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Title: Mini-Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle
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URL Source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/1 ... major-piece-of-the-911-puzzle/
Published: Oct 29, 2012
Author: Don Fox, Clare Kuehn, Jeff Prager, Jim V
Post Date: 2012-10-30 10:32:57 by wudidiz
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Here I am going to summarize the evidence for each and explain why the most defensible and difficult to falsify are those that posit the use of sophisticated arrangements of micro and mini-nukes, which, of course, is not a technique that would have been available to Osama bin Laden and his hearty band of 19 Islamic fanatics, which the government has peddled to the public with a straight face and which has been supported by NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology). The NIST, alas, has been carrying the burden for the Bush/Cheney administration, which, together with its friends in the Mossad, appear to have been the principals responsible for 9/11. The theories to be discussed include (h1) the collapse theory, (h2) the nanothermite theory, (h3) the DEW theory, and (h4), the nuke theory, which should be distinguished by its own subtheories, including (h4a) the 150kt subbasement theory (associated with Dimitri Khalezov) and the (h4b) mini and mico-nuke theory (associated with The Anonymous Physicist, Dr. William Deagle, Dr. Ed Ward, Jeff Prager and Don Fox, among others), which appears by far the most promising. During The Vancouver Hearings, two sessions (with three speakers each) were devoted to the Twin Towers and how they were destroyed. Chuck Boldwyn discussed (h1), the collapse theory, during “Why the Twin Towers could not have collapsed”, explaining how a collapse of either of those buildings, given their design, was not even physically possible. This is especially so because the steel was tapered in thickness from 6" thick in the subbasements to 5", 4", and so on up to the highest floors, where it was only 1/4" thick. Thus, the relative mass of the steel for the top 14 floors of the North Tower, for example, which were alleged to have been weakened by the intense fires and collapsed onto the 96 floors below, represented on 1.4% of the mass of the steel. The very idea that that miniscule relative mass could overcome the lower 98.6% is a physical absurdity. Plus the fires burned neither long enough nor hot enough to cause the steel to weaken, much less melt. And if, counterfactually, they had burned long enough and hot enough to cause the steel to weaken, since those fires were asymmetrically distributed, their effects would have been asymmetrical, with gradual sagging and tilting, not the complete, abrupt and total demolition sequence that occurred. For these and other reasons, (h1) has to be rejected. The North Tower “bathtub” during the clean up These reasons do not completely rule out (h3), but they make it rather difficult to take very seriously, when the principal claim that Judy Wood makes about the destruction of the Twin Towers–that the energy that was required to destroy them was significantly beyond that provided by conventional explosives–is also satisfied by (h4), the nuke hypothesis. While she appears to be completely correct in making that claim, it is a condition that is satisfied by the use of nuclear weapons, which provide quantities of energy that are far beyond those provided by conventional sources of energy and can be directed! I believe that the only hypotheses that are sufficiently precisely defined that can potentially explain the destruction of the Twin Towers–which were blown apart form the top down in about 9 seconds for the South Tower and 11 seconds for the North–are those that appeal to nuclear devices, where several different versions have been advanced, which I shall discuss here. The first, (h4a), has been advanced by Dimitri Khalezov, who maintains that, during their construction, all three of the buildings–the Twin Towers and WTC-7–were constructed with 150kt nukes in their subbasements, where those nukes were directed upward. But the Twin Towers and WTC-7 were destroyed by completely different methods, where WTC-7 appears to have been a classic controlled demolition, where the demolition is set from the bottom up, all the floors are falling at the same time and there is a stack of pancakes equal to about 12% of the height of the original 47 floors or about 5 floors high. In the case of the Twin Towers, by comparison, the buildings are blowing apart from the top down, where the floors are waiting their turn to be “blown to kingdom come”, in the memorable phrase of Morgan Reynolds, they are being converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust and, when it is over, there is nothing there: no pancakes! Both buildings were destroyed below ground level. So they cannot possibly have been destroyed by the same method, where Khalezov’s account may even have been intended to discredit the theory that nuclear devices were used. Our interview: That leaves (h4b), that the Twin Towers were destroyed using sophisticated arrangements of micro or mini-nukes, which was discussed during The Vancouver Hearings by Jeff Prager, “Proof of Ternary Fission in New York City on 9/11", and by Don Fox, “Mini-nukes used at the WTC and the real ‘untold story’”, where the contents of dozens of dust samples acquired by the US Geological Survey were revealing: Barium and Strontium: Neither of these elements should ever appear in building debris in these quantities. The levels never fall below 400ppm for Barium and they never drop below 700ppm for Strontium and reach over 3000ppm for both in the dust sample taken at Broadway and John Streets. Thorium and Uranium: These elements only exist in radioactive form. Thorium is a radioactive element formed from Uranium by decay. It’s very rare and should not be present in building rubble, ever. So once again we have verifiable evidence that a nuclear fission event has taken place. Lithium: With the presence of lithium we have compelling evidence that this fission pathway of Uranium to Thorium and Helium, with subsequent decay of the Helium into Lithium has taken place. Lanthanum: Lanthanum is the next element in the disintegration pathway of the element Barium. Yttrium: The next decay element after Strontium, which further confirms the presence of Barium. Chromium: The presence of Chromium is one more “tell tale” signature of a nuclear detonation. Tritium: A very rare element and should not be found at concentrations 55 times normal the basement of WTC-6 no less than 11 days after 9/11, which is another “tell tale” sign of nukes. So I invited Dennis Cimino, who has experience with nuclear weapons, to comment on the discussion that follows, where he thinks that “not more than ’10′ or so ‘exotic’ very unconventional devices destroyed the cores, not THIRTY, and they were not triggered but were in fact, precision timed because each one had a WWV receiver inside it and each device knew precisely what time it was, and THAT negated the need for the interconnections, but having said that it did not mean they didn’t also need to shield from adjacent devices going off before their turn. . . .” He added that, “They could have avoided the interconnection wiring issue totally by lessening the numbers of devices and hence creating the natural ‘head room’ they needed in the timing interval, should a couple of these somehow gain a few or lose a few microseconds in time between them after turning ‘off’ the WWV timing reception altogether, that way the criticality of perfect detonation timing would not be necessary to use somewhat larger devices but lesser numbers, dealing with the building in ‘cube’ segments [NOTE: as Chuck Boldwyn has emphasized], rather than floor by floor, which would be a waste of time and be fraught with a lot more wholly non-necessary ‘dud’ risks doing it that way. And it also still legitimizes Controlled Demolition, Inc.’s role in the cleanup, as they would be there to make sure any and all forensic evidence of such stuff be ‘gone’ before anyone knew they had been found.” “Boldwyn’s segmenting of the building into it’s natural cubes as it was built made me think that the logical way to destroy the WTC towers so as to collapse them into their own footprint, would be to first create a ‘deficit’ in structural integrity and material created mechanical and purely physical resistance in a lower level of the building, so as to allow for the beginning of a gravitational free fall of the upper floors into the deficit. As you had actually said in one of your dissertations, the velocity of the collapse might just have been a smidgen ‘faster’ than mere gravitational falling, meaning that a force was used to ‘blow down’ or ‘push’ the upper floors into the structural cavity or deficit below. I also seem to remember that some of the accounts of people being horribly burned but clearly not by jet fuel, or being so wigged out so as to ‘jump’–meaning they were either preferring the death of falling over burning or, more adroitly, they saw something in the building that compelled them to lose all hope of escaping. . . . To destroy the CORE of the building as apparently was done as the antenna on top began to wobble due to no structure below it, means that the very core of the building was ‘gone’ or ‘compromised’ before the exoskeletal outer sections were destroyed, just prior to them then being forcibly blown outwards as the collapse began. “I now think the ‘key’ was ‘lesser numbers of devices’ perhaps in the realm of half a dozen or maybe up to a dozen, max, taking out the CORE of the building in the cube segments as in almost reverse of the construction of the towers, and at the same time, using conventional stuff in the exoskeletal destruction, because all it would have taken is for one of the UNCONVENTIONAL devices being obvious to the external world going off, to expose the fact that something rather heavy duty had been used. In summary, all devices were fully independent and not interconnected in any way, but could have used their own radio frequency link due to the fact the building had it’s own natural antenna (the core ) and that could have been the way these devices all communicated to each other just before detonation and checked in with the master timing device that would have been amongst them, all saying, ‘Okay, I am ready to go’, using radio inter communications of very low R.F. power to avoid detection by any security teams in the building, in a frequency domain that normally only submarines communicate on, also would have made it feasible for synchronizing them, while at the same time, being time sync’d to WWV broadcast out of D.C. on any number of those WWV tine sync frequencies, most likely on the 10 MhZ (not kilohertz this time) band, where WWV is broadcast on 5, 10, 15 and I think still on 20 MhZ from Boulder and Bethesda So, that’s my ‘behind the scenes’ assessment about how they did this, using NEUTRON devices to destroy the building in CUBES versus FLOORS, and blowing the exoskeletal structures outward using R D X and thermitic devices solely.” CLARE KUEHN: A barometric bomb is as outlandish as thermite; more so. It requires aerosol dispersal of an incendiary and/or explosive throughout the building and this type of weapon is ONLY used on large, empty structures. Walls, floors, doors and general office construction prevents effective aerosol dispersal within a building. Study the mechanics of these various devices and then study nuclear physics. One conclusion – 9/11 was an advanced nuclear event. The human element is: would the workers have minded? — well, the unions for construction workers were heavily arranged by the mob in NYC at the time. Companies? Well, with the segmented elevators and lock-down of certain floors, as far as other companies were concerned, whereby they couldn’t just go to any floor, it’s not impossible. Custodians? Being let in on only certain floors, assuming others were looking after the other floors, or being in on the secret and paid off, it’s not impossible. Company records? Almost all the records are weird: companies whose tenancies leave large gaps in occupancy over many floors, companies which are tied to mil-ind. complex, banking, etc., companies whose tenancies were supposed to be occupying during periods when according to other records there was nobody. If it was the case, then it wasn’t fully hollow towers, but it may have been partly. The sunlight coming through the buildings in 2 photos is explicable as unfinished walls inside the floors (quite normal) but the ANGLE of the sunlight, i.e., that the sunlight and camera angle are seemingly unaffected by perspective, as if the sun were streaming THROUGH floors which should have been finished, is not normal for a building with floors. Unless the photos were taken so far away that all angles are minimized and thus they’re so telephoto that you’d think there were no floors when there are. But I’ve watched buildings go up; even when they are unfinished, there is dimming wherever there are floors in, where the sunlight vs. point of viewing overlaps in perspective, even from far away. And again, what about what Tom remembers? He mentioned it when I told him of the “crazy idea” of hollow-portion towers. He reminded me he’d been on that tour (I’d forgotten he’d been there at that point in our friendship), and said, “I saw that” and told me the rest. He said (as did I) maybe it was some unfinished area, but this was a month or weeks before opening of the 1st tower to open. He said it was not the basement, because they’d travelled up. He said he didn’t know if it was the big area of the generators/ac in the upper middle, but he didn’t think so because it didn’t have equipment. And I’m fully aware that the people promoting this idea, as is usual, over-do their conclusions (they think there was no need for much debris and the dustification was bogus somehow), because they were upset with Wood’s point — no, it wasn’t Prager and Fox who first made the dustification a big deal to notice; it was Wood, like it or lump it. And that they are aggressive and nutty personally to deal with. But the issue is under attended, under noticed … it must be fully handled and explained (pro, con, or partly right and assimilated). DON FOX: Ed Ward and I were on Kevin Barrett’s radio show Friday ["Were the Twin Towers nuked?", American Freedom Radio, 26 October 2012] talking about how mini-nukes were used at the WTC. Check out Ed’s blog: http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ and mine for more info. I was talking to Jeff a couple of weeks ago and we both agreed that it was most likely that they used neutron bombs to destroy the WTC buildings. Ed states this as well and I have heard Chuck interviewed on Jim’s show and he also believes it was neutron bombs. So what makes neutron bombs the most likely candidate? A neutron bomb is basically a hydrogen bomb without a uranium case. I think they use chromium or nickel instead so that neutrons can escape the bomb and radiate the targeted area. More energy is released as radiation than blast. Cohen states that the intended use for the neutron bomb was to detonate it a mile up and in a battlefield area. A 1 kiloton device would fry most of the soldiers within 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile radius. Most structures would be unharmed in this scenario which is why the neutron bomb has been described as a weapon that kills people but spares buildings. There is no lingering radioactivity so the area will be inhabitable almost immediately after the blast is over. There is a blast of radiation then that’s pretty much it. To sum up the WTC1 and 2 operation: a series of shape charged mini-neutron bombs are detonated from the top of the buildings to the bottom to simulate a free fall collapse. Material is ejected upward and outward due to the shaping of the mini-nuke charges. Two giant 110 floor 500,000 ton skyscrapers are destroyed in 9 and 11 seconds respectively. Cement and steel are turned into very small particles while paper blows down the street. Why didn’t the paper catch on fire? First it’s hard to light a piece of paper on fire in a wind tunnel. Second the paper’s high tensile strength to weight ratio allowed the lightweight paper to blow away in the blast wave while the heavier material was vaporized. Paper has give to it. (Watch the first 911 Eyewitness clip posted on my blog for the paper/powder theory.) Why was there no flash? When small bombs are detonated inside of giant skyscrapers the flash is hidden from view. When it’s over nuclear fissile material is leftover and it reacts for months creating 1,500 °F ground temperatures (China Syndrome). Hundreds of dump trucks of dirt are required to be hauled in and out to clean up the mess. The USGS collects dust samples that show elevated levels of uranium, thorium, barium, strontium, yttrium and chromium which indicates fission has taken place. The DOE collects water samples that have elevated levels of tritium, which indicates fusion has taken place. So a fission triggered fusion bomb such as a neutron bomb would explain the USGS and DOE samples quite nicely. So we have a text book case of nukes being used but the manner they were deployed in is so far from what the average person suspects that it takes years for the mini-nuke theory to gain prominence. So why are people like Steve Jones and Judy Wood denying nukes then? Let’s start with Jones. Why would a nuclear physicist be pushing the nanothermite theory and denying nukes? A fair question. You would have to ask Jones what his motives are in covering up nukes but I’ll throw this out there: neutron bombs have always been controversial, even in the military establishment. “The idea of the neutron warhead has been hotly debated since its inception. At the time of its introduction, some felt that its relatively small initial blast and fallout was ideal for use in densely populated areas, like Europe.” And from financialsensearchive.com: “The invention achieved the objective – to make a nuclear weapon that was tactically useful in the sense of not destroying the country in the process. But, it was quickly squelched by the various interests that concluded that such a device would only make nuclear war more likely. The neutron bomb was, in effect, banned because it destroyed the sharp distinction between conventional and nuclear weapons by minimizing the fission blast and radiation by-products. So if it ever came out that neutron bombs were used on civilians in a false flag attack there would be a lot of controversy behind the scenes in the military-industrial complex believe it or not. Steve Jones true audience may be the good people in the military establishment who would freak out at the use of tactical nuclear weapons on civilians. He’s probably not trying to convince the average Joe Blow on the street that thermite destroyed these giant skyscrapers. He’s merely trying to keep a lid on the use of nukes. This is classic CYA; he’s covering the assess of his buddies at the nuke labs. Nobody wants to get their government funding cut. Or worse yet go to jail. Since I have come out publicly supporting the mini-nuke theory I’ve gotten harassing and intimidating emails from Thomas Potter and Emmanuel Goldstein (members of the Judy Wood crew) and Fetzer and I have both seen the nasty comments on Amazon.com from her crew as well. They appear to have a list of folks like me who they go after. Anyone who advocates or even entertains the mini-nuke hypothesis will likely hear from the likes of Potter and Goldstein. When you are over the target you will get some flack. Jim Fetzer has tasked those of us who spoke at Vancouver with finding out as much as possible about the 9/11 operation. Just saying that the government’s account is false is not enough. We can do better than that and I believe we have. A close look at 9/11 reveals that a loved by some and reviled by others weapon, the neutron bomb, is at the heart of the destruction. Nanothermite couldn’t possibly have destroyed the WTC and Judy Wood offers no real theory. The only weapon that fits all of the evidence is the shaped-charge mini-neutron bomb. CLARE KUEHN: I repeat for you: Wood’s mind-set (aggressive and self-pitying though it be), is stuck on the evidence of EMF effects. Barometric-Neutron bombs would have such effects the way she suggests; as would SOME of the effects from mini-fissionless fusion. The issue with the paper (fused but unburnt and with print still on, in the meteorite or similar agglomerated debris), and the fact that these bombs might in fact give off some of the weird EMF she noticed, for example, deserves further discussion. Being stuck on seeing an (possibly) airy-fairy version of the EMF effects does not make one a deliberate disinfo person. In fact, one can see her emphasize things you people would only have majorly noticed — probably — such as the ongoing dustification IN MID-AIR of spires, with no heat-melt effects or flashes, if she had not pointed them out. In doing so, she’s been emphasizing her stuff so long that though she’s always HAD room for nuclear EFFECTS, the regular bomb nuke idea, which was around when she started, DESERVED ridicule, and she’s GOTTEN STUCK IN DEFENSIVENESS. ——- Who hasn’t run into THAT elsewhere? HA HA ha. Jones is a different kettle of fish. His denial of nukes is as bad as his effective denial (sidelining) of nuclear cold fusion — in its original form, from EMF alone. JEFF PRAGER: I would add, Dr Stephen Jones worked in muon catalyzed fusion using deuterium, lithium deuteride, uranium and other similar fusion and fission related elements, for years, for the Department of Energy, who is the sole controller of everything nuclear in the United States. These are, very specifically, the elements that would be used in the type of device we’re discussing. Don, I would also incorporate Dr. Busby’s material, my email with him, into your essays for academic support. He’s well known and well thought of. I would not add that The DOE is an old client of mine. Heidi Fox was their purchasing manager and we were great friends. She made enormous purchases that gave me massive commissions. She was in DC and I worked in Phoenix and inherited the DOE client and what a client it was. Her 4 or 5 yearly purchases provided a middle class income by themselves. This was the early 90s. I sold commercial grade hospital disinfectants and microbe and bacteria based cleaners. CLARE KUEHN: Absolutely. I was not meaning to “leave out” Jones’ massive nuclear credentials. I was emphasizing the difference with Wood. JEFF PRAGER: Wrong. I listened to a 2-hour radio broadcast with Diana Spingola, Dr. Wood and Andrew. The broadcast was about me and my 636 page, 167.8 MB eMagazine on 911 titled, “America Was Nuked” which, with 636 pages, obviously goes into great detail re: Jones, Wood and others as well as thoroughly covering the fusion/fission aspects of 911. I did not bash Dr. Wood in the book in the least though I absolutely crucified Dr. Jones. Wood lied publicly and ridiculed the book from cover to cover during that radio broadcast yet failed to mention any physics and chemistry analysis which the book is based on; the 22 page physics, chemistry and mathematical analysis is the foundation for the book. I engaged in a brief email dialogue with Dr. Wood after that. It was akin to speaking to a Kellogg’s Corn Flakes box. Jones, I would suspect, isn’t much different. He’s never responded to me at all. A dozen professional emails and several attempts to contact him by phone. He knows better than to talk to me and Wood does too. I can discuss these elements intimately and know the data by heart unlike most everyone else. THERE IS simply no scientific explanation for not just failing to discuss but avoiding at all costs, the USGS data, which proves beyond any doubt, but only when, the dozens of elements are correlated and examined TOGETHER, as they increase and decrease predictably across dozens of sample locations, that a fission event occurred. We use the word predictably for a reason. The decay paths are apparent in the elemental analysis. They’re difficult to see and require advanced chemistry and mathematics analysis to secure valid data but the data is there. Surely ternary fission occurred, a relatively unusual form of fission and possibly quaternary fission, an even more rarely seen form of fission. Albeit each explosion was a very minor fission event which, again, speaks of the very small ‘apple sized’ neutron bomb Dr. Busby discussed and which might in its third or fourth or fifth or who knows what generation, use a very small amount of uranium. ANYONE AT ALL that understands the elements, like both Dr. Jones and Dr. Wood, and refuses to discuss them publicly is hiding the truth. The reason, for me, is immaterial. I abhor liars and thieves (that profit from theft in case anyone wants to bring up my books which don’t always have citations, but they’re all free and I’m also opposed to copyright laws). Murderers and rapists are right up there too. How many men and women were murdered and raped during war in Iraq and also in the US military; they have a huge rape problem? Rape incidence is extraordinary in the US military. How many homes in Iraq were plundered during the Iraq war (too many other wars to mention frankly)? ANYONE AT ALL that hides the nuclear aspect of 911 has no legal, ethical or moral ground to support that stance. Gaining public acceptance of a lie across an entire country, and in Jones’ case an entire planet, is contemptible and criminal as well. Exposure to radiation is horrid and odious. The health effects are forever unknown and any illness can be directly related – even odd illnesses like a gastrointestinal problem 15 years later. I wrote a book, a 708 page book titled “Ionizing Radiation 911" and I sent letters of request to the Japanese and Russian governments for medical data on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Chernobyl. I received quite a bit of bound material. The investigations are ongoing with new data obtained every year because exposures like this have life-long effects that we’re just now becoming familiar with and just slightly at that. We do know that very low level radiation actually has a greater or more magnified effect on human health and that a single sub-micron radioactive particle within a living being emits radiation for the living beings life and causes irreparable damage and eventually an earlier than would be expected death. As for low level exposure, lifetime extremely low level exposure has a far greater impact on human health than one large survivable exposure such as that experienced by what are called the “Nuclear Veterans”. For example, living within 20 miles of a nuclear power plant may actually have a greater population wide measurable effect than, again as a rough example, people exposed to a high but one-time and short-lived exposure that, let’s suggest, were maybe 3-10 miles from ground zero Nagasaki or Hiroshima. It’s difficult to be exact with this material because, as I said, the medical data is still being collected today although, as with everything, as recently as 2008 staffing was cut dramatically in both Japan and Russia to monitor and compile records on humans exposed during these events. Medical investigation is ongoing, but monumentally slow. Exposure to radioactivity does not only cause cancer. It causes neurological, gastrointestinal, lymphatic and ALL-SYSTEM damage. Exposure for a certain time level and dose causes cataracts. This is what we’re learning and have learned. We see a complete variety of almost every disease known to man with exposure to radiation. Different exposure types, times and amounts of exposure dictate response, to some degree, but not a degree that’s confidently predictable. Honestly, I’m a high school and then college drop-out although I did manage to do well financially throughout my life. That I’m retired and have a great deal of time to study these issues helps immensely. BUT people of Dr. Wood and Dr. Jones’ caliber, with knowledge of physics, chemistry and the elements on the periodic table, with an understanding of science having spent entire lifetimes and full careers intimately involved in it, can only be seen as purposefully obfuscating the truth. There is no excuse. Clare wants to think Dr. Wood is ignorant. She is not. Contact her. Ask to discuss my 22 pages titled, “19-42" which I’ve linked in these emails repeatedly. She will not. Dr. Jones won’t either. One cannot, as a scientist, publicly make an ass of oneself and a public debate on those pages with me, or anyone else with a full understanding of the material in them, would crucify either of them and they know it. I do this full-time, or did until mid-2012 when I figured out more than enough and I spend my time now publishing a weekly eMagazine titled, “Globalism” which is about Class Warfare. I write something about 9/11 in most issues. CLARE KUEHN: Of course she ridicules you. She thinks somehow you took her images (she’s fanatic and unreasonable about images, even when they’re in the public domain). She also thinks you’re overweening — she’s not into nukes; she’s set on the EMF. JEFF PRAGER: Proving fission, ternary fission at that with the possibility of quaternary fission with the USGS data was not easy nor did anyone think to use the data for a number of years. The USGS data was collected by chemists, not physicists. I spoke with 3 of the chemists at the USGS who participated in the study, the three top people. I’ve spoken to one of them 3 times. I was asked what the daughter products of strontium are because these are chemists, not physicists, and they never would have seen fission in the data. However, I do want to state, ANY physicist working intimately with current explosive nuclear devices could look at the USGS Chemistry Table 1 data and see fission in an instant. There are, perhaps, 100-200 people on earth, if that, because I’m being generous, with the skill set required to see fission instantly in the data. Dr. Jones is one of them. Dr. Jones’ samples were acquired, handled and used in such a way that anyone, including Dr. Jones himself, could have tampered with those samples and as I’ve stated previously, no true scientist in his right mind would use them, yet Jones did. The USGS does not claim to have found no thermite. That’s my claim. The USGS used all of the same methods of analysis Jones used and them some. They took far more sub-micron images than Jones supplied in his Bentham Open essay and their dust analysis is far more complex and infinitely more thorough than that of Jones. My examination of the USGS dust samples and the examination of those same samples by both physicists and chemists indicates no evidence of conventional explosives, thermite or nano-chemical explosives or any type of incendiary residues and they would be there if they were used. The USGS analysis included: scanning electron microscopy (SEM) at USGS and Delta Group, scanning transmission ion microscopy (STIM) at USGS and Delta Group, high temporal resolution aerosol mass profiles (Mass STIM), (in vacuum) AT the Center for Accelerator Mass Spectrometry, at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory proton elastic scattering analysis (PESA) (in vacuum) at LLNL, Na-U, synchrotron x-ray fluorescence (in vacuum) (S-XRF) and digital Si (Li) analysis at Advanced Light Source, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory laser desorption ionization time-of-flight mass spectrometry (LDITOF/MS) (in vacuum) and synchrotron-induced X-Ray Fluorescence (S-XRF) at the University of California. A slightly more sophisticated analysis than Jones performed. Now, you worked for the government and you know how these agencies work. This analysis, as you can see from the organizations involved in the paragraph above, involved 100s of people, all plodding away, doing their government jobs like they do every day. They were analyzing dust for chrysolite content for the EPA. Little did they know that their data would prove fission. Interestingly, there is a tremendous amount of missing data in Chemistry Table 1. When I asked about the hundreds of na’s (not available) where percentages or parts per million were concerned I was told perhaps the quantity of that element at that location was too small. Based on the study and the quantities shown, that’s absurd. While my analysis of the USGS data proves unequivocally that 911 was a nuclear event, if I had all of the missing data I could narrow down the device type slightly. Probably not precisely, but much closer than I can now. We can say, being cautious, that: 1. 911 was a nuclear event JIM VIKEN: It’s obvious, any reasonable person who has looked at the evidence and listened to Jeff Prager knows that he is correct in his claim that mini nukes were used. The actual specific type is open to discussion since there are known to be a number of very small types than could have been used. But that such demolition was nuclear based and probably involving fusion is undeniable. Prager’s assertions of this must be considered the best interpretation and conclusion after examination of all the available evidence of the destruction of the Twin Towers. Any other known means of destruction including particle beam (DEWS) does not have near enough power to pulverize so much concrete and steel in mere fractions of a second. It is only the focused nuclear cracking of the forces that hold atoms together that could have released enough energy to demo the Twin Towers in the manner which occurred. Folks who are well informed about deep cover black ops like this know that numerous different aspects and layers are always included: to test new weapon systems; to throw investigators off; and to provide narratives to be later used to conceal the main thrust of the operation. Thus it is reasonable to expect that the attack on the Twin Towers included conventional high explosives, perhaps in the basement right before the main hits of the upper floors, nano-thermate in some areas which would be visible to observers as slag coming out windows, and the use of fourth or fifth generation mini or even micro nukes at about every tenth floor, setting them off from the top down in sequence. But for anyone to suggest that conventional high explosives or nano-thermate was in anyway a sufficient cause or the main cause or anything more than a minor part, is certainly not making sense in terms of the laws of physics and what the best existing evidence shows. DR. ED WARD: The WTC specimen I got from Janette MacKinley (RIP – Died of a Brain Tumor in 2010) – which disappeared after Deagle got involved and suddenly he has a sample he can’t get tested – had no red granules – everything was grey like powdered concrete. No one has been able to beat the 1 to 1 weight ratio of of the best super-duper nanothermite to steel requiring around a billion pounds of thermite required just to melt steel – let alone craters, atomization of metals, concrete, cars, fire resistant paper, a billion pounds of 1800 degree residue, tritium and more. Only the massive bombardment of neutrons can do what was done. For more, Understanding the Scam of ‘Thermite’ on 9 11 - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/481 History Channel Molten Metal At Ground Zero – The World Trade Center, Rise and Fall of an American Icon, Richard Riggs amongst a background of nuclear devastation talks about molten metal. 42 seconds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI Molten WTC Rock - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMu2w7fSG8&feature=related Molten Metals under WTC 6 weeks after 9/11 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmMLDG87Sak&feature=related A nice compilation of ‘molten steel’ observations. Excerpt from Blueprint for Truth. 8 minuteshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqJSDn5dgJc&feature=related The thermite portion is BS, “Bogus Science”, to hide the use of nukes. The Mystery of WTC 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVs4oMQEpvs&feature=related Massive Steel ‘Spire’ Melts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4&feature=related Some tower and some spire. Only a nuke can melt steel like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W0-W582fNQ Further evidence of tremendous heat can be seen in this 8 ton 6" thick I-beam that is bent like a horseshoe without warping, kinking or splitting. http://thewebfairy.com/911/h-effect/horseshoe.htm For the referenced facts see what’s been being hidden by most ‘truth’ organizations for 6 years, see: Bombs in the WTC Proves Nothing to Racist-Fascist Bigots http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/08/21/ward.htm US Government’s Usage of Atomic Bombs http://www.serendipity.li/wot/ed_ward/use_of_abombs.htm Update: The US Government’s Usage of Atomic Bombs – Domestic – WTC http://www.usavsus.info/WTC-MoreEvidence.htm Update: Proven 9/11 Nukes = US Government Involvement http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/proven-9-11-nukes-us-government-involvement/ Dennis Cimino, A.A., EE; spent 35-years EMI/EMC testing, field engineering; FDR testing and certifications specialist; Navy Combat Systems Specialist; 2,000 hours, Pilot in Command, Commercial Instrument Single and Multi-Engine Land Pilot, Eastern Airlines 727-200, Second Officer. Donald Fox has done extensive research on the role of mini-nukes by Dr. Ed Ward and on work by The Anonymous Physicist on the towers and has formulated an account of how it was done and why there is more to this story relative to very low-yield thermonuclear devices. Clare Kuehn, a University of Toronto graduate in history and student of philosophy, mathematics and the arts, discussed Judy Wood, WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO?, and presented evidence for “Directional Free or ‘Low-Input’ Energy Weapons” during The Vancouver Hearings. Jeff Prager, founder of an award winning magazine for Senior Citizens, in 2002 he tried to prove 19 Muslims hijacked four planes and attacked us. By 2005, he realized this was false, sold his business, left the US and began to investigate 9/11 full-time. See 9/11 America Nuked. Jim Viken, Ph.D., a Social Psychologist, Psychologist Emeritus, and retired former Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist, who has become an expert in psyops and covert operations and made many appearances on “The Real Deal” archived at http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com. Ed Ward, M.D., among the leading experts on the use of nukes on 9/11, maintains an extensive archive about them at his “Weblog of Tyranny”, http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/, and has also appeared as a guest on “The Real Deal”, which you can hear at Jim Fetzer, McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth, is the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, edited its first book, THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY (2007), organized its first conference, “The Science and Politics of 9/11" (Madison) and co-organized “The Vancouver Hearings”.Mini-Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle
by Don Fox, Clare Kuehn, Jeff Prager, Jim Viken and Dr. Ed Ward (with Dennis Cimino and Jim Fetzer)
There are a half-dozen or more theories about how the Twin Towers were destroyed, where, as The Vancouver Hearings have established, the “official account”–that the buildings collapsed, due to the intense heat of the jet-fuel based fires, which caused the steel to lose its strength and lead to a cascade of floors falling upon one another–is the least defensible and most effortlessly refuted of them all.
During The Vancouver Hearings, Clare Kuehn, “Were DEWs used to decimate the Twin Towers?”, made heroic efforts to explain why hypothesis (h3), the use of DEWs (Directed Energy Weapons) might have been involved, as Judy Wood, Ph.D., the former professor of mechanical engineering from Clemson University, has proposed. The principal problems with the this approach, however, are that, (1) while her book, Where did the Towers Go?, and her web site, http://drjudywood.com, do an admirable job in laying out the effects that need to be explained (technically known as “the explanandum”) by means of an adequate theory (its “explanans”), (2) Judy Wood herself claims that she does not have a theory, which means that she is likely to deny any specific position attributed to her, where (3) the strongest claim she makes is that the energy that was required to destroy the Twin Towers was significantly beyond that provided by conventional explosives–and was directed! Among the kinds of fascinating evidence to which she and Clare invite our attention are oddities related to those who jumped from the towers, the lathering phenomena that preceded the destruction of both Twin Towers and WTC-7 as well, and the importance of “the bathtub”, a dike-like wall that kept Hudson River water from flooding beneath lower Manhattan and the subway and PATH train tunnels, the preservation of which appears to be the primary reason why the towers had to be destroyed by a novel form of demolition that would convert most of those 500,000 ton buildings into very fine dust rather than allow them to fall upon and damage the bathtub. Dust particles, after all, remain suspended in the atmosphere and do not come down in mass. 
As I have explained in “9/11 Truth will out: The Vancouver Hearings II”, which should be read along with this article, the most plausible theory now appears to be that arrangements of mini or micro-nukes were used to blow out 10 floor segments at a time, where, because the top 30 floors of the South Tower had tilted to the side and were blown out as one, the sequence of the South Tower took about 9 seconds and for the North Tower 11. Mini-Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle
NOTE: The following email exchange took place 25-27 October 2012, which was initially precipitated by my posting this and inviting comments:
The discussion that followed seems to complement previous exchanges about this crucial subject, which leads me to post it here for consideration. The final comment by Jeff Prager was taken from a related email thread and integrated here, because it fits very nicely into the ongoing discussion.
JEFF PRAGER:
There is some suggestion that parts of the buildings were left floorless. Now, two possibilities come to mind: 1. the indications are due to pre-demo on some floors (there is a photo of Gelitin B where there are wrong floorings and ceilings are too high), and it couldn’t have been used; 2. it really was like that in parts of the tower: a man named Tom Della-Latta (actually, my friend!) was a youth whose father worked on the towers, was invited for a family viewing “behind the scenes” and he said he’ll never forget looking up into the darkness in one of the finished towers, seeing only girders several floors up. 
If this was the case partway up it’s structurally fine: the girders would be the support with the walls and central columns, and several floors could be left without floor pans, and only internal support beams to connect and buttress — like internal buttresses. Tinker-toy, upon which some areas were given flooring as well, and the lower levels particularly. Not impossible at all physically (not that it was done, necessarily).
The bomb does have blast effects but they are much less than a fission bomb or a regular hydrogen bomb. So let’s modify the scenario by using low-yield mini-neutron bombs and place them inside the core columns of giant skyscrapers. These mini-nukes do have blast effects but it’s going to be minimized as the yield is lower. So the hypocenter of the blast is going to vaporize the core of the buildings and turn most of the rest of the material into small particles of dust that covers Lower Manhattan in a pyroclastic dust cloud. Which is what is observed. Large chunks of WTC 1 and 2 are ejected into nearby buildings. But all of the nearby buildings are still standing. They are not flattened by the mini-neutron bombs. The low-yield weapons and limited blast of the neutron bombs localize the effects. This is counter-intuitive to most people. When they think of nukes they envision whole cities getting flattened. Flattening whole cities isn’t usually the goal (especially in a black op). That’s why smaller weapons have greater military application.
Life was breathed back into the concept in the 1970s in an effort to improve NATO defenses by producing a weapon that directly challenged the immense Soviet strength – its tanks and armies. But, it did so without the massive physical damage usually associated with a nuclear weapon. Several hundred of the neutron bomb warheads were actually produced and stockpiled during the Reagan Administration. This new lease on life, however, soon came to an end. Following the first Persian Gulf War, President Bush at General Powell’s recommendation directed that all the tactical weapons be destroyed. ” 
What about Judy Wood then? She denies nukes at every turn same as Jones does. I think her audience is researchers and academic types who don’t buy the official story but are not familiar with the capabilities of mini-nukes. Publicly she states that she has no theory and her definition of a directed energy weapon (DEW) is merely “the evidence is consistent with the use of energy weapons that go well beyond the capabilities of conventional explosives and can be directed.” Mini-neutron bomb shaped charges fit that definition to a T. But Judy tries hard to persuade people that Hutchison/Tesla technology is the culprit and not nuclear bombs. Judy also proclaims that there is no need for a new 9/11 investigation because she has already done it. If you want to learn more about 9/11 then follow all of John Hutchison’s work in his lab. That will tell you all you need to know if you are still curious. So the Judy Wood bottom line is: no nukes on 9/11, no new investigation is needed and follow John Hutchison’s BS on YouTube or whatever. Don’t look at what’s going on at Los Alamos, Sandia, Lawrence Livermore or Oak Ridge. This is a recipe for going nowhere. She is a gatekeeper and nothing more. The efforts of her crew are coordinated so it appears Judy Wood is an intelligence operative.
2. Fission is proven without doubt
3. The evidence for fusion is extremely good
4. The anomalies seen suggest a fission triggered fusion device similar to the Russian RDS-220 detonated in 1961, but on a micro scale.
5. The devices used on 911 were likely neutron bombs, the most feared devices ever developed by humans on earth.
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Not hot enough to burn anyone's skin.
Unfortunately for yourself, a volcano is not the ONLY way a pyroclastic flow can be created. Even if it wasn't quite AS hot as that from a volcano, the very nature of a pyroclastic flow makes it HOT ENOUGH to do the damage you call attention to. Says who? You? Please show me any sort of valid scientific reference which states some pyroclastic flows can be cool enough not to burn someone's skin. I have no problem with a termite pyroclastic cloud... so long as it burns everything reletivly evenly with the majority of the burn damage being closer to the center of the event and alot alot less as we get further away from ground zero. BUt that is not what we see..... we see half melted cars blocks away no where near ground zero. warpped and twisted metal with no cloud dust on them... Clean cars otherwise.... save for all the melting....outside the cloud zone Soooo... I have given thought to that cloud being super heated. It is totally plausible.... till I remember those half melted cars.. on the other side of the island _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Each floor would thus be pulverized by the upper mass as it descended at near free fall speed. And that is exactly what was observed. You're right about this, FL. There were no mini-nukes or other types of exotic explosives. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
This is all kind of fuzzy to me with the meningitis and all. I just can't imagine that there were any exotic exposive devices at ground zero. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Hey buddy, why are you shitting on truthers? We just want to have a conversation about 911 with out your lying disruptive ass. You know lurker, I don't see why it matters any more. You are a lying piece of trash. Post three contradicts post 40 both are your posts and you refuse to own up to it and you refuse to atone for it... Fuck you lying piece of trash. You're a dirty jew liar. Lurker.... LaHaye and Jenkins wrote about people like you... in their "left Behind" books..... anti christ types that could do one thing in front of some folk and insist that they believe another thing... regardless of the transactions before their eyes. But that will never stand. I will point out your lies until you admit to them.... it is one thing to be mistaken with no ill intent. BUT YOU LURKER LIE LIKE A JEWISH CHILD WITH PURPOSE AND ILL INTENT! So fuck you scum bag , you have nothing to offer the truth movement until you learn how to be honest yourself Lurker. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
meh, I am unsure myself, but I have no problem discussing it in a civil manner with out swearing at polite honest folks such as yourself and most all the others here. My apologies for swearing at the disruptors. Anyways.... It sounds incorrect to me, a micro neutron bomb.... but one does still need to disconnect the base but that does not have to be accomplished via nuclear devices like a neutron bomb. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Cutting charges placed on the columns would do the trick. Now, I believe that Neal Bush was in charge of security at the Twin Towers before the planes hit. You know to whom he is related? Right, the Bush dynasty. BTW, I have a book from an old friend who has now passed away titled, "The Bush, Cheney, Clinton Crime Cartels Chaotic Crisis". "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
The bottom though... ... I mean.. it abosolutly had to be brought down in a certain manner to ensure it comes down. It could of all been done relativly conventionally... but things like evaporating spires strongly suggest otherwise... in my opinion.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
I really do not know what you mean here. I've been out of action for quite some time with the meningitis. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=150808 Wudidiz posted a thread on it. As the building fell one portion was left. A spire. It stood tall for a few seconds... then it kinda slips down then the entire definable last bit "magicaly" (science) turns into dust. it is quite a thing to see. hit the link and see what I mean. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
This statement therein isn't so conclusive: Used your reference here, mainly for the numerous news sources: ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You're a dirty jew liar. You have issues you little twat. I love how you act so "freedom loving" on other threads, yet behave like a government stooge on these 9/11 threads. You are obviously SOME sort of paid shill, whether your employer is US, EU, or Israeli, it doesn't matter. You have targetted me as I'm one who's been posting factual information concerning 9/11, and have tried to show how various disinformation tales are exactly what they are, such as your no planes bullshit, and now neutron bombs blowing up in Manhatten. Either you are one serious dumb fuck, or you're a paid shill. There is no other explanation for your behavior here. You are a real piece of work. YOU are NOT a "truther", you are most obviously a disinformationalist who PRETENDS he's a "truther" to gullible fools, and who ATTACKS those who DO post factual and scientific information regarding 9/11. I've been on the side of truth long enough for people to know what I'm all about. YOU on the other hand have earned yourself a reputation as not only a foul mouthed loose cannon, but one who jumps down people's throats because they don't believe or accept your lies. You have also been trying to intice people into some sort of unspecified "action", oftentimes apparently violent action. It would not surprise me in the least if you work for the FBI or Homeland Security, and are trying to find some suckers to bring down as "domestic terrorists". It's impressive - the lengths you will go to attempting to win an argument. It doesn't go unnoticed. But it's all a diversion tactic. You're full of shit. Show me one piece of evidence that the pyroclastic flow at the wtc was hot? Anything? You can't because there isn't any. Just admit you're wrong. Just admit that you have no explanation at all for why the rubber was burnt off the tires. It'd be a lot more noble and honorable than the smoke and mirrors show you've thrown up in a vain attempt to fool anyone. titorite has not said once that there were neutron bombs in Manhattan. And why do you keep pinging Lod? Can you help me to understand how you figure these folks emerged undamaged by your 1800 degrees hot pyroclastic flow? Huh? Are you fuckin nuts? Apparently speaking to you in a civil manner is in your mind, going to "impressive lengths to win an argument". Perhaps if I called you fucking jew piece of trash, like your boyfriend titorite likes to say here, it'd be more acceptable to you? Show me one piece of evidence that the pyroclastic flow at the wtc was hot? You tell me what YOU think burnt those cars.
I believe the man was asking for YOUR two cents if you have any to add. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
I believe nobody was talking to you or asking you your opinion.
I have no clue what you're high on but if that is what you pass for sarcasm you should lay off the booze because you're only impressing yourself. Whats the matter? Can't you play this game with out resorting to the foul tactics? It was a simple question even I could follow it. Since the pyroclastic dust can cling to peoples faces with out burning off their faces then obviously that is not super heated dust. Their can be no doubt. So what do you think melted the car tires Lurker? _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Since you wish to butt into the converstation, let me ask YOU, what do YOU think caused those car's lower sections to burn?
Jesus H fucking Christ. Who but a saint would not be Extremely frustrated with you Former Lurker.? NOW now you're trying to say I have not been part of this conversation but rather you think I am "butting in" ... And even with letting go of all that .... please remember to FOCUS The question has been directed at you twice Lurker. The super heated dust cloud that lands on peoples faces just fine ..... well it could not of been super heated now could it? IT did not burn people , it did not burn trees, it did not burn paper...no... that cloud was not 1800 degrees hot... So what in your hypothesis could of caused the cars tires to melt/burn like that ??? _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
What the hell did this? What do YOU both think caused it? An angry arab with a box cutter? Exotic weaponry.
I think Wudidiz let you off the hook too easily. Any intelligent human can answer a simple question. This constant turn about is what disinformationalists do. Both he and I had a very spesific question in light of certain evidence. That dust was not hot enough to burn skin,wood,or paper yet we have these half melted cars and what not.. If it was not the pyroclastic cloud then what lurker, in your opinion could of caused the damage? Instead of playing the game and giving another question for a question how about this time you give your opinion in regards to the most recent question that has been asked of you multiple times. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
There is probably several types of directed energy weapons being used/applied in WTC 1/2 The Truth movement has given the Elite grief with its determination to refuse the Official Goob account and keep kicking over the traces
It's pretty simple to tell who is who exactly. Those who launch insults, disrupt 9/11 threads, and attack those who simply report facts, are those who are COINTELPRO. It's been obvious since right after 9/11, where anything which deviated from the "offical story" was instantly attacked by some, while others were busy posting stories so ludricrous it drove away many. Take the no planes and neutron bomb stories for instance. There is absolutely NO basis in logical reasoning or fact involved, it's all pure speculation and fantasy, with little or no evidence to back it up. It keeps people from looking into the ACTUAL facts, such as Israeli involvement, arrests of Mossad operatives in New York and New Jersey the day of 9/11, and the impossibility of the towers falling without controlled demolition. Both he and you avoid the very direct question of what you both thought in regards to what caused those cars to burn. Let me tell you this. It was NOT the result of a neutron bomb. Did either of you finish school? If it had been a neutron bomb there would have been NO survivors, since they would have all been dead or dying from radiation poisoning. THAT is what a neutron bombs does, in case you missed the discussion. Furthermore, it would have been a matter of MANY things burning and/or turned to glass, not just cars having some scorch burns, and it wouldn't have resulted in a top down collapse of the towers, it would have burst outwards from the point of detonation and caused the entire top section to fall at once. Oh, so again, what caused that to happen, since it wasn't a neutron bomb as that would have killed those people, and most certainly burn that wood and paper if it had been powerful enough to bring down the towers. Like what exactly wudidiz? Again you have answered the question indirectly with another counter question of your own totally ignoring the original question asked. The cars Wudidiz posted... What caused that damage? It was not the pyroclastic cloud . We can rule that out. Taking what we know can not be true and eliminating it from our realm of possibility what do you have left Lurker? What do you think caused the cars to melt and tires to burn while leaving paper, trees , and humans relatively unscathed? Multiple attempts have been made to civilly get your idea on this question. Please do not continue to give run around questions as responses but rather please answer the question as directly as you are able too. What do you think caused the car tires to burn and melt while leaving paper and trees relatively unscathed? _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Uh, no you can't. Just because SOME parts of the flow was not hot enough to burn paper doesn't mean ALL of it was cool. The ONLY thing visible in any pictures or video of the event is the pyroclastic flow. There is NO bright burst of light from the WTC, NO burst visible from the middle of the towers, and no large section of the towers falling at once towards the middle section. AND, if it HAD been a neutron bomb (a very poor choice since it releases so much radiation), there would have been at least SOME sections of the structure fused into glass, and there would have been MANY people dead from radiation. So at this point, all indications are such that the pyroclastic flow was responsible for that heat damage. There are MANY ways which the dust could have turned into a pyroclastic flow. The fact is that just the collapse alone would have generated a huge amount of heat energy. If there were explosives, they would have added to the total heat energy dispersed throughout the debris. And if there were nano-thermite located throughout the building, the debris would have reached intense heat levels, more than likely sufficient to turn the debris into a pyroclastic flow. Nano-thermite HAS been found in debris samples. It didn't get there by chance, luck, or accident. That is the best analysis possible with the available data. To jump to contrary conclusions, especially far fetched conclusions which contradict the available facts and evidence, does not achieve anything, especially when presented with expletives and personal attacks. Tom, here's the info I had posted on a previous thread concerning the radar coverage. It's taken from post 281 of the "How 9/11 Was Done " thread From Plane Swap Over Pennsylvania Southwestern Pennsylvania is covered by a radar station near Clearfield, 100 miles northeast of Pittsburgh. The area lies clearly inside the orange circle, therefore a plane has to be below 5000 ft to avoid radar detection there. Due to the conic shape of the space covered by a radar station, the closer a plane is to the station, the lower it has to fly to be undetected by radar. 4000 ft seems to be a sufficiently accurate estimation for UA 93 when it disappeared from radar southeast of Pittsburgh. The ONLY thing visible in any pictures or video of the event is the pyroclastic flow. There is NO bright burst of light from the WTC, NO burst visible from the middle of the towers, and no large section of the towers falling at once towards the middle section. AND, if it HAD been a neutron bomb (a very poor choice since it releases so much radiation), there would have been at least SOME sections of the structure fused into glass, and there would have been MANY people dead from radiation. So at this point, all indications are such that the pyroclastic flow was responsible for that heat damage. There are MANY ways which the dust could have turned into a pyroclastic flow. The fact is that just the collapse alone would have generated a huge amount of heat energy. If there were explosives, they would have added to the total heat energy dispersed throughout the debris. And if there were nano-thermite located throughout the building, the debris would have reached intense heat levels, more than likely sufficient to turn the debris into a pyroclastic flow. Nano-thermite HAS been found in debris samples. It didn't get there by chance, luck, or accident. That is the best analysis possible with the available data. To jump to contrary conclusions, especially far fetched conclusions which contradict the available facts and evidence, does not achieve anything, especially when presented with expletives and personal attacks. OK I am gonna break this down quote by quote so try and keep up. Just because SOME parts of the flow was not hot enough to burn paper doesn't mean ALL of it was cool. This is some "Alice in Wonderland" Logic. The cloud man not all be cool to the touch but none of it was hot enough to burn paper or more to the point: If you want your magic powder to float on top of those cars and spaces I will not say that in and itself is impossible BUT what I will say is impossible is that magical 1800 degree dust making it's way all the way to the various cars and damage zones without burning anything else in it's windy path Also if magic hot dust is responsible then shouldn't the burn patterns match wind swept dusting? And most importantly since more than one singular method of destruction was employed on that day I have no problem considering the presence of thermite being a possibility. Keep in mind , my "consideration" should in no way imply "conviction". The ONLY thing visible in any pictures or video of the event is the pyroclastic flow. Why that is not true at all sir. What a gross over simplification. After all Part of this pyroclastic cloud would of been a steel spire that turned into dust on film. What makes steel turn into dust?... And the Directions of the dust. Shadowing, angles, re-used actors, inconsistency!! SO VERY MUCH TO SEE... if you can pay enough attention. There is NO bright burst of light from the WTC, NO burst visible from the middle of the towers, and no large section of the towers falling at once towards the middle section. I have never observed any bright flashes of light resembling a nuclear flash in any of the WTC footage. AS FOR LARGE SECTIONS OF TOWERS GOING DOWN SECTIONS AT A TIME..... That is EXACTLY what happened. Anyone can watch it in slo mo or frame by frame. It is a Top down destruction. Section at a time as it was designed to be done... just not in the conventional manner originally suggested. AND, if it HAD been a neutron bomb (a very poor choice since it releases so much radiation), there would have been at least SOME sections of the structure fused into glass, and there would have been MANY people dead from radiation. Immaterial, they were all already dead anyways. Besides maybe these are micro neutron bombs that can release their excess energy in a directional manner? ........ although this really does not sound plausible to me. So at this point, all indications are such that the pyroclastic flow was responsible for that heat damage. You mean the heat damage to the cars and tires I presume. Well, truth be told not all indicators point to that cloud being a super heated monster. IN FACT several indicators would suggest it was not hot enough to burn the surrounding buildings , streets, people, paper, or the cameras recording the pyroclastic event as they got engulfed in it,. There are MANY ways which the dust could have turned into a pyroclastic flow. The fact is that just the collapse alone would have generated a huge amount of heat energy. If there were explosives, they would have added to the total heat energy dispersed throughout the debris. And if there were nano-thermite located throughout the building, the debris would have reached intense heat levels, more than likely sufficient to turn the debris into a pyroclastic flow. Nano-thermite HAS been found in debris samples. It didn't get there by chance, luck, or accident. I don't discount it out of hand, some might but I think the alleged presence of nano thermite bears some merit of consideration . ...Thaaaaat Said.... I have to reiterate}: If the dust was full of 1000c+ particles and those particles floated , still very hot onto them cars and tires and such ,with out burning trees or paper, ..... thats is a problem. The complete lack of a burn path of dust leading to the damage. ..... In conclusion this ^^ direct answer to the question: What do you Lurker, think accounts for the inexplicable damage to the cars and collateral surroundings? .....Or more reasonable and succinctly and quotably put So what in your hypothesis could of caused the cars tires to melt/burn like that ??? Correct me if I am wrong but if I understand you correctly , You think the Nano dust did it regardless of the impossible inconsistencies in the selective burning. I do not believe Super heated Dust floated from ground zero and selectively burned particular portions of motor vehicles. That is the best analysis possible with the available data. In your opinion. You are entitled to your opinions just as I am entitled to my own and the government is not entitled to an opinion because it is a thing. I respect your differing opinion. To jump to contrary conclusions, especially far fetched conclusions which contradict the available facts and evidence, does not achieve anything, especially when presented with expletives and personal attacks. I am not against you. I am just not with you. I do not jump to any conclusions.My conclusions are slow and considered in my judgement. If my conclusion is contrary to yours then I beg your pardon because I only have an incomplete conclusion... which is really no conclusion at all is it. IT is an on going investigation. New things are learned... impossibilities swept aside and the truth is distilled bit by bit as best as can be managed. You wanna know what achieves nothing? Calling other people shills when their is a disagreement. And we disagree with you and many of your conclusions. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Saw those initials defined somewhere on YouTube recently as Negligent Investigators Supporting Terror. Will take me some time to study the info on this subject. Random thoughts for now: Most of the people objecting to any attention being given to the possibility of 9/11 as a Manhattan Project II of sorts probably also object to not enough attention being given by the 9/11 Commission to what happened. Since the WTC is often called Ground Zero and Trinity Place as well as Trinity Church are named at times in commentaries of it, I think it should be noted that Trinity is the code name for the Manhattan Project's test that exposed Americans to after effects. Also there was something called the Port Chicago incident in California that some suspect was another example of Americans being subjected on purpose to such a blast. Have been wondering if any buildings near the WTC were sold leading up to 9/11 -- so as to get out of those properties in the area before risking damages when the Towers came down, rather like Zim Shipping broke its lease to leave its location at the WTC. If so, that might indicate some foreknowledge of the 9/11 disaster. Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
And, iirc, those squibs were pointed out first by webfairy -- a No Planer. Long before Mr. Research "Synthesizer"/Plagiarist, Steven Jones showed up, anyway. Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#141. To: wudidiz (#138)
Fortunately I'm not too stupid to think that the pyroclastic cloud on 9/11 was the same as that of a freekin VOLCANO.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#142. To: wudidiz, Parrot with speed dial (#140)
Not hot enough to burn anyone's skin.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#143. To: wudidiz (#140)
#144. To: FormerLurker (#117)
It was a controlled series of cutting charges that destroyed the supports below the collapsing floors, which allowed minimal resistance to the collapsing upper structure.
#145. To: titorite (#143)
Soooo... I have given thought to that cloud being super heated. It is totally plausible.... till I remember those half melted cars.. on the other side of the island
#146. To: FormerLurker (#142)
Says who? You? Please show me any sort of valid scientific reference which states some pyroclastic flows can be cool enough not to burn someone's skin.
#147. To: BTP Holdings (#145)
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I just can't imagine that there were any exotic exposive devices at ground zero.
#148. To: titorite (#147)
It sounds incorrect to me micro neutron.... but one does still need to disconnect the base but that does not have to be accomplished via nuclear devices like a neutron bomb.
#149. To: BTP Holdings (#148)
#150. To: titorite (#149)
things like evaporating spires
#151. To: BTP Holdings (#150)
I really do not know what you mean here. I've been out of action for quite some time with the meningitis.
#152. To: Shoonra (#44)
The story about a truck full of explosives on the George Washington Bridge ... and the Israeli connection to it ... seems to be a fiction.
It's also conceivable that there were two vans, in which case it could be argued that [NYC Police Commissioner] Kerik's denial of explosives referred to the second, at George Washington bridge
#153. To: titorite, *9-11* (#146)
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Fuck you lying piece of trash.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#154. To: titorite, Lod, RickyJ, tom007 (#146)
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Hey buddy, why are you shitting on truthers?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#155. To: FormerLurker, Lod, titorite, christine (#154)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#156. To: FormerLurker (#155)
(Edited)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#157. To: wudidiz (#155)
It's impressive - the lengths you will go to attempting to win an argument.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#158. To: FormerLurker (#157)
focus
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#159. To: wudidiz (#158)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#160. To: FormerLurker (#159)
You tell me what YOU think burnt those cars.
#161. To: titorite (#160)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#162. To: FormerLurker (#161)
I believe nobody was talking to you or asking you your opinion.
#163. To: titorite (#162)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#164. To: FormerLurker (#163)
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Since you wish to butt into the converstation, let me ask YOU, what do YOU think caused those car's lower sections to burn?
#165. To: FormerLurker (#163)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#166. To: titorite, wudidiz (#164)
So what in your hypothesis could of caused the cars tires to melt/burn like that ???
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#167. To: FormerLurker (#166)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#168. To: FormerLurker (#166)
What do YOU both think caused it? An angry arab with a box cutter?
#169. To: wudidiz (#167)
Exotic weaponry.
To counter this....any number of COINTELPRO and other agents who work lines inside the Truth movement to create doubt,infighting and the hysterical reach.
which affords the label....CT'r Kook.
Anything to break up unity and force everyone into camps with named leaders.
Because it is difficult to parse out who is who,....wisdom says that will be revealed in time.
Someone taking talking points from the Elite and shoveling it on the net or radio will get outted eventually.
Some key on info they can obtain and then peddle Fear....to sell...and to cause divisions.
Pastor Lindsey Williams is one of these.....it never ends.....The Devils Messiah!
If someone is still hanging on after a disclosure like that,....they need to be slapped really hard for their own good.
There are entire Truth radio camps which speak against the others...because they have so and so on regular,....or they do not acknowledge Jesus as Lord,.....or they do not blame all on the Jews.
So ya...we are just screwed...and the bankers are running the table.
#170. To: Parrot with speed dial (#169)
Anything to break up unity and force everyone into camps with named leaders.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#171. To: titorite, wudidiz (#168)
Both he and I had a very spesific question in light of certain evidence.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#172. To: titorite (#168)
That dust was not hot enough to burn skin,wood,or paper yet we have these half melted cars and what not..
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#173. To: wudidiz (#167)
Exotic weaponry.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#174. To: FormerLurker (#172)
Oh, so again, what caused that to happen, since it wasn't a neutron bomb as that would have killed those people, and most certainly burn that wood and paper if it had been powerful enough to bring down the towers.
#175. To: titorite, wudidiz, *9-11* (#174)
It was not the pyroclastic cloud . We can rule that out.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#176. To: tom007, All (#133)
From what I know radar coverage is not total, but maybe 85% from some maps I came across from. FL is this correct in your POV?
For anyone interested, here's a primary radar coverage map of the US. Note the gaps in the New England area, as well as West Virginia.
Each radar station generates a wide conus where all airborne objects are detected. The diagram depicts a horizontal cut through all these conusses at 5000 ft. Everything being at 5000 ft outside the orange and purple areas is not visible on radar screens.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#177. To: FormerLurker (#175)
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Just because SOME parts of the flow was not hot enough to burn paper doesn't mean ALL of it was cool.
#178. To: wudidiz, *9-11* (#0)
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NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology)
#179. To: titorite (#61)
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Good lord I think I can tell you where those squibs are by heart. Thats how many times I have watched this. I know they are present. Thats part of the rub... They are present...
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