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Title: Petitions to secede are filed for 23 states since election
Source: Washington Times
URL Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news ... re-filed-for-23-states-since-/
Published: Nov 14, 2012
Author: Valerie Richardson
Post Date: 2012-11-14 03:58:28 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 285
Comments: 19

DENVER — It’s traditional for Americans to threaten to move to France or Canada when their candidate loses, but this year some disappointed voters are implementing a different plan.

In the wake of the Nov. 6 election, petitions seeking to secede from the union have been filed on behalf of 23 states on the White House website, https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions. Most of the petitions contain the same wording and ask to withdraw “peacefully” from the United States in order to form independent governments.

Critics describe the effort as a bit of an overreaction. “Anyone who wants their state to secede from the union is someone whose brain has already seceded from their body,” said John Andrews, director of the conservative Centennial Institute at Colorado Christian University.

Still, the White House may have to take the requests seriously. According to the website, any petition receiving 25,000 online “signatures” on the “We the People” page within 30 days of posting will receive a review by the appropriate executive department and a response from a White House staffer.

As of Monday, the Texas petition had already exceeded the 25,000-signature threshold, and the Louisiana petition was fast approaching the cutoff with more than 18,000 signatures. Most of the petitions were posted online Nov. 10, which means they have until Dec. 10 to qualify for a response.

It’s impossible to tell from the website who is behind the drive, given that those signing the petition only use their first names, last-name initials, and city and state of residence. The website does show that most petitions include the John Hancocks of signers from other states.

Steve Eichler, CEO of TeaParty.org, said his organization isn’t involved with the petition drive, but added that he wouldn’t be surprised if tea party advocates were at the root of it.

“We have not put out anything seceding from the United States, but the feedback we’re getting shows that people believe that their elected state leaders are more in tune with their needs than those of the federal government,” said Mr. Eichler.

He added that support for secession has cropped up in comments on the organization’s blogs. “People are feeling disenfranchised, they’re feeling a loss of voice, and they just don’t know what else to do,” he said.

Many of the petitions make their argument by quoting extensively from the Declaration of Independence, although some also add that the federal government has grown too large.

“The U.S. continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending,” says the Texas petition, which had more than 34,000 signatures as of Monday evening.

The Oregon petition argues that the federal government is guilty of an “abuse of power” by forcing “unconstitutional laws over [its] own citizens.”

Seth Masket, political science professor at the University of Denver, said the petitions may be a good way to blow off steam, but that they carry no legal weight.

“It’s hard to see this as anything other than sour grapes,” said Mr. Masket in an email. “These petitions have no legal power and no president would ever agree to them. It’s a way to register dissent with the way the majority of the country voted last week, but it’s little beyond that.”

Then again, said Mr. Eichler, the petitions could be the start of something big, such as the first call for a constitutional convention

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Poster Comment:

This article actually wants to ridicule those that want Constitutional government. Those wishing to return to Constitutional government have lowered their expectations of the U.S. Govt that they are "begging" the criminals in D.C. for permission to leave.

Why should 300 million people beg the 1500 criminals running D.C. for permission to leave the land of their birth ? Wouldn't it be simpler to remove the 1500 usurpers ?

I have no doubt that there are serious people that are sick and tired of these so-called "leaders" inability to resist corruption and the resultant fallout.

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#10. To: noone222 (#0)

Secession, then a Swiss style system, or modeled upon the Articles of Confederation.

The other option is civil war, or dictatorship.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2012-11-14   12:32:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: ALL TEXCANS EVERYONE (#10)

WONDERFUL DAYS!!!!

petitions.whitehouse.gov/...n-new-government/BmdWCP8B

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/20...secession-ron-paul-weighs

OVER 100 thousand ....

Where do we go to do our part to make it reality!?!?!

titorite  posted on  2012-11-15   5:54:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: titorite, Esso, Texicans, 4 (#11)

Let's go with Texicans, or just stick with Texans.

Lod  posted on  2012-11-15   8:05:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Lod (#13)

Indeed I like both. I like even more the idea of being free from the feds!

titorite  posted on  2012-11-15   18:53:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: titorite (#14)

Do you have an updated petition signature(s) number?

Thanks.

Lod  posted on  2012-11-15   19:02:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Lod, titorite (#15)

Do you have an updated petition signature(s) number?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states- america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B

You might need to cut and paste the url.

As of today the number count is 109,687.

That's far above what was needed ie 25,000 by 12/09/12 to warrant an official response from the WH, even if some sigs are found to be dups or illegitimate for various reasons.( I noticed several signatures were out of state residents -is that ok for a Texas secession petition ???)

Btw Hairdo Perry sort of kind of toned down his position against the petition and GOP official, Peter Morrison, is quite vocally pro secession ( maybe even a bit over the top):

www.huffingtonpost.com/20...tion-qualifies-for-white- http://house-">www.huffingtonpost.com/20...ualifies-for-white-house- response_n_2125159.html

snip

The support for the petition has surged in the last couple of days despite Texas Gov. Rick Perry's calls to support the union.

On Monday, The Huffington Post reported that the governor's press secretary, Catherine Frazier, said that Perry "believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it." Frazier added, however, that the governor "also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government."...

“As the economy worsened, people began to ask, ‘What if? Why do we need the middle man? Do we believe that we should have more layers of government than we absolutely need? Could Texas govern itself?’ I think really that self-determination is kind of the underpinning to all of this -- the ability to provide Texas solutions to Texas problems,” Miller told Politico of the state's aspirations for independence.

Miller has not been the only vocal and visible proponent of a Texas secession. Last week, Peter Morrison, a Texas GOP official, called for an "amicable divorce" from the United States.

"Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government?" Morrison, a treasurer of the Hardin County Republican Party, wrote in a post-election edition of his Tea Party newsletter. "Let each go her own way."

Morrison went on to express exasperation at the "maggots" who backed Obama, specifically accusing non-white voters of voting for the president on an "ethnic basis."...

scrapper2  posted on  2012-11-15   19:29:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: scrapper2, Rick Perry, 4 (#16)

IsRickPerryGay.org

Lod  posted on  2012-11-15   19:53:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Lod (#17)

I had me a great laugh at this...

It would not surprise me at all... Perry is a bit of sick fuck....

titorite  posted on  2012-11-16   6:27:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#19. To: titorite, cheerleaders, 4 (#18)

I'm suspicious of guys that are cheerleaders in college.

Lod  posted on  2012-11-16 06:37:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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