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Title: 911 and Thermite, The official Conspiracy Theory?
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=505uzsWbC30
Published: May 9, 2011
Author: 108morris108
Post Date: 2012-11-23 15:54:13 by GreyLmist
Keywords: 9/11, Andrew Johnson, Steven Jones, Thermites Theory
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Comments: 67
From the Description Section: Thermite does not turn steel to dust. Thermite does create a lot of flames. Each tower weighed 500,000 tons, no-one has seen anything like the quantity of flames that thermite would have created. Many more anomalies too. Burned out vehicles alongside unburnt paper (a lot of it) left intact. [sic] Thermite is simply Aluminium and Iron Oxide, two substances which were in great quantity in the Towers. Poster Comment: Jones' Thermite Theory evidently not published as peer reviewed.
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#50. To: GreyLmist (#0)
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This guy says you don't need evidence, you just need observation.....sheesh, where did he get his science degree? Say what you like about Jones, but his THEORY is based on evidence at the site: For example: If this guy is to be taken seriously, he needs an ALTERNATE THEORY explaining the evidence presented, not his opinion and observations that IGNORE the central evidence presented in the initial theory. Jones doesn't insist that others accept his THEORY, after all it is merely a THEORY based on the evidence found........but if you want to call bullshit on the THEORY, then offer an acceptable alternative for the evidence presented, such as how does the "energy beam" create molten steal and leave the same chemical compounds as nano termite? How does the "energy beam" theory create the holes in the steal? How does the energy beam create sulfidation? What physical evidence is presented to merit the "energy beam" THEORY...is there a serious scientific theory presented regarding energy beams? Also, does one theory actually discount the other? Is it possible that two theories have merit? Science has many theories that are compatible........
What evidence at the site? His interpretations of photos? Judy Wood has an entire book of that. Jones' supposed "chain of dust and soil evidence" appeared years after 9/11 -- after he wrote his 2006 paper. It is highly suspect and should be declared inadmissable in a court of law. Yes, it is possible that more than one theory has merit but his doesn't, imo. Even he has claimed that thermite/thermate may have been used simply as an incendiary-ignition for more powerful explosives and not to demolish the buildings but even that much about the matter is speculative on his part. Without even referencing Judy Wood, there are news reports and photos of the WTC destruction that indicates much more was involved than thermitics and that's not hypothetical, according to what's been shown. It is actually Jones, Architects and Engineers, et al, who have been arguing an alternate and unscientifically based theory. Reference the discussions at this linked site, where it's critiqued as "pyrotechnic pixie dust". In summary, what Jones and other "authority figures" called "evidence" -- unreacted thermitics -- disproves that it brought down the buildings at all and should be viewed with more skepticism as disinfo than it has been: Comment: "What does that statement really mean? 'Unreacted'… is that kinda like finding a few unfired bullets around a dead body and then claiming that proves [someone] was shot? That is why the law states that finding residual traces of EXPLODED conventional explosives proves demolition… finding unreacted thermite doesn’t PROVE thermite brought the towers down. In fact all it really proves is the 'hundreds and hundreds of tons' of this stuff that Harrit ALSO mentioned in that last video… DID NOT bring down the towers… because it didn’t go off." Another reference for consideration: This is Google's cache of http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx? transcriptid=674. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Nov 22, 2012 20:37:13 GMT: U.S. Department of Defense Cohen's keynote address at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy at the Georgia Center, Mahler Auditorium, University of Georgia, Athens, Ga. The event is part of the Sam Nunn Policy Forum being hosted by the University of Georgia. Secretary Cohen is joined by Sen. Sam Nunn and Sen. Richard G. Lugar. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, Edited to correct first link path and for punctuation. Bracketed inserts by me in the excerpts from that link. Edit to note the online book source where the defense.gov info was first read by me: Finding the Truth.pdf - CheckTheEvidence.com; by Andrew Johnson, the speaker in the opening video of this thread.
No Thermite on 9/11?! | Explosives Do NOT Explain the Evidence!
#55. To: GreyLmist (#54)
Did you even watch your video? He doesn't dispute that nanothermite was found, he disputes the use. He spends most of the video attacking the publishing and in that last few seconds claims he "doesn't deal with the content of the paper"....publishing claims do not discount CONTENT. Even the title of this video is dishonest: begging the question is a common propaganda technique used when the real questions are avoided.
A retitled mirroring of a video that was censored by YouTube: No Thermite on 9-11! Explosives Do NOT Explain the Evidence! [Ref. Post #54] A correctly titled mirror-copy of the video that was removed by YouTube: The Thermite Conspiracy (mirror) Additional videos on the subjects from the Playlist posted at #26: The thermite conspiracy - flagged My previous video, "The thermite conspiracy" was removed by youtube about 2 hours after it had been posted. No explanation was offered by youtube as to why this video was removed. All the material I used in the video was readily available on the internet. I can only speculate as to why the video was flagged. [Continues at the site. Alternate link provided for the removed video: http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=4d77967b07dff9acab1eab3e9fa335ca2b143a4d899a752c] The termite conspiracy - Part 2 ["termite" not a misspelling. Ref. 3:25-4:43] It appears that there some people who still do not understand what is being said by the authors of the paper. The authors assert that a thermitic material was used in the controlled demolition of the towers. In support of this claim they rely on, what they say is, unreacted thermite material found in the debris. They offer no explanation as to how or why "un-reacted" thermite material would be in the rubble. Nor do they make any assessment of the quantity of thermite material used in the demolition. As I hope is clear from this video, given the proportions in the one sample that they did weigh, the amount of un-reacted thermite is massive. Assuming that a proportion of the thermite material did ignite/explode then the total amount of thermite material in the towers prior to their collapse increases yet again - by what factor? The authors also fail to explain how the thermite was used. Their argument is simply this - we found thermite; it should not have been there - you explain it. [Continues at the site.]
Of course the pea brain will not deal with the content of the paper, his job is to discredit it, the content can't be discredited or it already would have been. It was military grade nano-thermite that was used to cut the beams at critical points in the structure and explosives used to turn the concrete to dust for the Hollywood effect they work looking for. Oh, and if you don't think it was possible in 2001 for a thermite technology to turn concrete to dust, think again!
Ref. 0:11 seconds mark of the video at Post #54: Frank M. Legge listed 5th of 9 co-authors (including Steven E. Jones, Niels H. Harrit and Kevin R. Ryan) on the dubious Thermite paper. Ref. mp3 posted Sat, 5 February 2011 of Dr Frank Legge on Visibility 9-11: Mounting Evidence Shows Boeing 757-200 Impact with Pentagon Probable -- Legge promoting the official 9/11 spin about the Pentagon; discusses the paper doing so that he co-authored with Warren Stutt. Ref. pilotsfor911truth.org Sep 26 2009: New Legge Paper Continues Dishonest Attack On Pilots For 9/11 Truth, ... Ref. pilotsfor911truth.org Jan 11 2011: Legge's "addendum" Fallacies, Frank's at it again.. Ref. pilotsfor911truth.org Jan 25 2011: A Response To Frank Legge And Warren Stutt, P4T rebuttal to Legge/Stutt "Paper" and "Rebuttal" Ref. beforeitsnews.com Tuesday, July 17, 2012: More absurd arguments on the Pentagon: ‘propaganda team’ sets its sights on Griffin
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Steven Jones, PhD physicist discovers previously molten iron spheres in the WTC dust which blanketed lower Manhattan. Sizes are up to 1/16" diameter. The findings are corroborated by EPA but not explained. Molten iron is the byproduct of Thermite. It contains the chemical signature of thermate. 
hysics professor Steven Jones finds, in this previously molten sample from the WTC, the chemical traces of Thermate — including Fluorine, Manganese, Sulphur, Potassium, etc. 
The FEMA report notes: "The results of the examination are striking. They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese.... Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation." NIST dropped this like a hot potato. These are all tell tell signs of the use of thermate (sulphur + thermite) incendiary cutter charges." 
Previously molten metal was found "flowing like lava" by the FDNY in the basements of all 3 WTC High-rises. Hydrocarbon fires can burn at a maximum temperature of 1,800°F which is about 1,000° short of the beginning melting temperature of steel. Where did the molten metal come from? Why do FEMA and NIST deny its existence?
#53. To: abraxas, *9-11* (#50)
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Say what you like about Jones, but his THEORY is based on evidence at the site
Niels Harrit [a co-author with Jones]: “You cannot fudge this kind of science. We have found it: unreacted thermite.”
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs)
News Transcript
Presenter: Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen
April 28, 1997 8:45 AM EDT
Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
#54. To: All, *9-11* (#53)
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#59. To: GreyLmist (#54)
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#66. To: All, *9-11* (#54)
The group I described in my recent post, ‘Propaganda team’ uses contrived Pentagon fight to derail 9/11 Truth movement (Kevin Ryan, David Chandler, Frank Legge, Jonathan Cole, Jim Hoffman, John Bursill, and others) can’t stand the fact that David Ray Griffin continues to stand fast in his position that no 757 ever hit the Pentagon.
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