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Title: 911 and Thermite, The official Conspiracy Theory?
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=505uzsWbC30
Published: May 9, 2011
Author: 108morris108
Post Date: 2012-11-23 15:54:13 by GreyLmist
Keywords: 9/11, Andrew Johnson, Steven Jones, Thermites Theory
Views: 1810
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From the Description Section: Thermite does not turn steel to dust. Thermite does create a lot of flames. Each tower weighed 500,000 tons, no-one has seen anything like the quantity of flames that thermite would have created. Many more anomalies too. Burned out vehicles alongside unburnt paper (a lot of it) left intact. [sic] Thermite is simply Aluminium and Iron Oxide, two substances which were in great quantity in the Towers. Poster Comment: Jones' Thermite Theory evidently not published as peer reviewed.
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#8. To: Esso (#5)
I'm hoarding vowels.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Yeah, never know when you're gonna need a good supply of effin' "A"s. Sorry about sidetracking your thread, Grey. To get back on topic, this sounded like another misdirection play. None of them seem to know what caused their collapse, but they definately know what didn't.
Don't blame me. I didn't vote.
Teacher: What's the difference between 3 apples and 4 oranges? Diceman: That's what I say, homey. What's the fuckin' difference. Don't blame me. I didn't vote.
Correct! I've a good stock of EFAs. I'm sure that you do, too. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken I don't. I don't care if you leave the toilet seat up either. Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?
LOL I culd sav min nd pss thm on 2 u. Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?
I'm a sweetee. I wipe the seatee. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
LOL Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?
I used to make thermite when I was a kid and anyone who thinks it was used in the WTC doesn't know anything about thermite.
There are actually govt agents who spread conspiracy theories among the gullible to help promote the illusion that the govt is all powerful.
It's true that thermite, even the minute amounts that cling to processed steel, has explosive and combustible features. The remarkable thing is that these features were not known until after Sept 11th. In fact it was examination of the building debris that made that discovery possible. As no one was watching out for thermite when the WTC was being built, it is possible that there was enough thermite embedded in the structure to intensify or accelerate the building's collapse. But this would have been a surprise to everyone. This may explain why some architects and others insist - by relying on pre-2001 data - that there was something impossible about the way the building fell.
Oh, so you are more knowledgeable than a Professor of Physics and a Physical chemist based upon the experimentation you made as a youthful Darwin Award Candidate? Thing is Shoonra, the thermite found wasn't ordinary thermite, it was determined to be nanothermite, which is only available from military weapons sources, or for SOME commericial applications such as explosives. As far as thermite being present on processed steel, can you find me any sort of reference which makes that assertion? BTW, did you even know that nanothermite is used in EXPLOSIVES? From Nano-thermite - Wiki You're hopping up and down saying that it HAD to be a "directed energy beam" that caused the collapses, while ignoring the fact that the DOD has been looking into nano-thermite since the 90's for use in EXPLOSIVES. Right. Weapons grade, availlable only to the military and military connected. Much like the weapon grade anthrax unleashed after 9/11.
Don't blame me. I didn't vote.
I never really looked into nano-thermite in any depth until today. To find out it has been researched for use as an explosive by the military sheds new light on the overall picture. So THAT is most likely why they found nano-thermite in the debris, IT was most probably the explosive used in the demolition of the towers. They had to silence Steven Jones the best they could since he found hard evidence that it was indeed an inside job. He loses his job at BYU, while this nut Judy is still working and trying to sell a book now. They don't fear Judy, she is on their side anyway.
God is always good!
That is pretty strong evidence that those who attack Jones are the same people who are actively involved in the coverup, knowingly or not. No problemo. It's not a no-fun zone and I was busy elsewhere anyway. Btw, I'd like to buy a vowel, please -- in Gentile English. They're out of my price range in the Hebrew language, scarce as they are there. lol Just jesting. :) I think the best way to get back on topic is with a short review first of Jones' thermitic-ploy to impede and derail the 9/11 Truth Movement -- similar to his Cold Fusion intrigues mentioned in the opening video: 2. Jones wrote a paper in 2006 about molten metal that he had declared as such from photos. 3. Sometime after Jones wrote his paper in 2006, he says a woman contacted him and said she had scooped some dirt off of steel at a 9/11 Memorial site so that it didn't get rained on and saved it in a bucket -- might have been years after 9/11 when she did that (if she even actually did so); might not have been soil from the WTC at all and it might have been in the bucket for years before she sent it to him, getting degraded and compromised by contaminates. She could have scooped up some dust and debris from a welding-area floor and stirred that into the bucket too, for all anyone knows. 4. The dubious chain of evidence on the samples that "Los Alamos" Jones claims were sent to him from others are similarly outrageous and unreliable; and therefore likely to be dismissed as inadmissible in a court of law, unless the judge happens to be utterly corrupt. [Reference Post #1 and Post #3 at 2010 4um Title: "Evidence Refutes the Official 9-11 Investigation: The Scientific Forensic Facts"] 5. Evidently, Jones has been making a mockery of the 9/11 investigation and using his fans to help him detour it while the perps make their getaway. 6. Research his Cold Fusion manueverings and listen to Jones tell you himself in the video below what I've noted above (2nd and 3rd): 9/11: The Molten Metal "Evidence" That video is listed 1st in this YouTube Playlist on the subject 9/11 Thermite, the Official Conspiracy Theory? The opening video in this thread is listed 2nd of 7 archived there so far. Edited #5 in the above review-list. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I remember scoffing @ "the anonymous lady with the bucket of wtc scrap" years ago when i saw Jones speak at alex jones 2006 conference. Scientifically thats a deal breaker & not credible at all re: the chain of evidence.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
From Nano-thermite - Wiki You're hopping up and down saying that it HAD to be a "directed energy beam" that caused the collapses, while ignoring the fact that the DOD has been looking into nano-thermite since the 90's for use in EXPLOSIVES. I haven't been hopping up and down and you are misreading the situation. I'm of the opinion that Directed Energy Weaponry of some sort was probably used in demolishing the Towers and also caused the vehicle damages -- not necessarily from America's arsenal; perhaps from a foreign arsenal or that of some hostile force(s) warring against us, not likely Muslim/Arab nationalists or "Al Qaeda" but most probably are Zio-fanatic and Communistic, Globalist-idealogues, as the evidence widely indicates. Although it's very obvious that conventional controlled demolition cannot account for the WTC devastations on 9/11, I have said that they probably were used as backup and cover for unconventional demolition methods. Also, I haven't ruled out nukes of some sort yet; do suspect it was some combination of conventional and unconventional means -- otherwise, as I see it, the only other alternative is Media-staged Fakery. Your group staying stuck on thermitics that surely don't account for dustification and toasted cars is unrealistic, imo. So what if the DoD has been looking into nano-thermite since the 90's for use in explosives? It's their job to look into explosive things but that doesn't mean thermite is highly explosive or a superhigh-explosive in nano form because it isn't. My guess is that they've been looking into it as an incendiary for underwater explosives because it can still burn there. Nanothermite: If It Doesn’t Fit, You Must Acquit! - Veterans Today Edited for grammar. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Thanks for that input, Artisan. Hopefully, it will help others to start seeing through his schtick. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Collapse of the Thermite Thesis (with Addendum) And the same can be said of Jones’ thermite myth. Thermite is also a diversion, stalling and playing out the clock for the perps. Thermite is used in welding. It does not turn a building to powder in mid air. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Never did like that guy. I suspect he's one of them. which guy? Jones, or Jones? "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I meant Prof. Steven Jones.
Both. LOL _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Again, name me even ONE hypothetical directed energy weapon capable of bringing down the WTC towers. Don't tell me you can't tell me since it's classified, since you dismiss nano-thermite explosives just because the actual design info for such explosives isn't public knowledge. Keep posting half-truths. It's already clear that the military AND national laboratories have been developing nano-thermite explosives for quite some time prior to 9/11. AND, nano-thermite WAS found in the WTC debris. How'd it get there, elves perhaps? As far as turning a building to "powder", ANY controlled demolition would have done that if a top down series of explosions were coordinated with the actual collapse. Keep posting half-truths. It's already clear that the military AND national laboratories have been developing nano-thermite explosives for quite some time prior to 9/11. AND, nano-thermite WAS found in the WTC debris. How'd it get there, elves perhaps? As far as turning a building to "powder", ANY controlled demolition would have done that if a top down series of explosions were coordinated with the actual collapse. There's a photo of Ground Zero workers sitting in front of a beam that had been cut off with a cutting charge, probably in a clay or porcelain mold. The perfect slag melt with no splatters is proof that the vertical beam wasn't cut (after the collapse) with a wrecker's torch or lance. No, nano thermite is all the proof needed to swing the guilty from the gallows. We shouldn't confuse it with fairie dust after the fact.
And the same can be said of Jones’ thermite myth. Thermite is also a diversion, stalling and playing out the clock for the perps. Thermite is used in welding. It does not turn a building to powder in mid air. There's a great video where a guy fills a flower pot with thermite, sets it on a car engine and lights it. 10 or 15 seconds later the pot emerges from the bottom of the engine that it burned through. I've used thermite once, to weld a ground wire in an airport computer room to bond all of the elevated flooring metal to Earth. (elevated computer rooms allow for easy rewiring of equipment-and whoever spec'ed that thermite welded ground was naive, mechanical ground lugs are much better) It's not used too often for welding in any other construction field I'm aware of.
That's why there are those here who are actively dismissing the actual evidence, and are trying to confuse people with regular thermite rather than mentioning nano-thermite. I remember that. IIRC, it was cut about a 45 degree angle, no? NEVER heard of that. Sounds like it. I think the only welding use of thermite I've ever heard of is field welding railroad rails. Could be wrong about that. Why didn't the flower pot turn to dust? ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You: Again, name me even ONE hypothetical directed energy weapon capable of bringing down the WTC towers. Don't tell me you can't tell me since it's classified, since you dismiss nano-thermite explosives just because the actual design info for such explosives isn't public knowledge. No, you dismiss Directed Energy Weapons, even though some are public knowledge. I haven't dismissed nano-thermite because of some secret design. It doesn't account for the observed evidence. Since you've wildly claimed at Post #36 that ANY controlled demolition would have turned a building to powder if a top down series of explosions were coordinated with the actual collapse, thermite in whatever form wasn't even needed (except by Jones to detour investigations and have his comedic chain of "evidence" laughed out of a court at some point like a bad joke on his congregation). It wasn't even effective as a dramatic 9/11 light-show. In the Directed Energy discussion, you want to talk about thermite. In a thermite topic, you want to talk about Directed Energy weapons. This is the Directed Energy discussion where I've posted some material for consideration there: Edited for formatting. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Nanomanagement: The Disintegration of a Non-Profit Corporation (SC) By Michael Armenia Paperback, 246 Pages The collapse of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, the world’s foremost 9/11 truth group, as witnessed from its inner sanctum. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
That's why there are those here who are actively dismissing the actual evidence, and are trying to confuse people with regular thermite rather than mentioning nano-thermite. Correctamundo my friend.
I remember that. IIRC, it was cut about a 45 degree angle, no? Yes! and the slag was formed in a perfect outside bead with no splash over, (ceramic mold) and it would have been impossible (and entirely too dangerous, even with a crane sling spotting the beam to protect the worker from sudden death) to cut that box beam from the inside with a torch or a lance.
NEVER heard of that. Yes indeed my friend, it's called exothermic welding.
Why didn't the flower pot turn to dust? What emerged from the bottom was a sizzling bit of Hellfire like burning solid rocket fuel, and it was not possible to see what if anything remained of the flower pot.
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#9. To: Lod (#8)
I'm hoarding vowels.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#10. To: GreyLmist (#0)
#11. To: Esso (#6)
#12. To: Esso (#9)
#13. To: titorite (#7)
I still call chics "chics". Not every women takes offense to the term.
#14. To: Lod (#8)
I'm hoarding vowels.
#15. To: farmfriend (#13)
I don't care if you leave the toilet seat up either.
#16. To: titorite (#15)
I'm a sweetee. I wipe the seatee.
#17. To: GreyLmist (#0)
#18. To: GreyLmist (#0)
#19. To: Turtle, GreyLmist (#17)
I used to make thermite when I was a kid and anyone who thinks it was used in the WTC doesn't know anything about thermite.
#20. To: Shoonra (#18)
(Edited)
It's true that thermite, even the minute amounts that cling to processed steel, has explosive and combustible features. The remarkable thing is that these features were not known until after Sept 11th. In fact it was examination of the building debris that made that discovery possible.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#21. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#0)
Thermite does not turn steel to dust. Thermite does create a lot of flames.
A Nano-thermite or "super-thermite"[1] is a metastable intermolecular composite (MICs) characterized by a particle size of its main constituents, a metal and a metal oxide, under 100 Nanometers. This allows for high and customizable reaction rates. Nano-thermites contain an oxidizer and a reducing agent, which are intimately mixed on the nanometer scale. MICs, including nano-thermitic materials, are a type of reactive materials investigated for military use, as well as for general applications involving propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#22. To: FormerLurker (#20)
#23. To: Obnoxicated (#22)
Weapons grade, availlable only to the military and military connected. Much like the weapon grade anthrax unleashed after 9/11.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#24. To: FormerLurker (#23)
#25. To: RickyJ (#24)
They had to silence Steven Jones the best they could since he found hard evidence that it was indeed an inside job
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#26. To: Obnoxicated, All, , *9-11* (#10)
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Sorry about sidetracking your thread, Grey.
To get back on topic, this sounded like another misdirection play. None of them seem to know what caused their collapse, but they definately know what didn't.
1. Jones appeared as a hijacker of the Truth Movement in 2005 and proceeded to marginalize a number of pioneering researchers, then "synthesize" as his own platform the years of groundwork that had been established and compiled by them and many others prior to his Celebrity-guru casting.
Professor Steven Jones reveals the source of his "molten metal" evidence that he claims is proof that thermite was used to bring down the WTC. The entire video can be found at question911.com [links in the Description Section]
#27. To: GreyLmist (#26)
#28. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#21)
(Edited)
BTW, did you even know that nanothermite is used in EXPLOSIVES?
A Nano-thermite or "super-thermite"[1] is a metastable intermolecular composite (MICs) characterized by a particle size of its main constituents, a metal and a metal oxide, under 100 Nanometers. This allows for high and customizable reaction rates. Nano-thermites contain an oxidizer and a reducing agent, which are intimately mixed on the nanometer scale. MICs, including nano-thermitic materials, are a type of reactive materials investigated for military use, as well as for general applications involving propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics.
just to be safe, perhaps – 9/11 nanothermite advocates also maintain the fall-back position that, even if nanothermite by itself is not a high explosive, when combined with an organic substance (also asserted to not be itself a high explosive), a high-explosive is created. To that T. Mark Hightower responds: “There is only one sure way to make nanothermite a high explosive. If you combine enough high explosives with nanothermite, you can get a mixture that is a high explosive. But the same can be said for my breakfast cereal.”
#29. To: Artisan (#27)
I remember scoffing @ "the anonymous lady with the bucket of wtc scrap" years ago when i saw Jones speak at alex jones 2006 conference. Scientifically thats a deal breaker & not credible at all re: the chain of evidence.
#30. To: RickyJ (#24)
He loses his job at BYU
Shortly after he learned that Dr. Wood lost her job and became unemployed, Jones announced he had been “forced out” of his job and diverted attention onto his claims of persecution, playing the victim card again. It became known that Jones had moved to a new residence, then a few months later retired and was promoted to Professor Emeritus, the highest level of achievement for a professor. Someone fired from his job is not promoted. Jones did not go without an income. So, if Jones was not fired but promoted, why has he played the martyr? The timing and focus strongly suggest it was a useful diversion. But no matter the motive, the conclusion is that Jones is dishonest.
#31. To: GreyLmist, Artisan (#29)
Hopefully, it will help others to start seeing through his (Jones') schtick.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#32. To: wudidiz (#31)
Never did like that guy. I suspect he's one of them.
#33. To: Artisan (#32)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#34. To: Artisan (#32)
which guy? Jones, or Jones?
#35. To: GreyLmist (#28)
So what if the DoD has been looking into nano-thermite since the 90's for use in explosives?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#36. To: GreyLmist (#30)
Thermite is used in welding. It does not turn a building to powder in mid air.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#37. To: FormerLurker, GreyLmist (#36)
Thermite is used in welding. It does not turn a building to powder in mid air.
#38. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker, RickyJ (#30)
Shortly after he learned that Dr. Wood lost her job and became unemployed, Jones announced he had been “forced out” of his job and diverted attention onto his claims of persecution, playing the victim card again. It became known that Jones had moved to a new residence, then a few months later retired and was promoted to Professor Emeritus, the highest level of achievement for a professor. Someone fired from his job is not promoted. Jones did not go without an income. So, if Jones was not fired but promoted, why has he played the martyr? The timing and focus strongly suggest it was a useful diversion. But no matter the motive, the conclusion is that Jones is dishonest.
#39. To: HOUNDDAWG (#37)
No, nano thermite is all the proof needed to swing the guilty from the gallows.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: HOUNDDAWG (#37)
There's a photo of Ground Zero workers sitting in front of a beam that had been cut off with a cutting charge...
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#41. To: HOUNDDAWG (#38)
I've used thermite once, to weld a ground wire...
...whoever spec'ed that thermite welded ground was naive...
[Thermite]'s not used too often for welding in any other construction field I'm aware of.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#42. To: HOUNDDAWG (#38)
There's a great video where a guy fills a flower pot with thermite, sets it on a car engine and lights it. 10 or 15 seconds later the pot emerges from the bottom of the engine that it burned through.
#43. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#35)
(Edited)
Me: So what if the DoD has been looking into nano- thermite since the 90's for use in explosives?
4um Title: 911 What Happened - Not How It Happened - Dr Judy Wood - Post #76
#44. To: All, *9-11* (#30)
Collapse of the Thermite Thesis (with Addendum)
#45. To: FormerLurker (#39)
No, nano thermite is all the proof needed to swing the guilty from the gallows.
#46. To: Esso (#40)
photo of Ground Zero workers sitting in front of a beam that had been cut off with a cutting charge...
#47. To: Esso (#41)
I've used thermite once, to weld a ground wire...
#48. To: GreyLmist (#42)
There's a great video where a guy fills a flower pot with thermite, sets it on a car engine and lights it. 10 or 15 seconds later the pot emerges from the bottom of the engine that it burned through.
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