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Title: Who Rules the World
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Published: Nov 10, 2012
Author: Pablo
Post Date: 2012-11-10 17:25:37 by pablo
Keywords: government, Rules
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Amazing, is it not? No matter who gets elected, or who 'comes to power,' nothing changes..... except that the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. Oh, and, of course, there are more and more poor in every country. Yet people continually 'believe,' if we just get out more voters..... we can change SOMETHING! And everyone has a different idea of what that SOMETHING should be. In other words, no one has a clue as to what needs, or CAN, be done.

Well, maybe perhaps someone has a clue, if anyone is listening.

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. (King James Version - KJV)

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a Kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the Kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. (21st Century King James - 21KJ)

Why is this new government necessary?

Jeremiah 10:23 O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. KJV

Jeremiah 10:23 O Lord [pleads Jeremiah in the name of the people], I know that [the determination of] the way of a man is not in himself; it is not in man [even in a strong man or in a man at his best] to direct his [own] steps. Amplified Bible (AMP)

Not very hard to understand if you simply look around you at the current condition of the world. And things, very obviously, are getting worse. Fast.

Man was not designed to rule himself. This was shown in the Garden of Eden with the very first man. Did Adam make his own rules? No. His rules came from his Heavenly Father. (Luke 4:38) Thus, his government was a Heavenly government, or, if you wish, a Heavenly Kingdom. (2 Timothy 4:18)

Did this somehow change? Absolutely not! (Malachi 3:6)

This was also demonstrated with the Israelites, or Jews, if you prefer. When our Heavenly Father led them out of Egypt, He was there King, but, they rejected Him.

1 Samuel 8:7 And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. KJV

1 Samuel 8:7 And the Lord said to Samuel, Hearken to the voice of the people in all they say to you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me, that I should not be King over them. AMP

And so our Heavenly Father was rejected, for a second time, from ruling over His children, in favor of a visible, earthly king. And we all know how well that worked out for the Israelites/Jews. Kind of reminds us of what is going on today in this world. Or at least it should.

Since man has never had the ability to rule over himself, it should not come as a surprise that man has a ruler, even if man does not understand or accept that fact. Now, do we have a witness who has given us knowledge about this ruler that we can trust.

Of course we do. That witness is Jesus himself. The Faithful Witness. (Rev. 1:5)

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: KJV

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: 21KJ

Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. KJV

Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. 21KJ

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: KJV

Matthew 25:41 “Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 21KJ

So Jesus spoke about Satan the Devil, and, his words have been faithfully recorded for us to help us to understand what is happening on this earth.

Do we have another Witness in the Bible. Of course. EVERYTHING in the Bible has multiple witnesses to it! That is a part of the foundation Law of our Heavenly Father!!

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. KJV

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons (the angels) of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan (the adversary and accuser) also came among them.

7 And the Lord said to Satan, From where did you come? Then Satan answered the Lord, From going to and fro on the earth and from walking up and down on it. AMP

We are given a second, and important witness to this, also in the Book of Job.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. KJV

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God [the angels] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan (the adversary and the accuser) came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

2 And the Lord said to Satan, From where do you come? And Satan (the adversary and the accuser) answered the Lord, From going to and fro on the earth and from walking up and down on it. AMP

The Bible, and Jesus himself, clearly shows that Satan the Devil is a very real spirit creature. And yes, I have seen the Bible teaching that Satan is simply a part of our Heavenly Father, but that contradicts what the Bible teaches, for example, that there is no unrighteous in Him. Psalms 92:15, Rev. 4:8. And that He does not act wickedly; James 1:13, 14; Job 34:10-12.

Now, does the Bible teach us anything else about Satan the Devil? Oh, my, yes!

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. KJV

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking Him up onto a high mountain, showed unto Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6 And the devil said unto Him, “All this power will I give Thee, and the glory of them; for this has been delivered unto me, and to whomsoever I will, I give it. 21KJ

What does Satan have? He has ALL of the authority over ALL of the kingdoms, or governments, of this earth. This is confirmed in Daniel 10:13 & 20. Here, and angel of the True God came to visit with Daniel, at the request of Daniel, but the Prince of Persia was standing in opposition to the angel. Since a man can not stand in opposition to someone that he can not see, we understand that the Prince of Persia was a demonic angel, trying to stop the our Father's angel from seeing Daniel. Verse 20 confirms this, and also: "Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come."

Do we have other witnesses in the Bible to this? Yes, we do.

In the words of Jesus;

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. KJV

John 14:30 I will not talk with you much more, for the prince (evil genius, ruler) of the world is coming. And he has no claim on Me. [He has nothing in common with Me; there is nothing in Me that belongs to him, and he has no power over Me.] (AMP)

The most common translation of this verse uses the word 'ruler of this world.' The context clearly indicates that this is correct.

You may also read about this in John 12:31 and John 16:11.

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. KJV

2 Corinthians 4:3 But even if our Gospel (the glad tidings) also be hidden (obscured and covered up with a veil that hinders the knowledge of God), it is hidden [only] to those who are perishing and obscured [only] to those who are spiritually dying and veiled [only] to those who are lost.

4 For the god of this world has blinded the unbelievers’ minds [that they should not discern the truth], preventing them from seeing the illuminating light of the Gospel of the glory of Christ (the Messiah), Who is the Image and Likeness of God. AMP

Every Bible calls Satan the god of this system, or governance, of things. He is 'the ruler.' Is it any wonder, that no matter who gets elected, nothing changes? Of course not, for the real power, behind the throne, can only be affected by a power greater than his. The power of our Heavenly Father. Let us look at one more Bible witness.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: KJV

Ephesians 2:2 In which at one time you walked [habitually]. You were following the course and fashion of this world [were under the sway of the tendency of this present age], following the prince of the power of the air. [You were obedient to and under the control of] the [demon] spirit that still constantly works in the sons of disobedience [the careless, the rebellious, and the unbelieving, who go against the purposes of God]. AMP

Interesting, is it not?

Proverbs 24:21 My son, fear thou the Lord and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change: KJV

Proverbs 24:21 My son, [reverently] fear the Lord and the king, and do not associate with those who are given to change [of allegiance, and are revolutionary],

Everyone wants change. Why? Perhaps because they have no faith in our Heavenly Father and His Purposes, which are close to being fulfilled. Perhaps we can visit about what Jesus meant when he said, you are no part of the world (of Satan), and understanding may begin. Of course, you might think about this, and about what it means to do an act of worship to Satan (Luke 4:7). And what it means to participate in any part of his system of things (Would voting for his candidates come to mind, and, why nothing changes no matter who gets elected? Think deeply about it, please.)

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#1. To: pablo (#0)

The Khazarian Conspiracy that rules the World

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-11-10   17:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: pablo (#0)

Welcome.

Good post, thanks.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-11-10   17:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Lod (#2)

Thank you.

pablo  posted on  2012-11-10   22:32:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: pablo (#0)

I find your verse by verse bible study to be very interesting but it ingores one thing. This world system is ruled by Satan the Devil through the SYNOGOGUE OF SATAN (Mentioned in Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9) and his FOUR HIDDEN DYNASTIES:

1. Debt/Usury economics
2. Illuminati (World Human Rule) Politics
3. Education including the "entertainment" and "news" media
4. False Religions

The operators of these four hidden dynasties are Biblically called KENITES and are hidden out mainly amongst the Jews causing virtually all of the trouble that the Jews in general get the blame for.

These KENITES are a spirit/flesh hybrid race similar to but smaller than the giants of Genisis 6 that resulted from mother Eve catting around with Satan the Devil as a part of the Sin in the Garden falsely known as "original sin" and creating the murderer Cain, the first KENITE as a result. (The TRUE Original Sin was Satan's rebellion that occured at the end of the First Earth Age. The First Earth Age is billions of years old and contains the times like the Cambrian, Devonian, Permian, Jurasic and other geological periods of the Fossil Record as evidence of its existance.)

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Coral Snake  posted on  2012-11-11   3:01:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: pablo (#0)

I would assume by this article that you are a Jehovah's Witness. I'll be honest that I used to judge such things but since I have started following the teachings of another church considered a "cult" by most Christians, (Shephard's Chapel pastored by Arnold, Dennis and David Murrey) I no longer make such judgements as they strongly discouraged by Shepherd's Chapel.

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Coral Snake  posted on  2012-11-11   3:09:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Coral Snake (#4)

but it ingores one thing

Actually, it ignores nothing, I assure you. I made no mention as to how Satan rules the world. In the book of Job, in chapter 1, versus 15 & 17, you can see clear reference to different tribes of people who directly served Satan. It is interesting to note that the second of those tribes, the Chaldeans, founded Babylon, the root source of all false religion and false religious teachings on the earth.

You can also go to Genesis 3:1,2 & 4 and clearly read about how the SONS of the True God came to the earth and had relations with the daughters of men.

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

Since everything that was happening in the days of Noah are now happening once again, according to Jesus himself, why would I claim differently than what he taught us? And, since he showed us a better way, why would it be important to me as to how Satan rules? My faith is in Jesus and our Heavenly Father; it has nothing to do with Satan and his works. James 4:7; Psalms 34:7; Psalms 92:7.

If you read those three versus, think deeply on why they are all numbered 7, please.

My friend, I have found that those who concern themselves unduly with Satan and his works find themselves being affected by Satan. Generally speaking, this effect shows up in hatred and ego. Please be careful. On the other hand, those who concern themselves only with Jesus and his teachings are also affected, but in a VERY positive way. John 7:16-18

The above verses, once again, will show you something about anyone who teaches something that is not clearly taught in the Bible. Matthew 12:30

pablo  posted on  2012-11-11   9:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Coral Snake (#5)

I would assume by this article that you are a Jehovah's Witness

And why would you assume that? Are you thus claiming that no one else has Bible knowledge?

I am flattered, actually, as the Biblical knowledge of the Jehovah's Witnesses is well known. To be ranked beside them is a true compliment. Thank you.

pablo  posted on  2012-11-11   9:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: pablo (#7)

I am flattered, actually, as the Biblical knowledge of the Jehovah's Witnesses is well known. To be ranked beside them is a true compliment.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. They don't believe Jesus Christ is God.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-11-11   10:27:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: pablo (#7)

Very nicely written pablo!

Welcome to 4um!

Too many Christians today don't seem to understand that Satan rules the kingdoms of the Earth, including the USA. I would like to hear your thoughts on Romans 13:1-7 as well if you don't mind.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-11-11   10:35:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, pablo, 4 (#8)

“Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves” (Matthew 10:16, KJV).

We need to study for ourselves and beware those that are pimping their brand.

Brands are purely an invention of man, and I avoid them.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-11-11   10:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: pablo (#0)

Who Rules the World

Me. I rule the world. Now make me some coffee.

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Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-11-11   11:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: pablo (#0)

What does Satan have? He has ALL of the authority over ALL of the kingdoms, or governments, of this earth.

I enjoyed your article. Thank you! but I also disagree with the above, and if you believe Jesus, and think about it a little more, I believe you will as well:

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. bible.cc/matthew/28-18.htm

Satan had authority until Christ knocked him and his "old world order" down.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

“My kingdom is not of this world.” What did Jesus mean?

He [was] heir to the throne of King David. Wise men had recognized Him as a King at birth. The people proclaimed Him the highest son of David when He entered Jerusalem.1 He preached a kingdom at hand2 and told us to do the same.3 He took,4 gave,5 and appointed6 the Kingdom.

The Kingdom had been on earth from generation to generation.7 It was already there when He said He was going to take it away from the Pharisees and appoint it to the little flock and then He did.....

".... The word 'world' in John 18:36 is translated from the word ‘kosmos.’ Some might think that kosmos is like the modern word cosmos, and therefore means the whole universe, but that was not its common use at the time. Kosmos in Greek had the sense of an orderly arrangement, and the Romans were the New World Order arrangement of their day. From that word the Greeks produced other forms, such as the Homeric kosmeo, used in reference to the act of “marshaling troops.”17

From the Greek and Roman point of view, the “... encroachment of one opposite on another was spoken of as injustice, (adikia) and the due observance of a balance between them as justice (dikê). The later word kosmos is based on this notion, too. It meant originally the discipline of an army, and next the ordered constitution of a state.”18

The word kosmos is defined in Strong's Concordance as an “orderly arrangement” and in another Greek concordance as "an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government."19

Was Jesus simply telling Pilate, who was sitting in the judgment seat, “My Kingdom is not a part of your constitution, order, or government and you have no jurisdiction to judge Me or My Kingdom”?.....

Why was Jesus’ kingdom not a part of that world? Because the Kingdom of God is and was not a part of the constitutional order of Rome, which by that time in history was exercising authority over the people who applied(or prayed) to it for their benefits and welfare.

Rome had gone from a free republic to an Empire. A once independent and self reliant society had become self indulgent, apathetic, and subject to the whim and will of their chosen Dictators, who called themselves Fathers and benefactors of the people.

Those benefactors forced contribution by the people to provide the welfare for the people by taxation of the people through their system of Roman Qorban or the Herod's Corban,47 which made the word of God to none effect.48 Society has always been required by God to make sacrifices to assist the needy of society, but that sacrifice must be freely given to be truly godly and qualify as true charity.

“Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.” James 1:27

In Jesus' Kingdom, the needy of society were provided for through freewill offerings of the people who professed Him as King, and God as their Father. His sheep were fed according to the perfect law of liberty, by faith, hope, and charity. It was the world of Rome and the Pharisees that made the provisions of society a blemish on its moral character....."

http://www.hisholychurch.net/news/articles/world.php

Mark 3:22And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. 23And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? 24And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. 27No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

http://kingjbible.com/mark/3.htm

Satan was bound. His only authority now is to DECEIVE. Revelation 20:7-10.

"....Governments have no inalienable right to rule mankind. They obtain lawful authority through consent. Understanding how that consent is obtained is the first guardian of freedom.

“The real destroyers of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations, and benefits.” 44For “No one is obliged to accept a benefit against his consent. But if he does not dissent, he will be considered as assenting.”45 “Every man is presumed to intend the natural and probable consequences of his own voluntary acts...."

See Parens Patriae

http://irwinschiff.homestead.com/JoyceRosenwald.html

of course CorpUSA/ADL DECEIVE us and hold a gun to our heads to make us "consent".

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-11-11   12:44:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#12)

Who Rules the World?

The Kingdom had been on earth from generation to generation.7 It was already there when He said He was going to take it away from the Pharisees and appoint it to the little flock and then He did.....

Revelation 5:9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

kingjbible.com/revelation/5.htm

"...Read ²±Ã¹»µÅ¿Åù½ they reign. Their reigning is not future, but present....."

"....we shall reign on the earth-This is a new feature added to Re 1:6. Aleph, Vulgate, and Coptic read, "They shall reign." A and B read, "They reign." Alford takes this reading and explains it of the Church EVEN NOW, in Christ her Head, reigning on the earth: "all things are being put under her feet, as under His; her kingly office and rank are asserted, even in the midst of persecution."...."

bible.cc/revelation/5-10.htm

While we slept, we have let satan deceive us into handing our kingdom over to him...but that won't stand.

time to wake up: Isaiah 52.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-11-11   13:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)

They don't believe Jesus Christ is God.

I understand that. Neither do I. And the King James Bible is VERY clear on this matter.

Colossians 1:15 King James Version (KJV) 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

The basis of the word creature is created.

Psalm 90:2 King James Version (KJV) 2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Almighty God was not created and has no beginning nor end. Anyone who is created, by definition, can not be Almighty God.

I just love the King James Bible!!

Of course, you, as is true of everyone, will believe whatever you wish to believe. But a loving Father does not confuse His children, by using words such as "my Son, the beloved," in order to test them.

pablo  posted on  2012-11-11   15:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: RickyJ (#9)

Thank you.

pablo  posted on  2012-11-11   15:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Lod (#10)

We need to study for ourselves and beware those that are pimping their brand.

Actually, my friend, we are instructed in the Bible to accept guidance.

Acts 8:30 King James Version (KJV) 30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

BUT, we are also instructed to check VERY CAREFULLY that what we are being shown is correct!

Acts 17:10 King James Version (KJV) 10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

In verse 11, these men who were listening to the Apostle Paul did not accept what he said and taught without carefully checking in the Scriptures to be sure that what they were hearing was the Truth. John 17:17

We are also taught in the Scriptures how to tell the difference between false teachers and teachers of the Truth. Please read Matthew 7:15-24. By the actions manifest in the lives of the people who listen to false teachers, you can tell if they are true or false teachers.

pablo  posted on  2012-11-11   15:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#11)

Me. I rule the world. Now make me some coffee.

Done. Why aren't you drinking it!?

pablo  posted on  2012-11-11   15:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#12)

I enjoyed your article. Thank you! but I also disagree with the above, and if you believe Jesus, and think about it a little more, I believe you will as well:

I did not have to read further than this to understand why I could not agree with you. What is meant in the Bible when it refers to the earth? and the sea? For instance, in Rev. 12:12?

Genesis 11:1 King James Version (KJV) 11 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

Pretty clear, is it not? In the Bible, when it talks of the earth being destroyed (Ecc 1:4; Psalms 104:5), it is talking about the destruction of unGodly people, who will not listen or obey. John 15:14

Isaiah 57:20 King James Version (KJV) 20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

There is a lot more to Bible understanding than simply quoting Scriptures. You first must understand the basis of the Bible; that of a loving Father and His Purposes for the planet, Genesis 1:28, and for us, Psalms 115:15, 16.

The blessing in Psalms 115:15 comes from Genesis 1:28. You can also read about that blessing in Deu 30:14, Isaiah 65:23; Matthew 23:39; Matthew 25:34. That blessing, once spoken, can never end. Isaiah 55:11. Psalms 37:29

pablo  posted on  2012-11-11   15:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: pablo (#14)

They don't believe Jesus Christ is God.

I understand that. Neither do I.

well then.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

bible.cc/isaiah/9-6.htm

King James Version

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. bible.cc/john/1-1.htm

. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. ....

http://kingjbible.com/john/1.htm

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Exodus 32:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. bible.cc/exodus/33-20.htm -

Who do you suppose Jacob wrestled with then?

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

bible.cc/genesis/32-30.htm

And who did Samson's parents see?

Judges 13:22 "We are doomed to die!" he said to his wife. "We have seen God!"

"no man has seen God at any time, the Son has declared Him"

Jesus told the Jews He was the great I AM, and they took up stones to kill Him:

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM

bible.cc/john/8-58.htm

Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Jesus reveals Himself in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost

John 8:52Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58Jesus [Son] said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. [Father] 59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them [Holy Ghost], and so passed by. http://kingjbible.com/john/8.htm

Colossians 1:15 King James Version (KJV) 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

The basis of the word creature is created.

actually it means more than that. Strong's refers to Greek #2937 which refers to 2936, which refers to 2932.

"...the firstborn of every creature; not the first of the creation, or the first creature God made; for all things in Colossians 1:16 are said to be created by him, and therefore he himself can never be a creature; nor is he the first in the new creation, for the apostle in the context is speaking of the old creation, and not the new:...."

bible.cc/colossians/1-15.htm [keep studying]

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-11-11   15:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: pablo (#18)

n the Bible, when it talks of the earth being destroyed (Ecc 1:4; Psalms 104:5), it is talking about the destruction of unGodly people, who will not listen or obey. John 15:14

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command you.....

17 These things I command you, that you love one another.

Isaiah 57:20 King James Version (KJV) 20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

There is a lot more to Bible understanding than simply quoting Scriptures. You first must understand the basis of the Bible; that of a loving Father and His Purposes for the planet,

Isaiah 14:24The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand: 25That I will break the Assyrian [ see so-called Star of David www.assyrian4all.net/akhne/index.php?topic=18587.0 ] in my land [America Ezekiel 34/John 10; Micah 4:1-2; Psalm 2:6 etc. etc.: www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/ ] , and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders. 26This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations. 27For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back? kingjbible.com/isaiah/14.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-11-11   16:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#19)

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I love Isaiah 9:6.

http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/God.htm

The word god simply is a title. Basically, it means 'invoked one' or, depending on use, powerful one. Nothing more.

Isaiah 9:6 is very clear. One of the titles that Jesus carries is like Christ, which means anointed (as does Messiah: one being Greek, and the other, Hebrew). Only this title is Mighty God. What it DOES NOT SAY IS; Almighty God, which title belongs only to the Heavenly Father.

And just like the title Christ, someone has to do the appointing. To be a Mighty God, someone has to give him that power. See Philippians 2:9 (at the end).

The same way, you will carefully note that Jesus is NOT called Father. He has a different title; everlasting Father, and it means something entirely different.

In addition, he is not titled as King, but as the Prince of Peace. Rather clear, is it not? The Father is the King, and the first born son is ALWAYS the prince; see Colossians 1:15.

If Jesus is God, and only he is, then the following verses in the Bible make no sense whatever;

Philippians 2:9 King James Version (KJV) 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

pablo  posted on  2012-11-11   16:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: pablo (#21) (Edited)

I love Isaiah 9:6.

do you like the king james version there as well?

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. bible.cc/isaiah/9-6.htm

Notice one of Christ's names is Wonderful.

Why then does the king james refer to it as "secret" here:

Judges 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

"...The angel does not say that it was secret, but הוא פלאי hu peli it is Wonderful; the very character that is given to Jesus Christ, Isaiah 9:6 : His name shall be called, פלא Wonderful; and it is supposed by some that the angel gives this as his name, and consequently that he was our blessed Lord....."

bible.cc/judges/13-18.htm

maybe the Tribe of Dan [ http://watch.pair.com/dan.html ] has a secret plan for that passage.

he is not titled as King, but as the Prince of Peace. Rather clear, is it not? The Father is the King, and the first born son is ALWAYS the prince; see Colossians 1:15.

Revelation 19:11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. http://kingjbible.com/revelation/19.htm

Deuteronomy 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.

1 Timothy 6:15 which God will bring about in his own time--God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords,

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,

Revelation 17:14 They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."

bible.cc/revelation/19-16.htm

5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

http://kingjbible.com/philippians/2.htm

Ephesians 3:9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. 13Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.

14For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named..... [CHRISTian bible.cc/1_corinthians/10-4.htm ]

http://kingjbible.com/ephesians/3.htm

Mighty and Almighty, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, all mean the same thing: Jesus Christ is God.

You didn't answer me. If no man has seen God and lived, who did Jacob see, and who was it that changed his name to Israel?

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. bible.cc/genesis/32-28.htm

2 Kings 17:34 To this day they persist in their former practices. They neither worship the LORD nor adhere to the decrees and ordinances, the laws and commands that the LORD gave the descendants of Jacob, whom he named Israel.

That's why He took the name back

Jesus Is Israel

http://www.preteristarchive.com/...ve/j/jesus-is-israel.html

....and gave it to the Christians whose righteousness is FAITH in CHRIST. bible.cc/romans/3-22.htm

The Church Is Israel Now

http://www.preteristarchive.com/...provan-charles_dd_01.html

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Some Bible Verses that say “Jesus is God”

http://www.bugman123.com/Bible/JesusIsGod.html

Here's one of my favorites:

Ezekiel 34:

11For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. 12As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. 13And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country. 14I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel. 15I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD. 16I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

http://kingjbible.com/ezekiel/34.htm

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I AM not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. bible.cc/matthew/15-24.htm

John 10:11 I AM the good shepherd: the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.

30 I and my Father are one.

31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

see the rest for who are and are not the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.

http://kingjbible.com/john/10.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-11-11   18:58:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: pablo (#22) (Edited)

Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. bible.cc/revelation/5-5.htm

Revelation 22:16 "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

How was He the Root of David?

Here's Mary genealogy:

The answer is the word "God" in verse 28.

kingjbible.com/luke/3.htm

edit. sorry. that should read verse 38.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-11-11   19:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: pablo (#7)

You should look into the Shepherd's Chapel. Pastors Arnold, Dennis and David Murrey teach pure chapter by chapter and verse by verse studies of the Bible even going back to the original Hebrew, Ariamaic and Greek manuscripse when needed to clarify certain verses that don't translate well into english even in the King James Version which is still the most accurate of the English translations and the only one for which the Strong's Exaustive Concordance which is another tool the Murreys reccomend for bible study can be used.

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Coral Snake  posted on  2012-11-11   23:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: pablo (#14)

The book of Isaiah clearly shows that Jesus's office in the Kingdom of God is to be Emanuel or GOD WITH US. The Jehovah's Witnesses are right when they say that there is not a Trinity of three separate PERSONS in the Godhead. The Trinity is the three OFFICES of God's personal GOVERNMENT as universal Creator- Father, Holy Omnipresent Spirit and eventually earthly King:

OFFICE 1, Father - Yahaveh
OFFICE 2, Son - God With Us - Savior - Yasuah Messiah - Mellenial King - The Word
OFFICE 3, Holy Spirit - Quadosh Ruwach

Where the Jehovah's Witnesses are definitely WRONG is in their doctrine that Jesus is Michial the Archangel in a flesh body. Archangels were NEVER to be born of woman.

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Coral Snake  posted on  2012-11-12   0:04:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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