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Title: Vatican Official Refutes Intelligent Design
Source: Yahoo News
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051118/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_evolution
Published: Nov 18, 2005
Author: Nicole Winfield
Post Date: 2005-11-18 16:58:22 by Zipporah
Keywords: Intelligent, Official, Vatican
Views: 1003
Comments: 66

VATICAN CITY - The Vatican's chief astronomer said Friday that "intelligent design" isn't science and doesn't belong in science classrooms, the latest high-ranking Roman Catholic official to enter the evolution debate in the United States.

The Rev. George Coyne, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, said placing intelligent design theory alongside that of evolution in school programs was "wrong" and was akin to mixing apples with oranges.

"Intelligent design isn't science even though it pretends to be," the ANSA news agency quoted Coyne as saying on the sidelines of a conference in Florence. "If you want to teach it in schools, intelligent design should be taught when religion or cultural history is taught, not science."

His comments were in line with his previous statements on "intelligent design" — whose supporters hold that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.

Proponents of intelligent design are seeking to get public schools in the United States to teach it as part of the science curriculum. Critics say intelligent design is merely creationism — a literal reading of the Bible's story of creation — camouflaged in scientific language, and they say it does not belong in science curriculum.

In a June article in the British Catholic magazine The Tablet, Coyne reaffirmed God's role in creation, but said science explains the history of the universe.

"If they respect the results of modern science, and indeed the best of modern biblical research, religious believers must move away from the notion of a dictator God or a designer God, a Newtonian God who made the universe as a watch that ticks along regularly."

Rather, he argued, God should be seen more as an encouraging parent.

"God in his infinite freedom continuously creates a world that reflects that freedom at all levels of the evolutionary process to greater and greater complexity," he wrote. "He is not continually intervening, but rather allows, participates, loves."

The Vatican Observatory, which Coyne heads, is one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world. It is based in the papal summer residence at Castel Gandolfo south of Rome.

Last week, Pope Benedict XVI waded indirectly into the evolution debate by saying the universe was made by an "intelligent project" and criticizing those who in the name of science say its creation was without direction or order.

Questions about the Vatican's position on evolution were raised in July by Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn.

In a New York Times column, Schoenborn seemed to back intelligent design and dismissed a 1996 statement by Pope John Paul II that evolution was "more than just a hypothesis." Schoenborn said the late pope's statement was "rather vague and unimportant."

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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)

Intelligent design and creationism aren't the same thing for starters. I know the catholic church would deny creationism as well. This is a church that changed the 10 commandments. This is a church that has graven images as part of its worship. This is a church where its leader the pope sits on a thrown like he is some kind of god. The catholic church is not the same as Bible believing christians.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   17:02:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#1)

The catholic church is not the same as Bible believing christians.

Excuse me? Read a Catechism lately?

The Catholic Church is the Church that gave so-called Bible Believing Christians the Bible in the first place. Or rather, they stole it and forgot to thank Rome for such a grand gift.

Luther simply saw fit to edit it to fit their whims.

So-called Bible-Believing Christians need to brush up on their history because they don't seem to know any of it.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-18   17:23:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mirage (#3)

Excuse me? Read a Catechism lately?

The Catholic Church is the Church that gave so-called Bible Believing Christians the Bible in the first place. Or rather, they stole it and forgot to thank Rome for such a grand gift.

Luther simply saw fit to edit it to fit their whims.

So-called Bible-Believing Christians need to brush up on their history because they don't seem to know any of it.

See above post.

Also the catholics pray to mary, which is forbidden. The catholics have perverted scripture.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   17:25:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Also the catholics pray to mary, which is forbidden. The catholics have perverted scripture.

Wrong answer. Look up the Communion of Saints. There is nothing forbidden about asking someone to pray for you, which is all that praying to Mary is for. If asking someone to pray for you is forbidden, then every church in the world has a problem.

Check this link for details. If it was good enough for St. Paul, its good enough for the rest of us, and that makes it quite Biblical, thank you.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-18   17:57:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: mirage (#15)

Wrong answer. Look up the Communion of Saints. There is nothing forbidden about asking someone to pray for you, which is all that praying to Mary is for. If asking someone to pray for you is forbidden, then every church in the world has a problem.

First everyone that is saved is a saint. They are not asking for someone to pray for them. They are praying to the dead. Mary isn't a god.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   18:01:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)

First everyone that is saved is a saint. They are not asking for someone to pray for them. They are praying to the dead. Mary isn't a god.

You obviously don't know anything about Catholicism other than some propoganda that some uneducated person gave you.

Catholics don't pray to Mary as they would to God. They ask Mary to pray for them, to intercede for them. Its the same as asking your neighbor to pray for you.

Take it from someone who has been "with it" since he was born: That's how it works and wherever you're getting your information from needs a refresher course in how things *actually* are.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-18   18:05:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: mirage (#17)

Catholics don't pray to Mary as they would to God.

Your sentence is saying that they do pray to mary, just in a different fashion. Praying to the dead. Cultish.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   18:10:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#19)

Your sentence is saying that they do pray to mary, just in a different fashion. Praying to the dead. Cultish.

Whatever you want to think. One can equally make a "cultish" comment about people who don't want to look into how things actually work, but throwing insults will get us nowhere.

The fact is, they ask Mary to pray for them. That's how it works. It is no different than asking your neighbor to pray for you. St. Paul set the example. Check your Bible for details, since you value what it has to say.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-18   18:12:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: mirage (#20)

The fact is, they ask Mary to pray for them. That's how it works. It is no different than asking your neighbor to pray for you. St. Paul set the example. Check your Bible for details, since you value what it has to say.

So praying to a dead person is no different then asking your neighbor to pray for you. I can't believe you actually believe that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   18:28:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#25. To: A K A Stone (#22)

So praying to a dead person is no different then asking your neighbor to pray for you.

If, as the Bible says, the saints are with you always, what's the difference unless you don't trust what the Bible has to say :)

mirage  posted on  2005-11-18 18:29:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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