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Title: God: "Jacob I loved but Esau I hated"
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URL Source: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb980916.htm
Published: Nov 3, 2012
Author: Rom. 9:11
Post Date: 2012-11-03 21:18:30 by Itistoolate
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Rom. 9:11 God: "Jacob I loved but Esau I hated" The Jewish Encyclopedia,1925 edition, vol. 5, p. 41, says:"Edom is in ModernJewery." The Esau-Edomite nation ... "Thus dwelt Esau in Mount Seir; Esau is Edom."
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#1. To: Itistoolate (#0)
Often used as evidence for predestination as Esau did nothing to incur God's wrath. His flaw was that he was not foresighted enough to lead the nation.
Let me get this straight, you are challenging God?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken The word used for “hate” in Malachi 1 is a Hebrew idiom which actually means to love less.
that's really, really good! Thanks. i found the next parts: www.bible.ca/ef/expository-romans-10-1-3.htm Continuing Series On Romans 9-11 Romans 10 Part 2 of 3 www.bible.ca/ef/expository-romans-10.htm Continuing Series On Romans 9-11 Romans 11 Part 3; Final Installment www.bible.ca/ef/expository-romans-11.htm excerpt: "....Verse 26 has been the center of much discussion: "And so all Israel will be saved ..." If you just concentrated on this statement, without the aid of any context, your conclusion might be: Paul is saying that every single Jew will eventually be saved! Indeed, this is the interpretation followed by teachers of premillennialism. They talk about the "final restoration of Israel;" that before Christ establishes His kingdom on earth the Jews will be restored to their former position as God's chosen people and all of them will be saved. They cite this verse as proof. Of course, the whole premillennial program is in error; it conflicts and clashes with scripture on a number of points, chief of which is the fact that the kingdom has already been set up, and Christ is now reigning. But when premillennial teachers speak of the "final restoration of Israel," they cite Romans 11:26 -- "And so all Israel will be saved." And just the statement, without context, may seem to say this, that every single person who is a Jew will eventually be saved. But - this cannot be what Paul is saying, because all through these three chapters he has argued JUST THE OPPOSITE. God doesn't confer salvation on nations, but on individuals who choose to obey Christ, Jew or Gentile. Remember "WHOSOEVER" calls upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved, or as explained back in chapter 6 - those persons who obey from the heart that form of doctrine (the gospel) --- THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE SAVED. So God doesn't accept and save somebody, by virtue of their race: "ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED" cannot mean that. But further, if this meant the eventual salvation of every single Jew, that would make God a respecter of persons; it would make Him partial to a people due to their genealogical background. In the house of Cornelius, Paul said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whosoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him," (Acts 10:34,35). For these reasons we just cannot accept the interpretation that this phrase means -- God will eventually save every single Jew. Here is an approach to this phrase that is supported by the context. Sometimes, this little word "so" is equal to "therefore," -- it introduces a conclusion. But, not always !! Those with scholarly credentials in Greek tell us, the word is sometimes an adverb of manner meaning, in the same way, or in like manner. I believe this is the way the word is used, in Rom. 11:26. I don't think Paul is stating a conclusion; I think he is saying -- all, of Israelite blood who are saved will be saved IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE GENTILES !! This phrase does not teach the eventual salvation of every Israelite. It teaches that all Jews who are saved will be saved in the same manner as anybody else --- by responding to Christ (obeying the gospel). A good parallel passage: "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, we shall be saved in the same manner as they," (Acts 15:11). ......" www.bible.ca/ef/expository-romans-11-33-36.htm AKA Stone needs to see this. Maybe the Rev. Berkeley can get through to him. I couldn't. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
The Jim Traficant Story; Victim of Zionist(Edom/Esau) Washington DC
I like Jim Traficant. My computer is running slow, about to crash. Let me get some things off, reboot, and I will watch it. Remember what one of those articles above said about God "saving a remnant who had not bowed the knee to Baal". Who was it who said, "if God had not left us a REMNANT, we would have been like Sodom and Gomorrah"? See also: Amos 9:11 ....I will raise up the "tabernacle of David".....[He was looking down the road to the church]. 12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this. bible.cc/amos/9-12.htm A remnant will be saved. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
under Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary "...A remnant of Edom became Jews under John Hyrcanus, and the rest amalgamated with the Arabians, who became Christians subsequently...." Interesting. see YouTube: "Zionist Wars Are Destroying Christianity In the Middle East" Revelation 20:7-10 Who is Gog and Magog? mysite.verizon.net/ress8o...andmagogwellitaintrussia/ What was that Jesus said about them traveling land and sea to make one proselyte, and then made them twofold the children of hell that they themselves were. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
not to negate the teachings of Rev. Berkeley. They can still be saved. Grace, not race.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Keep telling yourself that. I know it must not feel good to have scripture not line up with your beliefs, but that is the way it is. Jakob Arminius invented what you believe in the 16th century. Jesus did not die for every soul that has ever lived. He died for his elect, which can not be numbered.
If Abraham can do it, then so can I.
1 Timothy 2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
When any quote doesn't sound right (to me), I try to find it's context to help me make more sense of it.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken The Greek word "pas", which is translated as "all", has different uses depending on context. It doesn't mean "all" as all men everywhere at any time. If it did, then Jesus is dying for Esau, whom he hates.
That is one disgusting, maddening, frightening story. But you can call them Esau/Edom, I will still call them Gog and Magog: http://mysite.verizon.net/ress8o...andmagogwellitaintrussia/ "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Rom. 9:11 God: "Jacob I loved but Esau I hated"
#2. To: Ada (#1)
#3. To: Itistoolate, Ada, 4 (#0)
good commentary to help with one of Paul's most confusing letters -
#4. To: Itistoolate (#0)
#5. To: Lod (#3)
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#6. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#5)
#7. To: Itistoolate (#6)
#8. To: Itistoolate (#7)
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#9. To: Itistoolate (#8)
#10. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#4)
The word used for “hate” in Malachi 1 is a Hebrew idiom which actually means to love less.
#11. To: Itistoolate (#2)
Let me get this straight, you are challenging God?
#12. To: echo5sierra (#10)
#13. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#5)
#14. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#12)
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
#15. To: Itistoolate (#6)
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