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Title: A Brief Summary: WTC Destruction & High Temperature Aftermath: ONLY Nuclear Bombs and the China Syndrome Fit All the Evidence
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Published: Oct 23, 2012
Author: The Anonymous Physicist
Post Date: 2012-11-03 10:28:04 by wudidiz
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Thursday, October 23, 2008

A Brief Summary: WTC Destruction & High Temperature Aftermath: ONLY Nuclear Bombs and the China Syndrome Fit All the Evidence

NOTE: PLEASE DISSEMINATE THIS DEFINITIVE SUMMARY ON THE NUKING OF THE WTC AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE!

by The Anonymous Physicist

In attempting to ascertain what caused the destruction of the WTC on 9/11/01, and the great heat and molten metal observed for up to six months afterward, one must account for ALL the phenomena involved in WTC destruction, and the aftermath-- and not just one or two factors. Only nuclear bombs and the resulting China Syndrome can account for ALL phenomena observed. The overview and numerous supporting articles on the nuclear destruction of the WTC are here: wtcdemolition.blogspot.com But, at the outset, we should realize that there is an abundance of evidence that the O.C.T. (Official Conspiracy Theory) is quite bogus. For example, sworn testimony from firemen/responders contains their witnessing of loud explosions from the onset of tower destruction. This alone destroys the OCT of gravity-driven, progressive collapse.

A brief summary of the nuclear aspects now follows.

1. First, low yield nukes (mini-nukes or micro-nukes) are a proven fact that the U.S Govt has admitted to since the 1950’s with their Davey Crocket rifle, and more recently with a physicist’s testimony to Congress. It is also documented fact that since the 1960’s, and Project Plowshare, low radiation nukes-- and later neutron bombs-- have been available, and were planned for excavation projects and such. My “many small nukes” WTC hypothesis indicates that numerous low yield nukes went off INSIDE (near the center of) the towers. They vaporized anything near them (via million degree temperatures and/or high neutron flux), but the yield of these micro-nukes was deliberately small enough not to vaporize the outer structure. This also ensured that any radiation was contained during detonation. And Plowshare, and neutron bombs, prove low radiation nukes have been available for decades.

2. MASSIVE EVIDENCE of ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSES (EMP) FROM NUKES. This includes the eyewitness, sworn testimony of EMT responder, Patricia Ondrovic (and others). She reported that as WTC1 was beginning to be destroyed, she saw flickering lights in WTC6 lobby where she tried to enter, but was stopped. And just outside at that time, cars caught fire without any visible reason, and one then had its car door explode off of it; and the door hit and injured her as she began to flee the area. Exactly how EMP from nukes did all this is explained here, along with other evidence of EMP during tower destruction from nuclear bombs.

3. DUST PARTICLE SIZE WAS LESS THAN 2.5 MICRONS-- & LIED ABOUT by the Gov’t’s main OCT (Official “Collapse” Theory) engineer/author. You can think of a mortar and pestle, and grinding something large into smaller and smaller pieces. It takes more and more energy input to yield smaller and smaller pieces. A nuclear bomb is known to yield particle sizes down to 10 nanometers. (1 nanometer is 1 billionth of a meter). And Govt scientists had equipment to analyze the WTC dust down to 10-nanometer size, if they wanted to, and should have. Unless they did, and have refused to release this. What they (the U.S. Geological Survey scientists) did was lump together all dust sizes less than 2.5 microns and released this data. (A micron is 1 millionth of a meter, and a thousand times larger than 1 nanometer). Nonetheless, the Govt’s main engineer/author, Z.P. Bazant, numerous times wrote papers that claimed that 10 microns was the smallest sized particles created during WTC destruction, and later collected by USGS scientists. For years he did not cite the work that showed, this. Last year he did cite a reference, and it led back to the 2.5 micron study, NOT to the 10 microns he claimed as the smallest dust particle size! So he flat out committed fraud here. He had to do this as his bogus papers claim that the gravitational potential energy (height times weight) of the towers accounted for the energy needed to create the smallest dust particle size. And there isn’t enough energy from his theory to account for 2.5 micron size dust, let alone the much smaller dust sizes that the USGS did not ascertain or release! The bogus physics and math from Bazant and others is here.

4. MELTED, HANGING SKIN WITHOUT FIRE was reported by at least 4 known WTC survivors. This includes WTC worker Felipe David, whose own words state this occurred without fire, but his story when told by another, has “fire” added. There are also two women who reported (on the “Larry King Show”) that a similar thing happened to them, and they don’t know why, because they too were not in any fire. And there is also a security guard with a similar report. The security guard and Felipe David had this happen to them in the lobby and the sub-basement area of WTC1 respectively. Outside the towers, firemen/responders also felt great heat on their skin without being near any fire DURING TOWER DESTRUCTION. Only the thermal rays of a nuclear bomb can account for this. They go out the farthest when a nuke goes off. And hanging skin was a common occurrence in Hiroshima survivors. Note that the outside firemen feeling heat on their skin (without fire near them) also disproves “DEW”, as they are NOT in the towers nor right under them either, and thus if “directed energy beams did it”, and these must be coherent, they would not diverge and cause heat far from their target! So no “DEW” was involved.

5. SUB-BASEMENT LEVEL, 50-TON STEEL PRESS & HEAVY DOOR VAPORIZED. At the same time as Felipe David’s nightmare was unfolding, and also in the sub-basement, WTC engineer Mike Pecoraro reports going up a level and seeing that a sub-basement level was in shambles and was “just gone.” Also he states a 50-ton press has also been apparently vaporized, and a 300 pound steel/concrete door has just been left shriveled up like foil. The only things that could do this are the multi-million degree temperatures, and neutron bombardment, from a nuclear bomb. Coupling this with the four survivors who had melted, hanging skin at this same time, we have evidence of blast, high temperatures, neutron bombardment and thermal rays-- all virtual proof of nuclear bomb use.

6. HEAT GENERATION AT THE WTC FOR UP TO 6 MONTHS AFTER 9/11- -THE CHINA SYNDROME AFTERMATH (CSA) (see http://wtc-chinasyndrome.blogspot.com) No heat “lingers” for weeks and months, not alleged jet fuel, not alleged thermite (which would have been used up either in minutes or hours--or during its use as an explosive). We have the documented, witnessed, and well photographed and videotaped great heat and molten metal for weeks, and indeed for up to six months underground at the WTC-- until all radioactive fission fragments were carted away. No heat lingers for that long; this could only have been heat GENERATION. The evidence of great heat throughout much of the rubble pile and even higher temperatures underneath the two towers and WTC7 is massive. It included melted firemen’s boots, even dogs had to wear special boots, a mass of congealed bullets in WTC6 going off weeks later from heat, and many photos of steam emanation from the continual water hosing of the “hotspots” all around the WTC. The China Syndrome HAD TO ARISE because each of the numerous small nukes used up only 1-6% of its fissile material-- which is standard for nukes. The remainder was then available as radioactive fragments, releasing great heat for a long time (until removed), as the half-life of Uranium 235 is 700 million years. And it is likely that there were numerous, redundant nukes employed, and the phenomena of "fratricided" and fizzled nukes may also have occurred as these are common with nuclear detonations. These effects likely further exacerbated the China Syndrome. The radioactive fragments were somewhat dispersed throughout the rubble pile, and in greatest concentration underneath the towers and WTC7-- where water and sand treatments could not readily be employed. Note that the alleged Tritium finding that the Govt released, may be a red herring to fool people to look for top-secret unknown types of nukes, which couldn’t have led to the CSA, which is what clearly occurred. The ludicrous lying (“there never was any heat during or after WTC destruction”) or the poor attempts to create new laws of chemistry and physics by alleged 9/11truthers (“super nanocomposite thermite burns forever”) only shows how desperate the Govt is to hide the China Syndrome Aftermath.

7. THE MISSING PEOPLE, FURNITURE, steel & other contents of the towers. Destruction of the towers vaporized many of the nearly 3,000 people who died, as well as much furniture, steel and other building contents. The medical examiner was unable to find or utilize any strands of DNA for over 1100 people. The rubble pile from the two towers was only a couple of stories high when it should have been several times higher from a “collapse,” or even a conventional demolition. There is much missing mass from the “extraordinarily high temperatures” as fire engineering Professor Barnett declared after examining vaporized steel, that occurred during tower/WTC7 destruction. Nukes vaporize matter near their hypocenter. Thermite, thermobarics, etc. DO NOT. Contrary to what some claim, neither thermite nor thermobarics could vaporize the missing people, furniture, steel and other contents, as detailed here.

8. CLASSICAL GOV’T DISINFO METHODS ENSUED whereby their agents put out supposedly “alternative theories” involving alleged “secret, new technologies” that are either evidence-free and/or impossible. Space Beams/DEW (Directed Energy Weapons), or ludicrous “super nanocomposite thermite burns forever” theories were created by the intel agencies to cover up the nuking of the WTC, and the China Syndrome Aftermath. (Thermite cools off in minutes or hours.) These “theories” desperately try to claim new phenomena or new laws of physics and chemistry--as does the 9/11 Commission’s ludicrous “findings.”

9. More now on the issue of Radiation: The #1 item above showed that the Govt has had mini-nukes, and micro-nukes for decades, and that low-radiation yielding nukes have also been around for decades as well. On the other hand, the great heat and molten metal at, and under, the WTC for up to six months after 9/11, indicates the existence of the China Syndrome Aftermath at the WTC; whereby many responders and Metro New York residents may have been exposed to some radiation from radioactive fission fragments that resulted from the use of the many micro-nukes. We have much indirect evidence of the effects of radiation poisoning among the 40,000 responders who were at “Ground Zero” in the weeks and months afterwards. There have been hundreds of reported cases of blood, lymph and thyroid cancers among responders. These types of cancers frequently arise from radiation exposure, and are much less likely (unlike lung diseases) to arise from inhalation of toxins. Also, the teeth and hair falling out reported by several responders are also standard illnesses from radiation poisoning. These responders’ doctors and lawyers are not telling these people that radiation may have caused their illnesses, because the China Syndrome Aftermath remains one of the Govt’s most closely guarded secrets. However, we can see that the Govt itself was well aware of what it had caused! Standard radiation-lowering methods were employed beginning the very next morning-- 9/12/01! These included water dilution/hosing down and sand/earth covering (and subsequent removal of this sand/earth) of the rubble pile. These procedures continued for weeks and months precisely because the rubble pile, and undergound areas, were replete with radioactive fission fragments.

There is some general information on radiation sources that needs elucidation. Due to absorption and other factors, radiation levels can go down quickly-- unless radioactive fragments (radionuclides) are released to the environment. Unless one is close (like Felipe David, who appears to have received thermal radiation, and not ionizing radiation)-- or the radiation is very intense-- enough distance/air or most materials, will stop most forms of radiation. This assumes one does not inhale or ingest radioactive particles or radionuclides. The underground WTC areas-- which likely had the highest radiation yields (and also heat)-- were off limits to all but a few responders. Also, as Hiroshima studies indicated, it took decades for many cancers and other illnesses to manifest. Note that a Gov’t agency, FEMA, was/is in charge of any radiation data for Ground Zero, and could easily have blocked release of any data that found radiation. The U.S. Gov’t has a long, sordid record of lying about radiation exposure to soldiers and citizens, as noted here when they nuked their own soldiers during “atomic tests”.

Honest people, not in DENIAL, must see the analogy to the Reichstag fire set by the German Nazis, in 1933, in Berlin. This was their seat of almost their entire federal gov’t. And this fire/destruction was used as an excuse to destroy their Constitution, and as an excuse for War on “terrorists,” and then all of Europe. There was one difference with the Nazis, however. They waited till the middle of the night, when there were no inhabitants in the Reichstag building! Of course, that German Gov’t did not admit they did it themselves, but that came out after they lost WWII. If U.S. Govt agencies have certain types of proof that they nuked the WTC, and thus its largest city; does any honest person think these Govt agencies would ever release this data--unless a new Gov’t came about? There is reason to believe that other crucial data such as WTC rubble pile temperature (AVIRIS, 2nd set), and WTC destruction seismic recordings were altered. This physicist hypothesizes that WTC responders AND nearby Metro New York residents and workers, that were exposed either the longest or to certain areas with the “hottest”spots face the risk of getting cancer and other immune disorders from radiation exposure in the years and decades to come. Sadly this will prove the China Syndrome Aftermath in the worst possible way. Private persons and institutions are urged to get and keep statistics on this, as the Gov’t will likely cover this up.

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#29. To: HOUNDDAWG (#26)

What it comes down to DAWG is that much of the general public still believes 19 "rag heads" with box cutters brought down those towers. It's hard enough to convince them of the fact those towers were brought down with explosives, and that factions within our own government were involved, without plunging into unfounded speculation on exotic weaponry.

There is more than enough scientific and documented evidence to PROVE that the towers didn't come down due to "fires", nor did WTC7 collapse at precisely free fall speed without controlled explosives involved.

Until there is an impartial investigation of ALL the evidence, with subpeona power and authority to criminally charge those involved, we need to focus on what IS provable scientifically. Otherwise, the chances of convincing enough people that our own government had a hand in these attacks are about as good as hitting Powerball.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-05   14:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: All, *9-11* (#24)

Could be wrong but do suspect that there might have been metal flakes/fragments mixed in the cement which would make it a conductor of an electro-magnetic pulse as well.

The aluminum cladding on the Towers would also be a conductor and might figure in keeping an electromagnetic pulse focused more on them than the surrounding areas but the burned vehicles indicate that something went awry, if that was the plan.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-05   14:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: GreyLmist (#24)

Just out of curiosity, what was this EMP needed for?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-05   14:56:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: FormerLurker (#29) (Edited)

What it comes down to DAWG is that much of the general public still believes 19 "rag heads" with box cutters brought down those towers. It's hard enough to convince them of the fact those towers were brought down with explosives, and that factions within our own government were involved, without plunging into unfounded speculation on exotic weaponry.

There is more than enough scientific and documented evidence to PROVE that the towers didn't come down due to "fires", nor did WTC7 collapse at precisely free fall speed without controlled explosives involved.

Until there is an impartial investigation of ALL the evidence, with subpeona power and authority to criminally charge those involved, we need to focus on what IS provable scientifically. Otherwise, the chances of convincing enough people that our own government had a hand in these attacks are about as good as hitting Powerball.

And who do you think you are to appoint yourself the authoritative September Eleventh judge of what should be investigated and what shouldn't?

Sheesh you sound as bad as the government.

Don't research this , Don't pay attention to that.

You'll forgive us all if we ignore you and continue to see how far the rabbit hole goes despite your demands that we do not investigate the aspects you disapprove of......

And for the record , less then half of the US people believe it was 19 rag heads. What people believe is not the issue. What they can do about it is the issue. You can know the truth all day and still tolerate a liar with a gun to your head... and that is what we have in America. A gun to our heads in the form of the police and military. And if nobody takes action then nothing will ever change.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-11-05   15:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: titorite (#32) (Edited)

And who do YOU think you are to have free reign over this site, attacking posters as you see fit, and plastering disinformation everywhere?

Really, who the FUCK do you think you are?

You're quickly becoming the yukon of Freedom4um.com


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-05   15:42:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: titorite (#32) (Edited)

You lead people on wild goose chases, AWAY from any real hard evidence, distract, disrupt, and overall act like an ass.

Anytime there are valid arguments made, you launch your predictable pattern of attack, trying to dismiss and discredit the person with whom you disagree.

Your ilk is obviously being paid by SOMEONE who is involved in the actual 9/11 attacks themselves, and THAT makes you a co-conspirator.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-05   15:45:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All, *9-11* (#24)

Why are all the Lights off throughout the WTC on 9-11 - Let's Roll Forums

In the negatives, the lights on show up [as] small blue blocks. Other then this, all lights seem to be, well, by and large, absent. And make no mistake, the Towers are dark. Hardly any lights on anywhere. Why?

Another excerpt: 7 lights on. 5 on what appears to be 41 and then 2 lights on 7 floors below it.

7 floors below the 41st would be the 34th, which alleged WTC janitor/"last survivor out" witness William Rodriguez claims (soon after the 1:19:15 mark of the video, 9 11 Mysteries full length-WTC's were planted with explosives!) claims was empty and hollowed out but, during his 9/11 rescue-search, had heard heavy-equipment moving-noises on it; says no one was supposed to be there, even the elevator didn't stop there, and a special access key was required to open the door there. Following his statement in the video, similar noises with machinery sounds and booming in the weeks before 9/11 were allegedly heard on the 98th floor by Scott Forbes who says he checked once later and saw it empty. He reportedly took the day off on 9/11. Just FYI details regarding possible covert activities still ongoing on the 34th floor even after the alleged plane strike and probable demolition preps of some sort in the buildig before 9/11.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-05   15:52:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: FormerLurker (#33) (Edited)

And who do YOU think you are to have free reign over this site, attacking posters as you see fit, and plastering disinformation everywhere?

Really, who the FUCK do you think you are?

You're quickly becoming the yukon of Freedom4um.com

You lead people on wild goose chases, AWAY from any real hard evidence, distract, disrupt, and overall act like an ass.

Anytime there are valid arguments made, you launch your predictable pattern of attack, trying to dismiss and discredit the person with whom you disagree.

Your ilk is obviously being paid by SOMEONE who is involved in the actual 9/11 attacks themselves, and THAT makes you a co-conspirator.

Who am I? I am Titorite. Really. As for me being the Yukon ..... thats rubbish. And you know it.

You are just looking to upset me.

Thats what the ATF or FBI or CIA would do. The government would find emotional weak points someone they wanted to hush and they would exploit those weaknesses to the best of their abilities. You are invoking The name calling just to get me posting from a less rational and more emotional point of view.

Shame on you.

Also I do not lead people on wild goose chases, nor do I tell others that they should not study this or ignore that. Unlike you Lurker, I do not attempt to manipulate or control what others research and discuss. I do not believe in suppressing.

And your last line....

What makes it so obvious I am paid by someone who was involved?

I mean that is a huge , some might even say irrational, jump of conclusions.

SO I am a co-conspirator eh? I guess I better send that cleaning crew to take care you for blowing my cover.

sigh.

This is what disinformation tactics lead too......thats why I loath and discourage using them...... Are we talking about 911? no. we are squabbling back and forth because you don't like what someone has to say. You think my speech should be restricted, my account banned, and probably worse.... The only way for you to win is to continually distract the topics or turn the conversation to the subject of the posters themselves rather than the original subject matter posted. But in behaving like that the side your helping win is not the one you want to be on.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-11-05   16:38:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: FormerLurker (#29)

What it comes down to DAWG is that much of the general public still believes 19 "rag heads" with box cutters brought down those towers. It's hard enough to convince them of the fact those towers were brought down with explosives, and that factions within our own government were involved, without plunging into unfounded speculation on exotic weaponry.

There is more than enough scientific and documented evidence to PROVE that the towers didn't come down due to "fires", nor did WTC7 collapse at precisely free fall speed without controlled explosives involved.

Until there is an impartial investigation of ALL the evidence, with subpeona power and authority to criminally charge those involved, we need to focus on what IS provable scientifically. Otherwise, the chances of convincing enough people that our own government had a hand in these attacks are about as good as hitting Powerball.

Sadly, you're right.

And I just don't see it happening, now that we're a nation of sold out men instead of laws.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2012-11-05   17:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: HOUNDDAWG, 4 (#37)

...we're a nation of sold out men instead of laws.

Absolutely key to our entire CF.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-11-05   17:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: titorite (#36)

I know if I put you on bozo you'd continue to snipe at me, being the cowardly little snit you are.

For now, I'll just ignore you.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-05   17:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: FormerLurker, titorite, 4 (#39)

Old saying, having the last word is not all that it's cracked up to be.

Peace.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-11-05   17:42:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: FormerLurker (#39) (Edited)

I know if I put you on bozo you'd continue to snipe at me, being the cowardly little snit you are.

For now, I'll just ignore you.

See now here? what is this?

You are calling me a coward but you are the one who is afraid that I will "snipe" at you. because I am a snit. ...... and here I thought I was a conspirator.

And the last time you called me a coward was in PM when you were sending me those wonderful love notes. The address I gave you is good. Come down any time, just call first like I asked. Unexpected guests put me at ill ease.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-11-05   18:43:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: titorite (#41)

You're not worth the effort. Go ahead and shit all over the forum, apparently that's what you've set out to do.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-05   20:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: FormerLurker (#42)

You're not worth the effort. Go ahead and shit all over the forum, apparently that's what you've set out to do.

What effort would that be that you are not willing to make? .... I hope you change your mind about making that effort...lazyness will never get anyone very far.

And how do you construe our disagreements to equate to me "shitting" all over the forum? The majority of your interactions with me have been restricted to September Eleventh topics. I reply to alot of other topics too that you never show any signs of interaction with.

George Bush said we should never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories.

Quit listening to him.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-11-05   21:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: wudidiz (#0)

Note that a Gov’t agency, FEMA, was/is in charge of any radiation data for Ground Zero, and could easily have blocked release of any data that found radiation. The U.S. Gov’t has a long, sordid record of lying about radiation exposure to soldiers and citizens, as noted here when they nuked their own soldiers during “atomic tests”.

i don't know who let it out, but i read once or twice that there were high depleted uranium readings at the pentagram for at least a week after 9/11. pentagram also burned for an inordinate amount of time.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-11-06   8:18:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: wudidiz (#0)

More LSD induced garbage?


Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Ford Mustang Forums

Critter  posted on  2012-11-06   9:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Critter (#45)

Pop a couple o doubles and learn about nukes at 9/11.

Good times.


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-11-06   11:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#44)

rense.com

Radiation & Another One
Of Those Endless
911 'Coincidences'...

By Christopher Bollyn
5-8-7


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-11-06   12:04:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: wudidiz (#47)

thanks!

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-11-06   13:23:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: wudidiz (#47)

Radiation & Another One Of Those Endless 911 'Coincidences'...

AMEC Construction Management, a subsidiary of the British engineering firm AMEC, renovated Wedge One of the Pentagon before 9-11 and cleaned it up afterward.

AMEC had also renovated Silverstein's WTC 7, which collapsed mysteriously on 9-11, and then headed the cleanup of the WTC site afterward. The AMEC construction firm is currently in the process of closing all its offices in the United States.

http://rense.com/general76/rad.htm

did a quick search for "amec construction management israel":

Contractor guilty of Pentagon fraud - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
www.post-gazette.com/.../contractor-guilty-of-pentagon-fraud-381474/
Feb 21, 2008 ... A fourth defendant, Joseph Arena Jr. of Maryland, a supervisor for AMEC Construction Management, the company in charge of the $199 million ...

sorry it's not the complete URL, and i didn't read it. my computer is slow, and i was afraid if i tried to link to get the full URL, my computer might freeze.

British Israel World Federation Movement 2
In the late 1930s, the British Israel World Federation Movement's Destiny Magazine published articles identifying September 2001 as the target date for beginning their planned global theocratic state -- a"Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.
" ... www.cephas-library.com/british-israel-2.html

British Israel World Federation - Planned 911 - PROOF LINKED ...
www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message133487/pg2
Sept 17, 2001 = Beginning of Kingdom of God on earth. ... In the late 1930s, the British Israel World Federation Movement's Destiny Magazine ...

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-11-06   13:42:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: FormerLurker (#31)

Just out of curiosity, what was this EMP needed for?

Disintegration of the Towers.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-06   15:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, wudidiz (#49)

Radiation & Another One Of Those Endless 911 'Coincidences'...

AMEC Construction Management, a subsidiary of the British engineering firm AMEC, renovated Wedge One of the Pentagon before 9-11 and cleaned it up afterward.

AMEC had also renovated Silverstein's WTC 7, which collapsed mysteriously on 9-11, and then headed the cleanup of the WTC site afterward. The AMEC construction firm is currently in the process of closing all its offices in the United States.

http://rense.com/general76/rad.htm

did a quick search for "amec construction management israel":

Contractor guilty of Pentagon fraud - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
www.post-gazette.com/.../contractor-guilty-of-pentagon-fraud-381474/
Feb 21, 2008 ... A fourth defendant, Joseph Arena Jr. of Maryland, a supervisor for AMEC Construction Management, the company in charge of the $199 million ...

sorry it's not the complete URL, and i didn't read it. my computer is slow, and i was afraid if i tried to link to get the full URL, my computer might freeze.

Interesting info at those links, thanks. Am activating them here for convenience and including additional research info, some of which reports AMEC's ventures into the business of nuclear consulting:

Radiation & Another One Of Those Endless 911 'Coincidences'...

By Christopher Bollyn
5-8-7

"AMEC Construction Management, a subsidiary of the British engineering firm AMEC, renovated Wedge One of the Pentagon before 9-11 and cleaned it up afterward. AMEC had also renovated Silverstein's WTC 7, which collapsed mysteriously on 9-11, and then headed the cleanup of the WTC site afterward. [Noted at Pentagon and WTC pics: in 2004, AMEC has announced it is totally leaving country] The AMEC construction firm is currently in the process of closing all its offices in the United States."

Contractor guilty of Pentagon fraud - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Feb 21, 2008
By Torsten Ove / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The owner of a McKeesport contracting firm pleaded guilty yesterday in federal court to defrauding the Department of Defense during its emergency rebuilding of the Pentagon after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Thomas J. Cousar, 54, of Monroeville, admitted that his company, Capco Contracting, submitted some $850,000 in false bills to the prime contractor on the project in 2002 and pilfered materials from the site for his own projects in McKeesport -- Tube City Cafe and Chaton's Salon.

Two of Mr. Cousar's managers, Catherine Bradica, 55, of North Huntingdon, and Daniel Monte, 62, of Clifton, Va., pleaded guilty to the scheme earlier this week.

A fourth defendant, Joseph Arena Jr. of Maryland, a supervisor for AMEC Construction Management, the company in charge of the $199 million Pentagon rebuilding contract, pleaded guilty in 2006. His sentencing is set for April 4. Mr. Cousar admitted that Capco performed work on Mr. Arena's waterfront home, including fixing the roof and replacing windows, and billed the Pentagon project for it.

A federal grand jury indicted the four defendants in 2006 in the Pentagon fraud.

[sic]

Yesterday Mr. Garrett detailed a litany of padded bills, falsified documents, tax fraud and kickbacks involving the Pentagon project, called PENREN. AMEC already was doing renovation work at the Pentagon in 2001 when the attacks occurred and retained the contract to fix the building quickly. Capco was one of the subcontractors, doing mostly interior drywall work.

3 contractors sentenced in Pentagon rebuilding fraud - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

April 18, 2009 12:00 am
By Paula Reed Ward / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Daniel Monte, who had done construction work at the Pentagon for five years, watched as a hijacked plane crashed into it on Sept. 11, 2001. The event so impacted him emotionally, he said, that for the entire year after, he worked diligently to ensure that the rebuilding project would be completed by the first anniversary.

And he participated in a scheme that stole more than $800,000 from the Department of Defense and the general contractor.

Yesterday, he and two of the main players in that fraud -- as well as a scheme to overbill projects at PNC Park and the Petersen Events Center -- were sentenced to prison in U.S. District Court.

Thomas J. Cousar, the owner of the now defunct Capco Contracting in McKeesport, was sentenced to serve five years three months in prison.

According to the U.S. attorney's office, Mr. Cousar's company, which did painting and interior construction, submitted more than $800,000 in false time and materials bills to the prime contractor on the Pentagon project.

[sic]

Catherina Bradica, who was the office manager for Capco, was sentenced to 41 months in prison.

Both she and Mr. Cousar, who now live in Alexandria, Va, pleaded guilty to several counts each of mail fraud, major fraud and conspiracy.

Another co-defendant in the case, Joseph Arena [My note: of AMEC Construction Management], will be sentenced on May 1.

Though Mr. Cousar and Ms. Bradica pleaded guilty only to counts relating to the Pentagon project, Judge Lancaster also took into consideration the fraud involving the construction of PNC Park and the University of Pittsburgh's Petersen Events Center.

They will share in paying $1.1 million in restitution owed among all three projects. Mr. Monte must also pay restitution related to the $800,000 fraud at the Pentagon.

Mr. Monte, portrayed as the least culpable of the three, was sentenced to 21 months in prison. He spent several minutes describing in a broken voice to the judge how devastated he was after the attack.

Excerpts from: AMEC - Wikipedia

In 2000, AMEC bought Ogden Environmental & Energy Services[12] and AGRA, Inc., a North American engineering and services company.[13]

In 2004, AMEC was awarded a contract to assist in the reconstruction effort in Iraq, as part of a joint venture with Fluor Corp., and this contract has been completed.[15]

In 2005, AMEC acquired UK-based NNC, a large nuclear consulting company and its subsidiaries, including Ontario-based Nuclear Safety Solutions ('NSS'), the nuclear safety division of OPG, which was spun off when OPG was privatised.[16]

In 2011, the company acquired US-based BCI Engineers and Scientists, Inc.,[31] and announced that it has entered into an agreement to acquire Zektingroup (Zektin), an Australian-based specialist engineering consultancy for the oil and gas and resources industries.[32]

In May 2011, the company announced that it has entered into an agreement to acquire MACTEC, a US-based engineering consultancy company.[33] The acquisition was completed on June 6, 2011.[34]

AMEC's operations are structured into Natural Resources, Power & Process and Environment & Infrastructure.[35]

The Power and Process business designs and builds operating facilities for companies operating in the power generation, pulp & paper, biofuels, renewable energy, and nuclear sectors.

Although AMEC's UK construction business has been discontinued the following construction projects were notable: the Kielder Dam completed in 1982,[41] the Cumberland Infirmary completed in 2001,[42] the M6 Toll completed in 2003,[43] new offices for HM Revenue and Customs at Longbenton completed in 2005,[44] the Docklands Light Railway City Airport extension completed in 2005,[45] the University College London Hospital completed in 2005[46] and the New York Times Building completed in 2007.[47]

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-06   16:59:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Lod, *9-11* (#23)

what melted cars at wtc? rense weighs in -

rense.com/general75/melt.htm

Regarding the toasted vehicles and the destruction of the Towers, after it's been determined that they aren't fully explainable by jet fuel and office fires, conventional demolitions, or even thermite/thermate (nano or otherwise), the remaining options are apparently few: Media fakery to some extent, nuclear weaponry, or some other high-tech WMD.

Referencing your link + related info for research on the issues of the WTC's aluminum cladding, advanced weaponry, etc.:

Rense, 3-22-7: What Melted Cop Cars 7 Blocks From WTC On 911? - Pic and map

Ted Twietmeyer, 3-24-7: What May Have Melted The WTC Vehicles

To come up with a theory to explain "toasted vehicles" at the WTC we need to have a solution that explains the cause of the damage found with these vehicles. It clearly appears that the damage is the result of a weapon, and not the result of an ordinary fire or ignition source.

[sic]

What does an electromagnetic pulse do? First, we need to look at the effects and uses of eddy currents induced by a strong magnetic field. [sic] The stronger the eddy currents, the more heat which will be generated. Although magnetic fields are being created, they are temporary in aluminum because it is not magnetic, but paramagnetic. This means aluminum will be affected by magnetism, but it cannot be magnetized. Water is paramagnetic as well. Almost anything that conducts electricity but will not be attracted to a permanent magnet can be considered paramagnetic. [sic] steel is magnetic and not paramagnetic [sic]

We must answer another question - why would certain vehicles have damage and not others? Why would only certain parts of them be damaged, and other areas remain pristine? The answer lies in magnetic SHIELDING. Magnetic pulses are like other electromagnetic energy, which radiates out from a source in a straight line unless they wrap around back to their source (such as a bar magnet does.) [sic] Evidence is overwhelming that either a nuclear device or advanced weapon technology was used at the WTC. [sic] There may have been a blast wave that hit some of these vehicles in conjunction with a magnetic pulse. A powerful magnetic pulse(s) appears to have taken place, and the source clearly was not at ground level but much higher.

Ted Twietmeyer Update, 3-25-7, at Rense link above: What Melted Cop Cars 7 Blocks From WTC On 911?

It is not currently known whether an EMP was present in conjunction with a magnetic pulse. [sic] My apologies for the typo about the definition of a Giga-watt that passed by me. 1 Giga-watt = 1,000 million watts.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-06   18:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: All, *9-11* (#52) (Edited)

Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia

Non-nuclear EMP has been known since at least 1951.

Protection Against Electromagnetic Pulse

Magnetic shielding materials offer a very high-permeability path for magnetic field lines to travel through, directing them through the thickness of the shielding alloy and keeping them from going where they are not wanted. It is important that the shield should offer a complete path for the field lines, so that they do not exit the material in a place where they will cause unintended interference.Electromagnetic shielding materials are manufactured from high-permeability alloys that contain about 80% nickel; the alloys vary in the composition of their remaining metals. They are usually fabricated as foils or sheets and are baked at 2,000 °F in a dry hydrogen-rich atmosphere to anneal them. Annealing significantly improves a material’s attenuation, that is, its ability to absorb and redirect magnetic fields.[48]

Photo of the aluminum cladding being installed by hand using rope and two construction workers while two other construction workers guide it in place.

Info referenced at various 9/11 research sites:

Alcoa and Save America's Treasures Announce Funding to Conserve the Last Original Model of World Trade Center

PITTSBURGH–(BUSINESS WIRE)–April 21, 2003

Alcoa and the World Trade Center

In the late 1960's, Alcoa was approached to help design a new alloy for the World Trade Center. Alcoa created a unique aluminum "skin" and novel cladding system for the architects. T, a signature lightweight alloy developed by Alcoa for the World Trade Center, is credited with giving many tall buildings around the world their shiny, graceful appearance. Aluminum was used extensively in the construction, including the covering of the trademark Gothic forks around the base of the buildings.

Unable to find other info on that special WTC alloy design by Alcoa. Possibly related:

YouTube: Controlled Demolition of WTC on 9-11 + Thermite Pt 1 of 4

Excerpt from All Comments:

I am a mechanical engineer graduated '04 from USF. I specialized in thermodynamics and materials science. I worked for 3 years doing mechanical design designing sensor housings for bombs dropped from F-18s. My housings were made of 6061-T6 aluminum alloy

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-06   18:40:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: GreyLmist (#51)

Thank you for checking that out. I crashed once, and am running slowly again, but thought I'd try "AMEC DARPA" for the hell of it. These caught my eye.... Don't know yet if DARPA is connected to them:

Rothschild Bankster Timeline, Zionist predators, war, exploitation
www.newsfollowup.com/time...bilderberg_israel_ww3.htm AMEC, a Rothschild connected company did WTC / Pentagon rubble cleanup ( evidence removal). Obama is a Rothschild Zionist controlled President, and see ...

Rothschild Bankster Timeline 1950+ Zionist predators, war ...
www.newsfollowup.com/roth...go_empire_of_the_city.htm AMEC, a Rothschild connected company did WTC / Pentagon rubble cleanup ( evidence removal). Obama is a Rothschild Zionist controlled President, and see ...

then searched "AMEC Rothschild"

AMEC | Our board of directors
www.amec.com/aboutus/our_...board_of_directors.htm?... - Cached - Similar AMEC is committed to reducing its carbon footprint. ... American plc, Chairman of the Tarmac Group and held positions with S G Warburg and N M Rothschild.

I am trying to go through the first one. It's long and I am dragging. Real interested in checking out the other two.

so far i found this:

"....# 1970s AlienScientist AMEC is a major international player in the oil and gas industry, as well as in other natural resource industries. AMEC had a significant presence in Saudi Arabia dating back to the late 1970s, providing support to the national oil company Saudi Aramco, which is by far the richest company in the world. Executives and board members at AMEC include former directors of NM Rothschild, Kellogg, Brown and Root (now Halliburton), and SG Warburg. AMEC board 2012 Simon Thompson He was previously an executive director of Anglo American plc, Chairman of the Tarmac Group and held positions with S G Warburg and N M Rothschild. 2001 Sydney Gillibrand, Jean Monville, David Robson, James Dallas, George Payne, John Early. Jock Green-Armytage, Stuart Siddall, Peter Janson. and Sir Peter Mason on BAE Systems board.... and Sir Peter is currently Chairman of Thames Water and is the senior non-executive director of Subsea 7 S.A. He retired as Chief Executive Officer of AMEC plc in September 2006 and prior to that held a number of appointments in the engineering and construction industry including Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Balfour Beatty Ltd. LaRouchPac BAE Director Sir Peter Mason is the retired chief executive of AMEC plc, a British engineering firm with ties to N.M. Rothschild. YouTube IranContraScumDid911 and FedUpUSA BAE info, Mike Turner.

Notice the antennas directly in the the 'missile' flight path. AMEC did the renovation and restoration of the Pentagon section hit by the 'missile' allowing them to secretly install the antennas.

see NFU Flight 77 page 15

enlarge

# AMEC 2004 Announces Appointment of New Chairman Mr Green-Armytage (John McDonald), for many years a director and non-executive director of NM Rothschild & Sons Limited, has a long track record in the investment banking and private equity sectors. When at NM Rothschild, he was one of the bank’s senior corporate financiers and was a director of its asset management business in the 1990s. "“Jock Green-Armytage (Debretts) has been an invaluable adviser over the last seven years. His appointment brings continuity and an in-depth knowledge of AMEC". annual report 2003

# 9-11Strike AMEC's British partner in the WTC cleanup was Bovis Lend Lease, run by Sir Frank Lampl, a Czechoslovakian immigrant to Britain, who somehow managed to become a British knight according to Bollyn's report. VaticProject Frank Lampl, the "Life President" of Bovis Lend Lease, is a Jew from Brünn (Brno) who emigrated to Britain in 1968. Bovis has done many large jobs in the United States, including the construction management contract for the Atlanta Olympic Games. Lampl's Bovis Lend Lease is a company that has long been engaged in nanotechnology research as well. Since the 1990s, Bovis has been involved in the development of nanotechnology labs, such as those in which the super-thermite used on 9-11 was made. Bovis company archives indicate that the company has been involved in nanotechnology production since at least October 2000. Sir Frank Lampl is also a friend of Ehud Barak, # Bovis Lend Lease is based in London. They have clients in the telecommunications-, health care-, microelectronics- or pharmaceutical companis and the british government. They work for the U.S. Department of Defence or with the Department of Defence in Australia. Other clients are Johns Hopkins Medicine, Massachusetts General Hospital in the United States, Nokia, Lucent, Ericsson, Cisco, Nortel Networks, AT&T, Telstra, IBM, the European Space Agency or Schering-Plough

# AMEC VaticProject completes contract on prior Friday (ostensibly 9/11 is 5 days before re-occupancy), conveniently gets cleanup contract due to on site presence. British AMEC has first Wedge only renovation contract. 9/11 casualties included numerous guidance avionics (BAES - British Aerospace and Electronics Systems), and propulsion (Boeing) experts. see APFN research AMEC

# AMEC London, United Kingdom, (2007) - AMEC has been awarded a five year support services contract by Saudi Aramco to support its massive development programme in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. AMEC's local subsidiary company is King Wilkinson Saudi Arabia Ltd, We have worked for them continuously for over 30 years. 1977... 911Review AMEC, Controlled Cleanup

# SAIC, and Saudi SAIC Hatfill worked together with Jerome Hauer at the SAIC in 1999, who later directed the OEM and built the emergency center, known as "the bunker" on the 23rd floor of Building 7.

# AMEC, Sir Peter Mason,

# BAE Systems: Richard Oliver (TNK BP), Peter Mason: (AMEC, BAE, Acergy (seabed)), Peter Sutherland (Goldman Sachs, BP, WTO, Trilateral, Bilderberg), Sydney Gillibrand: (AMEC, BAE), Rodney Chase (Nalco, BP) Wikipedia search terms: Airbus, put options, Rothschild....."

www.newsfollowup.com/time...bilderberg_israel_ww3.htm

only part way down the page and it is killing my eyes.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-11-06   18:46:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: All (#50)

Excerpt from: Four Hundred Chernobyls Solar Flares, Electromagnetic Pulses and Nuclear Armageddon

Saturday, 24 March 2012 00:00 By Matthew Stein, Truthout | News Analysis

The Congressionally mandated EMP [electromagnetic pulse] Commission has studied the threat of both EMP and extreme GMD [geomagnetic disturbances] events and made recommendations to the US Congress to implement protective devices and procedures to ensure the survival of the grid and other critical infrastructures in either event. John Kappenman, author of the Metatech study, estimates that it would cost about $1 billion to build special protective devices into the US grid to protect its EHV [extra-high- voltage] transformers from EMP or extreme GMD damage and to build stores of critical replacement parts should some of these items be damaged or destroyed. Kappenman estimates that it would cost significantly less than $1 billion to store at least a year's worth of diesel fuel for backup generators at each US nuclear facility and to store sets of critical spare parts, such as backup generators, inside EMP-hardened steel containers to be available for quick change-out in the event that any of these items were damaged by an EMP or GMD.[12]

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-06   18:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#54) (Edited)

Wow. Great finds, ATKHWDI! Thanks for your additional work on that issue. I hadn't even considered that there might be a DARPA connection. Interesting about those antennas in the flight path possibly linked to AMEC's Pentagon renovations. Plan to study your input more thoroughly soon.

Was watching a video recently that showed several fans or something on the roof of a building near the WTC. Can't remember at the moment, though, where I saw that. Not that I was thinking the constructs might be linked to AMEC too, although they could be, but thought maybe there was a slight chance they might have something to do with power generation for the destruction there.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-06   19:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#54) (Edited)

# 9-11Strike AMEC's British partner in the WTC cleanup was Bovis Lend Lease, run by Sir Frank Lampl, a Czechoslovakian immigrant to Britain, who somehow managed to become a British knight according to Bollyn's report. VaticProject Frank Lampl, the "Life President" of Bovis Lend Lease, is a Jew from Brünn (Brno) who emigrated to Britain in 1968.

Have read that Czechoslovakia was a major weapons runner to the Jews during the British Mandate of Palestine. Some of those weapons were probably used against the British there in attacks against them by Zionist terrorists like the Irgun/Stern Gang/Lehi.

AMEC had a significant presence in Saudi Arabia dating back to the late 1970s, providing support to the national oil company Saudi Aramco, which is by far the richest company in the world.

Reminds me of something I read here: AMEC - Wikipedia

AMEC's operations are structured into Natural Resources, Power & Process and Environment & Infrastructure.[35]

The Natural Resources business carries out oil and gas services, oil project management and a growing amount of mining services. The Company has had extensive involvement in North Sea oil rig drilling and production platform design and fabrication. Examples of international projects include contracts to provide oil services to the Kuwait National Petroleum Company[36] and to BP's Azerbaijan international operating company.[37]

Israel's Azerbaijan alliance has been in the news in recent months as a possible base of attack against Iran.

Edited for formatting.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-06   20:04:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: All, *9-11* (#52) (Edited)

Regarding the toasted vehicles and the destruction of the Towers, after it's been determined that they aren't fully explainable by jet fuel and office fires, conventional demolitions, or even thermite/thermate (nano or otherwise), the remaining options are apparently few: Media fakery to some extent, nuclear weaponry, or some other high-tech WMD.

This ponderance of the WTC-destruction evidence does not explain anything about the toasted cars and pulverization of the Towers but does address the possibility of a fakery stunt to perhaps hide something covert during demolition:

The Dust Cloud Trick: we had basically come to the conclusion that they took huge amounts of cement dust and simply loaded the top floors of the towers with as much cement dust as they felt necessary to to do the job of masking the demolition with the dust cloud

Info at that link related topically somewhat to other contractor-research in this thread on renovations at the Pentagon by AMEC (which also was involved in 9/11 clean-ups there, as well WTC 7 renovations and 9/11 clean-ups at the WTC):

http://www.911blogger.com/node/19889

Turner Construction, who supervised the 2000 demolition of the Seattle Kingdome, participated in the post-9/11 Ground Zero clean-up and performed extensive renovations within the World Trade Center towers just prior to 9/11, was in fact performing unspecified renovation work throughout the WTC complex until the very morning of September 11, 2001. The Port Authority of NY/NJ now claims that records describing such work or other projects were destroyed on September 11, 2001. A December 2000 WTC property assessment described required renovation work to be completed within one year, upon steel columns within elevator shafts of both WTC towers that was immediately pending or already underway.

12 employees of Turner Construction were located in an office in the third subbasement of Tower 1, the north tower. Turner had been performing renovation work in various parts of the center and had occupied various office spaces.

Edited to expand AMEC info in parenthesis at paragraph 3.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-06   21:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: GreyLmist (#52)

Media fakery to some extent, nuclear weaponry, or some other high-tech WMD.

The media fakery is obvious.

It was a pysop. so every thing that could be taken advantage of was. Gross miss use of NLP. and props where made with conventions and props were made with unconventionals but the destruction of all the evidence...the disintegration....

and with specific regards to the cars.. choice three... high tech WMD...

only it aint high tech. It is such not well known.... The disintigrator dustified the fascia first... the fascia is the outside aluminium skin coating the steel for those that dont know. Then the asbestos dustified. After the fireproofing turns to dust the steel itself turns to fucking dust.

And what ever it is turns office furnaturs, human beings, cubicals, and steel and asbestos into freaking dust.... that dust was 2 feet deep in some places but slips off hilly inclines so fine was the microns.....

This was not thermite nor nuke... this was something super sick. what the fyuck was it... I have a super hard time with this.... their is a technology out there... it will turn the twin towers into what it was....

It is a hard pill to sallow but the evidence left behind does not fit very many conclusions. what it fits I dislike.

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titorite  posted on  2012-11-06   22:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: GreyLmist (#50)

Disintegration of the Towers.

Uh huh. And how did it choose to sequentially destruct each floor, from top to bottom? Shouldn't it have just caused the entire tower to disintigrate all at once?

In fact, if it were an EMP pulse, how exactly would it transfer electromagentic energy into kinetic energy?


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FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-07   0:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: FormerLurker (#60)

Disintegration of the Towers.

Uh huh. And how did it choose to sequentially destruct each floor, from top to bottom? Shouldn't it have just caused the entire tower to disintigrate all at once?

In fact, if it were an EMP pulse, how exactly would it transfer electromagentic energy into kinetic energy?

Scoffing isn't going to explain the pulverization kinetically as conventional demolition only with some thermite/thermate mixed in. I haven't suggested that conventional demolitions weren't used at all to sequentially destruct the floors. If an electromagnetic prep pulse had gone on long enough to disintegrate the Towers all at once, probably it would have been harder to snooker people into thinking that they fell from plane strikes and fire damage.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-07   17:15:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: titorite (#59) (Edited)

At this point, I suspect that the aluminum cladding may have acted as a shield to contain a magnetic pulse. I suspect that what we've been told was a steel beam bent into a curve without cracking by the weight of the demolished structures may have been fabricated in that shape as part of a magnetic directional control device. Just a thought but do agree that it was a psyop by whoever and that it included Media Fakery. There is much supporting evidence that floors of the Towers were hollowed out for demolition preps under the guise of renovations for tenants. If exotic weaponry was involved at the WTC, as evidence such as the toasted vehicles indicates, I suspect too that it might not have been from America's arsenal. Not sure what you meant by "Gross miss use of NLP"/Neuro-linguistic programming? What's your view on that?

Edited to shorten sentence 2.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-07   18:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: GreyLmist (#62)

Gross miss use of NLP"/Neuro-linguistic programming? What's your view on that?

Yes Neuro Lingustic programming. Brain washing. It should be used for good and ethical reasons . On 911 with was used to manipulate a nation.

And as a look so close at all the pictures... especially this one

It is turning to dust mid air... first the outter layers turn to dust... then the asbestos, then the steel itself... some of those blobs in the air.... that is the metal in some kind of molten state... only that is not molten metal... it is in some state of change in it's physical properties .. that is certain... and by the time it reaches the ground it will be dust.

So yeah... a mix of things was in that bag on that day... conventionals, exotics... and so on and so forth...

and personally I think it was the bush cabal.... the money leads back to them and the isrealis they paid off to help them. IMHO

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-11-07   18:23:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: titorite (#63) (Edited)

Yes Neuro Lingustic programming. Brain washing. It should be used for good and ethical reasons . On 911 with was used to manipulate a nation.

I agree that brainwashing was used to manipulate our nation on 9/11 and still is on that subject these many years since. Find it hard to think of brainwashing in terms of any good and ethical reasons.

I've seen film of the WTC disaster area that strangely looks to get worse through the weeks and months after 9/11. Don't know if it's doctored film to manipulate public perceptions or what but, on the pic you posted, could be there was some sort of molecular dissociation in-process; maybe from an electromagnetic pulse.

Edited for spelling.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-07   19:32:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: titorite (#63)

and personally I think it was the bush cabal.... the money leads back to them and the isrealis they paid off to help them. IMHO

The money trail does point largely in their directions, according to the research on it that I've seen:

4um 9-11 Follow the Money find the criminals

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GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-07   19:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: GreyLmist (#64)

That pic is a bill baggert. It is by large considered totally authentic by all. If you know bills story then you know he took some very VERY interesting 911 pics in the last moments of his life. Pics that reveal the lies. God bless him.

Anyways yeah that is the aluminum asbestos and steel turning into a different physical state before all our eyes... their are clear cutter charge marks on that falling debres too.

One can conclude that they wanted some bigger chunks to hit the ground intact because they could of dustified the whole thing from the looks of it... if that was the will and intent it would of happened. ..yaup... a few big chunks to make it look good ..... deceitful villains.

All we can do is tell our children the truth and learn em on how to shot a gun.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-11-07   19:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: titorite (#66)

One can conclude that they wanted some bigger chunks to hit the ground intact because they could of dustified the whole thing from the looks of it... if that was the will and intent it would of happened. ..yaup... a few big chunks to make it look good ..... deceitful villains.

Sounds to me like a reasonable conclusion.

I do vaguely recall now having heard a story of a photographer who died on 9/11.

While trying to study the subject of molecular dissociation some, I found published info on it dating back to 1932. Other examples of scientific works were dated 1941, 1967 and 1976. This is an example of a recent patent:

MOLECULAR DISSOCIATION APPARATUS AND METHOD

A molecular dissociation apparatus and method for the dissociation of target molecules into two or more different molecules, atoms, ions, and/or radicals by alternately constructively or destructively interfering with the target molecule's frequency of vibration until its threshold frequency is reached. According to the present invention, there is provided a molecular dissociation apparatus comprising a reaction chamber comprised of a reaction vessel having a reaction space; sensing means operably connected to the reaction chamber; an oscillating electrical source; an oscillating magnetic field generating assembly for imparting an electromagnetic, usually infrared frequency, pulse to a target molecule within the reaction space; an optional photon pulse emission system; and a controller operably connected to all other components for controlling operational parameters.

I still think Christopher Bollyn's research dating back to February 2002 is highly probable:

4um Title: Mini-Neutron Bombs A Major Piece of the 9-11 Puzzle - Posts 180 and 181

Post 182 has recent reports of Boeing Directed Energy Weaponry. Post 183 was a reply to you concerning radar info.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-07   21:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: All (#67) (Edited)

Christopher Bollyn's research dating back to February 2002

Cross-referencing Posts #180 and #184 at 4um Title: Mini- Neutron Bombs A Major Piece of the 9-11 Puzzle

Edited a typo and added quoted section above.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-23   15:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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