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Title: Rewriting prehistory: Dinosaurs ate grass
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URL Source: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/ ... 117-1435-dinograss-eaters.html
Published: Nov 18, 2005
Author: Lauran Neergaard
Post Date: 2005-11-18 14:13:19 by A K A Stone
Keywords: prehistory:, Rewriting, Dinosaurs
Views: 649
Comments: 81
WASHINGTON – Imagine dinosaur terrain – full of ferns and palms, right? Better add some grass to that picture. A new discovery debunks the theory that grasses didn't emerge until long after the dinosaurs died off. Fossilized dung tells the story: The most prominent plant-eating dinosaurs were digesting different varieties of grass between 65 million and 71 million years ago, researchers report Friday in the journal Science. Advertisement Click Me! The earliest grass fossils ever found were about 55 million years old – from the post-dinosaur era. It's a big surprise for scientists, who had never really looked for evidence of grass in dino diets before. After all, grass fossils aside, those sauropods – the behemoths with the long necks and tails and small heads – didn't have the special kind of teeth needed to grind up abrasive blades. "Most people would not have fathomed that they would eat grasses," noted lead researcher Caroline Stromberg of the Swedish Museum of Natural History. Stromberg and a team of paleobotanists from India analyzed sauropod dung – the scientific term is coprolites – found in central India. The coprolites contained microscopic particles of silica called phytoliths, which form inside plant cells in distinctive patterns that essentially act as a signature. Amid the expected plants were numerous phytoliths certain to have come from the grass family, report Stromberg and Vandana Prasad of India's Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeobotany. They included relatives of rice and bamboo and forage-type grasses. They didn't eat a lot of grass, the evidence shows. But grasses must have originated considerably earlier, well over 80 million years ago, for such a wide variety to have evolved and spread to the Indian subcontinent in time to be munched by sauropods, they concluded. "These remarkable results will force reconsideration of many long-standing assumptions" about dinosaur ecology, wrote Dolores Piperno and Hans-Dieter Sues of the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of Natural History in an accompanying review. Beyond the great curiosity about dinosaur life, the discovery has implications about the coevolution of this huge plant family – there are about 10,000 separate grass species – with other plant-eaters, Piperno explained. Indeed, a mysterious early mammal that roamed among the dinosaurs had more suitable teeth for grazing, raising the possibility of an early adaptation, the researchers note.
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#42. To: Dude Lebowski (#41)
It doesn't blow anything out of the water. The idea that they existed before man is speculation nothing more.
Why are you calling me a troll. Im just a nice guy that likes to discuss politics , origins and stuff like that. Any ways nice to meet you.
Im sure T-REX could have eaten meat after the curse. The world was changed then. Perhaps part of the curse.
Then why don't all the worlds soft areas have a grand canyon?
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Because their was a world wide flood. Sediment was deposited there. Then water came rushing through and carved it out. You don't think that tiny stream eroded that over millions of years do you?
Also if you have ever been through the badlands you can see where the water lines were after the flood. So obvious.
So before the curse when animals didn't die, God have commanded them to be fruitful and multiply, now realizing the Garden of Eden was a finite area (as defined later in Genesis) wouldn't that amount to a population problem? If God would have created Malthus earlier, could he have been warned of this problem?
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Who says they would have been confined to the garden of Eden when the population grew. Interesting question though. But we can only assume what the outcome would have been.
Whatever you have to believe to make the pieces fit, more power to ya. BTW, you never 'splained what's up with those dozen other species of hominids relative to the Genesis story. Were Neanderthal brought before Adam to be named? Was Cro-magnon made in God's image.
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Take it a step further and where would they live when they infested the entire earth? Would God have furnished spaceships to take them elsewhere?
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Their are many sizes and shapes of people. I know Luch for example was a fraud. Bones found hundreds of yards or further apart. Can you say piltdown man. Back to the bible. Their was a race of Giants in the bible. Remember the evil report that came back to moses. Their is also talk of a race of beings that were part angelic or something. "the sons of god" "daughters of man".
We are still not at that point today. Im sure it would work out just fine. What about the size of the sun and how if the earth was millions or billions of years old the sun would have been so large we would be charcoal.
What is a 'Luch'?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
I appolagise. I mistyped. Lucy
Does Jesus screech in your ear real loud every time you try to spell multi-syllable words?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
No that's what he has you for.
your tag (lmao)
No, Jesus likes me because I'm free spirited, he told me so in a dream.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
Im sure he does. Has their ever been a time in your life when you believed in God?
Flood geology, creation geology and diluvial geology are terms used by creationists to describe the study of geologic phenomena with reference to the purported events of the Great Flood as described in Genesis. Many creationists regard Genesis as providing a scientifically accurate record for the geological history of the Earth. Specifically, the Great Flood is claimed to be the origin of most of the Earth's geological features, including sedimentary strata, fossilization, fossil fuels, submarine canyons, salt domes, and frozen mammoths. As these claims of evidence are not accepted within the science of geology, flood geology is categorized as pseudoscience
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And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
Actually their are lots and lots of scientists with scientific credentials that support creationism. Go to the badlands sometime. For miles and miles their are like mud piles, obviously laid down by the flood. Their are lines that run parallel that look like the lines where water eroded. The lines are on the same plane miles and miles apart. Only level water could accomplish that feat.
Maybe for a breif second in the early 70's, before my 85 year old great grandmother was beat to death with a walking stick by her 86 year old beau...
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
Are you saying that you don't believe because there is evil in the world?
Soft dirt??? Vishniu Schist (sp)is not "soft dirt", by a very long shot, nor are most of the other layers of the GC. Ever been to the bottom to see for yourself?
Not at all, frontline violence convinced me it was stupid to even dream most people will love or at least respect one another. My family comes from money, too, man. Don't forget that.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
No I haven't. I hope to someday. Dr. Gary Parker has though. He used to teach evolution at the college level. He wrote a book on evolution. Now he recognizes it for the bullshit it is. He has been their. He thinks its proof of the flood. His hypothesis make sense. Evolutionists don't. Most Americans dont buy the lie of evolution. See any poll if you don't believe me.
The Bible does say we have a sin nature. Your family comes from money huh. Are you near the ohio. I could use some extra work its getting a little slow. You know home improvements and stuff.
We can't sacrifice everyone we meet in the name of science now, can we? Really? Great, add carrots for cat food.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
Should I cut off my foreskin now?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
If that's what you want to do. I bet it would hurt real bad though. Im glad I was circumcised as an infant.
Because their was a world wide flood. Sediment was deposited there. Then water came rushing through and carved it out. You don't think that tiny stream eroded that over millions of years do you? "Then water came rushing through and carved it out." Mummm - the GC mesa surface is located at the 7500 - 8300 foot elevation level, much higher then the areas UPSTREAM of the Colorado River. For example, Moab Utah, where the river is right at the level of the surface of the land, is about 5000 feet, and is something like 200 miles UPSTREAM from the GC. In plain language, your method for the GC creation makes no sense at all. Unless water runs uphill to a high plateau even when there exits a multitude of other lower courses for the "flood" to choose to go.
I was joking, but I hear Jeff Gannon is hiring.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
Are you being funny???
Have you been through the bad lands?
South Dakota BL - yes, Bisti Geologic area New Mexico, Yes, Utah yes.
Bad Lands Louisana? Katrina was a killer I tell ya.
We are still not at that point today. Dude, that's because critters die and they are consumed by bacteria which presumably didn't have the job of clean up when the world was harmonious prior to original sin (playing debbils advocate here). In the archaic and ridiculous version, the world was perfect because humans hadn't fucked up yet, critters didn't die but were able to multiply. You said, well they could have gone beyond the garden of Eden, but the Earth is still a finite area, right? Had Adam and Eve not opted to be bad little chilluns, critters would have long since filled up every living area and would be stacked on top of one another. But you can't seem to follow the thought clearly from start to finish. What's more believable to the rational mind is that since the dawn of life (who knows how/what/why) on this planet that organisms were competing for food and resources. Every ancient tribe had their explanations of the beginnings, some are more ridiculous than the next but they are all speculation. The truth isn't known. What we do know is that (some) humans have aspirations to beautify their surroundings and increase their technical understandings. Both of these piss Yahewh off because he's the literary construct of ignorant minds. Read DEUT 4:16 "Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, 4:17 The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, 4:18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth" No it doesn't say for the purposes of idolatry, it says you cannot make art. Some of the finest creations of humanity. The Mohammedians have similar laws which they take seriously, because the two religions sprang from the same deserts among likeminded people. But Yahweh is jealous of the highest and most beautiful human expression; art. Which makes life bearable. Which makes people proud to be human. Which it is most decidedly our perogative to do. And why? Because he is a relic of foolish thought. Now I know some of the believers here will chime in about how I misunderstand what the almighty meant, or how another translation says something completely different. But that is indicitative of everything I've read in the book(s). From horrid burnt offerings of 7 lambs, 2 bullocks, 1 partridge in a pear tree to a pissy creator ready to scrap the whole project because he got his widdle feelings hurt. He ostensibly gave us free will and punishes us for exercising it (ie. the great flood). Bullshit and bullshit again. If that's the nature of this world, prostrating our worthless selves before a Oriental court with an affinity for shiny metals and gems then I'm an unrepentant sinner beacuse that's fucked up. It just can't be.
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He is. And I don't think it's intentional.
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Of course - critters like all sorts of veggies. All this talk of dino shit is just that, d.s...next. Mega cheers up your way, Dee.
Of course there were herbivore dinosaurs, there were carnivores ones which also existed prior to man. This blows the idea of original sin, as told in Genesis to shit.
#43. To: Dude Lebowski (#41)
Of course you're a troll, but let's go ahead with this anyway.
#44. To: Dude Lebowski (#41)
T-rex had all sharp teeth. Not a grass eater.
#45. To: A K A Stone (#34)
I think the Grand canyon is marvelous proof of the flood. It was created rapidly. Think of water rushing through soft dirt on a very large scale.
#46. To: Dude Lebowski (#45)
Then why don't all the worlds soft areas have a grand canyon?
#47. To: Dude Lebowski (#45)
#48. To: A K A Stone (#44)
Im sure T-REX could have eaten meat after the curse. The world was changed then. Perhaps part of the curse.
#49. To: Dude Lebowski (#48)
So before the curse when animals didn't die, God have commanded them to be fruitful and multiply, now realizing the Garden of Eden was a finite area (as defined later in Genesis) wouldn't that amount to a population problem? If God would have created Malthus earlier, could he have been warned of this problem?
#50. To: A K A Stone (#46)
Because their was a world wide flood. Sediment was deposited there. Then water came rushing through and carved it out. You don't think that tiny stream eroded that over millions of years do you?
#51. To: A K A Stone (#49)
Who says they would have been confined to the garden of Eden when the population grew.
#52. To: Dude Lebowski (#50)
BTW, you never 'splained what's up with those dozen other species of hominids relative to the Genesis story. Were Neanderthal brought before Adam to be named? Was Cro-magnon made in God's image.
#53. To: Dude Lebowski (#51)
Take it a step further and where would they live when they infested the entire earth? Would God have furnished spaceships to take them elsewhere?
#54. To: A K A Stone (#52)
I know Luch for example was a fraud.
#55. To: Dakmar (#54)
What is a 'Luch'?
#56. To: A K A Stone (#55)
I appolagise.
#57. To: Dakmar (#56)
Does Jesus screech in your ear real loud every time you try to spell multi-syllable words?
#58. To: Dude Lebowski (#51)
#59. To: A K A Stone (#57)
#60. To: Dakmar (#59)
No, Jesus likes me
#61. To: A K A Stone (#47)
Also if you have ever been through the badlands you can see where the water lines were after the flood. So obvious.
#62. To: A K A Stone (#60)
#63. To: Steppenwolf (#61)
As these claims of evidence are not accepted within the science of geology, flood geology is categorized as pseudoscience
#64. To: A K A Stone (#60)
Has their ever been a time in your life when you believed in God?
#65. To: Dakmar (#64)
Maybe for a breif second in the early 70's, before my 85 year old great grandmother was beat to death with a walking stick by her 86 year old beau...
#66. To: A K A Stone, dakmar (#34)
I think the Grand canyon is marvelous proof of the flood. It was created rapidly. Think of water rushing through soft dirt on a very large scale.
#67. To: A K A Stone (#65)
#68. To: tom007 (#66)
Ever been to the bottom to see for yourself?
#69. To: Dakmar (#67)
Not at all, frontline violence convinced me it was stupid to even dream most people will love or at least respect one another. My family comes from money, too, man. Don't forget that.
#70. To: tom007 (#66)
Ever been to the bottom to see for yourself?
#71. To: A K A Stone (#69)
The Bible does say we have a sin nature.
#72. To: Dakmar (#71)
Should I cut off my foreskin now?
#73. To: A K A Stone, Dude Lebowski, dakmar (#46)
en why don't all the worlds soft areas have a grand canyon?
#74. To: A K A Stone (#69)
Your family comes from money huh. Are you near the ohio. I could use some extra work its getting a little slow. You know home improvements and stuff.
#75. To: A K A Stone (#47)
Also if you have ever been through the badlands you can see where the water lines were after the flood. So obvious.
#76. To: tom007 (#75)
Are you being funny??
#77. To: A K A Stone (#76)
Have you been through the bad lands?
#78. To: A K A Stone (#47)
Also if you have ever been through the badlands you can see where the water lines were after the flood. So obvious.
#79. To: A K A Stone (#53)
Take it a step further and where would they live when they infested the entire earth?
#80. To: tom007 (#75)
Are you being funny???
#81. To: rowdee (#35)
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