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Title: Boniek claims court lacks legitimacy (Interesting case)
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URL Source: http://www.livingstonenterprise.com ... -claims-court-lacks-legitimacy
Published: Nov 21, 2012
Author: Camden Easterling
Post Date: 2012-11-21 11:18:18 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 195
Comments: 13

On Tuesday a former state legislator and candidate for lieutenant governor declared the misdemeanor criminal case against him dismissed after a justice of the peace adjourned proceedings amid disruption in the courtroom.

The judge says the case is still on, just delayed.

Joel Boniek, 51, of Paradise Valley, appeared in Park County’s Justice Court Monday afternoon for a court proceeding in which he and Justice of the Peace Linda Budeski and Deputy County Attorney Kathleen Carrick were slated to set a trial date.

Boniek, a Republican, served in the state House of Representatives in 2009 as the representative for House District 61. He lost his bid for re-election when he was challenged by long-time Republican state legislator John Esp of Big Timber. Boniek also was the running mate to Pray resident Bob Fanning, who ran in this year’s Republican primary for the governor’s race. Their bid for the primary was unsuccessful.

In July, Boniek was arrested on misdemeanor charges of obstructing a peace officer, resisting arrest and fleeing from or eluding a peace officer. He has pleaded not guilty.

Prosecutors say he failed to stop at an emergency roadblock set up near his home in the Paradise Valley during a July wildfire. They say he also refused to comply with officers’ orders.

In court Monday, Boniek appeared without an attorney but with many supporters, who filled the courtroom to standing room only save for a few other citizens and attorneys who were present for unrelated court matters.

Boniek told Budeski he had concerns about the matter at hand, including whether county employees handling the case had proper credentials and fulfilled criteria required by law, he said.

“This is not the time and place to be doing this,” Carrick said to Boniek and Budeski after Boniek broached his concerns. The proceeding was simply intended to set a trial date, she said.

“Your honor, why is this woman even speaking if she can’t prove she’s (a public official)?” Boniek responded, addressing Budeski.

A Boniek supporter in the room joined in, voicing support for Boniek’s questions. Budeski told him he was out of order.

“Bulls--t, you’re out of order,” he replied.

The man kept speaking as Budeski asked for order in the court. Law enforcement officers, who had been present at the hearing since it started, approached the man, whom the judge requested be escorted from the courtroom.

At some point, as the man continued to protest and a few other citizens voiced their support for Boniek and opposition to the proceedings, Budeski announced court was adjourned and walked out. Livingston Police Department officers and Park County Sheriff’s Office deputies tried to escort people out of the courtroom, although many initially declined to leave.

“The judge has left the room, I’m in charge now,” Boniek said.

“No, you’re not,” an officer responded.

“I’m supposed to be here for my own case,” said a man who looked perplexed by the events.

During the disruption, law enforcement officers also questioned Boniek about a “lump” an officer said he noticed under Boniek’s jacket. Officers asked Boniek if they could check whether the lump was a firearm, which are prohibited in the courthouse. Boniek declined to allow them to do so.

During an interview outside the City County Complex after court adjourned, Boniek said he’s concerned that the county officials involved lack the credentials required by Montana law to act in an official capacity. Among those requirements are that public officials be bonded and have proof of taking particular oaths, he said.

“No county official has proper credentials to hold public office,” he said. “I read the law in open court that says they have to have bonds. The county officials assured me no one had bonds.”

During an interview Monday afternoon, Carrick said that while county officials do not have “bonds,” they are insured and that insurance serves the same purpose as bonds. She also refuted Boniek’s other contentions, saying that Park County follows state law and fulfills the many requirements specified in Montana’s legal code.

Boniek, who said he seeks only “fairness and just treatment,” and several of his supporters say they can cite numerous examples of ways in which Park County officials are not in compliance with state law, and state and federal constitutional mandates.

And if public officials aren’t upholding the law themselves, there are serious implications for citizens and what rules they must follow when the rules are set by public officials, they said.

“The people expect me to abide by the law — but they do not and will not,” Boniek said, saying he was referring to law enforcement and court officials.

Boniek said his case was now over in light of Monday’s events.

“The judge abandoned the courtroom, and I announced the case dismissed as the last man standing in the courtroom,” he said.

Budeski on Monday said that despite Boniek’s take on the matter, the case is not dismissed. The court will have to send him another summons to appear and determine a trial date, she said.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

All of these courts are private businesses, utilizing a currency (FRNs and other commercial paper) that violates Constitutional standards (unless you've agreed to it) that have never been repealed.

All resistance is good !

"Bankers" - Kill em all and let Satan sort em out" !!!

noone222  posted on  2012-11-21   11:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: noone222 (#1)

Should he not have presented his argument regarding jurisdiction (lack thereof) before entering a plea? What is the point of entering a plea to a "judge" who lacks jurisdiction to try you? And wouldn't it be presumed he waived his jurisdictional argument by entering any plea whatsoever?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-11-21   13:05:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: James Deffenbach (#2) (Edited)

Should he not have presented his argument regarding jurisdiction (lack thereof) before entering a plea? What is the point of entering a plea to a "judge" who lacks jurisdiction to try you? And wouldn't it be presumed he waived his jurisdictional argument by entering any plea whatsoever?

I think he was trying to disqualify the officers from the roadblock, not the Judge.

Even though I think you're correct about the ramifications of entering a plea ...

The judge did bail (flee) though ... probably didn't have the correct oath filed or lacked the bond or both ... but that may not matter if everyone in the courtroom is a volunteer member of the commercial jurisdiction.

"Bankers" - Kill em all and let Satan sort em out" !!!

noone222  posted on  2012-11-21   13:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: noone222, JD, christine, 4 (#3)

I'm surprised that dude wasn't tased for the 'lump' in his coat...

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-11-21   14:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Lod (#4)

I'm surprised that dude wasn't tased for the 'lump' in his coat...

Maybe they knew it wasn't a gun ...

"Bankers" - Kill em all and let Satan sort em out" !!!

noone222  posted on  2012-11-21   19:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: noone222, ALL, Joel on AJ (#5)

christine  posted on  2012-11-21   21:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: noone222, James Deffenbach (#3)

he would only waive inpersonum jurisdiction not subject matter jurisdiction, which can be challenged at any time no matter how remote.


If either Moromney or Mammyjammyobammy win the November (s)election peoples with common sense will pray that December 21 2012 will indeed be the end of the world!

IRTorqued  posted on  2012-11-22   0:05:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: IRTorqued (#7)

I understand but think the best time to argue about the jurisdictional issue is before you enter a plea. For if they have no jurisdiction to hear the case then they are wasting the man's time and everyone else's time by having the hearing/trial.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-11-22   0:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: IRTorqued (#7)

he would only waive inpersonum jurisdiction not subject matter jurisdiction, which can be challenged at any time no matter how remote.

Agreed.

My opinion is that the courts presume both personum and subject matter jurisdiction based upon the parties acquiesence through various agreements with legal fictions, ie., SSN, Driver License, Bank Accounts, acceptance of Govt benefits, and many other adhesion contracts.

I think this guy will have a difficult time disproving the court's ability to enter a summary judgment because of his political past.

That's not to say an agreement won't be made. All crime is commercial and that's why most cases are "settled" or "negotiated" rather than adjudicated. Pleading to a lesser charge is like getting a discount on a new car ... commerce.

Having witnessed a plethora of well argued cases where the judge's ruling was contrary to "law" I am of the opinion that most cases are decided on another basis ... that being commercial law where summary judgment is the judge's best friend.

I once found a case in California where the appellate court's ruling (which was later on depublished) stated: "We are unable to uphold dry formalism above an exhausted fisc".

(The State and every prosecutor within it by amicus brief had argued against the lower court's ruling that opined that a bench warrant issued by a judge violated the separation of powers doctrine). The appellate court made their ruling to satisfy the State and the many prosecutors that filed amicus briefs. The Respondent (STAPF) didn't take the case any further and the State rather quickly depublished the ruling.

"We are unable to uphold dry formalism above an exhausted fisc" >>> We can't uphold the Constitution because the State needs the money.

"Bankers" - Kill em all and let Satan sort em out" !!!

noone222  posted on  2012-11-22   4:05:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: christine (#6)

I'm concerned that the STATES have capitulated to their owner THE FED without much awareness by the folks elected to serve. Of course, unless they challenge FEDERAL usurpation of presumed "states rights" / "state sovereignty" the legal reality will remain obscured.

"Bankers" - Kill em all and let Satan sort em out" !!!

noone222  posted on  2012-11-22   5:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: noone222, James Deffenbach (#9)

you are both correct, the easiest spider web to free one's self from is that which was never walked into.


If either Moromney or Mammyjammyobammy win the November (s)election peoples with common sense will pray that December 21 2012 will indeed be the end of the world!

IRTorqued  posted on  2012-11-22   8:12:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: IRTorqued (#11)

Indeed. Happy Thanksgiving my friend.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-11-22   9:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: James Deffenbach (#12)

and the same to you, I'm off to visit the grand kids even though I see them most weekdays.


If either Moromney or Mammyjammyobammy win the November (s)election peoples with common sense will pray that December 21 2012 will indeed be the end of the world!

IRTorqued  posted on  2012-11-22   12:09:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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