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Title: 911 What Happened - Not How It Happened - Dr Judy Wood
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Published: Nov 16, 2012
Author: Judy Wood
Post Date: 2012-11-16 10:10:44 by Horse
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#50. To: RickyJ, FormerLurker (#48)
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Fuck it , I tried to get yall talking about her work specificly , since this topic was about her and her research. ..but it seems yall can not point out any flaw or are unwilling to attempt it. At least I think we all know now where you two stand in the line and what loyalties yall perfer serve. I'll see yall never. It's been real and it's been fun but it aint been real fun, know what mean? Laters. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
First off, it demonstrates you've probably never even read anything in terms of who they are and what they do. DARPA stands for Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. If you look up the word, that is what it stands for. AND, just like every other alphabet soup agency, they do not place punctuation inbetween the letters. I mean, the FBI doesn't use F.B.I., nor does the CIA use C.I.A I am thinking you just heard the acronym on YouTube and are spelling it phonetically, being that you didn't notice the R in the first syllable, and heard it in the second syllable where it doesn't belong. There are other factors which eliminates directed energy weapons as well. One such item is that any sort of weapon powerful enough to disintegrate a skyscraper would need MASSIVE amounts of power, and would most likely be MASSIVE in size. Where would such a weapon be fired from, and where it would it get its energy? Another is the matter of how would such a weapon be selective in its destructive power, where not only would it not ALSO destroy objects and structures in back of its target, but that it would be able to focus its energy on EXACTLY where it needed to be in order to cause a sequential top down collapse, progressing downwards as the collapse took place. If we had such weapons, we would be using them right now against any nation that the elites wanted to attack. It would be more devastating than the nuclear bomb, and such unbalanced power would most assuredly result in a global conflict of unmatched proportion. Uh huh. Back to the personal stuff against me know, right titorite, since you've lost the argument and can't back up your claims. If you noticed, I HAVE posted some of Judy Wood's earlier work. She made the case for EXACTLY what I AM saying, in that it was a sequential failure which caused the upper mass to accelerate at near free fall speed. Neither you nor her have been able to say exactly why C4 or other conventional explosive devices could not have been used to cause that sequential failure from occuring exactly as it did. The towers were blown outward, No? Credible evidence of asbestoes, and strange elevator shaft activity before the event. We are collective FOOLS for putting up with this corruption. The only conclusion I must come to is the existing (jewish owned?) government is behind 9-11. Prove me wrong. If he cared about truth he wouldn't have just turned tail and ran. If he cared about truth, he would have either admitted he was wrong and apologized, or presented factual information which bolstered his view. Thus far, he's called on me to disprove Judy Wood's work, where her OWN previous work demonstrates the opposite of what he is claiming. Also thus far, he can't seem to find ANY sort of directed energy weapon which exists that could have accomplished what he claims. Correct. However, SOME of the horizontal force can be explained by the compression of the air inbetween floors. The force of EXPLOSIVES however, would greatly enhance that horizontal force, heating and compressing the air even further. Such heat and high pressure were most likely huge factors in the pulverization of the concrete. In terms of who was behind 9/11, it's obvious that the government is ACTIVELY covering this matter up. In terms of who could have orchestrated the "war games" that morning to coincide with the actual attacks, we all know the answer to that. Add to that the HUGE coincidence of that part of the Pentagon containing the accounting records which would have revealed where that "missing" 2.2 TRILLION dollars went to was just exactly where that angry arab decided to strike, well, I think we can get a REALLY good idea of who was behind the entire thing. Isn't it interesting that you can tell someone is a lunatic just from her face?
There are actually govt agents who spread conspiracy theories among the gullible to help promote the illusion that the govt is all powerful.
Turn the brightness up on your computer so you stop mistaking your reflection on the screen. ;) _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
You keep presuming that such weapons would have to be ours rather than a foreign attacker's but there's no reason for us to go back again to square one and re-establish the obvious fact that America isn't the only country with Directed Energy/WMD technology. We don't need to play parlor guessing games about what's in America's secret arsenals and the secret arsenals of others that can topple your Jonesian-model, which has never logically explained what happened that day anyway. It's already been discussed elsewhere in this 4um at length that the evidence indicates something involving electromagnetism -- perhaps even micro/mini nukes. We know that there were surivors in Japan within the atomic blast zones. Apparently, you want us to believe that wouldn't be the case on 9/11 with a smaller nuke of some sort or with Directed Energy weaponry either but somehow they would survive being flash-fried by a nano- thermite/thermate explosion -- because it was actually a very low to no-flash form of thermite/thermate that didn't produce much light or heat, just "pancake powder"?? The so-called pancaking powder flew up and outward as the buildings came down. That tells us that there wasn't the weight crashing down that would be required to pulverize the structures. 9/11 was an Act of War against us, not some campfire-story fashion show that has to be reduced to conformity with a short-stack of thermitic flap- jacks, syrupy molten metal, and remote controlled butter-planes on the side to suit your group. Just for kicks, you might want to explain how crashing and exploding planes wouldn't severely damage the sequencing of a preset controlled demolition or immediately trigger a C4Thermitic one. Edited for grammar and spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Why is it that you think a directed energy weapon could be contained within such a narrow range as the building and produce such massive damage yet leave human survivors? Please, we all weren't born yesterday. The firemen heard explosions before the building started coming down. What you saw on TV was tons of explosives going off sequentially on each floor. You ask what about the impact zone? Well, you think there was no real planes, so that shouldn't be a problem for you, but you will also notice that the impact zone was the only area that did not explode, the rest of the building did, but the impact area didn't. Obviously they didn't have any explosives in that area.
God is always good!
You've been called on to address the current issues, not her previous work. Lots pf people have had to readjust their earlier assessments regarding 9/11. Nothing unusual about that except with Christopher Bollyn, for example, who duplicitously and hostilely postures as if the subject of possible DEW/Beam weaponry originated with Judy Wood when it is traceable to him [as early as Feb 14, 2002]. Edited for bracketed insert. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You are right that it isn't a problem for no planers like me that the alleged impacts didn't damage or trigger a preset controlled demolition. Your debate team, though, should have some plausible hypotheticals about it besides serendipity. Thanks for your statement that there were no explosives in those areas but how could anyone be confident that explosive impacts would be contained so as not to interfere with or trigger the areas that were prepared with explosives? They couldn't, imo. I'm not against the idea of conventional controlled demolitions being used as well that day, probably as backup and cover for the evidently unconventional methods that pulverized the structures. What we saw on TV was like a terrifying art show. Since Jones hasn't adequately explained the devastation and you don't think exotic weaponry was used, what's the alternatives left? I doubt you want to consider the possibility that it was completely staged media fakery but, however it happened, Jones' Pied Piper routine is defunct. Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
titorite: LOL! Ah, Our beloved media. May no one ever claim they informed us. 9/11 is a horrific view of what the media's roll has been for centuries -- to provide bread and circuses as filler until the governmental wannabe "gods and goddesses" demand human sacrifices. Then they act as enabler "high priests and priestesses" to condition the masses for the slaughters and keep that going until the "ruling classes" are appeased for a while with blood, death, miseries and treasures. Then it ritually repeats, over and over, down through the ages to this one. About the only difference in modern times is that it's called War "of necessity" so that the maximal number of people are sacrificed and plundered. To delude themselves that they aren't barbarians, I suppose the Media and their masters chalk it up to "Fate" and the fault of others -- like at least they're giving some people a gladiator-type fighting chance now to survive the slaughter if they can rather than killing them directly on demand. Edited for spelling and wording. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Their is also the Internet to consider. At one time we were tied to our priests and religion held control.... Then religion was set aside for intellectual reason and our statesmen held control. Then people got educated, we all learned to read and write (gud nuff) and the paper came to replace our perceptions... followed by Radio... then the talkies and the TV and for a time Major corporations held control. Then one day the internet came along. And before anyone understood what happened WE were given the opportunity to have control. The media is still the whore that it is but it can not stop nor control the net. And it is through this medium that the revolution shall be won. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
lol Internet reports of unconventional weaponry used in the Afghanistan invasion. Am not endorsing them as true but here they are for consideration of this topic: US, NATO using Depleted Uranium to destroy Afghan's Gene Pool - Press TV video at YouTube [warning - graphic] 0:42 -1:07 "People have...lost their lives...without any physical sign of injury. And then there were, of course...bizarre...you know, scenes where...birds on...on...on trees had melted...and...and that kind of posed the question as to what's going on." The U.S. flatly denies this. poorrichard's blog DU destroying Afghans’ gene pool’ Dr. Mohammad Daud Miraki, the author of Afghanistan After Democracy: The Untold Story Through Photographic Images, told Press TV’s Kabul correspondent on Monday I have seen people die without any physical signs of injuries on their bodies in Afghanistan. There were bizarre scenes of birds melting on trees.” The United States’ use of radioactive munitions in Afghanistan has destroyed the people’s health and mutilated the genetic future of the country, Press TV reports. By Mohammed Daud Miraki, MA, MA, PhD 2-24-3 If they had killed us once, it would not be so bad. But what the Americans have brought upon us [My note: with DU/Depleted Uranium] is not only depriving us but our future generations of our basic god given human right, the right to live. They will be killing us for generations to come" At the fighting front north of Kabul, where Taliban forces were pounded night and day, many dead Taliban soldiers had no visible injuries except blood flowing out of their mouths, internal bleeding consistent with uranium based and chemical weapons. Furthermore, many dead Taliban soldiers had severe discoloration of the skin, orange, without being burned, while others had their rifles melted in their hands. This aroused suspicion among Taliban and others that weapons used by the US-UK military were not conventional weapons. Many Taliban soldiers that survived the bombing in the north have died after returning to their native villages in the south and southeast of the country. They had no physical injury upon their death, however, died from internal bleeding and other bizarre symptoms including uncontrolled vomiting, diarrhea, and blood loss in urine and stool. Their families were shocked with disbelieves. Another bizarre, yet tragic scene was reported near Rish-Khor military base in Kabul. Multiple witnesses reported seeing dead birds on tree branches with blood coming out of their mouths. As one witness put it: We were amazed to see all these birds sitting quietly on [tree] branches; but when we shook the tree the birds fell down and we saw blood coming out of their mouths. Then we climbed the trees to see those that were still stuck on tree branches, all of them had bled from their mouths. Two of the birds appeared to be partly melted into the trees branches." These various claims by witnesses of the US-UK bombing amply establishes that Weapon of Mass Destruction have been used. Efited sentence 1 + for brevity and formatting. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
It's already been discussed elsewhere in this 4um at length that the evidence indicates something involving electromagnetism -- perhaps even micro/mini nukes. So now you think radio waves brought down the towers? Explain to me how a radio wave brought down a 110 story building. As far as any sort of nuke, that has been eliminated due to the facts I present further below, which I have also previously presented on other threads. We know that there were surivors in Japan within the atomic blast zones. Oh really? Go find ANY reference on the Internet which exists that states there were survivors at Ground Zero in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The temperature turns as hot as that of the Sun, so go find me some people who survived several millions degrees of heat, besides being dosed with levels of radiation which would instantly kill them. Apparently, you want us to believe that wouldn't be the case on 9/11 with a smaller nuke either of some sort You were selling neutron bombs earlier, then once you figured out they emit WAY more radiation than coventional nuclear devices, and would have killed people in surrounding areas instantly with lethal radiation, you decided to move to the "micro-nuke" idea. What part of sequential failure do you not understand? For one, a nuclear device would ONLY have blown out the immediate area of detonation, it would not have resulted in a top down collapse, floor by floor, of the structure. A bright burst would have been visible, and there would have been an instant pulverization of surrounding structure, most likely in a spherical pattern. or with Directed Energy weaponry either Again, point out what sort of weapon would cause a sequential floor by floor collapse at near free fall speed. Where would it be fired from, and where would it get its energy? Find ANY sort of DEW technology online that could cause a sequential failure to occur... but somehow they would survive being flash-fried by a nano- thermite/thermate explosion -- because it was actually a very low to no-flash form of thermite/thermate that didn't produce much light or heat, just "pancake powder"?? Do you know what an EXPLOSIVE is? Have you ever seen conventional explosives used to bring down a structure? Conventional explosives produce tremendously high pressure, pulverizing anything in their blast radius. Larger bursts produce the sort of pulverization witnessed in the WTC collapse. Advanced explosives composed of nano-thermite would most likely provide not only much higher pressures than conventional explosives, but also would be fine tunable in terms of detonation speed depending on their particle size. The so-called pancaking powder flew up and outward as the buildings came down. That tells us that there wasn't the weight crashing down that would be required to pulverize the structures. With the underlying floors having their support links destroyed by explosives sequentially, there would be little or no resistance to the collapsing mass of debris coming from above. As the air between the floors was instantly compressed to extremely high pressure by the sudden compression of space between the collapsing mass and the floor below, enhanced by the explosive high pressure coming from the explosives themselves, debris was ejected outwards at explosive speeds. As the debris fell, a huge void of air was formed above the collapsing mass, causing air to rush in from all directions to fill that void. That air contained clouds of dust and drifted upwards once the air in the void had returned back to normal pressure. 9/11 was an Act of War against us, not some campfire-story fashion show that has to be reduced to conformity with a short-stack of thermitic flap- jacks, syrupy molten metal, and remote controlled butter-planes on the side to suit your group. You're trying to dismiss known facts as if they didn't exist. Planes DID impact the towers, since there is not ONE person who has come forward stating that they had a clear view of the impact area and saw no plane, but did witness an explosion. The entrance holes were there, and there WAS smoke rising from the damaged areas. Remote controlled aircraft crashing into the towers is a much more likely sceneraio than relying on Captain Kirk and the starship Enterprise firing a controlled phaser blast from Earth orbit. Just for kicks, you might want to explain how crashing and exploding planes wouldn't severely damage the sequencing of a preset controlled demolition or immediately trigger a C4Thermitic one. For one, if the planes were flown remotely, it'd be known EXACTLY where they would impact. It would not be difficult to avoid placing explosives in the area of planned impact. Name what it is about that interview which you feel needs to be addresed. I had presented her earlier work to show how she has already proven that a sequential failure had occured. Now tell me, what is it about that work that you disagree with. Later on this.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist, what part of "they would have known where the planes would impact if THEY flew them via remote control to their targets" do you fail to understand? Both you and YOUR team divert attention away from actual hard facts, and lead your readers and followers on trips down the rabbit hole. The more bizarre your claim, the harder you push it, while tearing down those who find holes in your theories. If anything, you're just the flip side of what the main stream media provides, where they tell ONE impossible story, and your "team" provides the OTHER impossible stories, with both sources mixing in a BIT of truth in order to make it all seem believable. When all the actual facts and evidence are examined, and the ongoing coverup considered, it becomes clear that YOUR "team" is acting in concert with the MSM team to misdirect readers and obfuscate the entire body of 9/11 knowledge with impossible and implausible events, and lead people away from what REALLY happened on that day. I do not believe sequential failure occurred. For sequential failure to occur the buildings would have fallen at a much slower rate. What people saw on 9/11 was sequential timed explosions all the way down the building. God is always good!
That's what I meant by sequential failure. In other words, the underlying floors were demolished with explosives fractions of a second prior to the upper structure converging into them. Since the upper structure still had to slow down for a fraction of a second as it impacted the floor below, the fall was not pure free fall speed. If the floors had been detonated a full second sooner or so, the collapse would have been MUCH closer to free fall speed, thus revealing that it WAS controlled demolition to even the most perceptially challenged. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha Anyone as lazy as you, so lazy they can not even do a google search for themselves is by no means an activist of any kind.... you're just an angry troll. Back on ignore... My apologies for taking you off that list. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Those are people that were within 2 km of ground zero, or who were affected by the fallout in any way. They were not AT ground zero, as they would need to be in some sort of alien ship to withstand a direct nuclear blast. Get your facts straight and stop peddling BS. Upon further thought, that comment needs to be addressed. Each and every time you are proven wrong, you lash out with lies and personal attacks. You prove YOURSELF to be that angry troll you mention. Again, you project YOUR faults onto your victims. Link Excerpts: Introducing the Particle-Beam Weapon by Dr. Richard M. Roberds; published in Air University Review, July-August 1984 Millimeter-wave energy to be used in a weapon by Peter Clarke; published in EE Times June 6, 2001 US hails airborne laser as weapons milestone, ABC News, October 29, 2006 4um Title: Mini-Neutron Bombs A Major Piece of the 9-11 Puzzle Possible 9/11 EMP effects: [sic] before any tower “collapse”, he noted: UNITED WAY - 9-11 funds go to left-wing causes unconnected with terror (you MUST read this!) According to spokeswoman Edwina Martin [sic] the $40,000 grant was necessary because, "If we don't have our phones and computers, we can't do anything and people are left with nothing." She noted that the offices were "fairly close" to the World Trade Center, and that "equipment wasn't functioning." YouTube: Media Acknowledges Steel Turned to Dust on 9/11 (Full Clip) | ABC News World Trade Center Demolition [Nukes at the WTC hypotheses] I do not believe this “glitter” was glass in the black smoke. Perhaps it is more likely that gamma rays from nuclear explosions which could readily traverse the black smoke, impinged on his retina. This is like the YouTube: 911 FOX Live - the dustification of the World Trade Center North Tower -- glittering smoke at 0:40 911 sparklers in the 911 smoke at the beginning (All that glitters is not gold!). Looks like Disney's fairy godmother is showing up in the 911 magic smoke. Those are not reflections. 4um Title: A Brief Summary: WTC Destruction & High Temperature Aftermath: ONLY Nuclear Bombs and the China Syndrome Fit All the Evidence - Post #67 [Molecular Dissociation] SPACE WEAPONS IN USE: BOB FITRAKIS -- Warning. Graphic war casualties footage at 5:21-5:35. Mentions [at 3:41-4:18] the vehicles destroyed in the area of the WTC as being similar to what is seen in the Academy Award-winning documentary, "Panama Deception". An eyewitness [at 4:18-4:57] mentions cars cut in half by lasers. Also mentions melted guns and other similarities to the Afghanistan reporting at Post #66. Edited for 2 more 4um reference additions + last video section and comment + formatting. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Those are people that were within 2 km of ground zero, or who were affected by the fallout in any way. They were not AT ground zero, as they would need to be in some sort of alien ship to withstand a direct nuclear blast. Get your facts straight and stop peddling BS. The bombs were detonated in the air. Ground zero is the blast radius -- not an impact point on the ground. See pic caption at the Wikipedia site: ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Aside from the facts that remote control wouldn't make planes able to exceed their structural limits at such high speeds and low altitudes and that it wouldn't prevent them from being broken apart on the outside of the buildings when they hit, it also would not guarantee that they would explode, splatter fuel and burn inside the buildings without damaging preset demolitions or immediately igniting thermitics. I would think that's just common sense. Edited to reword for clarity. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You: So now you think radio waves brought down the towers? Explain to me how a radio wave brought down a 110 story building. Don't confuse me with Steven Jones. He thinks radio waves triggered thermitics to bring down 110 story buildings: No, I wasn't. Now you're confusing me with other posters. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Everyone who watches that video should be amazed at all the debris flying at WTC 1 from WTC 2 as it fell and it was practically like water off a duck's back -- no significant damage from it. Very sensationalistic, too, how WTC 1 started crumbling like on cue at the word "praying".
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I think you're confusing me with Jones again there -- and yourself. Please be more careful not to do that henceforth. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Introducing the Particle-Beam Weapon by Dr. Richard M. Roberds; published in Air University Review, July-August 1984 Particle beams do not have any destructive power of their own, other than frying the electronics of their targets by overloading them with charged particles. So no, they would not have been able to bring down ANY structure, never mind a 110 story skyscraper. Besides, they'd need some sort of platform to fire this beam from. Where would it be? Millimeter-wave energy to be used in a weapon by Peter Clarke; published in EE Times June 6, 2001 Millimeter-wave is just another word for extremely high frequency microwaves. High power microwaves heat their targets. Other uses are for radar, and for body scanners at airports. They can not bring down structures. US hails airborne laser as weapons milestone, ABC News, October 29, 2006 At short distances, an airborne laser can heat up a missile to the point it fails. It can not bring down a structure. So no, you haven't found any directed energy weapon capable of bringing down ANY building never mind the WTC towers. Try again. You can't even use Wiki very well can you... From Ground zero - Wiki So go stand under a nuclear detonation and tell us how it feels. Ground zero is the area on the ground under or at the point of detonation. If you think ANY living creature can survive the temperature of the sun, along with incredible amounts of gamma radiation as well as the blast itself, you just go ahead and keep on believing that. Explosives could be set in areas where the planes would have been KNOWN to NOT impact. Specialized explosives exist which can only be triggered by detonators. You're attempting to debunk the ACTUAL EVIDENCE of nano-thermite found in the WTC debris, and spewing every ridiculous tale you can dream up of phaser beams which don't exist, nuclear explosions, massive conspiracies involving every television network and their employees, the airports, the FAA, victim's families, they ALL had to be in on it for your no-plane theories to be even remotely possible. It's quite obvious what you and your "team" are up to, and it has nothing to do with clarifying what happened the morning of 9/11; instead, you are on a mission to dirty the waters as much as possible, mixing every looney piece of misinformation you can conjure up with a small set of actual true facts, most likely to discredit those actual facts with your ridiculously impossible assertions. So what are you peddling now? Are you trying to say that the towers never collapsed, that they're still standing? You claimed that it is possible to destroy a 110 story skyscaper using "electromagnetism", while hopping all over "direct energy beams". In case you didn't know, a "beam" of electromagnetism is a high frequency radio wave known as a microwave beam (radar for instance). FL: You can't even use Wiki very well can you... From Ground zero - Wiki So go stand under a nuclear detonation and tell us how it feels. Ground zero is the area on the ground under or at the point of detonation. If you think ANY living creature can survive the temperature of the sun, along with incredible amounts of gamma radiation as well as the blast itself, you just go ahead and keep on believing that. Maybe you better define what you think are the measurements for the term Ground Zero. Is it the same size as the bomb above it before it explodes? Is it the size of the bomb's pattern of explosion, regardless of any casualties and damages beyond it? Is it just precisely the very middle/hypocenter of the blast? -- a pinpoint? What are the dimensions of a hypocenter? Shima Hospital in Hiroshima? [Ref. your Wikipedia link and the red marked map of Ground Zero there, which looks like a much bigger area than a hospital.] When the WTC is spoken of as Ground Zero, the dimensions are 16 acres. [Ref. your Wikipedia link] In the first place, as your own Wiki reference says: The Oxford English Dictionary, citing the use of the term in a 1946 New York Times report on the destroyed city of Hiroshima, defines ground zero as "that part of the ground situated immediately under an exploding bomb, especially an atomic one." The term was military slang, used at the Trinity site where the weapon tower for the first nuclear weapon was at "point zero", and moved into general use very shortly after the end of World War II. At Hiroshima, the hypocenter of the attack was Shima Hospital. The points on the ground directly beneath the bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are: the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- closest to the detonations as compared to their surrounding areas within the larger blast and fallout ranges. Ground Zero defined as an Air Zero coordinate point is ridiculous, imo. The bomb-target wasn't just Shima Hospital in Hiroshima. They could have used a regular bomb for that if it was, without all the "Ground Zero" hype. The bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and there were many survivors there -- more than expected. Depending on the source, 1 (certified) to 165 also survived the bombing of Nagasaki. [165 - Reference the link titorite posted: Hibakusha - Wikipedia; 1 - Reference thesurvivorsclub.org: Meet the Only Survivor of Both Atomic Bombs Dropped on Japan - Tsutomu Yamaguchi] Secondly, the causal reason we're talking about WWII Japan here is because (at #67) you twisted my general comment (at #59) from "atomic blast zones" to "Ground Zero" but, at that time, you seemed to equate the term with the blast zones generally, too, rather than splitting hairs over the hypocenter line upward to the bomb, as you've done since then. You at Post #67: "Oh really? Go find ANY reference on the Internet which exists that states there were survivors at Ground Zero in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The temperature turns as hot as that of the Sun, so go find me some people who survived several millions degrees of heat, besides being dosed with levels of radiation which would instantly kill them." The Hibakusha link states that 210,830 were still alive in March of this year. If you disagree, you could ask the Japanese government about that, I suppose. But if you really think that temperatures "as hot as that of the sun" were confined by Ground Zero definition in Hiroshima to the hypocenter of Shima Hospital, you shouldn't be too disagreeable, imo. I don't know at what point you actually think "ANY living creature" would have to be on this planet to survive such a temperature emanating from Japan -- the poles, maybe -- but, of course, when investigating the possibility (however remote) of nukes at the WTC on 9/11, we are not doing so on the same scale as the bombings of Japan. Edited to expand quote from Post #67 and for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Not many people are going to read this here on 4um. Not sure if you are being paid to post this or you really believe it, but the government sucks at innovation and technology. If they didn't steal ideas and inventions from others then they would have nothing. I don't believe they are ahead in technology for a second because they are just slightly above the retard level. All they have is force through hired goons, intelligent people know this and do not let the world know of their inventions until they are ready to make them public on a world wide scale. The government if anything is behind the technology curve in the private world, not ahead of it.
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#51. To: titorite (#41)
Now, you brought up my miss spelling of D.A.R.P.A. . Was their a reason you did not use proper punctuation of the acronym?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#52. To: RickyJ (#49)
Any directed energy weapon that would turn concrete and steel beams into dust surely would have killed any humans as well.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#53. To: titorite, RickyJ (#50)
At least I think we all know now where you two stand in the line and what loyalties yall perfer serve.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#54. To: FormerLurker (#52)
There are other factors which eliminates directed energy weapons as well.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#55. To: RickyJ (#45)
He won't address that because he doesn't care about the truth.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: tom007 (#54)
The towers were blown outward, No?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#57. To: Horse (#0)
#58. To: Turtle (#57)
Isn't it interesting that you can tell someone is a lunatic just from her face?
#59. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#52)
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If we had such weapons, we would be using them right now against any nation that the elites wanted to attack. It would be more devastating than the nuclear bomb, and such unbalanced power would most assuredly result in a global conflict of unmatched proportion.
#60. To: GreyLmist (#59)
#61. To: FormerLurker (#55)
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Thus far, he's called on me to disprove Judy Wood's work, where her OWN previous work demonstrates the opposite of what he is claiming.
#62. To: RickyJ (#60)
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Why is it that you think a directed energy weapon could be contained within such a narrow range as the building and produce such massive damage yet leave human survivors? Please, we all weren't born yesterday. The firemen heard explosions before the building started coming down. What you saw on TV was tons of explosives going off sequentially on each floor. You ask what about the impact zone? Well, you think there was no real planes, so that shouldn't be a problem for you, but you will also notice that the impact zone was the only area that did not explode, the rest of the building did, but the impact area didn't. Obviously they didn't have any explosives in that area.
#63. To: titorite, farmfriend, All (#35)
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farmfriend: when did this conversation wander into the role of the media?
#64. To: GreyLmist (#63)
#65. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker, *9-11*, *No Planers* (#59)
9/11 was an Act of War against us, not some campfire-story fashion show that has to be reduced to conformity with a short-stack of thermitic flap- jacks, syrupy molten metal, and remote controlled butter-planes on the side to suit your group. Just for kicks, you might want to explain how crashing and exploding planes wouldn't severely damage the sequencing of a preset controlled demolition or immediately trigger a C4Thermitic one.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#66. To: titorite, All (#64)
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#67. To: GreyLmist, wudidiz, *9-11* (#59)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: GreyLmist (#61)
You've been called on to address the current issues, not her previous work.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#69. To: FormerLurker (#67)
#70. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#62)
Your debate team, though, should have some plausible hypotheticals about it besides serendipity. Thanks for your statement that there were no explosives in those areas but how could anyone be confident that explosive impacts would be contained so as not to interfere with or trigger the areas that were prepared with explosives?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#71. To: FormerLurker (#68)
I had presented her earlier work to show how she has already proven that a sequential failure had occured.
#72. To: RickyJ (#71)
What people saw on 9/11 was sequential timed explosions all the way down the building.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: FormerLurker (#67)
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Oh really? Go find ANY reference on the Internet which exists that states there were survivors at Ground Zero in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
#74. To: titorite (#73)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#75. To: titorite (#73)
you're just an angry troll.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#76. To: All (#5)
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rigorousintuition.ca • View topic - Where Did The Towers Go
(Let's remember, the government is always at least 15-20 years ahead in technology from where they publicly admit.)
Various Energy Weaponry: Posts #180, #181 and #182
World Trade Center Demolition
The interview of Dr. Michael Guttenberg, of NYFD’s Office of Medical Affairs, who may have witnessed EMP is here.
“…on the EMS radio, there was absolute silence for probably 10 or 15 seconds, you know, which to me, it seemed like 10 to 15 seconds, but it was absolute radio silence for a few seconds…”
Another beneficiary of the September 11 Fund is Legal Services of New York, which received a grant of $40,000 "to replace phones, computers and other office equipment destroyed in the attack."
Uploaded by Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez on Nov 10, 2010
Lt. Smiouskas believed that a nuclear bomb went off, due to the magnitude of Earth shaking that he felt. As a tower is being destroyed he recalls [sic] seeing “glitter” through the black smoke, during tower destruction.
"Everybody started running north, and this huge volume like ten stories high billowing, pushing black smoke and like a glitter. I guess it was glass that was glitter that was in the cloud of smoke.”
a[s] tronauts in earth orbit seeing (retinal) flashes from cosmic rays when they tried to go to a higher earth orbit [sic]Published on May 27, 2012 by CNN911Fakes
'High tech space weapons are in use. The U.S. and Israeli military are lying about them. They're well established in the public record.' Video shows the Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) & mobile version (MTHEL). Lasers have been weaponized since 1971, at least. See Col. Doug Beason's glorification of ABL (airborn lasers), ADS (active denial systems), RME (relay mirrors) and SSL (solid state lasers) in his book The Electron Bomb: How America's New Directed Energy Weapons Will Change the Way Future Wars Will Be Fought (2005). Vid calls attention to the prize-winning documentary Panama Deception. The GHW Bush invasion of Panama in Dec 1989 was used as a testing ground for laser-maser- crazer weapons. Prof. Fitrakis spoke at the Madison 9/11 conference hosted by Prof. Jim Fetzer, Aug 5, 2007 filmed by Josh Harvey of Snowshoefilms (pt. 2 of 2). Scenes from Star Wars in Iraq and Panama Deception. Music thanks to Alistair Hulett, 'Shot Down in Flames'. (see Joe Friendly (youtube) for unedited version). See our video on youtube,'Can You Help Us Please?' for pictures of some of the advanced Israel-US weapons used on Lebanese civilians in July 2006.
#77. To: FormerLurker (#74)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha
Panoramic view of the monument marking the hypocenter, or ground zero, of the atomic bomb explosion over Nagasaki.
#78. To: FormerLurker (#70)
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GreyLmist, what part of "they would have known where the planes would impact if THEY flew them via remote control to their targets" do you fail to understand?
#79. To: FormerLurker (#67)
Me: It's already been discussed elsewhere in this 4um at length that the evidence indicates something involving electromagnetism -- perhaps even micro/mini nukes.
911 The no plane chronicles 5of7
According to one of Steven Earl Jones' audios "thermate can be painted on" (and then "touched off" by some radio-controlled mechanism . The Great Professor does not explain whether you use a brush, or a roller, for the paint job - and is a bit 'light' on details of any 'radio control" mechanism to trigger off this 'toshing'. The point is this: It has to work. It has to work exactly, no 'messing' It has to work accurately, otherwise the building will topple. We should all be very grateful that former Professor Jones does not actually work in the Controlled Demolitions industry - and merely confines himself to making absurd statements about it)
You were selling neutron bombs earlier,
#80. To: FormerLurker (#67)
#81. To: FormerLurker (#70)
Both you and YOUR team divert attention away from actual hard facts, and lead your readers and followers on trips down the rabbit hole. The more bizarre your claim, the harder you push it, while tearing down those who find holes in your theories.
#82. To: GreyLmist (#76)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#83. To: GreyLmist (#77)
The bombs were detonated in the air. Ground zero is the blast radius -- not an impact point on the ground. See pic caption at the Wikipedia site:
The term ground zero (sometimes also known as surface zero[1] as distinguished from zero point[2]) describes the point on the Earth's surface closest to a detonation.[3] In the case of an explosion above the ground, ground zero refers to the point on the ground directly below the detonation (see hypocenter).
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#84. To: GreyLmist (#78)
it also would not guarantee that they would explode, splatter fuel and burn inside the buildings without damaging preset demolitions or immediately igniting thermitics. I would think that's just common sense.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#85. To: GreyLmist (#79)
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Don't confuse me with Steven Jones. He thinks radio waves triggered thermitics to bring down 110 story buildings:
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#86. To: GreyLmist (#80)
Everyone who watches that video should be amazed at all the debris flying at WTC 1 from WTC 2 as it fell and it was practically like water off a duck's back -- no significant damage from it
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: GreyLmist (#79)
He thinks radio waves triggered thermitics to bring down 110 story buildings:
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#88. To: FormerLurker (#83)
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Me: The bombs were detonated in the air. Ground zero is the blast radius -- not an impact point on the ground. See pic caption at the Wikipedia site:
The term ground zero (sometimes also known as surface zero[1] as distinguished from zero point[2]) describes the point on the Earth's surface closest to a detonation.[3] In the case of an explosion above the ground, ground zero refers to the point on the ground directly below the detonation (see hypocenter).
The origins of the term ground zero began with the Manhattan Project and the bombing of Japan. The Strategic Bombing Survey of the atomic attacks, released in June 1946, used the term liberally, defining it as: "For convenience, the term 'ground zero' will be used to designate the point on the ground directly beneath the point of detonation, or 'air zero.'"[4] William Laurence, an embedded reporter with the Manhattan Project, reported that "Zero" was "the code name given to the spot chosen for the atomic bomb test" in 1945.[5]
Me at Post #59: "We know that there were surivors in Japan within the atomic blast zones."
#89. To: GreyLmist (#88)
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