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Title: 911 What Happened - Not How It Happened - Dr Judy Wood
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gFW-sZrmSs
Published: Nov 16, 2012
Author: Judy Wood
Post Date: 2012-11-16 10:10:44 by Horse
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Internet reports of unconventional weaponry used in the Afghanistan invasion. Am not endorsing them as true but here they are for consideration of this topic:

US, NATO using Depleted Uranium to destroy Afghan's Gene Pool - Press TV video at YouTube [warning - graphic]

0:42 -1:07 "People have...lost their lives...without any physical sign of injury. And then there were, of course...bizarre...you know, scenes where...birds on...on...on trees had melted...and...and that kind of posed the question as to what's going on." The U.S. flatly denies this.

poorrichard's blog DU destroying Afghans’ gene pool’

Dr. Mohammad Daud Miraki, the author of Afghanistan After Democracy: The Untold Story Through Photographic Images, told Press TV’s Kabul correspondent on Monday

I have seen people die without any physical signs of injuries on their bodies in Afghanistan. There were bizarre scenes of birds melting on trees.” The United States’ use of radioactive munitions in Afghanistan has destroyed the people’s health and mutilated the genetic future of the country, Press TV reports.

Perpetual Death From America

By Mohammed Daud Miraki, MA, MA, PhD 2-24-3 If they had killed us once, it would not be so bad. But what the Americans have brought upon us [My note: with DU/Depleted Uranium] is not only depriving us but our future generations of our basic god given human right, the right to live. They will be killing us for generations to come"

At the fighting front north of Kabul, where Taliban forces were pounded night and day, many dead Taliban soldiers had no visible injuries except blood flowing out of their mouths, internal bleeding consistent with uranium based and chemical weapons. Furthermore, many dead Taliban soldiers had severe discoloration of the skin, orange, without being burned, while others had their rifles melted in their hands. This aroused suspicion among Taliban and others that weapons used by the US-UK military were not conventional weapons. Many Taliban soldiers that survived the bombing in the north have died after returning to their native villages in the south and southeast of the country. They had no physical injury upon their death, however, died from internal bleeding and other bizarre symptoms including uncontrolled vomiting, diarrhea, and blood loss in urine and stool. Their families were shocked with disbelieves.

Another bizarre, yet tragic scene was reported near Rish-Khor military base in Kabul. Multiple witnesses reported seeing dead birds on tree branches with blood coming out of their mouths. As one witness put it: We were amazed to see all these birds sitting quietly on [tree] branches; but when we shook the tree the birds fell down and we saw blood coming out of their mouths. Then we climbed the trees to see those that were still stuck on tree branches, all of them had bled from their mouths. Two of the birds appeared to be partly melted into the trees branches."

These various claims by witnesses of the US-UK bombing amply establishes that Weapon of Mass Destruction have been used.

Efited sentence 1 + for brevity and formatting.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-24   15:45:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's already been discussed elsewhere in this 4um at length that the evidence indicates something involving electromagnetism -- perhaps even micro/mini nukes.

So now you think radio waves brought down the towers? Explain to me how a radio wave brought down a 110 story building. As far as any sort of nuke, that has been eliminated due to the facts I present further below, which I have also previously presented on other threads.

We know that there were surivors in Japan within the atomic blast zones.

Oh really? Go find ANY reference on the Internet which exists that states there were survivors at Ground Zero in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The temperature turns as hot as that of the Sun, so go find me some people who survived several millions degrees of heat, besides being dosed with levels of radiation which would instantly kill them.

Apparently, you want us to believe that wouldn't be the case on 9/11 with a smaller nuke either of some sort

You were selling neutron bombs earlier, then once you figured out they emit WAY more radiation than coventional nuclear devices, and would have killed people in surrounding areas instantly with lethal radiation, you decided to move to the "micro-nuke" idea.

What part of sequential failure do you not understand? For one, a nuclear device would ONLY have blown out the immediate area of detonation, it would not have resulted in a top down collapse, floor by floor, of the structure.

A bright burst would have been visible, and there would have been an instant pulverization of surrounding structure, most likely in a spherical pattern.

or with Directed Energy weaponry either

Again, point out what sort of weapon would cause a sequential floor by floor collapse at near free fall speed. Where would it be fired from, and where would it get its energy?

Find ANY sort of DEW technology online that could cause a sequential failure to occur...

but somehow they would survive being flash-fried by a nano- thermite/thermate explosion -- because it was actually a very low to no-flash form of thermite/thermate that didn't produce much light or heat, just "pancake powder"??

Do you know what an EXPLOSIVE is? Have you ever seen conventional explosives used to bring down a structure? Conventional explosives produce tremendously high pressure, pulverizing anything in their blast radius. Larger bursts produce the sort of pulverization witnessed in the WTC collapse.

Advanced explosives composed of nano-thermite would most likely provide not only much higher pressures than conventional explosives, but also would be fine tunable in terms of detonation speed depending on their particle size.

Nano-thermite (Wiki)

The so-called pancaking powder flew up and outward as the buildings came down. That tells us that there wasn't the weight crashing down that would be required to pulverize the structures.

With the underlying floors having their support links destroyed by explosives sequentially, there would be little or no resistance to the collapsing mass of debris coming from above. As the air between the floors was instantly compressed to extremely high pressure by the sudden compression of space between the collapsing mass and the floor below, enhanced by the explosive high pressure coming from the explosives themselves, debris was ejected outwards at explosive speeds.

As the debris fell, a huge void of air was formed above the collapsing mass, causing air to rush in from all directions to fill that void. That air contained clouds of dust and drifted upwards once the air in the void had returned back to normal pressure.

9/11 was an Act of War against us, not some campfire-story fashion show that has to be reduced to conformity with a short-stack of thermitic flap- jacks, syrupy molten metal, and remote controlled butter-planes on the side to suit your group.

You're trying to dismiss known facts as if they didn't exist. Planes DID impact the towers, since there is not ONE person who has come forward stating that they had a clear view of the impact area and saw no plane, but did witness an explosion.

The entrance holes were there, and there WAS smoke rising from the damaged areas.

Remote controlled aircraft crashing into the towers is a much more likely sceneraio than relying on Captain Kirk and the starship Enterprise firing a controlled phaser blast from Earth orbit.

Just for kicks, you might want to explain how crashing and exploding planes wouldn't severely damage the sequencing of a preset controlled demolition or immediately trigger a C4Thermitic one.

For one, if the planes were flown remotely, it'd be known EXACTLY where they would impact.

It would not be difficult to avoid placing explosives in the area of planned impact.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-24   15:50:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You've been called on to address the current issues, not her previous work.

Name what it is about that interview which you feel needs to be addresed. I had presented her earlier work to show how she has already proven that a sequential failure had occured.

Now tell me, what is it about that work that you disagree with.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-24   15:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Later on this.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-24   15:55:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your debate team, though, should have some plausible hypotheticals about it besides serendipity. Thanks for your statement that there were no explosives in those areas but how could anyone be confident that explosive impacts would be contained so as not to interfere with or trigger the areas that were prepared with explosives?

GreyLmist, what part of "they would have known where the planes would impact if THEY flew them via remote control to their targets" do you fail to understand? Both you and YOUR team divert attention away from actual hard facts, and lead your readers and followers on trips down the rabbit hole. The more bizarre your claim, the harder you push it, while tearing down those who find holes in your theories.

If anything, you're just the flip side of what the main stream media provides, where they tell ONE impossible story, and your "team" provides the OTHER impossible stories, with both sources mixing in a BIT of truth in order to make it all seem believable.

When all the actual facts and evidence are examined, and the ongoing coverup considered, it becomes clear that YOUR "team" is acting in concert with the MSM team to misdirect readers and obfuscate the entire body of 9/11 knowledge with impossible and implausible events, and lead people away from what REALLY happened on that day.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-24   16:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I had presented her earlier work to show how she has already proven that a sequential failure had occured.

I do not believe sequential failure occurred. For sequential failure to occur the buildings would have fallen at a much slower rate. What people saw on 9/11 was sequential timed explosions all the way down the building.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-11-24   18:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What people saw on 9/11 was sequential timed explosions all the way down the building.

That's what I meant by sequential failure. In other words, the underlying floors were demolished with explosives fractions of a second prior to the upper structure converging into them.

Since the upper structure still had to slow down for a fraction of a second as it impacted the floor below, the fall was not pure free fall speed. If the floors had been detonated a full second sooner or so, the collapse would have been MUCH closer to free fall speed, thus revealing that it WAS controlled demolition to even the most perceptially challenged.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-24   19:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh really? Go find ANY reference on the Internet which exists that states there were survivors at Ground Zero in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha

Anyone as lazy as you, so lazy they can not even do a google search for themselves is by no means an activist of any kind.... you're just an angry troll.

Back on ignore... My apologies for taking you off that list.

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titorite  posted on  2012-11-24   20:18:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha

Those are people that were within 2 km of ground zero, or who were affected by the fallout in any way.

They were not AT ground zero, as they would need to be in some sort of alien ship to withstand a direct nuclear blast.

Get your facts straight and stop peddling BS.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-24   20:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

you're just an angry troll.

Upon further thought, that comment needs to be addressed.

Each and every time you are proven wrong, you lash out with lies and personal attacks.

You prove YOURSELF to be that angry troll you mention. Again, you project YOUR faults onto your victims.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-24   21:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

rigorousintuition.ca • View topic - Where Did The Towers Go

Link Excerpts:

(Let's remember, the government is always at least 15-20 years ahead in technology from where they publicly admit.)

Introducing the Particle-Beam Weapon by Dr. Richard M. Roberds; published in Air University Review, July-August 1984

Millimeter-wave energy to be used in a weapon by Peter Clarke; published in EE Times June 6, 2001

US hails airborne laser as weapons milestone, ABC News, October 29, 2006

4um Title: Mini-Neutron Bombs A Major Piece of the 9-11 Puzzle

Various Energy Weaponry: Posts #180, #181 and #182

Possible 9/11 EMP effects:

World Trade Center Demolition

The interview of Dr. Michael Guttenberg, of NYFD’s Office of Medical Affairs, who may have witnessed EMP is here.

[sic] before any tower “collapse”, he noted:

“…on the EMS radio, there was absolute silence for probably 10 or 15 seconds, you know, which to me, it seemed like 10 to 15 seconds, but it was absolute radio silence for a few seconds…”

UNITED WAY - 9-11 funds go to left-wing causes unconnected with terror (you MUST read this!)

Another beneficiary of the September 11 Fund is Legal Services of New York, which received a grant of $40,000 "to replace phones, computers and other office equipment destroyed in the attack."

According to spokeswoman Edwina Martin [sic] the $40,000 grant was necessary because, "If we don't have our phones and computers, we can't do anything and people are left with nothing."

She noted that the offices were "fairly close" to the World Trade Center, and that "equipment wasn't functioning."

YouTube: Media Acknowledges Steel Turned to Dust on 9/11 (Full Clip) | ABC News

Uploaded by Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez on Nov 10, 2010

World Trade Center Demolition [Nukes at the WTC hypotheses]

Lt. Smiouskas believed that a nuclear bomb went off, due to the magnitude of Earth shaking that he felt. As a tower is being destroyed he recalls [sic] seeing “glitter” through the black smoke, during tower destruction.

"Everybody started running north, and this huge volume like ten stories high billowing, pushing black smoke and like a glitter. I guess it was glass that was glitter that was in the cloud of smoke.”

I do not believe this “glitter” was glass in the black smoke. Perhaps it is more likely that gamma rays from nuclear explosions which could readily traverse the black smoke, impinged on his retina. This is like the
a[s] tronauts in earth orbit seeing (retinal) flashes from cosmic rays when they tried to go to a higher earth orbit [sic]

YouTube: 911 FOX Live - the dustification of the World Trade Center North Tower -- glittering smoke at 0:40

Published on May 27, 2012 by CNN911Fakes

911 sparklers in the 911 smoke at the beginning (All that glitters is not gold!). Looks like Disney's fairy godmother is showing up in the 911 magic smoke. Those are not reflections.

4um Title: A Brief Summary: WTC Destruction & High Temperature Aftermath: ONLY Nuclear Bombs and the China Syndrome Fit All the Evidence - Post #67 [Molecular Dissociation]

SPACE WEAPONS IN USE: BOB FITRAKIS -- Warning. Graphic war casualties footage at 5:21-5:35.

'High tech space weapons are in use. The U.S. and Israeli military are lying about them. They're well established in the public record.' Video shows the Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) & mobile version (MTHEL). Lasers have been weaponized since 1971, at least. See Col. Doug Beason's glorification of ABL (airborn lasers), ADS (active denial systems), RME (relay mirrors) and SSL (solid state lasers) in his book The Electron Bomb: How America's New Directed Energy Weapons Will Change the Way Future Wars Will Be Fought (2005). Vid calls attention to the prize-winning documentary Panama Deception. The GHW Bush invasion of Panama in Dec 1989 was used as a testing ground for laser-maser- crazer weapons. Prof. Fitrakis spoke at the Madison 9/11 conference hosted by Prof. Jim Fetzer, Aug 5, 2007 filmed by Josh Harvey of Snowshoefilms (pt. 2 of 2). Scenes from Star Wars in Iraq and Panama Deception. Music thanks to Alistair Hulett, 'Shot Down in Flames'. (see Joe Friendly (youtube) for unedited version). See our video on youtube,'Can You Help Us Please?' for pictures of some of the advanced Israel-US weapons used on Lebanese civilians in July 2006.

Mentions [at 3:41-4:18] the vehicles destroyed in the area of the WTC as being similar to what is seen in the Academy Award-winning documentary, "Panama Deception". An eyewitness [at 4:18-4:57] mentions cars cut in half by lasers. Also mentions melted guns and other similarities to the Afghanistan reporting at Post #66.

Edited for 2 more 4um reference additions + last video section and comment + formatting.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-27   3:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha

Those are people that were within 2 km of ground zero, or who were affected by the fallout in any way.

They were not AT ground zero, as they would need to be in some sort of alien ship to withstand a direct nuclear blast.

Get your facts straight and stop peddling BS.

The bombs were detonated in the air. Ground zero is the blast radius -- not an impact point on the ground. See pic caption at the Wikipedia site:

Panoramic view of the monument marking the hypocenter, or ground zero, of the atomic bomb explosion over Nagasaki.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-27   5:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

GreyLmist, what part of "they would have known where the planes would impact if THEY flew them via remote control to their targets" do you fail to understand?

Aside from the facts that remote control wouldn't make planes able to exceed their structural limits at such high speeds and low altitudes and that it wouldn't prevent them from being broken apart on the outside of the buildings when they hit, it also would not guarantee that they would explode, splatter fuel and burn inside the buildings without damaging preset demolitions or immediately igniting thermitics. I would think that's just common sense.

Edited to reword for clarity.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-27   6:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Me: It's already been discussed elsewhere in this 4um at length that the evidence indicates something involving electromagnetism -- perhaps even micro/mini nukes.

You: So now you think radio waves brought down the towers? Explain to me how a radio wave brought down a 110 story building.

Don't confuse me with Steven Jones. He thinks radio waves triggered thermitics to bring down 110 story buildings:

911 The no plane chronicles 5of7

According to one of Steven Earl Jones' audios "thermate can be painted on" (and then "touched off" by some radio-controlled mechanism . The Great Professor does not explain whether you use a brush, or a roller, for the paint job - and is a bit 'light' on details of any 'radio control" mechanism to trigger off this 'toshing'. The point is this: It has to work. It has to work exactly, no 'messing' It has to work accurately, otherwise the building will topple. We should all be very grateful that former Professor Jones does not actually work in the Controlled Demolitions industry - and merely confines himself to making absurd statements about it)

You were selling neutron bombs earlier,

No, I wasn't. Now you're confusing me with other posters.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-27   6:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Everyone who watches that video should be amazed at all the debris flying at WTC 1 from WTC 2 as it fell and it was practically like water off a duck's back -- no significant damage from it. Very sensationalistic, too, how WTC 1 started crumbling like on cue at the word "praying".

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-27   6:50:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Both you and YOUR team divert attention away from actual hard facts, and lead your readers and followers on trips down the rabbit hole. The more bizarre your claim, the harder you push it, while tearing down those who find holes in your theories.

I think you're confusing me with Jones again there -- and yourself. Please be more careful not to do that henceforth.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-27   8:23:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Introducing the Particle-Beam Weapon by Dr. Richard M. Roberds; published in Air University Review, July-August 1984

Particle beams do not have any destructive power of their own, other than frying the electronics of their targets by overloading them with charged particles.

So no, they would not have been able to bring down ANY structure, never mind a 110 story skyscraper. Besides, they'd need some sort of platform to fire this beam from. Where would it be?

Millimeter-wave energy to be used in a weapon by Peter Clarke; published in EE Times June 6, 2001

Millimeter-wave is just another word for extremely high frequency microwaves. High power microwaves heat their targets. Other uses are for radar, and for body scanners at airports.

They can not bring down structures.

US hails airborne laser as weapons milestone, ABC News, October 29, 2006

At short distances, an airborne laser can heat up a missile to the point it fails. It can not bring down a structure.

So no, you haven't found any directed energy weapon capable of bringing down ANY building never mind the WTC towers.

Try again.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-27   14:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The bombs were detonated in the air. Ground zero is the blast radius -- not an impact point on the ground. See pic caption at the Wikipedia site:

You can't even use Wiki very well can you...

From Ground zero - Wiki

The term ground zero (sometimes also known as surface zero[1] as distinguished from zero point[2]) describes the point on the Earth's surface closest to a detonation.[3] In the case of an explosion above the ground, ground zero refers to the point on the ground directly below the detonation (see hypocenter).

So go stand under a nuclear detonation and tell us how it feels.

Ground zero is the area on the ground under or at the point of detonation. If you think ANY living creature can survive the temperature of the sun, along with incredible amounts of gamma radiation as well as the blast itself, you just go ahead and keep on believing that.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-27   14:18:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

it also would not guarantee that they would explode, splatter fuel and burn inside the buildings without damaging preset demolitions or immediately igniting thermitics. I would think that's just common sense.

Explosives could be set in areas where the planes would have been KNOWN to NOT impact.

Specialized explosives exist which can only be triggered by detonators.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-27   14:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Don't confuse me with Steven Jones. He thinks radio waves triggered thermitics to bring down 110 story buildings:

You're attempting to debunk the ACTUAL EVIDENCE of nano-thermite found in the WTC debris, and spewing every ridiculous tale you can dream up of phaser beams which don't exist, nuclear explosions, massive conspiracies involving every television network and their employees, the airports, the FAA, victim's families, they ALL had to be in on it for your no-plane theories to be even remotely possible.

It's quite obvious what you and your "team" are up to, and it has nothing to do with clarifying what happened the morning of 9/11; instead, you are on a mission to dirty the waters as much as possible, mixing every looney piece of misinformation you can conjure up with a small set of actual true facts, most likely to discredit those actual facts with your ridiculously impossible assertions.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-27   14:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Everyone who watches that video should be amazed at all the debris flying at WTC 1 from WTC 2 as it fell and it was practically like water off a duck's back -- no significant damage from it

So what are you peddling now? Are you trying to say that the towers never collapsed, that they're still standing?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-27   14:28:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He thinks radio waves triggered thermitics to bring down 110 story buildings:

You claimed that it is possible to destroy a 110 story skyscaper using "electromagnetism", while hopping all over "direct energy beams".

In case you didn't know, a "beam" of electromagnetism is a high frequency radio wave known as a microwave beam (radar for instance).

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-27   14:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Me: The bombs were detonated in the air. Ground zero is the blast radius -- not an impact point on the ground. See pic caption at the Wikipedia site:

FL: You can't even use Wiki very well can you...

From Ground zero - Wiki

The term ground zero (sometimes also known as surface zero[1] as distinguished from zero point[2]) describes the point on the Earth's surface closest to a detonation.[3] In the case of an explosion above the ground, ground zero refers to the point on the ground directly below the detonation (see hypocenter).

So go stand under a nuclear detonation and tell us how it feels.

Ground zero is the area on the ground under or at the point of detonation. If you think ANY living creature can survive the temperature of the sun, along with incredible amounts of gamma radiation as well as the blast itself, you just go ahead and keep on believing that.

Maybe you better define what you think are the measurements for the term Ground Zero. Is it the same size as the bomb above it before it explodes? Is it the size of the bomb's pattern of explosion, regardless of any casualties and damages beyond it? Is it just precisely the very middle/hypocenter of the blast? -- a pinpoint? What are the dimensions of a hypocenter? Shima Hospital in Hiroshima? [Ref. your Wikipedia link and the red marked map of Ground Zero there, which looks like a much bigger area than a hospital.] When the WTC is spoken of as Ground Zero, the dimensions are 16 acres. [Ref. your Wikipedia link]

In the first place, as your own Wiki reference says:

The origins of the term ground zero began with the Manhattan Project and the bombing of Japan. The Strategic Bombing Survey of the atomic attacks, released in June 1946, used the term liberally, defining it as: "For convenience, the term 'ground zero' will be used to designate the point on the ground directly beneath the point of detonation, or 'air zero.'"[4] William Laurence, an embedded reporter with the Manhattan Project, reported that "Zero" was "the code name given to the spot chosen for the atomic bomb test" in 1945.[5]

The Oxford English Dictionary, citing the use of the term in a 1946 New York Times report on the destroyed city of Hiroshima, defines ground zero as "that part of the ground situated immediately under an exploding bomb, especially an atomic one."

The term was military slang, used at the Trinity site where the weapon tower for the first nuclear weapon was at "point zero", and moved into general use very shortly after the end of World War II. At Hiroshima, the hypocenter of the attack was Shima Hospital.

The points on the ground directly beneath the bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are: the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- closest to the detonations as compared to their surrounding areas within the larger blast and fallout ranges. Ground Zero defined as an Air Zero coordinate point is ridiculous, imo. The bomb-target wasn't just Shima Hospital in Hiroshima. They could have used a regular bomb for that if it was, without all the "Ground Zero" hype. The bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and there were many survivors there -- more than expected. Depending on the source, 1 (certified) to 165 also survived the bombing of Nagasaki. [165 - Reference the link titorite posted: Hibakusha - Wikipedia; 1 - Reference thesurvivorsclub.org: Meet the Only Survivor of Both Atomic Bombs Dropped on Japan - Tsutomu Yamaguchi]

Secondly, the causal reason we're talking about WWII Japan here is because (at #67) you twisted my general comment (at #59) from "atomic blast zones" to "Ground Zero" but, at that time, you seemed to equate the term with the blast zones generally, too, rather than splitting hairs over the hypocenter line upward to the bomb, as you've done since then.

Me at Post #59: "We know that there were surivors in Japan within the atomic blast zones."

You at Post #67: "Oh really? Go find ANY reference on the Internet which exists that states there were survivors at Ground Zero in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The temperature turns as hot as that of the Sun, so go find me some people who survived several millions degrees of heat, besides being dosed with levels of radiation which would instantly kill them."

The Hibakusha link states that 210,830 were still alive in March of this year. If you disagree, you could ask the Japanese government about that, I suppose. But if you really think that temperatures "as hot as that of the sun" were confined by Ground Zero definition in Hiroshima to the hypocenter of Shima Hospital, you shouldn't be too disagreeable, imo. I don't know at what point you actually think "ANY living creature" would have to be on this planet to survive such a temperature emanating from Japan -- the poles, maybe -- but, of course, when investigating the possibility (however remote) of nukes at the WTC on 9/11, we are not doing so on the same scale as the bombings of Japan.

Edited to expand quote from Post #67 and for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-28   8:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not many people are going to read this here on 4um. Not sure if you are being paid to post this or you really believe it, but the government sucks at innovation and technology. If they didn't steal ideas and inventions from others then they would have nothing. I don't believe they are ahead in technology for a second because they are just slightly above the retard level. All they have is force through hired goons, intelligent people know this and do not let the world know of their inventions until they are ready to make them public on a world wide scale. The government if anything is behind the technology curve in the private world, not ahead of it.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-11-28   10:06:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The government if anything is behind the technology curve in the private world, not ahead of it.

So?

wudidiz  posted on  2012-11-28   10:17:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

you haven't found any directed energy weapon capable of bringing down ANY building never mind the WTC towers.

Try again.

You at Post #27:

By "directed energy", do you mean laser, charged particle beam, neutral beam? What exactly IS this weapon you think brought down the towers?

I don't know exactly or I could have saved myself a lot of work and typing at Post #76 as a mini-perspective on Directed Energy and related issues. As I said at 4um Post #67 in that list, "I still think Christopher Bollyn's research dating back to February 2002 is highly probable." The Soviet technology in question that he mentioned (among other weaponry) can be found at 4um Posts #180 and #181 in that list.

I'm certain, though, that thermitics didn't powderize the Towers and toast the vehicles on 9/11. The reason I posted the listed info isn't so you could declare our government as a non-suspect in those matters, which you basically have; although I don't necessarily disagree, since I suspect such weaponry involved wouldn't have been from our arsenal anyway. The reason I posted the info was as a reference convenience. The reason I posted it from #5, rather than as a direct response to your 1st question at #27, was because the rigorousintuition link was at #5, which I wanted to post some historical examples from first.

Since you don't know either what might be in the arsenals of the enemies who attacked us on 9/11 with their prescripted Acts of War, I don't know what you think you are doing by trying to trivialize and shut-down any investigation along these lines besides aiding and abetting Jones who has misled people like you with his mythical "chains of evidence". He didn't craft that incongruity to catch any perps, domestic or foreign, and undoubtedly doesn't want to risk it being thrown out of a court as the inadmissable junk that it is because that would put the kibosh some on his limelight and financial prospects thereafter.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-28   10:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not sure if you are being paid to post this

You can be sure that I am not being paid to post this or anything else.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-28   10:52:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So you are now on record stating that it is possible to stand directly under a nuclear detonation and live to talk about it.

Your entire reason for this is because you are trying to say that a nuclear bomb could have been detonated in both WTC towers, with nobody being affected by lethal gamma radiation, and that they would survive several millions of degrees of heat. Of course this heat would not have turned cement dust to glass in your universe, nor would the blast have totally destroyed the structure instantly.

Do you think we'll be sending a manned ship to land on the sun sometime soon as well?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-28   10:52:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You dismiss the bona-fide evidence and promote bizarro tales with ZERO basis in fact.

You demonstrate your lack of education in terms of what is possible and what isn't, as well as your inability to reason logically.

There IS no "atom disintegrator beam" or whatever it is you are peddling. If any such weapon existed here on Earth, we would have already experienced WWIII.

There IS however VERY strong evidence that nano-thermite explosives exist which are more powerful than standard explosives, and nano-thermite HAS BEEN FOUND in the WTC debris.

THAT explains why you are doing EVERYTHING you can to dismiss such evidence and cloud the waters with pure BS, since apparently you are in league with those whose interests are served by burying any sort of evidence which points to who actually perpetrated the 9/11 attacks.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-28   10:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Me: Everyone who watches that video should be amazed at all the debris flying at WTC 1 from WTC 2 as it fell and it was practically like water off a duck's back -- no significant damage from it

FL: So what are you peddling now? Are you trying to say that the towers never collapsed, that they're still standing?

Don't be obtuse. It has nothing to do with me peddling anything. It is simply an obvious fact that WTC 1 was not significantly damaged from the barrage of debris during the downing of WTC 2, as we're told other buildings farther away were. Serendipity doesn't explain it, imo. If you can't, then wake up.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-28   11:16:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm certain, though, that thermitics didn't powderize the Towers and toast the vehicles on 9/11.

Uh huh. Someone who thinks you could sit on a nuclear bomb and have it detonate under your fat bottom, and be able to walk away with a few minor aches and pains, is CERTAIN that nano-thermite explosives couldn't destroy floors in a structure.

ANY explosive used in a top down demolotion would have caused the cement to powderize from the high heat and air pressure created by compressing the air between the collapsing floors, combined with the explosive force of the explosives themselves, PLUS the actual impact force of the collapsing upper mass impacting the lower mass.

Nano-thermite would have most likely raised the overall temperature considerably, creating pockets of high intensity heat within the debris clouds, thus leading to scorching of things in the way, such as cars.

It is NOT science fiction, unlike the crapola you are peddling here.

For the third time on this thread, I'll post a video of various controlled demolotions. If you pay attention you'll note how the collapse creates DUST CLOUDS.

The reason I posted the listed info isn't so you could declare our government as a non-suspect in those matters, which you basically have;

Liar. Nano-thermite explosives would ONLY be available to our government, or others who have stolen the design, ie. countries such as Israel. I've posted for almost a decade that 9/11 was an inside job, providing compelling evidence of such.

And here you are, the 4um shill, trying to paint yourself as the true "9/11 warrior" fighting for truth against all odds, where you do nothing but discredit the hard work various researchers have performed over the past 10 years and spew forth ridiculous nonsense that can be so easily scientifically, logically, and factually dismissed, only a total and complete fool would try to peddle such laughable stories.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-28   11:21:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It is simply an obvious fact that WTC 1 was not significantly damaged from the barrage of debris during the downing of WTC 2, as we're told other buildings farther away were.

You are stating a non-fact. You were NOT there to witness the damage, and there were no close ups of the exterior walls of the uncollapsed tower after the collapse of WTC 2.

Secondly, those other buildings were damaged because debris hit the TOP of those buildings and were traveling at greater speeds since they were LOWER than the tower which collapsed.

Huge chunks of debris didn't hit the other tower, whereas large solid chunks of debris obviously DID hit the lower buildings. In fact, aren't you telling everyone that the entire building turned to dust? If it was nothing but dust, then how was dust supposed to damage the other tower?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-28   11:26:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Besides what I just posted in terms of your claims that WTC 1 was undamaged by the collapse of WTC 2, exactly what ARE you trying to say? Are you stating that the buildings did NOT collapse? Or are you saying that the videos of the collapse were produced in a super secret Hollywood studio, and that they actually simply disintegrated like on Star Trek?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-28   11:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You claimed that it is possible to destroy a 110 story skyscaper using "electromagnetism", while hopping all over "direct energy beams".

In case you didn't know, a "beam" of electromagnetism is a high frequency radio wave known as a microwave beam (radar for instance).

I said that the evidence -- burned cars, unburned paper -- indicates something involving electromagnetism. Questioning Directed Energy isn't hopping all over anything. I don't think you have all the correct answers so I'm surely not going to stop questioning because you think that you do and act as if it shouldn't be discussed or not before a specific type is silently sensed.

Electromagnetism

Pic caption: The phenomena associated with lightning (left) and magnets (right) are both caused by electromagnetism, one of the four fundamental forces of nature.

Different frequencies of oscillation give rise to the different forms of electromagnetic radiation, from radio waves at the lowest frequencies, to visible light at intermediate frequencies, to gamma rays at the highest frequencies.

Is there anything you don't want to argue about?

Maybe you've heard of a puzzle on the grounds of CIA HQ at Langley: Kryptos. I tried to decipher the unsolved section years ago and, in the process, I saw a 9/11 pattern in the frequencies of the letters, even though it was there since 11-3-1990. I suspect the reason that last section is harder to solve than the previous 3 is because there could be a skip-sequence between some phrases that switches to a different decoding method. The reason I'm mentioning it is because the 2nd section was reported as solved before that sculpture happened onto my radar screen, so to speak, and it reads:

IT WAS TOTALLY INVISIBLE HOWS THAT POSSIBLE ? THEY USED THE EARTHS MAGNETIC FIELD X THE INFORMATION WAS GATHERED AND TRANSMITTED UNDERGRUUND TO AN UNKNOWN LOCATION X DOES LANGLEY KNOW ABOUT THIS ? THEY SHOULD ITS BURIED OUT THERE SOMEWHERE X WHO KNOWS THE EXACT LOCATION ? ONLY WW THIS WAS HIS LAST MESSAGE X THIRTY EIGHT DEGREES FIFTY SEVEN MINUTES SIX POINT FIVE SECONDS NORTH SEVENTY SEVEN DEGREES EIGHT MINUTES FORTY FOUR SECONDS WEST X LAYER TWO

Speaking of underground locations, I was watching part of a documentary recently about New York from a series called, "Underground Cities", iirc. The railroad there was secret and cars were secretly transported on elevators -- one was FDR's. I thought it was quite interesting and wouldn't rule out that something destructive might have been directed from underground on 9/11.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-28   12:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I said that the evidence -- burned cars, unburned paper -- indicates something involving electromagnetism.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Other than heating effects as seen in microwave ovens, or as in some "non- lethal" battlefield microwave devices, WTF do you think is so magical about radio waves that it can disintegrate a 110 story building?

Huh?

To you, actual evidence found in the debris, as in NANO-THERMITE, is incapable of heating anything up, whereas ficticious weapons such as phaser beams from an orbitting space ship make perfect sense.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-28   13:00:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So you are now on record stating that it is possible to stand directly under a nuclear detonation and live to talk about it.

Your entire reason for this is because you are trying to say that a nuclear bomb could have been detonated in both WTC towers, with nobody being affected by lethal gamma radiation, and that they would survive several millions of degrees of heat. Of course this heat would not have turned cement dust to glass in your universe, nor would the blast have totally destroyed the structure instantly.

Do you think we'll be sending a manned ship to land on the sun sometime soon as well?

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I don't know why that line copied from your post but I have not said that it is possible to stand directly under a nuclear detonation and live to talk about it. Everyone at the Shima Hospital hypocenter in Hiroshima reportedly died from the explosion. Everyone in the Hiroshima blast zone did not.

Nor have I said that a nuclear bomb could have been detonated in both WTC towers with nobody being affected by lethal gamma radiation. In fact, I posted commentary at Post #76 from a Lt. who may have been exposed to gamma rays.

You are the only one who insists on talking about standing directly under a nuclear bomb. I was talking about such blast zones more generally. Where in the WWII Japan cities targeted do you think the "several millions of degrees of heat" stopped and cooled down enough for there to be any survivors? Since there were survivors, even near the blast center, maybe you should ask yourself if we'll be sending a manned ship to land on the sun sometime soon as well -- not me. How big do you think those cities were?

I don't think it takes "several millions of degrees of heat" to turn cement dust to glass. Do you just make anything up that you want to pin on me and think it's going to fly or what? Again, we aren't talking about the same scale of bombs as over Japan. Even so, you don't really know that there weren't people killed from much smaller nukes at the WTC. You just presume they were killed from jet fuel/office fires and a thermitic "blast furnace" -- and "pancaking".

Edited for grammar, next to last sentence of paragraph 3 and last sentence of the last paragraph, after the hyphenation there.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-28   13:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Me: I said that the evidence -- burned cars, unburned paper -- indicates something involving electromagnetism.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Other than heating effects as seen in microwave ovens, or as in some "non- lethal" battlefield microwave devices, WTF do you think is so magical about radio waves that it can disintegrate a 110 story building?

Huh?

To you, actual evidence found in the debris, as in NANO-THERMITE, is incapable of heating anything up, whereas ficticious weapons such as phaser beams from an orbitting space ship make perfect sense.

Are you trying to convince me that you're just a heckling noisemaker? You don't have to try so much.

Did you even read the excerpts from the Electromagnetism Wikipedia link? I don't thinks so. See if you can grasp this paraphrasing this time: Radio waves are low frequency electromagnetism. Gamma rays are high frequency electromagnetism. That does not mean that gamma rays are radio waves, nor are radio waves synonymous with the intermediate frequency range.

Who says there was actual evidence of nano-thermite in the debris? Jones doesn't count as reliable source. What he claims as evidence of that is what's bizarre and appears fictitious. Does he pay you to be his assistant? Are you aware that America isn't the only country that has nano-thermite?

Try slowing down and counting to 10 or 110 before you hit send again so that you can give your automatic writings a bit more thought. This stormy transmission fell flatter than a WTC pancake on my grading scale.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-11-28   14:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Try to find ANY radio wave capable of causing molecular disintegration on a scale required to bring down a 110 story building. In fact, find me ANY electromagnetic wave or beam weapon capable of bringing down ANY building.

And I'm not talking about what you see in science fiction movies.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-28   14:22:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who says there was actual evidence of nano-thermite in the debris?

Apparently you've been so busy looking into phaser rays you overlooked the actual bonafide evidence pertaining to 9/11.

There's Dr. Niels Harrit of Copenhagen University, for one...

Niels Holger Harrit, PhD

Here's a vid you may want to watch.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-11-28   14:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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