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Title: Vatican Official Refutes Intelligent Design
Source: Yahoo News
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051118/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_evolution
Published: Nov 18, 2005
Author: Nicole Winfield
Post Date: 2005-11-18 16:58:22 by Zipporah
Keywords: Intelligent, Official, Vatican
Views: 1032
Comments: 66

VATICAN CITY - The Vatican's chief astronomer said Friday that "intelligent design" isn't science and doesn't belong in science classrooms, the latest high-ranking Roman Catholic official to enter the evolution debate in the United States.

The Rev. George Coyne, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, said placing intelligent design theory alongside that of evolution in school programs was "wrong" and was akin to mixing apples with oranges.

"Intelligent design isn't science even though it pretends to be," the ANSA news agency quoted Coyne as saying on the sidelines of a conference in Florence. "If you want to teach it in schools, intelligent design should be taught when religion or cultural history is taught, not science."

His comments were in line with his previous statements on "intelligent design" — whose supporters hold that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.

Proponents of intelligent design are seeking to get public schools in the United States to teach it as part of the science curriculum. Critics say intelligent design is merely creationism — a literal reading of the Bible's story of creation — camouflaged in scientific language, and they say it does not belong in science curriculum.

In a June article in the British Catholic magazine The Tablet, Coyne reaffirmed God's role in creation, but said science explains the history of the universe.

"If they respect the results of modern science, and indeed the best of modern biblical research, religious believers must move away from the notion of a dictator God or a designer God, a Newtonian God who made the universe as a watch that ticks along regularly."

Rather, he argued, God should be seen more as an encouraging parent.

"God in his infinite freedom continuously creates a world that reflects that freedom at all levels of the evolutionary process to greater and greater complexity," he wrote. "He is not continually intervening, but rather allows, participates, loves."

The Vatican Observatory, which Coyne heads, is one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world. It is based in the papal summer residence at Castel Gandolfo south of Rome.

Last week, Pope Benedict XVI waded indirectly into the evolution debate by saying the universe was made by an "intelligent project" and criticizing those who in the name of science say its creation was without direction or order.

Questions about the Vatican's position on evolution were raised in July by Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn.

In a New York Times column, Schoenborn seemed to back intelligent design and dismissed a 1996 statement by Pope John Paul II that evolution was "more than just a hypothesis." Schoenborn said the late pope's statement was "rather vague and unimportant."

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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)

Intelligent design and creationism aren't the same thing for starters. I know the catholic church would deny creationism as well. This is a church that changed the 10 commandments. This is a church that has graven images as part of its worship. This is a church where its leader the pope sits on a thrown like he is some kind of god. The catholic church is not the same as Bible believing christians.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   17:02:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Intelligent design and creationism aren't the same thing for starters. I know the catholic church would deny creationism as well. This is a church that changed the 10 commandments. This is a church that has graven images as part of its worship. This is a church where its leader the pope sits on a thrown like he is some kind of god. The catholic church is not the same as Bible believing christians.

I didnt say it was.. and 2ndly how did the Catholic church change the 10 commandments?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-18   17:18:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Zipporah (#2)

The catholics took out the part about graven images. Suits them since they use graven images. They also broke one of the other commandments into two parts, i forget which one.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   17:24:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#4)

The catholics took out the part about graven images. Suits them since they use graven images. They also broke one of the other commandments into two parts, i forget which one.

I dont think they took it out.. They dont see the use of statues as graven images.. but rather as symbols of Godly things.. just as the Greek or Russian Orthodox church does.. now individuals may see it differently..

St. Thomas Aquinas:

'[The holy Synod commands] that images of Christ, the Virgin Mother of God, and other saints are to be held and kept especially in churches, that due honor and reverence (debitum honorem et venerationem) are to be paid to them, not that any divinity or power is thought to be in them for the sake of which they may be worshipped, or that anything can be asked of them, or that any trust may be put in images, as was done by the heathen who put their trust in their idols, but because the honor shown to them is referred to the prototypes which they represent... [W]e adore Christ and honor the saints whose likeness they bear... (Denzinger, no. 986).'" Veneration of Images. (Emphasis added.)

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-18   17:32:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Zipporah (#6)

'[The holy Synod commands]

What the hell is the "holy synod" its not the bible. Further proof the catholic church isn't a christian church. They made up their own rules that they say supercede the bible.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   17:37:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#9)

I never claimed it was.. the Holy Synod was more or a less a meeting to discuss religious issues.. and I posted what was said about statues etc.. that they aren't worshiped by Roman Catholics.. basically what is said repudiates that belief.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-18   17:41:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Zipporah (#11)

that they aren't worshiped by Roman Catholics.. basically what is said repudiates that belief.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

I disagree with that statement that they aren't worshipped by catholics. Not sure if it was your opinion or you were just stating what the catholics point was.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-18   17:48:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#12)

I disagree with that statement that they aren't worshipped by catholics. Not sure if it was your opinion or you were just stating what the catholics point was.

What Im saying is.. that officially Roman Catholics do not view statues and paintings etc as having any power or any diety.. just as Christians have crosses in churches.. they are a representation.. BUT there are some Roman Catholics that on an individual basis that DO go beyond that.. basically that is what Im saying.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-18   17:50:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Zipporah (#13)

What Im saying is.. that officially Roman Catholics do not view statues and paintings etc as having any power or any diety.. just as Christians have crosses in churches..

So you're saying you don't consider Catholics to be Christians? Wow, and all these idiots in the real world think intolerence was invented by Saddam...

Go to Denmark, you Melvins hater!

Dakmar  posted on  2005-11-18   19:08:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#65. To: Dakmar, Zipporah (#35)

So you're saying you don't consider Catholics to be Christians? Wow, and all these idiots in the real world think intolerence was invented by Saddam...

After reading EWTN's history expert making excuses for burning heretics at the stake, your comment is really funny. But being an ex-catholic, it's also sad because I know Catholics who think the inquisition was justified.

The benefits of burning heretics at the stake

mennyiben  posted on  2005-11-19 11:30:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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