide conus where all airborne objects are detected. The diagram depicts a horizontal cut through all these conusses at 5000 ft. Everything being at 5000 ft outside the orange and purple areas is not visible on radar screens.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#177. To: FormerLurker (#175) (Edited)
The ONLY thing visible in any pictures or video of the event is the pyroclastic flow. There is NO bright burst of light from the WTC, NO burst visible from the middle of the towers, and no large section of the towers falling at once towards the middle section. AND, if it HAD been a neutron bomb (a very poor choice since it releases so much radiation), there would have been at least SOME sections of the structure fused into glass, and there would have been MANY people dead from radiation. So at this point, all indications are such that the pyroclastic flow was responsible for that heat damage. There are MANY ways which the dust could have turned into a pyroclastic flow. The fact is that just the collapse alone would have generated a huge amount of heat energy. If there were explosives, they would have added to the total heat energy dispersed throughout the debris. And if there were nano-thermite located throughout the building, the debris would have reached intense heat levels, more than likely sufficient to turn the debris into a pyroclastic flow. Nano-thermite HAS been found in debris samples. It didn't get there by chance, luck, or accident. That is the best analysis possible with the available data. To jump to contrary conclusions, especially far fetched conclusions which contradict the available facts and evidence, does not achieve anything, especially when presented with expletives and personal attacks. OK I am gonna break this down quote by quote so try and keep up. Just because SOME parts of the flow was not hot enough to burn paper doesn't mean ALL of it was cool. This is some "Alice in Wonderland" Logic. The cloud man not all be cool to the touch but none of it was hot enough to burn paper or more to the point: If you want your magic powder to float on top of those cars and spaces I will not say that in and itself is impossible BUT what I will say is impossible is that magical 1800 degree dust making it's way all the way to the various cars and damage zones without burning anything else in it's windy path Also if magic hot dust is responsible then shouldn't the burn patterns match wind swept dusting? And most importantly since more than one singular method of destruction was employed on that day I have no problem considering the presence of thermite being a possibility. Keep in mind , my "consideration" should in no way imply "conviction". The ONLY thing visible in any pictures or video of the event is the pyroclastic flow. Why that is not true at all sir. What a gross over simplification. After all Part of this pyroclastic cloud would of been a steel spire that turned into dust on film. What makes steel turn into dust?... And the Directions of the dust. Shadowing, angles, re-used actors, inconsistency!! SO VERY MUCH TO SEE... if you can pay enough attention. There is NO bright burst of light from the WTC, NO burst visible from the middle of the towers, and no large section of the towers falling at once towards the middle section. I have never observed any bright flashes of light resembling a nuclear flash in any of the WTC footage. AS FOR LARGE SECTIONS OF TOWERS GOING DOWN SECTIONS AT A TIME..... That is EXACTLY what happened. Anyone can watch it in slo mo or frame by frame. It is a Top down destruction. Section at a time as it was designed to be done... just not in the conventional manner originally suggested. AND, if it HAD been a neutron bomb (a very poor choice since it releases so much radiation), there would have been at least SOME sections of the structure fused into glass, and there would have been MANY people dead from radiation. Immaterial, they were all already dead anyways. Besides maybe these are micro neutron bombs that can release their excess energy in a directional manner? ........ although this really does not sound plausible to me. So at this point, all indications are such that the pyroclastic flow was responsible for that heat damage. You mean the heat damage to the cars and tires I presume. Well, truth be told not all indicators point to that cloud being a super heated monster. IN FACT several indicators would suggest it was not hot enough to burn the surrounding buildings , streets, people, paper, or the cameras recording the pyroclastic event as they got engulfed in it,. There are MANY ways which the dust could have turned into a pyroclastic flow. The fact is that just the collapse alone would have generated a huge amount of heat energy. If there were explosives, they would have added to the total heat energy dispersed throughout the debris. And if there were nano-thermite located throughout the building, the debris would have reached intense heat levels, more than likely sufficient to turn the debris into a pyroclastic flow. Nano-thermite HAS been found in debris samples. It didn't get there by chance, luck, or accident. I don't discount it out of hand, some might but I think the alleged presence of nano thermite bears some merit of consideration . ...Thaaaaat Said.... I have to reiterate}: If the dust was full of 1000c+ particles and those particles floated , still very hot onto them cars and tires and such ,with out burning trees or paper, ..... thats is a problem. The complete lack of a burn path of dust leading to the damage. ..... In conclusion this ^^ direct answer to the question: What do you Lurker, think accounts for the inexplicable damage to the cars and collateral surroundings? .....Or more reasonable and succinctly and quotably put So what in your hypothesis could of caused the cars tires to melt/burn like that ??? Correct me if I am wrong but if I understand you correctly , You think the Nano dust did it regardless of the impossible inconsistencies in the selective burning. I do not believe Super heated Dust floated from ground zero and selectively burned particular portions of motor vehicles. That is the best analysis possible with the available data. In your opinion. You are entitled to your opinions just as I am entitled to my own and the government is not entitled to an opinion because it is a thing. I respect your differing opinion. To jump to contrary conclusions, especially far fetched conclusions which contradict the available facts and evidence, does not achieve anything, especially when presented with expletives and personal attacks. I am not against you. I am just not with you. I do not jump to any conclusions.My conclusions are slow and considered in my judgement. If my conclusion is contrary to yours then I beg your pardon because I only have an incomplete conclusion... which is really no conclusion at all is it. IT is an on going investigation. New things are learned... impossibilities swept aside and the truth is distilled bit by bit as best as can be managed. You wanna know what achieves nothing? Calling other people shills when their is a disagreement. And we disagree with you and many of your conclusions. Just because SOME parts of the flow was not hot enough to burn paper doesn't mean ALL of it was cool.
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#178. To: wudidiz, *9-11* (#0) (Edited)
Saw those initials defined somewhere on YouTube recently as Negligent Investigators Supporting Terror. Will take me some time to study the info on this subject. Random thoughts for now: Most of the people objecting to any attention being given to the possibility of 9/11 as a Manhattan Project II of sorts probably also object to not enough attention being given by the 9/11 Commission to what happened. Since the WTC is often called Ground Zero and Trinity Place as well as Trinity Church are named at times in commentaries of it, I think it should be noted that Trinity is the code name for the Manhattan Project's test that exposed Americans to after effects. Also there was something called the Port Chicago incident in California that some suspect was another example of Americans being subjected on purpose to such a blast. Have been wondering if any buildings near the WTC were sold leading up to 9/11 -- so as to get out of those properties in the area before risking damages when the Towers came down, rather like Zim Shipping broke its lease to leave its location at the WTC. If so, that might indicate some foreknowledge of the 9/11 disaster. Edited for spelling. NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology)
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#179. To: titorite (#61) (Edited)
And, iirc, those squibs were pointed out first by webfairy -- a No Planer. Long before Mr. Research "Synthesizer"/Plagiarist, Steven Jones showed up, anyway. Edited for spelling. Good lord I think I can tell you where those squibs are by heart. Thats how many times I have watched this. I know they are present. Thats part of the rub... They are present...
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#180. To: wudidiz, *9-11* (#167)
Am going to post two links and some excerpts on Christopher Bollyn's input as to the possible use of exotic weaponry on 9/11. An intriguing sidenote, imo, is that it is Russian in origin and Russians are recurring figures in the 9/11 scenarios: a Russian helicopter pilot; someone speaking in Russion searching at "Ground Zero" for somebody they knew; Russian "activity" over Alaska that caused some of our jets to scramble there that day. The Bollyn info also has details about plasma and force fields that might tie in to the pyroclastic dust clouds at the WTC. Israel and US Develop Infrared Beam Weapon The East German physicist told AFP, “From my experience as a physicist and research scientist with the GRU [Russia’s equivalent to the CIA] I have enough experience to judge that the WTC towers have been burning too quickly, too hot, and too completely to have been caused by the kerosene [jet fuel] fires that resulted from the crashes. Furthermore, the demolished buildings nearby [the 47- story Salomon Bros. Building] are an indication that there was a plasmoid cloud involved, which probably affected the buildings nearby.” [sic] In 1991, before the Soviet military withdrew from East Germany, the GRU demonstrated for the U.S. Air Force Electronic Security Command (AFESC) the capabilities of its infrared beam weapon by reducing a ceramic plate into dust from a distance of one mile. This display of Soviet weapon technology was meant to impress upon the U.S. Air Force “how a stealth bomber could be turned into dust in the same way,” the physicist said. The physicist placed a slightly warmed plate on the floor of a kitchen in an apartment on the fifth floor, just below the roof. GRU headquarters, where the infrared beam originated was less than one mile away on the other side of the valley and the second transmitter or reflector was 200 meters away, with no obstacles between. An infrared beam weapon requires two sources. The TV and the oven were turned on and the TV’s remote control was put in the refrigerator. The physicist left the room and watched the TV screen, which went black for a few seconds. The physicist left the apartment for a half hour to allow AFESC personnel to examine the results. The plate had been reduced to such tiny pieces that it was difficult to pick them up even with a vacuum cleaner, according to the physicist. “The plate was not destroyed suddenly as if hit by a bullet, rather it disintegrated in a process taking about 15 minutes.” Although such technology is not widely discussed in the West, the Soviet infrared beam weapon is nothing new and was used during a Soviet dispute with China in 1968 to destroy “a wall” at the Ussuri River, which separates Manchuria from Russia’s Far East, according to the physicist. Infrared light is heat producing and invisible and is found between visible light and microwave on the electromagnetic spectrum. Near infrared is closest to visible light and far or deep infrared is close to microwave. Far infrared waves are thermal and cause increased molecular vibrational activity. In other words, infrared radiation is heat. Laser Weapon There are indications, according to the physicist, that such a weapon was used when the KAL plane was shot down over Kamchatka in Sept. 1983. Since the early ’90s, this technology returned to scientific discussions in the West and the technology appears to have been transferred from the Soviet Union. Since 1995, the United States and Israel have actively developed an advanced infrared beam weapon under a joint “anti-missile” program known as the Tactical High-Energy Laser (THEL). The THEL is a mobile, high-energy laser weapon. Lasers are the leading edge of directed energy weapons. Laser weapons have been under active development for 20 years and easily constitute the most advanced of the directed-energy devices. In 1984, Jeff Hecht, author of Beam Weapons: The Next Arms Race, wrote, “The military ‘destructor beam’ definitely is in our future tactical arsenal.” The advanced technology and plasma physics involved in directed-energy weapons give them unprecedented lethal power. Among their more important features are: the ability to fire energy “bullets” at or near the speed of light; to redirect their fire toward multiple targets rapidly; their long range; and their ability to transmit lethal doses of energy in a fraction of a second. No conventional ammunition is required—only fuel for the power generator is needed. THEL is part of a joint program known as Nautilus, in which the U.S. Army and the Israeli Ministry of Defense (IMOD) have developed infrared laser weapon systems. The prime contractor, TRW Space and Electronics Group, has been involved in the development of high energy laser systems since the early 1970s. A host of Israeli engineers and companies are involved in the program including the aerospace companies Rafael, Israel Aircraft Industries, and Tadiran. THEL is a mobile system ostensibly designed to destroy rockets, such as the Russian-made Katyusha. The THEL employs the Mid-Infrared Advanced Chemical Laser (MIRACL). The MIRACL is a megawatt class, deuterium-fluoride chemical laser. The weapon’s systems can be transported in one or two shipping containers. The THEL successfully destroyed a short range rocket in flight on Feb. 9, 1996. As a result, the United States and Israel began joint development of a Tactical High Energy Laser/Rapid Acquisition Demonstrator (THEL/ RAD) system. In April 1996, President Bill Clinton and Secretary of Defense William Perry met Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres. The United States made a commitment to assist Israel in the development of a THEL Advanced Concept Technology Demonstrator (ACTD) laser by the end of 1998. Congress gave more than $55 million for THEL development in 1997. Expense to the U.S. taxpayer and U.S. national security are apparently not considerations at the political level when sharing the results of U.S. weapons development programs with Israel. Nautilus was offered to Israel in the form of a multimillion-dollar “research grant.” The funding for Nautilus research was part of a $2 billion military grants package Clinton offered to Peres. Israel’s access to real-time U.S. satellite imagery and at least $50 million for accelerated development of the “Nautilus” laser system were included in the Clinton package. “Our commitment to Israel’s security is unshakable and it will remain so because Israel must have the right to defend itself, by itself.” Clinton said while giving Israel an additional $200 million in U.S. taxpayer money above and beyond the “official” $5.5 billion figure. Described as the “the world’s first high-energy laser weapon system,” THEL Advanced Concept Technology Demonstrator (ACTD) reportedly shot down a rocket with a live warhead on June 6, 2000, at the Army’s High Energy Laser Systems Test Facility (HELSTF), White Sands Missile Range, N. M. The THEL-ACTD is a highly mobile “stand-alone defensive weapon system” unlike the earlier version. “We’ve just turned science fiction into reality,” said Lt. Gen. John Costello, commanding general, U.S. Army Space and Missile Defense Command. “The THEL/ACTD shoot-down is a watershed event for a truly revolutionary weapon,” said Tim Hannemann, executive vice president and general manager, TRW Space & Electronics Group. During the test of THEL/ACTD, an armed Katyusha rocket was fired from a rocket launcher placed at a site in White Sands Missile Range. Seconds later, the THEL/ ACTD, located several miles away, detected the launch with its fire control radar, tracked the streaking rocket with its high precision pointer tracker system, then engaged the rocket with its high-energy chemical laser. Within seconds, the 10-foot-long, five-inch-diameter rock et exploded. This weaponry, which is usually described as defensive in the context of anti- missile applications, can be mounted on an airplane, ship, land-based station, or satellite. It can bombard its target with either beams that will destroy it outright, or by beams of lesser strength to disable the target’s electronics and cause it to go out of control. If the WTC had been struck by a similar weapon, than it is very likely, according to the East German physicist that one of the transmitters would have been placed in a high building nearby and the second one on a ship or across the East River. Some of the questions that should be asked would be: How long did the towers’ emergency power supply continue to function and had the computers in the towers been disturbed? Laser Beam Weapons and the Collapse of the World Trade Center Exotic weaponry.
A former East German physicist who was involved in the development of a infrared beam weapon in the Soviet Union told AFP that there is evidence that a directed energy weapon using “deep infrared” radiation was used to bring down the WTC.
The Pentagon was less damaged by a similar plane crash and fire because either a plasmoid was not involved or as the physicist speculated, "the Pentagon is technically shielded and protected from plasmoids."
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#181. To: All, *9-11* (#180)
One more link that discusses the Bollyn hypothesis and HAARP too: Part 3 of 4 Did Plasmoid Gas and Infrared Beams Cause the WTC Destruction « WTC RESEARCH ALLIANCE The German physicist suggested a pair of fluorine-powered laser beams were responsible at least for the Towers’ destruction.(5)
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#182. To: All, *9-11* (#181)
DEWS/Directed Energy Weapon Systems in recent news: Boeing Announces ‘New Mobile Laser Death Ray Now Available’ By Shepard Ambellas ‘High power testing represents a critical step forward for this innovative directed energy system.’ The latest field tests as part of Boeing’s contract with the U.S. Army Space and Missile Defence Command. Blaine Beardsley, HEL MD program manager for Boeing, said: ‘Phase II will allow us to build on the great work we have accomplished over the past several years with SMDC. Just like in a science fiction flick, Boeing has now announced that it has a new weapon for the battlefield proving grounds that travels at a speed of 186,000 mph while disintegrating it’s targets on site with extreme precision. Field test will soon begin for the High Energy Laser Mobile Demonstrator (HEL MD). An excerpt from the Daily Mail reads; The latest field tests as part of Boeing’s contract with the U.S. Army Space and Missile Defence Command. Blaine Beardsley, HEL MD program manager for Boeing, said: ‘Phase II will allow us to build on the great work we have accomplished over the past several years with SMDC. dailymail.co.uk: The death-ray on wheels: US Army begins testing monster laser truck that can shoot down anything, including missiles - Video at the site: U.S. Military begins testing on new laser device By Damien Gayle PUBLISHED:06:36 EST, 8 October 2012| UPDATED: 10:33 EST, 9 October 2012 The U.S. military has been experimenting with laser weapons since the Seventies but it is only in the past few years that a high-energy laser has properly functioned as a weapon. Early systems used large, chemical-based lasers which tended to produce dangerous waste gases. More recently, scientists have developed solid state lasers that combine large numbers of compact beam generators, similar to LEDs.
theintelhub.com
October 9, 2012 Mike Rinn, vice president of Boeing Directed Energy Systems and director of the program, said: ‘The Boeing HEL MD program is applying the best of solid-state laser technology to ensure the Army has speed-of-light capability to defend against rockets, artillery, mortars, and unmanned aerial threats – both today and into the future.
In recent years other defence contractors including Raytheon and Northrop Grumman have demonstrated ship-mounted lasers capable of shooting down aircraft and disabling small boats.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#183. To: titorite (#126)
Don't know if this TACAN info has anything to do with the material you wanted to reference but am posting it in case that is what you meant: 9-11, FAA-ATC & B757-B767 AutoPilot & AutoFlight - Let's Roll Forums 'TACAN Nagivation System' @ Why do the military use TACANs, why not VOR-DME - PPRuNe Forums Under military control - (they can put them where they want them, without having to co-ordinate with civilian authorities). No need to de-conflict with VHF VOR frequencies - the military need total control in war or limited war situations. You can put them on a ship (VOR needs a level mown field and a permanent installation). You can deploy them tactically. A team of 6 soldiers can put one into a forward battle area unprepared field. Don't have to put out NOTAMs every time you start one up or switch one off. No need to tell civilians at all, if you don't want to. Can switch them on and off at times that favour your own side, but deny them to the enemy. The enemy won't have TACAN receivers, but they will have VOR receivers. And lots of others. The military see a bigger picture than just compatibility of kit.I Could not find the [radar] material I wanted to reference
there is yet another 'radio Navigation' system operating simultenaous in and across the United State of America. It's called 'TACAN' - an acronym of 'Tactical Air Navigation'. FYI, this link is provided for your education and edification:
http://www.radar pa ges.co.uk/mob/nava...can/tacan1.htmGreater bearing accuracy.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#184. To: All, *9-11* (#180)
Israel and US Develop Infrared Beam Weapon [Last updated 12/10/2003] Christopher Bollyn - American Free Press Shorter Bollyn article-printings of the Soviet Directed Energy technology-demonstration mentioned therein (among other such related info); these examples dated 2-14-02: By Christopher Bollyn LASER BEAM WEAPONS AND THE COLLAPSE OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER by Christopher Bollyn Afaik, his DEW reporting is the earliest suggestion in the 9/11 Truth Movement of such weaponry possibly being used to destroy the Towers. This is not to discount what he reported but to archive evidence from his site [also noted here] that affirms some misgivings from time to time about his actions: Or are these narratives just stall and diversion tactics to divert attention, fragment the solidarity of the 9/11 activists, and mislead people away from the evidence that is very damning and which points to a long list of people and agencies which had the motive, the means, and the opportunity? Bollyn Responds: A very good question. I would have to agree that these false narratives are primarily designed to serve as diversion tactics to divert attention and fragment the 9-11 truth movement. The Judy Wood theory that the Twin Towers were pulverized by a directed-energy beam weapon is yet another of these red herrings. The purpose of these false theories is to confuse the population, to distract the activists, and divide the 9-11 truth movement. This is not unlike the psychological warfare methods that are employed against the enemy population during war. Could have been called his own theory prior to her investigative research on the subject. Even the word "chutzpah" seems an understatement for his tactical, diversionary-summation there. The red herring is the thermitic-meme that he's been clouding the 9/11 Truth Movement with, in-league with Steven Jones and company, which doesn't really explain the evidence of destruction. Christopher Bollyn's input as to the possible use of exotic weaponry on 9/11. An intriguing sidenote, imo, is that it is Russian in origin and Russians are recurring figures in the 9/11 scenarios: a Russian helicopter pilot; someone speaking in Russion searching at "Ground Zero" for somebody they knew; Russian "activity" over Alaska that caused some of our jets to scramble there that day. The Bollyn info also has details about plasma and force fields that might tie in to the pyroclastic dust clouds at the WTC.
Laser Beam Weapons and the Collapse of the World Trade Center
American Free Press
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February 14, 2002
American Free Press
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February 14, 2002Question: [sic] Is there an 'inner sanctum' group of psy-ops professionals who think they can insulate themselves by conjuring a narrative that eliminates them from the suspects list?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#185. To: GreyLmist (#184)
At least Christopher Bollyn is smart enough to admit when he is wrong. What is Judy Wood's problem?
God is always good!
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