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Title: Rewriting prehistory: Dinosaurs ate grass
Source: AP
URL Source: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/ ... 117-1435-dinograss-eaters.html
Published: Nov 18, 2005
Author: Lauran Neergaard
Post Date: 2005-11-18 14:13:19 by A K A Stone
Keywords: prehistory:, Rewriting, Dinosaurs
Views: 521
Comments: 81

WASHINGTON – Imagine dinosaur terrain – full of ferns and palms, right? Better add some grass to that picture. A new discovery debunks the theory that grasses didn't emerge until long after the dinosaurs died off.

Fossilized dung tells the story: The most prominent plant-eating dinosaurs were digesting different varieties of grass between 65 million and 71 million years ago, researchers report Friday in the journal Science.

Advertisement Click Me! The earliest grass fossils ever found were about 55 million years old – from the post-dinosaur era.

It's a big surprise for scientists, who had never really looked for evidence of grass in dino diets before. After all, grass fossils aside, those sauropods – the behemoths with the long necks and tails and small heads – didn't have the special kind of teeth needed to grind up abrasive blades.

"Most people would not have fathomed that they would eat grasses," noted lead researcher Caroline Stromberg of the Swedish Museum of Natural History.

Stromberg and a team of paleobotanists from India analyzed sauropod dung – the scientific term is coprolites – found in central India.

The coprolites contained microscopic particles of silica called phytoliths, which form inside plant cells in distinctive patterns that essentially act as a signature.

Amid the expected plants were numerous phytoliths certain to have come from the grass family, report Stromberg and Vandana Prasad of India's Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeobotany. They included relatives of rice and bamboo and forage-type grasses.

They didn't eat a lot of grass, the evidence shows.

But grasses must have originated considerably earlier, well over 80 million years ago, for such a wide variety to have evolved and spread to the Indian subcontinent in time to be munched by sauropods, they concluded.

"These remarkable results will force reconsideration of many long-standing assumptions" about dinosaur ecology, wrote Dolores Piperno and Hans-Dieter Sues of the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of Natural History in an accompanying review.

Beyond the great curiosity about dinosaur life, the discovery has implications about the coevolution of this huge plant family – there are about 10,000 separate grass species – with other plant-eaters, Piperno explained.

Indeed, a mysterious early mammal that roamed among the dinosaurs had more suitable teeth for grazing, raising the possibility of an early adaptation, the researchers note.

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#5. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Fossilized dung tells the story: The most prominent plant-eating dinosaurs were digesting different varieties of grass between 65 million and 71 million years ago, researchers report Friday in the journal Science.

Interesting, considering that you've previously argued that the Earth is only 6000 years old.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-11-18   14:55:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Dakmar (#5)

Interesting, considering that you've previously argued that the Earth is only 6000 years old.

They proved the dung had grass matter in it. They did not prove their point on the age. They are still wrong on the age. Radio carbon dating and other dating methods have been proven wrong. They use assumptions and circular reasoning.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   16:26:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#11)

Whatever, I suggest you read the article again. It doesn't say a damned thing about ALL dinosaurs eating grass. The only contention among scientists is when grasses first appeared.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-11-18   16:28:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Dakmar (#12)

See comment 13. Grass was on the first day if my memory serves me correct. Certainly in the first few days. (less then 6).

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   16:30:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#14)

Grass was on the first day if my memory serves me correct.

Absolutely, they needed something for Dionysis to throw up on...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-11-18   16:48:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Dakmar (#16)

Absolutely, they needed something for Dionysis to throw up on...

On a more serious matter. What is your position? Are you a darwinist to the core? Are you not sure and open? A mix? What?

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   16:52:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#20)

On a more serious matter. What is your position? Are you a darwinist to the core? Are you not sure and open? A mix? What?

I'm an atheist, so obviously I think all creations myths are equally silly, therefore equally valid, comparatively speaking. I don't care if they teach I.D. in public schools as philosophy or religion, but I swear to Odin I'll get my machete and hack to death the first teacher that tries out that material in a Hoosier public school. Well, I'll take a run at them and give them a good fright anyway. Who am I kidding, I'm too busy for all that.

It seems obvious to me that the Earth has been around more than 6000 years just from looking at the Grand Canyon.

I don't care what people believe, I care about the money they've taken from me to convince others that their belief is the correct one. I also get more than a little cranky when people say I'm evil or dull witted, or even some sort of socialist for having the worldview with which I was born. The people that think I'm a socialist are the funniest.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-11-18   18:48:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Dakmar (#33)

It seems obvious to me that the Earth has been around more than 6000 years just from looking at the Grand Canyon.

I think the Grand canyon is marvelous proof of the flood. It was created rapidly. Think of water rushing through soft dirt on a very large scale.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   19:07:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: A K A Stone (#34)

I think the Grand canyon is marvelous proof of the flood. It was created rapidly. Think of water rushing through soft dirt on a very large scale.

Then why don't all the worlds soft areas have a grand canyon?

Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-11-18   20:51:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Dude Lebowski (#45)

Then why don't all the worlds soft areas have a grand canyon?

Because their was a world wide flood. Sediment was deposited there. Then water came rushing through and carved it out. You don't think that tiny stream eroded that over millions of years do you?

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   20:53:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: A K A Stone, Dude Lebowski, dakmar (#46)

en why don't all the worlds soft areas have a grand canyon?

Because their was a world wide flood. Sediment was deposited there. Then water came rushing through and carved it out. You don't think that tiny stream eroded that over millions of years do you?

"Then water came rushing through and carved it out."

Mummm - the GC mesa surface is located at the 7500 - 8300 foot elevation level, much higher then the areas UPSTREAM of the Colorado River. For example, Moab Utah, where the river is right at the level of the surface of the land, is about 5000 feet, and is something like 200 miles UPSTREAM from the GC.

In plain language, your method for the GC creation makes no sense at all. Unless water runs uphill to a high plateau even when there exits a multitude of other lower courses for the "flood" to choose to go.

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