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Title: OUTRAGE OVER MORSI BUT NOT OVER OUR DICTATOR
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://fff.org/2012/11/27/outrage-o ... rsi-but-not-over-our-dictator/
Published: Nov 28, 2012
Author: Jacob G. Hornberger
Post Date: 2012-11-28 15:25:42 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 215
Comments: 9

It is so amusing to see mainstream commentators condemning Egypt’s president, Mohamed Morsi, for assuming dictatorial powers. Their critiques are well-taken, as I observed in my blog post of yesterday, “Morsi’s Democratic Dictatorship.” But what’s amusing about the mainstreamers is how they can so quickly identify and condemn dictatorial conduct on the part of foreign rulers but maintain an absolutely obsequious blind spot when it comes to the dictatorial actions by their own ruler.

Recall President Bush’s assumption of dictatorial powers after the 9/11 attacks. Those powers included the authority to arrest Americans without warrants, cart them away to concentration camps or military dungeons as suspected terrorists, torture them, keep them incarcerated for life without trial, and even execute them, perhaps after some sort of kangaroo military tribunal.

Of course, in post-9/11 America the president himself wouldn’t personally be doing those things. That’s what the U.S. military and the CIA are for — to enforce the post-9/11 order in the United States.

Americans were able to gain a glimpse into how things now operated with the Pentagon’s treatment of American citizen Jose Padilla. The military took control of Padilla, tortured him, and claimed the authority to hold him for life without trial. What they did to Padilla, they could now do to all Americans.

Of course, Bush’s extraordinary powers were not limited to Americans. They also extended to foreigners. In post-9/11 America, the military and the CIA now had the authority to kidnap anyone anywhere in the world as a suspected terrorist, rendition him to a friendly dictatorial foreign regime for torture and incarceration, or incarcerate the suspect in some overseas concentration camp or prison facility, such as Bagram, Guantanamo, or the secret one in Poland.

What did the mainstream editorial writers and commentators say about Bush’s extraordinary power grab? Unlike their immediate condemnation of Morsi’s unilateral assumption of dictatorial powers, the American mainstream press bought into Bush’s justifications for the assumption of dictatorial powers without one iota of hesitation. Without a hint of criticism or critique, they submissively accepted Bush’s rationale that America was now at “war” with the terrorists and that he, as commander in chief of the nation, now automatically wielded those extraordinary emergency powers.

In fact, the dictatorial powers assumed by Bush were precisely the same as the dictatorial powers that had been wielded by pro-U.S. Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak, whom the U.S. government had long supported and partnered with.

More revealing, it is precisely those powers — the powers to take citizens into custody as suspected terrorists, incarcerate and torture them, and even execute them — that went to the heart of the Mubarak dictatorship. It is those powers — the same types of powers wielded by Bush (and, later Obama), the military, and the CIA — that the Egyptian citizenry were demanding that Mubarak and his military and intelligence forces relinquish.

But while Mubarak was ousted from power, the Egyptian military has steadfastly refused to relinquish those extraordinary, temporary, 30-year-old dictatorial powers, just as Bush, Obama, the U.S. military and the CIA have refused to relinquish their powers despite the passage of 11 years since 9/11. Their common rationale? The “war on terrorism” and “national security.”

Both Bush and Mubarak used an “emergency” to justify their assumption of dictatorial powers. Mubarak’s “emergency” was the terrorist assassination of his predecessor, Anwar Sadat. Bush’s “emergency” was the 9/11 terrorist attacks. There was one big difference, however, between how they acquired their dictatorial powers. Mubarak acquired his powers through legislative action. Bush acquired his powers simply through decree, as Morsi just did.

As the war on terrorism evolved, Bush expanded his dictatorial powers to include assassination of foreigners and Americans, a power that Obama has enthusiastically endorsed and expanded. Here we find the ultimate in dictatorial powers — the power of a ruler to kill anyone he wants, including his own citizens, for whatever reason he wants and never ever have to account for it.

Consider, for example, Obama’s killing of the American teenage son of American Anwar al-Awlaki, whom Obama and his forces also assassinated. Forget the presumption of innocence, due process of law, and trial by jury. Presumably they took out the boy simply because he was the son of an accused terrorist whom they had killed and, therefore, a person who might later try to see revenge for the killing of his father.

But what’s important to note is that Obama, the Pentagon, and the CIA don’t have to answer to anyone for the boy’s killing or explain their reasons to anyone for why they did it. Why, they don’t even have to acknowledge that they took out the boy. Keep in mind that what they did to that teenager, they can now do to any American anywhere in the world.

How can powers be more dictatorial than that? Yet, the mainstream press, while expressing shock and outrage over Morsi’s assumption of dictatorial powers, just nonchalantly and subserviently accepts the assumption and exercise of dictatorial powers by the U.S. president, the Pentagon, and the CIA.

What’s the solution to the dictatorial system under which we now live? How about an amendment to the Constitution that reads as follows:

The federal government shall not deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, and every person accused of a crime shall be accorded the rights of trial by jury, the presumption of innocence, and the right to confront witnesses, and no cruel and unusual punishments shall be inflicted on anyone, and this time we, the American people, really do mean it.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Some context is missing here.

As soon as Morsi was elected, the Mubarak-loyal military and the Mubarak-loyal judges issued decrees/decisions that dissolved Egypt's newly-elected parliament and the constitutional commission. They also took away whatever power pre president had prior to his election.

Morsi is simply playing by their rules and he's a tough guy. The left over Mubarak-loyal judges and prosecutors refuse to prosecute anyone from the old regime for murdering and torturing Egyptians and they do everything they can to delegitimize the parliament that the people elected and the constitutional commission. What Morsi did was saying 'enough', you M-F'ers. We are going to have a constitution and you are not going to be able to dissolve the new parliament and, while at it, if some of you happened to be murderers or torturers, you are NOT going to get away with it because I'm going to get rid of the prosecutors and judges that keep you safe.

Compare this with the 'transitions' between our 2 political mafias. Exactly how many Bush-era torturers and murderers did O'Bomba prosecute once he took power? Exactly zero. He said that we were going to 'look forward' rather that worry about the past. Then he simply continued on the same path that DoubleCrap (sorry DoubleYou used to walk: protecting and serving... Israel?)

Morsi, on the other hand says: okay, I'm going to do this for the next few months until we have a new constitution because the Mubarak-loyal monsters still in office are not going to let us have it just because we say 'pretty please'.

Aragorn  posted on  2012-11-28   15:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

What’s the solution to the dictatorial system under which we now live?

The founders had the answer for less tyranny than we live under today.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-11-28   15:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: James Deffenbach (#2)

Bring Kotex - it could get bloody.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-11-28   17:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Lod (#3)

LOL! Indeed it could--and will if we are to ever be free again.

Let me give you a word of the philosophy of reform. The whole history of the progress of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her august claims have been born of earnest struggle. The conflict has been exciting, agitating, all-absorbing, and for the time being, putting all other tumults to silence. It must do this or it does nothing. If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters.

This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress...."

Frederic Douglas If There Is No Struggle, There Is No Progress

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-11-28   17:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: James Deffenbach (#4)

Great quote, I'd never seen that before. Imagine the outrageous stories we'd be hearing about that guy on The View were he running for office today.

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-11-28   17:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: James Deffenbach (#4)

What a great quote, that I'd never read.

Thanks!

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-11-28   18:00:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Dakmar (#5)

Great quote, I'd never seen that before. Imagine the outrageous stories we'd be hearing about that guy on The View were he running for office today.

Well, they might not talk too bad about him since he was black but with that crowd who really knows? The people on that stupid show would have probably been squarely on the side of King George III and against the colonists who wanted to be free of his rule. Apparently though it doesn't bother them when Obama has claimed the authority to murder American citizens with no due process at all. We call people like that hypocrites around these parts.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-11-28   18:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Lod (#6)

What a great quote, that I'd never read.

Thanks!

You're welcome, Lod.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-11-28   18:58:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: James Deffenbach (#7)

The people on that stupid show would have probably been squarely on the side of King George III and against the colonists who wanted to be free of his rule.

The king has made grapes grow the size of ... ?

Yeah, I'm familiar with these people.

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-11-28   19:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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